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Restless 18-09-2009 00:17

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apologies for offtopic... but i for some reason have a Red karma that just says 'hows that for negative' i think perhaps an incomplete sentence? No idea why i got this apart from not sharing the same views as others.... oh well

Restless 18-09-2009 00:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 745690)
this joke of a system?

Perhpas the BNP have intention to make a difference...thats if they get enough fascists to support them.

I agree with you that the system is a joke but all world leaders are puppets on strings....just ask Mr D :D

Eric 18-09-2009 00:31

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 745946)
apologies for offtopic... but i for some reason have a Red karma that just says 'hows that for negative' i think perhaps an incomplete sentence? No idea why i got this apart from not sharing the same views as others.... oh well

I wouldn't worry about it bud .... Anyone incapable of using an apostrophe in order to make a phrase into a complete sentence probably doesn't have a reasoned position to argue (or at least to argue intelligently) other than one supported only by a set of biases sitting on a foundation of ignorance.

Restless 18-09-2009 00:50

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well said, but you dont have to be literate to argue intelligently or even to run a country... look at george bush :)

Eric 18-09-2009 04:01

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 745950)
well said, but you dont have to be literate to argue intelligently or even to run a country... look at george bush :)

I'd rather not:D

jaysay 18-09-2009 09:09

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It appears the the French are closing the refuge camp outside Calais, where 2000 people from mainly Afghanistan and Iraq, are hell bent on gaining illegal entry to this country, it seems the French are blaming GB plc for the growth of this site because Britain has become a soft touch and people can't wait to get to the land of milk and honey:mad::mad:

cashman 18-09-2009 11:25

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 745969)
It appears the the French are closing the refuge camp outside Calais, where 2000 people from mainly Afghanistan and Iraq, are hell bent on gaining illegal entry to this country, it seems the French are blaming GB plc for the growth of this site because Britain has become a soft touch and people can't wait to get to the land of milk and honey:mad::mad:

fer once i agree wi the frogs.

katex 18-09-2009 13:16

Re: Multicultural Britain - A No,No?
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 697689)
You can't go to any other country in the world and get free health care, in most countries if you haven't paid into the system you don't get treated, I think Spain is a prime example of this.

If you take out Residencia Jaysay ... you get their free health care whether you have paid anything into their system or not. My friends have done this, and have nothing but praise for it.

cashman 18-09-2009 14:11

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 746013)
If you take out Residencia Jaysay ... you get their free health care whether you have paid anything into their system or not. My friends have done this, and have nothing but praise for it.

i took Residencia Kate but also had to pay Social Securidad, are yer friends retired? that could explain it.:confused: agree wi the praise fer spanish health care.

Wynonie Harris 18-09-2009 14:36

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So, why don't the government take a look at the French, German and Spanish methods of dealing with immigration? Presumably, they have systems in place which are fair, yet firm. It stands to reason that if we adopted the French model, for example, the UK would be an unappealing as France is now to the thousands currently massed at Calais.

cashman 18-09-2009 14:41

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746028)
So, why don't the government take a look at the French, German and Spanish methods of dealing with immigration? Presumably, they have systems in place which are fair, yet firm. It stands to reason that if we adopted the French model, for example, the UK would be an unappealing as France is now to the thousands currently massed at Calais.

cos that would be too simple fer a superior race.:rolleyes: its the owd "We Know Best" here wyn.

jaysay 18-09-2009 15:43

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746028)
So, why don't the government take a look at the French, German and Spanish methods of dealing with immigration? Presumably, they have systems in place which are fair, yet firm. It stands to reason that if we adopted the French model, for example, the UK would be an unappealing as France is now to the thousands currently massed at Calais.

The only difference Wynonie is unlike us France Germany and Spain don't have wall to wall bloody dogooders

Eric 18-09-2009 18:46

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If all this didn't pose such serious consequences for your country, it would be laughable.

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 18:52

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 745948)
thats if they get enough fascists to support them.

Some say these so called facists are realists.

Restless 18-09-2009 20:35

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 746064)
Some say these so called facists are realists.

Some are idiots

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 22:18

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746086)
Some are idiots

There are idiots in all walks of life, you don't have to be as you say a facist just look at the two main parties, plenty there. Then look at the PC Brigade every one of those do-gooders would qualify for an idiot badge.:)

Restless 18-09-2009 22:23

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hehe bagpuss. But really what i mean is for people to vote for bnp just to oppose immigrants....or to oppose muslims...they must be really ignorant to all the things bnp represent.

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 22:33

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746132)
what i mean is for people to vote for bnp to oppose immigrants....or to oppose muslims

Sounds like a plan.;)

Restless 18-09-2009 22:36

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dont twist my words GRRRRRrr

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 22:40

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746138)
dont twist my words GRRRRRrr

I will do what I want I'm a realist.;):)

Restless 18-09-2009 22:42

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 746140)
I will do what I want I'm a realist.;):)

does that mean u are admitting you vote bnp?

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 22:47

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746141)
does that mean u are admitting you vote bnp?

I've voted for the BNP in the European elections.

Restless 18-09-2009 22:51

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madness

reminds me of reading about that... here it is
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-parties.html

As the lib dem guy says..... "party of thugs and fascists"

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 23:05

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746146)
madness

As the lib dem guy says..... "party of thugs and fascists"

My vote, I like what Cameron said "what the mainstream parties have to do is prove their worth", well until that happens I will continue to use my vote as I see fit.:)

Restless 18-09-2009 23:08

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well if they win through i hope you have blonde hair and blue eyes

Bagpuss 18-09-2009 23:12

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746154)
well if they win through i hope you have blonde hair and blue eyes

That old one again, just get us out of Europe and stop the influx of job stealing immigrants and I will be happy, for now:).

cashman 18-09-2009 23:14

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746154)
well if they win through i hope you have blonde hair and blue eyes

they will never win through, in my view thats just a protest vote, quite understandable to me, personally would rather have me balls cut off, but can see plainly why folk are brassed off enough to vote fer em, its those who can't see that,that worry me.

Restless 18-09-2009 23:21

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yes but cashman voting for bnp will not solve this problem and the protest is just blowing in the wind.

bagpuss: yeah the old one....but still the horror is still there about these people. Nick said that the holocaust was the holohoax.....that scares me..especially when people may vote without really knowing the full extent to the hatred they represent

Restless 18-09-2009 23:26

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yeah the european union... that is an odd situation. I had a born again christianity leaflet through the door that said Jesus was going to return and destroy the european union....hehe

According to conspiracy nuts we are heading into a world government and that you can expect a war with china/japan soon. What will happen then...Will we vote to try and get out of the world union?

cashman 18-09-2009 23:29

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746161)
yes but cashman voting for bnp will not solve this problem

disagree if enough people vote fer these scumbags the main parties will have to get off the pot n sort our homeland out, it may just need summat like that to make the ******* move. unless of course you can tell me what else will.

Restless 18-09-2009 23:33

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doubt they would ever get enough votes. This was the basis of my last comment

cashman 18-09-2009 23:54

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746167)
doubt they would ever get enough votes. This was the basis of my last comment

i also doubt that, but fact remains if it occured i think the majors would crap themselves n actually do summat, so on that basis i think it may work, do you?

Restless 19-09-2009 00:00

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its hard to contemplate. If bnp got in id do everything i could to goto america or canada

Restless 19-09-2009 00:01

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i keep telling myself this country... i need out of it. But if i managed to leave for good....would i miss it? hehe

cashman 19-09-2009 00:08

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746171)
its hard to contemplate. If bnp got in id do everything i could to goto america or canada

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746172)
i keep telling myself this country... i need out of it. But if i managed to leave for good....would i miss it? hehe

no-ones talking about em getting in, cos will never happen most people are aware of that, if they got a big vote i'm saying. many would leave if they were elected, i would return to spain fer one.

Wynonie Harris 19-09-2009 08:16

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 746155)
That old one again, just get us out of Europe and stop the influx of job stealing immigrants and I will be happy, for now:).

Baggy, as someone who's married to a "job stealing immigrant" (a "job stealing immigrant" who might help to save your life one day if you ever have the misfortune to need treatment in her hospital department), if your wish ever came, true and the BNP got into power, you would see a space were I used to stand on the Clayton End.

However, the major parties really do need to counter the threat of the BNP more seriously. Firstly, by acknowledging that people are concerned about immigration and looking at ways to allay their concerns. As I said, why don't the goverment look at how the French and Spanish deal with immigrants? Neither of these countries have adopted the "send 'em all back and close the borders" approach that the likes of Baggy advocate, but they are not seen as a soft touch for illegals and bogus asylum seekers in the way that the UK is.

Secondly, the main parties need to confront Nick Griffin directly and expose his arguments to the light of day. Nick Griffin is apparently going to appear on "Question Time" - the Labour party's refusal to appear with him is absolutely ridiculous. They should be on there countering his cliched, prejudiced views with well-reasoned arguments. Ignoring the BNP will not make them go away.

jaysay 19-09-2009 08:46

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With regards to the refugee camp in France, it now appears that the UN are sticking their nose in saying that those in this camp should be allowed into Britain when this camp shuts, no doubt they#ll be saying that we should also take those being held in Camp Gidmo when the Yanks close that too, Britain is fast becoming the dustbin of the world

Eric 19-09-2009 09:18

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It's really quite simple; even us colonials got if figured. All those wishing to become citizens of our country must apply. In order to be succesful you need to aquire a certain number of points. Points are awarded on the basis of your education and skills, and if those skills are ones that we are in need of, and you are in good health, you are in. Although, if you decide to locate in Quebec, be prepared to learn French and accept the fact that your children will be educated in French. Bottom line is: if we need you, you are welcome. If we don't ..........

Neil 19-09-2009 09:19

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 746146)

As the lib dem guy says..... "party of thugs and fascists"

Lets get real, the Lim Dem guy probably see's Rupert Bear as a fascist thug :D

Wynonie Harris 19-09-2009 09:47

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 746229)
Lets get real, the Lim Dem guy probably see's Rupert Bear as a fascist thug :D

Maybe he is! If you look at the cover of Rupert annuals he's brown, but if you look at the pictures inside, he's gone white. Think there's a subliminal message there! ;) :D

Eric 19-09-2009 09:50

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746244)
Maybe he is! If you look at the cover of Rupert annuals he's brown, but if you look at the pictures inside, he's gone white. Think there's a subliminal message there! ;) :D

Like in Vance Packard's "Hidden Bearsuaders":confused:;):)

Wynonie Harris 19-09-2009 09:53

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 746245)
Like in Vance Packard's "Hidden Bearsuaders":confused:;):)

Quick off the mark there, Eric! :D

jaysay 19-09-2009 10:23

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746244)
Maybe he is! If you look at the cover of Rupert annuals he's brown, but if you look at the pictures inside, he's gone white. Think there's a subliminal message there! ;) :D

Or could it be a case for Trading Standards Wynonie:D

Bagpuss 19-09-2009 10:40

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746199)
if your wish ever came, true and the BNP got into power

"send 'em all back and close the borders" approach that the likes of Baggy advocate

Mr H when did I ever say I wanted the BNP to get in???

Likes of Baggy my arse, close the borders, yes, send them back, it's not going to happen but if we make the UK a place that's not such a soft touch and inviting to every european scumbag then they will go back of their own accord.

Muslims, I would ban the muslim religion in the UK, end off.

I voted BNP in the euro elections as a protest vote I could have voted UKIP but felt that was a cop out.

south aussie 19-09-2009 11:02

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 746228)
It's really quite simple; even us colonials got if figured. All those wishing to become citizens of our country must apply. In order to be succesful you need to aquire a certain number of points. Points are awarded on the basis of your education and skills, and if those skills are ones that we are in need of, and you are in good health, you are in. Although, if you decide to locate in Quebec, be prepared to learn French and accept the fact that your children will be educated in French. Bottom line is: if we need you, you are welcome. If we don't ..........

A work mate of mine has just returned after a holiday in the UK.
He is a Aussie and a first time visitor ,his wife is originally from Liverpool.
Iasked him about his trip
Agreat place to visit,but you wouldn,t want to live there ,too many effin foreigners,and they still keep lettin em in
.

cashman 19-09-2009 11:07

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Originally Posted by south aussie (Post 746264)
A work mate of mine has just returned after a holiday in the UK.
He is a Aussie and a first time visitor ,his wife is originally from Liverpool.
Iasked him about his trip
Agreat place to visit,but you wouldn,t want to live there ,too many effin foreigners,and they still keep lettin em in
.

thats a good summary from a guy wi no axe to grind.;)

Wynonie Harris 19-09-2009 13:58

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 746261)
Likes of Baggy my arse, close the borders, yes, send them back, it's not going to happen but if we make the UK a place that's not such a soft touch and inviting to every european scumbag then they will go back of their own accord.

Muslims, I would ban the muslim religion in the UK, end off.

Right, Baggy, so you want to close the borders. You seen to acknowledge that "sending them all back" isn't practical, but presumably as you seem to despise "job-stealing immigrants" and foreigners in general, I assume that's what you like to happen. And you'd like to ban the muslim religion in the UK (how do you do that? Have special "religious police" going round checking people's houses for muslim artefacts?).

What other party could you possibly want in power apart from the BNP? :confused:

jaysay 19-09-2009 14:00

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746306)
Right, Baggy, so you want to close the borders. You seen to acknowledge that "sending them all back" isn't practical, but presumably as you seem to despise "job-stealing immigrants" and foreigners in general, I assume that's what you like to happen. And you'd like to ban the muslim religion in the UK (how do you do that? Have special "religious police" going round checking people's houses for muslim artefacts?).

What other party could you possibly want in power apart from the BNP? :confused:

They did it with catholics Wynonie:rolleyes:

Eric 20-09-2009 08:53

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 746247)
Quick off the mark there, Eric! :D

Amazing what a grammar school education equips you to do;)

Neil 20-09-2009 09:01

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 746307)
They did it with catholics Wynonie:rolleyes:

They only did half a job though as we still have plenty left :rolleyes::D

Eric 20-09-2009 09:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 746307)
They did it with catholics Wynonie:rolleyes:

And the Jews.

jaysay 20-09-2009 09:29

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 746469)
They only did half a job though as we still have plenty left :rolleyes::D

We had some good hide outs Neil:D

LYNX1 20-09-2009 19:13

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And you'd like to ban the muslim religion in the UK (how do you do that? Have special "religious police" going round checking people's houses for muslim artefacts?).

All you'd have to do is go through the Council Tax register and you'd find most of them.......they're all exempt because they say that they use front room as prayer room so don't pay any as long as they say they get 10 people in :(

Mancie 21-09-2009 01:18

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Originally Posted by LYNX1 (Post 746576)
And you'd like to ban the muslim religion in the UK (how do you do that? Have special "religious police" going round checking people's houses for muslim artefacts?).

All you'd have to do is go through the Council Tax register and you'd find most of them.......they're all exempt because they say that they use front room as prayer room so don't pay any as long as they say they get 10 people in :(

:D..I think I'll try that next time some mates are around for the footy..(and before you start yes I might struggle to find 10 mates) :D

steeljack 21-09-2009 02:34

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Originally Posted by LYNX1 (Post 746576)

All you'd have to do is go through the Council Tax register and you'd find most of them.......they're all exempt because they say that they use front room as prayer room so don't pay any as long as they say they get 10 people in :(

Is this true ?, any idea of the numbers ? any Hyndburn Councillor with want to comment about the veracity of the above comment, and if its correct how many use this ruse to get an exemption :eek: :confused:

Restless 21-09-2009 04:05

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 746648)
Is this true ?, any idea of the numbers ? any Hyndburn Councillor with want to comment about the veracity of the above comment, and if its correct how many use this ruse to get an exemption :eek: :confused:

if it is i think i may throw my atheism out the window and become a muslim... could do with an extra £90 per month :D

jaysay 21-09-2009 09:08

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 746644)
:D..I think I'll try that next time some mates are around for the footy..(and before you start yes I might struggle to find 10 mates) :D

Na Mancie you wouldn't have any problems finding 10 United supporters where you live:D

jaysay 21-09-2009 09:15

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Just an example of PC madness, it seems that the home office issued a 5 page leaflet telling people not to eat their food in front of Muslims during Ramadan as it could put to much pressure on people fasting. This leaflet has been criticised my Muslims themselves saying that stupid things like this only cause resentment between them and none Muslims and is uncalled for

LYNX1 21-09-2009 10:05

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any idea of the numbers ? any Hyndburn Councillor with want to comment about the veracity of the above comment, and if its correct how many use this ruse to get an exemption :eek: :confused:[/quote]

I know for a fact that it is true, my ex next door neighbour is one of the people who do it :(

MargaretR 21-09-2009 11:23

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When I was 'knocking on doors for the Social' I visited such homes on a few occasions.
The front room was furnished only with a large rug.
There was a small space between it and the skirting board which I had to walk on to reach the kitchen.
Standing on a prayer rug wearing shoes is a no no.
There were a few muslim 'priests' living in the community - only a few then - maybe more now.

What used to annoy me was how they could claim when christian priests, reverands and nuns couldn't.

LYNX1 21-09-2009 21:23

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What used to annoy me was how they could claim when christian priests, reverands and nuns couldn't.[/quote]

My sentiments exactly Margaret

cashman 21-09-2009 21:26

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 746735)
When I was 'knocking on doors for the Social' I visited such homes on a few occasions.


What used to annoy me was how they could claim when christian priests, reverands and nuns couldn't.

thats exactly the sort of stupidity by the powers that be, that creates resentment, ordinary people can see that, yet there too stupid.:rolleyes:

Alan Gilmartin 22-09-2009 06:24

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Enoch Powell, will be saying, you should have listened to me, now its the same old story all over the world and I supose you realise all our coments are being monitored. Free speach will be dead in 20 years and so will I.

LYNX1 22-09-2009 06:29

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Originally Posted by Alan Gilmartin (Post 746899)
Enoch Powell, will be saying, you should have listened to me, now its the same old story all over the world and I supose you realise all our coments are being monitored. Free speach will be dead in 20 years and so will I.

Didn't you know......free speech has been dead for years.......well it is for the brits :(

jaysay 22-09-2009 08:42

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 746871)
that's exactly the sort of stupidity by the powers that be, that creates resentment, ordinary people can see that, yet there too stupid.:rolleyes:

The problem is with all this pandering by the establishment cashy is, they're to thick to see the problems they are causing for themselves, If everybody was treated the same irrespective of race or religion nobody would mind but its when they start bending over backwards for outsiders making their home here is where the problems start, and in a lot of cases these same people don't really want singling out for special treatment

cashman 22-09-2009 14:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 746916)
The problem is with all this pandering by the establishment cashy is, they're to thick to see the problems they are causing for themselves, If everybody was treated the same irrespective of race or religion nobody would mind but its when they start bending over backwards for outsiders making their home here is where the problems start, and in a lot of cases these same people don't really want singling out for special treatment

Thats what i call "Ya Nailed It In One.";)

Eric 22-09-2009 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 746916)
The problem is with all this pandering by the establishment cashy is, they're to thick to see the problems they are causing for themselves, If everybody was treated the same irrespective of race or religion nobody would mind but its when they start bending over backwards for outsiders making their home here is where the problems start, and in a lot of cases these same people don't really want singling out for special treatment

Immigration Canada is starting to single out more and more people for special treatment .... it's called deportation.

Whatever happened to the idea of letting people into your country on the basis of what they can give to the country, not what they can take from it:confused:

Bagpuss 22-09-2009 21:27

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That's how it should be but this is England a place where too many people just haven't got the balls to say or do what should be done. It used to be don't unpack you're going back now it's let me unpack for you and while we're at it please accept my job and my house and all my money in case I offend you, people of England you make me sick.

LYNX1 22-09-2009 21:42

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 747126)
That's how it should be but this is England a place where too many people just haven't got the balls to say or do what should be done. It used to be don't unpack you're going back now it's let me unpack for you and while we're at it please accept my job and my house and all my money in case I offend you, people of England you make me sick.

Well put Bagpuss.....couldn't have said it better myself.....Pity the powers that be can't see the woods for the trees

jaysay 23-09-2009 08:51

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Watching the news last night I wondered what would have happened if British police had handled illegals in this country as the French did at the "Jungle" there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth me think;)

Barrie Yates 23-09-2009 14:17

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Here in France there are no translated official documents - if you want a translation - go and pay for one. of course there are plenty of officials here who are will ing to help if you are polite and make an attempt to speak French - no matter how badly. You want to get a job here, you have to speak French, even to the extent of a French driving test (Certificate of Competency) for anything over 3.5 tons. Some of the horror stories I have heard of immigrant drivers turning up to drive passennger vehicles having passed their "driving test" on disused Eastern Bloc airfields, really make you wonder what England has become.

Eric 24-09-2009 19:15

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 747241)
Here in France there are no translated official documents - if you want a translation - go and pay for one. of course there are plenty of officials here who are will ing to help if you are polite and make an attempt to speak French - no matter how badly. You want to get a job here, you have to speak French, even to the extent of a French driving test (Certificate of Competency) for anything over 3.5 tons. Some of the horror stories I have heard of immigrant drivers turning up to drive passennger vehicles having passed their "driving test" on disused Eastern Bloc airfields, really make you wonder what England has become.

Sounds a lot like Quebec;)

cashman 24-09-2009 19:18

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747509)
Sounds a lot like Quebec;)

Spain is just the same, only us that are stupid.:rolleyes:

Eric 24-09-2009 19:39

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On the radio the other day the CBC were interviewing this Afghani guy in France .... he needed a translator, tho', because he didn't speak English .... he was up front about why he was trying to make it to the UK .... food, shelter and health care for his family. Seems like you guys have a major league problem going on. With all these freeloaders ready to descend on your shores, maybe it's time to do a Nancy Reagan, and just say "no".

BERNADETTE 24-09-2009 19:49

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I think the vast majority of people have been able to see the problems for a long time Eric, just can't get anybody in power to recognise what is going on.

Eric 24-09-2009 20:03

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 747517)
I think the vast majority of people have been able to see the problems for a long time Eric, just can't get anybody in power to recognise what is going on.

This sounds really crazy .... there are some things which are obvious .... if the majority can see that there is a problem, why can't those representatives the people vote for see it? I know that there are a lot of voices speaking from the lunatic fringe parties (we even hear about it in this pleasant backwater country of ours), but why is it that the mainstream parties won't admit there is a problem? Maybe your PM is hoping that the BNP will drain votes from the tories in the next election:rolleyes: Immigration is fine if you need people, particularly people with certain skills; but to let in anyone and everyone is just plain nuts. Ah well, none of my business really.

SPUGGIE J 24-09-2009 20:09

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747522)
This sounds really crazy .... there are some things which are obvious .... if the majority can see that there is a problem, why can't those representatives the people vote for see it? I know that there are a lot of voices speaking from the lunatic fringe parties (we even hear about it in this pleasant backwater country of ours), but why is it that the mainstream parties won't admit there is a problem? Maybe your PM is hoping that the BNP will drain votes from the tories in the next election:rolleyes: Immigration is fine if you need people, particularly people with certain skills; but to let in anyone and everyone is just plain nuts. Ah well, none of my business really.

One phrase springs to mind "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" cant bash the minorities unless you want time at HMP.

Eric 24-09-2009 20:58

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 747527)
One phrase springs to mind "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" cant bash the minorities unless you want time at HMP.

I honestly do believe that somewhere between "promoting hatred" and "political correctness" there lies something that, for want of a better term, can be called "common sense". Out here in the boonies, it is illegal to promote hatred of a particular group, say for example, "muslims", "jews", "gays", but freedom of speech is still alive and well ....

Question: when the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood on his hind legs to spout his hatred of Israel, did the Brits, like the Candians walk out?

SPUGGIE J 24-09-2009 21:06

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747548)
I honestly do believe that somewhere between "promoting hatred" and "political correctness" there lies something that, for want of a better term, can be called "common sense". Out here in the boonies, it is illegal to promote hatred of a particular group, say for example, "muslims", "jews", "gays", but freedom of speech is still alive and well ....

Question: when the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood on his hind legs to spout his hatred of Israel, did the Brits, like the Candians walk out?

Common sense is something they have never heard of over here in the corridors of power. As for walking out they were scared that a minority over here would have marched in protest. That would mean making a hard choice which is impossible for them to do. Their back bones are as ridged as a peice of fine sewing thread.

Eric 24-09-2009 21:39

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 747553)
Common sense is something they have never heard of over here in the corridors of power. As for walking out they were scared that a minority over here would have marched in protest. That would mean making a hard choice which is impossible for them to do. Their back bones are as ridged as a peice of fine sewing thread.

When asked by the media about Canada's decision to walk out of the Iranian leader's address, our PM (whom I don't particularly like, and would never vote for) said: "Canada makes its own decisions on these matters. There is no way I am going to permit any official of the Government of Canada to be present and give any legitimacy to remarks made by a leader like that." Nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again, is there.

LYNX1 24-09-2009 21:55

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747567)
When asked by the media about Canada's decision to walk out of the Iranian leader's address, our PM (whom I don't particularly like, and would never vote for) said: "Canada makes its own decisions on these matters. There is no way I am going to permit any official of the Government of Canada to be present and give any legitimacy to remarks made by a leader like that." Nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again, is there.

Can you send him over here for a while eric........could teach our lot a thing or two

cashman 24-09-2009 22:12

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747567)
When asked by the media about Canada's decision to walk out of the Iranian leader's address, our PM (whom I don't particularly like, and would never vote for) said: "Canada makes its own decisions on these matters. There is no way I am going to permit any official of the Government of Canada to be present and give any legitimacy to remarks made by a leader like that." Nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again, is there.

Top geezer in my book.;) i would even say that about a tory here if they did similar.

Eric 24-09-2009 23:21

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Originally Posted by LYNX1 (Post 747577)
Can you send him over here for a while eric........could teach our lot a thing or two

Doing and saying what he did is not all that difficult. Canada is a friend and supporter of Israel; a position I fully agree with, but that's another argument. Given the nature of many of the Iranian leader's remarks concerning Israel, and Iran's strong anti-Israeli policies, PM Harper could do little else. I realise that I may be coming on strong in support of my country, but I don't see anything wrong with that either. There is no argument here about a multicultural Canada ... we have what we like to call a "cultural mosaic", and it seems to work well enough. However, first and foremost, we are Canadian; and damn proud to be so.

Tealeaf 24-09-2009 23:44

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747601)
.....However, first and foremost, we are Canadian; and damn proud to be so.

Indeed you are, Eric; however, had it not been for us Brits you would now be no more than a "Department de France", or even worse, the 51st State of the Union. This month is, as you know, the 250th anniversary of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham. I trust you have been reminding your Froggie neighbours of that fact and of who was the victor.

Eric 25-09-2009 00:23

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 747608)
Indeed you are, Eric; however, had it not been for us Brits you would now be no more than a "Department de France", or even worse, the 51st State of the Union. This month is, as you know, the 250th anniversary of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham. I trust you have been reminding your Froggie neighbours of that fact and of who was the victor.

They did have some sort of ceremony in Quebec City .... it went over like a fart in a space suit.;):D Because a lot of folks are ignorant about Canada, they think that we are sitting around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for the Americans to invite us to become the fifty first state:eek: No way. In fact, we have more in common with you guys than we do with the yanks. All new Canadians, for example, must swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen ... the only ones who seem to object to this are .... well, have a guess.;) But if we can make a country out of two founding nations, almost 700 First Nations, people from every corner of the world, of every race, religion, political persuasion, fishermen from Newfoundland, wheat farmers from Saskatchewan, and wierdos from British California, etc., etc., surely you guys can do it. All that new Britons need to do is fit in and contribute, in order to make a stronger Britain. I think that's why discussions like this bug me ... the answer is so simple (well in theory anyhow) ... a real no-brainer. The UK is a great country with lots to offer; but if you bend over forwards to over-accomodate immigrants, guess what will happen ..... :eek:

jaysay 25-09-2009 09:02

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747548)
I honestly do believe that somewhere between "promoting hatred" and "political correctness" there lies something that, for want of a better term, can be called "common sense". Out here in the boonies, it is illegal to promote hatred of a particular group, say for example, "muslims", "jews", "gays", but freedom of speech is still alive and well ....

Question: when the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood on his hind legs to spout his hatred of Israel, did the Brits, like the Canadians walk out?

Somewhere between Promoting hatred and political correctness Eric no such pace in GB these days, as soon as you open your mouth your a racist, only the other day a little lad aged about 8 was playing soldiers and said to one of his playmates your a German your dead bang bang, what a commotion that caused, he was dragged before the headmaster and branded a racist, when he got home he said mum whats a racist:rolleyes:

Restless 25-09-2009 14:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 747645)
Somewhere between Promoting hatred and political correctness Eric no such pace in GB these days, as soon as you open your mouth your a racist, only the other day a little lad aged about 8 was playing soldiers and said to one of his playmates your a German your dead bang bang, what a commotion that caused, he was dragged before the headmaster and branded a racist, when he got home he said mum whats a racist:rolleyes:

perhaps the kid had been playing call of duty recentley :D

Eric 25-09-2009 18:58

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 747645)
Somewhere between Promoting hatred and political correctness Eric no such pace in GB these days, as soon as you open your mouth your a racist, only the other day a little lad aged about 8 was playing soldiers and said to one of his playmates your a German your dead bang bang, what a commotion that caused, he was dragged before the headmaster and branded a racist, when he got home he said mum whats a racist:rolleyes:

I remember playing on the Rec in Clayton .... If you were lucky, you got to be an English soldier .... not so lucky, German .... real down on your luck, a Jap .... English won every time, which is kinda like it was, as far as I remember .... I also remember rationing, bombed out buildings, picking up brass from .303s on the beach where men had trained for an invasion which, thankfully, never came, and broken men on the streets .... hey, I think I'm having a few politically incorrect memories:eek::rolleyes:

LYNX1 25-09-2009 20:23

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 747814)
I remember playing on the Rec in Clayton .... If you were lucky, you got to be an English soldier .... not so lucky, German .... real down on your luck, a Jap .... English won every time, which is kinda like it was, as far as I remember .... I also remember rationing, bombed out buildings, picking up brass from .303s on the beach where men had trained for an invasion which, thankfully, never came, and broken men on the streets .... hey, I think I'm having a few politically incorrect memories:eek::rolleyes:

Careful eric........there are spies everywhere :hidewall::behead:

SPUGGIE J 25-09-2009 20:27

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Originally Posted by LYNX1 (Post 747852)
Careful eric........there are spies everywhere :hidewall::behead:

One aint on at the mo. Bailed before 19:00 hrs. :D

steeljack 26-09-2009 03:35

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I'm wondering if we are going backwards ....... frequent Accy web users may have noticed that I sometimes post on the video Jukebox thread ........to-night while surfing around I came to the conclusion that the 60s when the "P" word was in common usage just as a descriptive phrase there were at least 4 top ten artists who had multiple top 10 hits who could claim mixed race descent from the "sub-continent" and never was a word said against them ...I'm refering to... Cliff Richards, Eden Kane, Englebert Humperdink and Peter Sarstedt . OK maybe in the tradition of the old minstal show they "wore" white face, to make a living, but all were described at the time as being of "Anglo-Indian origin" all were born before the separation of India and Pakistan ..... haven't read anything about them being 'sell-outs to their origins" ....
maybe things were better in 30/40 years ago than they are now without all the Govt. interferance about how we should all get along . :confused: :confused:

Mancie 26-09-2009 05:29

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I'll go along with what you say Steeljack.. and it's about respect for each other.. no more gollywog or nigger and such that was day to day talk (and still is in the backscrubs of Accy) times change, but ignorant donkeys don't.

SPUGGIE J 26-09-2009 05:55

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 747988)
I'll go along with what you say Steeljack.. and it's about respect for each other.. no more gollywog or nigger and such that was day to day talk (and still is in the backscrubs of Accy) times change, but ignorant Donkeys don't.


There is sadly ignorant donkeys across all sections of our diverse society, not just in the ethnic majority. Unless the re-education is to all donkeys whether in the backscrubs as you call them or the city then we will always have it. This problem will not go away unless all races, creeds, religious beliefs accept what the rest are and do not knock them for it. For us to have a society that is true to the meaning of multicultural diversity and accept what it brings and how we can all benifit ,then we are stuck in the dark ages. We cannot force them to change but encourage them to put forward what is the best in their way of life so that others in time understand them. If we dont we will have small countries within a country that will become insular even more than they are now. What will happen is that they go hell bent for leather to preserve what they have and believe to be under attack.

It will make the splitting of Henry VIII's spliting frome thr Roman church look like a kids falling out. Religion is part of it so is their way of running their daily lives and traditions. I have seen young women of ethnic minorities sticking to beliefs but also others trying to fit in as they have a more liberal view that does not break the traditional falues they hold. These people are tryin to embrace others values and should be applauded for doing so. It shows that there is a desire if only a small one at the moment to fit in. Should we start to knock this or make a mockery then we defeat what we want and let the narrow minded win. Its time to look at who they are and not what they are. The traditions they hold are cherished by them the same way we hold ours dear. Yet when we feel these things are threatened we are reactive not proactive just the same as we are. The UK manages being 4 countries in 1 without any real problems though in the past there were.

We can be a whole with all its little parts just the same as a car engine is because if you remove a needed part it ceases to work as will or culture and what we strive fore.

Mancie 26-09-2009 06:45

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I actually read that Spuggie..wherever did you get it from ? what a load of bollocks..this is England.. keep to the rules we have and your culture is welcome.. you'll always get them that don't but most black people are on the same wavelenth. as for you Jocks..well you've never been any good for England so stay on yer oil rig

SPUGGIE J 26-09-2009 12:12

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 747997)
I actually read that Spuggie..wherever did you get it from ? what a load of bollocks..this is England.. keep to the rules we have and your culture is welcome.. you'll always get them that don't but most black people are on the same wavelenth. as for you Jocks..well you've never been any good for England so stay on yer oil rig

If it was an ideal world then what i had written would be spot on but sadly we do not have an ideal world all because a minority dont like change. As for being a jock well yes n no my did is my mum isnt. And if the UK wasnt the UK you wouldnt get all that oil money Scotland would. :p Oh n I dont work on the rigs. Got too much commen sense for that.

cashman 26-09-2009 15:50

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sorry mancie its not keeping to the rules we have, thats why we are in such a mess now, the new rules have ballsed things up big time.:rolleyes:

Barrie Yates 26-09-2009 17:27

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I have served,worked and lived in a number of countries overseas. In every single one you have to accept that you are there by invitation and you must abide by their laws and customs. Not a single one of them provides official documentation translated into a multitude of languages like England, and presumably UK does. I don't consider myself a racist but i do feel that anyone who chooses to live in UK from a foreign country should accept the English laws and customs and not expect England to change them for the immigrants. That is why after 17 years in a Muslim country my wife and I decided that we no longer wanted to live in "multi-cultural" England. Yet still. "England, for all thy faults, I love thee still."

Mancie 26-09-2009 17:48

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 748119)
I have served,worked and lived in a number of countries overseas. In every single one you have to accept that you are there by invitation and you must abide by their laws and customs. Not a single one of them provides official documentation translated into a multitude of languages like England, and presumably UK does. I don't consider myself a racist but i do feel that anyone who chooses to live in UK from a foreign country should accept the English laws and customs and not expect England to change them for the immigrants. That is why after 17 years in a Muslim country my wife and I decided that we no longer wanted to live in "multi-cultural" England. Yet still. "England, for all thy faults, I love thee still."



hang on Barrie ..Britain nor England are muslim states..if you left England because of muslim immigrants France is chocker block with them. :rolleyes:

Barrie Yates 26-09-2009 17:53

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I don't think i referred to "Muslim Immigrants", i did state that I had worked in a Muslim country - Saudi Arabia to be accurate, where the only non-Muslim religious services can be held in Emabassies, and yes there are plenty in France in the larger cities - very few her in Brittany. It is not just Muslims in UK that are defiling the very culture of our country.

Restless 26-09-2009 18:13

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in heated discussions with my friend about this subject and whatnot.... he has one good point in that like barrie was saying. About building mosques. Try and build a coe or catholic church in SA and see what happens


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