Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748151)

I would be interested to know if there's anyone on here who doesn't think that England will eventually become a Muslim State in a few generations time???


Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 748153)

Me for starters unless there is a middle east invasion of our shores. In this country you are free to worship whatever religion you want Hell even the financial sector worships money. To stop anyone from practising there own religion will start us on the road to being a dictatorial not democratic state.

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748160)

Surely the fact that most Muslim Families are larger than most of what we would class as indigenous families will mean that eventually at some point in time Muslims will become the largest body of people, and therefore dominant.

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 748129)

[/b]Britain nor England are muslim states

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 748172)

Yes they bloody well are, due to knobs like you who just accept multiculterism without even questioning it.:mad:

Originally Posted by tichno1 (Post 748165)

I see my post has been got at by a racist

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 748163)

If the families become too large they outstrip there means and will become smaller. Pure economics will see to that.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 748175)

so you say England is a muslim state... grow up you ******!

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 748182)

And you just close your eyes and pretend everything's great, wake up knob.:mad:

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748181)

It wont be ecconomics that dictate which group becomes smaller though will it! As the influence of one group grows and dominates, then the influence of others shrink and diminish! If in the long run there are, percentage wise per family, more Muslim births than Christian Births, then eventually at some point, England will become Muslim dominant, wont it!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 748185)

I ain't blind and I know things ain't great when we've got tosspots like you..bods who call themselves English but spend all day slagging off this country...why don't you just leave England and move to Liverpool?

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 748195)

It has always been that way throughout history though. It is easy to have a go at minorities but since the invasion by Romans and those that came before and after we have grown because we embraced what they brought eventually. So in a way we have been multicultural for thousands of years and will be for thousands more. We invaded other countries and made bargins gentlemans agreements and promises. These have been being collected for many years and will continue to be. If there is one thing we have learned is that without diversity then we will fall. To embrace change is good it just takes time if we dont then we could end up like Hitlers Germany.

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 748197)

Ah but scouseville is part of England. or is it that you believe that only the home counties are England and the rest a back water and heathen and has such has to be ignored?

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748199)

I'm not having a go at Minorities, not at all, i'm just asking the question about if and when, in peoples opinions Muslims will become the majority, because in my opnion it will happen one day...however far away that day is!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 748201)

not at all... I only exclude Liverpool. ;)

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748199)

I'm not having a go at Minorities, not at all, i'm just asking the question about if and when, in peoples opinions Muslims will become the majority, because in my opnion it will happen one day...however far away that day is!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 748210)

anything is possible...but you base your theory on basic growth in the muslim population..if it were as simple as that then we would already be an Irish catholic state or Jewish... I just don't believe it will happen....more likely to be over run by the ever growing popoulation of paranoind right wing facists that have the cheek to call themselves British.

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 748258)

So if they stopped immigration then where would they go? There are genuine cases of refugee Muslims looking for a better life and to deny them that life would be an unchristian thing to do. They arrive here to be free from what ever tyranny they faced and to earn a living not to see what they can get off the Gov. I am not saying that they all see us as a cash cow but a minority do. The way I look at it is that they have a right to live as they choose its a free country. A minority of bad apples have helped make them insular as we have labeled them the same as the aformentioned bad apples. As side question "were do you get any odds n ends or your alcohol if you run out at christmas and new year?

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748199)

I'm not having a go at Minorities, not at all, i'm just asking the question about if and when, in peoples opinions Muslims will become the majority, because in my opnion it will happen one day...however far away that day is!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 748258)

So if they stopped immigration then where would they go? There are genuine cases of refugee Muslims looking for a better life and to deny them that life would be an unchristian thing to do. They arrive here to be free from what ever tyranny they faced

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 748266)

I'm sorry but the vast majority of immigrants to this country are not facing any form of Tyranny, they are purely coming for a better life than exists in their own Countries. I'm not saying immigration should be stopped, but that there should be strict criteria governing it!

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 748277)

I agree 100%. We should follow similar rules that the Australians use and only allow people into this Country that we need.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 748278)

same in canada, it should be what they can offer the country.NOT what the country offers them. are people numb or what?:confused:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 748276)

I am not Christian so I don't need to do the Christian thing.

Why don't they stay and stand up to the tyranny they oppose instead of running away and expect our boys to go over and die opposing it for them?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 748276)

Why don't they stay and stand up to the tyranny they oppose instead of running away and expect our boys to go over and die opposing it for them?

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 748486)

Seems to me most of the "refugees" are mostly young guys of military service age , so why are they not enroling into "overseas militias" much like the Poles/French/Dutch and others did in 39. Then after basic training they can go back and support the coalition forces. I'm sure the US/British military would be more than happy to supply training personnel . I'm sure after all these wasted years we have enough Phasto/Dari speakers amongst our veterans who would be glad of the chance to train these guys .
Probably the only objections would come from the corrupt Govt. in Kabul , would they really want indigenous 'western' trained troops keeping an eye on things . :confused: :confused:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 748543)

Having done a contract in Pakistan a couple of years ago - Lahore and Mirpur, I can understand why so many of them want to come to UK - engineering/construction labourers were paid the equivalent of £7 for a 6 day week - food was provided and they found somewhere to sleep on the job site. I suggest that the great majority of would be immigrants, legal or illegal, are for purely financial reasons, and to get away from the slum conditions in which most of them live.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 748543)

Having done a contract in Pakistan a couple of years ago - Lahore and Mirpur, I can understand why so many of them want to come to UK - engineering/construction labourers were paid the equivalent of £7 for a 6 day week - food was provided and they found somewhere to sleep on the job site. I suggest that the great majority of would be immigrants, legal or illegal, are for purely financial reasons, and to get away from the slum conditions in which most of them live.

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 691416)

In the light of recent events where a fanatical bunch of no-marks have barracked our troops during a welcome home parade at Luton, is it not time that we re-evaluated our supposedly tolerant approach to the policies of multicultereralism that recent governments have hammered us with.

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 750048)

In answer to the original posters question

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | £10,000 payout for turban row Pc

Too right we need a re-evaluation, we need a major change to the anti-discrimination laws, our money is being wasted on these kinds of payouts.

Good grief!, panic attacks and palpitations for being told to take your 'hat' off, what would he be like after a normal saturday night in city centre Manchester

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750144)

I agree with you to a point Guinness, but would it not have been an Idea if, when this chap was going through the initial selection before training started, that somebody have had a word in his shell like and told him that in certain situations he may need to take of his turban in order to use the correct head gear for that situation. The ball would then have been is his court as to whether he went ahead and joined the police or decided not to bother

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 750048)

In answer to the original posters question

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | £10,000 payout for turban row Pc

Too right we need a re-evaluation, we need a major change to the anti-discrimination laws, our money is being wasted on these kinds of payouts.

Good grief!, panic attacks and palpitations for being told to take your 'hat' off, what would he be like after a normal saturday night in city centre Manchester

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 750279)

I see there is now a British Police Sikh Wonder what the reaction would be to an exclusive association or union for British White Police Officers.

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 750279)

I see there is now a British Police Sikh Association, how many more separate associations and unions are we going to have? Wonder what the reaction would be to an exclusive association or union for British White Police Officers. It is things like this that cause the most upset and ill feeling because whichever way you look at it these separate bodies are discriminating against whites.
Time the powers that be opened their eyes!!!!!

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 750279)

I see there is now a British Police Sikh Association, how many more seperate associations and unions are we going to have? Wonder what the reaction would be to an exclusive association or union for British White Police Officers.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 750352)

I thought it was called the Masons :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750348)

I've always thought that Bernie, it seems there are sections in British society that have to cater for different ethnic groups, which seems to fly in the face of a multi cultural society, I just wonder what would happen if we had a Music of White Origin Awards:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Pheonix (Post 750384)

Hi

I am a new member to Accyweb and find some of the threads very intriguing as I work through some of the posts.

I have never been out of work and never relied on the state for support, on top of that I have served in the British Army although for only 9 years, in my time in the army I saw some good things and some bad, but I will never meet a bunch of better people in my life as they were always there for me as I was for them. At no time was colour creed or religion mentioned although there is always barrack room banter and you have a laugh and a joke and you learn to give as well as take.

Someone said that we should train the youngsters to go back and join the local militias, fine is it a good idea, NO, reason - these youngster when they are turned (whether they are muslims, christian, sikhs is immaterial) will come back and use those skills against us, just on a side note who trained the taliban in afghanistan (the American and the British so they could oppose the Russians, what are the taliban doing now fighting the Americans and the British and I have lost good friends in this cause).

Someone talked about integration, my response is you do not clap with one hand it takes two.

I have lived in Accrington for over 40 years, I have a lot of friend from all walks of life, colour, religion and yes Freemasons aswell.

I am also god-father to my friends kids and the family are catholics I am not.

Now if was to tell you that my ethnicity is not British or English and I am a muslim will your views or opinions of me have changed since you started to read this post. Why? you do not know me. The point that I am making is that we need to get to know people as individuals not as groups or what religion or colour they are, but who they are as themselves and yes this must work both ways.

There is a lot more I could say but for now I will leave it at this as each person must conduct themselves in life as they see fit, after all we do live in a free and democratic country.

I hope I have not offended anyone with my comments as these are my personal views.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 750427)

Certainly didn't offened me.

An excellent post.

The media love the idea of having a new scapegoat, and for the past couple of years it's been Islam, even though the majority of British Muslims are peace loving, hardworking citizens.

We certainly didn't brand all Catholics as potential terrorists, when for decades we were attacked by a tiny minority of people.

Until a decade ago the most famous Muslim in the world wasn't Bin Laden, it was someone who always tops the polls of the most popular sportsman of all time, Mohammed Ali.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 750427)

Until a decade ago the most famous Muslim in the world wasn't Bin Laden, it was someone who always tops the polls of the most popular sportsman of all time, Mohammed Ali.

Originally Posted by Pheonix (Post 750782)

Hi

This discussion appears to have come to an end. My post was meant to stimulate more discussions and thoughts from our virtual community on this site.

Please do not stop the discussions/posts.

We need to keep topics like this live in order to understand each other, then maybe we can become truely a Multi-cultural hyndburn at least.

Originally Posted by [B

Stumped;[/B]750416]The sooner the better as the crap churned out by the black rap groups is absolutely bloody awful and a gross misrepresentation of what is perceived by normal people as 'music'.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 750427)

Certainly didn't offened me.

An excellent post.

The media love the idea of having a new scapegoat, and for the past couple of years it's been Islam, even though the majority of British Muslims are peace loving, hardworking citizens.

We certainly didn't brand all Catholics as potential terrorists, when for decades we were attacked by a tiny minority of people.

Until a decade ago the most famous Muslim in the world wasn't Bin Laden, it was someone who always tops the polls of the most popular sportsman of all time, Mohammed Ali.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 751052)

this thread,started by Stumped was questioning "multi-culture" but has once again boiled down to skin colour...and even degrading the music and artist that are black.. how are we all supposed to live in this world when you regard awards for music or most everyday stuff as a threat..?..seems to me the problem Stumped has.... is not culture.. but colour!

Originally Posted by Pheonix (Post 750782)

Hi

This discussion appears to have come to an end. My post was meant to stimulate more discussions and thoughts from our virtual community on this site.

Please do not stop the discussions/posts.

We need to keep topics like this live in order to understand each other, then maybe we can become truely a Multi-cultural hyndburn at least.

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 751342)

Certain subscribers are intent upon turning this debate into a war of words. It was never my intention to conduct the discussion on the basis of colour alone, and those of you who are under this misaprehension are fundamentally wrong. My argument lies with the surrendering of our indigenous way of life in the face of overwhelming immigration, to the apparent detriment of this nation's wellbeing. I am happy to continue contributing to the exchanges in a civilised manner, but take umbrage when things are put on a personal basis by those who I thought would have known better.

No offence is intended on my part, nor will be it ever be.

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 751342)

...our indigenous way of life

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751380)

Which of the many people's who came to these islands, are you referring to?

There was very little indigenous life here of ay kind, when mankind first evolved in east Africa, and some eventually migrated here, from differing directions.

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 751512)

I suppose I will always align my views with the generation that I grew up and identify with.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751526)

Amongst the descendents of the migrants who came to Lancashire from many different places, and countries, to work in the industrialised mills, and who increased the counties population by a hundred-fold?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751380)

Which of the many people's who came to these islands, are you referring to?

There was very little indigenous life here of ay kind, when mankind first evolved in east Africa, and some eventually migrated here, from differing directions.

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 750416)

The sooner the better as the crap churned out by the black rap groups is absolutely bloody awful and a gross misrepresentation of what is perceived by normal people as 'music'.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 751629)

Why not take the arrgument back to the Big Bang, to a causal singularity at the start of time (t=0) .... you know what he is talking about, as do most others in this forum .... and it has little to do with what Lucy and her friends were doing in East Africa. This taking the road of infinite regression adds nothing to the argument of what is happening in Britain now ....

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751637)

Well why don't people stop beating about the bush then, and say their problem is with non-white migrants, instead of the many who came to the county for work from Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and even eastern Europe?

The point that mankind is migratory being is a fair one. It's happened since we started to walk, and will carry on until we can't.

If people are prejudiced against people because of the colour of their skin, that's their problem. No need to keep harping back to days that were as simple as a pre-war Gracie Field's film, when the only darkie was the cheeky sweep, and nigger was the colour of the oil cloth on the kitchen table.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 751645)

...territoriality clash. And that seems to be what is happening in Britain now.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 751645)

Mankind may indeed be migratory; but he is also territorial ... and it is common in history, as you probably quite well know, that migration and territoriality clash. And that seems to be what is happening in Britain now.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 751647)

there's no denying that Eric.. but this thread was started asking if multiculteral Britian was possible...my answer is that it has to be possible or what does this country turn into?..there are very few nations or countries that have only one culture and in my opinion they are facist states..Iran and China spring to mind.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751650)

We've been multi-cultural since at least Anglo-Saxon times, as they were two seperate ethnicities, and arguably well before that too.

Like every other nation on Earth we are a mongrel breed.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751652)

The funniest thing about this thread is that the person who started it couldn't spell cultural.

Which to my mind exhibits a lack of culture, monoculturalism, multiculturalism, or plain old ethnocentricism.

:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751646)

Territorial clash?

Not that I've seen in the last five years here in Hyndburn, or in the seventeen years before that, that I lived in London.

I do think the majority of people are sick and tired of the way offical wooly liberalism panders to those who weren't born here, instead of encouraging people to integrate. Something we British aren't too good at, when we move over seas ourselves. Happy to exisit in Little England ghettos.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 750427)

Certainly didn't offened me.

Until a decade ago the most famous Muslim in the world wasn't Bin Laden, it was someone who always tops the polls of the most popular sportsman of all time, Mohammed Ali.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751652)

Which to my mind exhibits a lack of culture, monoculturalism, multiculturalism, or plain old ethnocentricism.

:D

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 751647)

there's no denying that Eric.. but this thread was started asking if multiculteral Britian was possible...my answer is that it has to be possible or what does this country turn into?..there are very few nations or countries that have only one culture and in my opinion they are fascist states..Iran and China spring to mind.

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 751660)

Its Muhammad Ali

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 751660)

Its Muhammad Ali



I agree

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 751636)

I'll say it again... this statement is aimed at colour.. nothing to do with culture..unless you see anyone not white as having a different culture than your own and therefore a threat ?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 751672)

As I've pointed out many times we can all make mistakes, yet it doesn't stop us from getting our point of view across.

I just thought it was more than a little ironic, that in a thread about multiculturalism, the person who'd started the thread had misspelled the word culture.

:D

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 691416)

In the light of recent events where a fanatical bunch of no-marks have barracked our troops during a welcome home parade at Luton, is it not time that we re-evaluated our supposedly tolerant approach to the policies of multicultereralism that recent governments have hammered us with.
:behead::behead::behead:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 751828)

no stumped mancie is deffo not arguing for sake of it...Im sure even a racist bigot can see that........or perhaps im too drunk to see

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 751846)

To avoid all the pedantry and nonsensical colour discrimination accusations, perhaps in future this kind of post should read :-

In the variable spectrum of recent events, long after the birth of mankind, whence a throng of individuals that long ago broke away from their hereditary east african culture and founded a new culture, travelled as a small group, who, seemingly unhappy with their own culture and values, settled amidst another culture. In time they did express that they disagreed most vehemently with many aspects of the new found culture.

(Notwithstanding the fact that this new found culture also began as a breakaway group from the self same hereditary east african culture, which also consisted of a throng of individuals that long ago broke away from their hereditary east african culture and after various battles and wars, became civilised and founded a new culture that they were happy with.)

This disagreement was expressed by verbal abuse, flag burning, bottle throwing and the like against the returning heroic warriors of the new found culture. These dissenters were then protected from the wrath of the families of warriors who would not be returning home by the guardians of the new found culture, who had sworn to uphold the culture of which they were dissenting against.

Is it not time that the new found culture re-evaluated its policies in tolerating this kind of cultural dissent?

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 751959)

Sounds good to me. Maybe in a tit for tat sort of way - and in the wake of the British Raj' campaign in India - we are headed for an Indian Raj' in the UK! Mancie would certainly qualify for the post of punka-wallah!

Originally Posted by armani (Post 753312)

i think its gone well to far I dont think they realized they breed like rabbits before they started letting them in i think they are responsible for most of the drugs that come into this country and most of the fraud

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 753558)

And probably for the no smoking ban, the bad weather, England's failure to beat the Ukraine, and the drop in quality of meat pies .... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 693986)

Is there a point at which multiculteralism should be deemed to be heading too far.? Its been reported that 1 in 7 primary school pupils have English as a second language. In some areas English is a foreign language to over 70% of 4-11 year olds. Ten schools are without a single pupil who has English as a first language. In 4 years the number of primary school children who dont have English as their first language has increased by 25% and one school has pupils with 56 different languages!. This is as things stand now...or rather last year, so surely if nothing is done to drastically curtail immigration, then this situation can only get much worse. This surely must greatly effect the standard of education that children are receiving in this country, when so much resource has to be put basic english language skills. Apparently £206 million funding is being put into increasing the "Ethnic minority achievement grant" by 2010.

Surely if things are allowed to carry on at this rate, we as a country are going to lose our national identity, can that be right? WE've always been a very patriotic country, proud of our national heritage and common values. This must be being eroded by the level of multiculteralism to which we are surely heading, if more control is not taken over immigration. Its obviously right and beneficial to have a certain ammount of diversity, and integration of others cultures into our society, but i dont feel this should be allowed to grow to a level that it puts our own National Identity at risk. One of the benefits of travel, is to see other nationalities and cultures, a lot can be enjoyed and learned by seeing other lands and how people live there. However, its still usually nice to return home, and be among people of your own upbriging with whom you share common values. Britain is i think in danger of feeling less like home, and more just a nation of disparate groups sharing a chunk of earth. Australia, another island nation, has set and indeed now reduced the level of imigrants its going to take, particularily in the current ecconomic climate. I really feel we need to do the same.

If things carry on in the way that they are, rather than us having to debate possible Street name changes in Hyndburn, our Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren may be talking about changing the name of the Country!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by armani (Post 753312)

i think its gone well to far I dont think they realized they breed like rabbits before they started letting them in i think they are responsible for most of the drugs that come into this country and most of the fraud

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 753558)

And probably for the no smoking ban, the bad weather, England's failure to beat the Ukraine, and the drop in quality of meat pies .... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 753632)

lol... did meat pies ever have any quality? :D

Originally Posted by joaner3 (Post 753587)

I live in Montreal, a french province, if you come to live in this province you are automatically sent to a french school, unless one of your parents went to an english school here in Canada. All immigrants go to french school, you have no choice but to learn the language.

This was all started by the Parti Quebecois government which won in 1977, I was lucky because I came to Canada in 1974 so I could send my daughter to English school with no problem. She is fluently bilingual.

What I hear and see about whats going on in England, I feel very sad.
Doesn't this "government" realize what they are doing.