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Multiculteral Britain - A No,No?
In the light of recent events where a fanatical bunch of no-marks have barracked our troops during a welcome home parade at Luton, is it not time that we re-evaluated our supposedly tolerant approach to the policies of multicultereralism that recent governments have hammered us with.
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oooh toughy. Its that line between freedom of expression social unrest.
I guess it depends a lot on the individual. I believe there are a small group of "pc" people who try to paint everything with a broad brush, and try to make every situation fit within it and then enforce this on everyone else. I dont think this is possible. For example were the IRA freedom fighters or terrorists ? If they were terrorists then werent the French resistance in 1940s ? What if the Nazis held a rally ? Should they be allowed to ? What about the BNP. If the BNP cant then why should any other political party ? I generally have a rule of thumb which says believe in what you want to believe in as long as it doesnt affect me or you try to force it on me. Have respect for me and my opinions and I`ll respect yours. What I think is missing from certain people in this country is that respect for others, and at that point (if it was me) I`d politely kick them out of the country regardless of origin. Well not politely then, but they`d still be out. |
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I agree eric, and thank you for saving me all that typing! :D
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I have never agreed with multiculturalism as a "policy". In most Societies those from different cultures have been accepted on condition that they assimilated, primarily, into the culture that prevailed and worked for its good while adding to it the best from their own backgrounds.
This even worked in Great Britain up to the middle of the 20th century. For several centuries we had immigrants - French, Irish, Jewish, Chinese and, after WW2, some Poles and a little later Hungarians. Those people integrated with the natives, learned the language, fitted in but enriched the native culture with some aspects of their own. Most importantly they wanted to be loyal to Britain and all it stood for. The multiculturalism that is so often advocated now is very, very wrong. Different ethnics are positively encouraged to follow their own paths, just as if they were in their land of origin, living and acting seperately from the rest, and that is, for want of a better word, apartheid. It is building great resentment on all sides and it will lead to much worse than the appalling demonstrations we've seen in the last few days. We should be saying, "One Nation, one culture." |
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To the 4 people in this thread (so far)
How has multiculteralism adversly effected you personally? |
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When in Rome .....
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Backpeddling again cashy? :) |
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Personally I am 100% for multi-culturalism in any country. I don't believe any human being should be restricted based on skin colour or birth place. I was told many years ago that if this country threw out all the none english and the rest of the world sent back the english.. we wouldnt be able to cope. we wouldn't have enough room. |
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I've got two close friends.
Tina the Gordie, and Frances the Glaswegian. The fact that Tina is Jewish and Frances is Chinese is incidental. Both come from familes that have been fully integrated into their respective communities for well over a hundred years, and means they consider British through and through, yet they are still pround of their cultural identity. They just see it as secondary to who they actually are. |
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There is a good argument to make that Great Britain has always been multi-cultural. Unless someone wants to argue that the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish, and all the regions (north, south, midlands, Yorkshire, Lancashire, the north east etc. etc.) don't have distinct cultures. Perhaps we should not be using this almost meaningless term, and be talking about how an already diverse society should adjust to immigrants. Should immigrants from, say Poland, come to England and continue to be uniquely Polish? Should they be allowed to take all that England (or Britain) has to offer without making any adjustments to conform to what is already established, and has been for centuries? In Canada, we don't really have that problem ... we are all immigrants (or, according to my First Nations' friends, settlers) ... our culture is multi-culture. Our Govenor General is an Haitian immigrant ... the latest Canadian soldier killed in Afghanistan was a Lebanese immigrant; his family arrived in Canada only nine years ago. Quebec is officially a "distinct society" within Canada. We need immigrants in order to grow ... you guys don't. There has always been a lot of talk here about a "Canadian identity": in other words, there is an on-going struggle to define ourselves as a nation. Brits don't have that problem, or shouldn't have, they already have a national identity, one which has developed over the centuries. |
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You could have two old dears of the same genetic background. One an opera attending Dowager, and the other a bingo playing char lady. They aren't going to share much of a cultural identity. |
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Multiculteralism can only work if the people who come to live here, like and respect us for who we are, and what we stand for. If they basically want to dominate, oppress or change us towards their beliefs or lifestyle ideals as indoctrined from their own countries, then it quite simply cannot ever work. We can all be different, and have varrying thoughts and values, however we have to value our Country and what it stands for. The more diverse we get, the more we stand to lose a common national identity, its not rocket science is it ?. As we think about the welcome home that certain sections of our community gave some of our soldiers recently, one begins to question what things would be like here if we get to a close on 50/50 ratio of Indigenous British and other Ethnic groups. Would these people fight for Britain for example, particularily if it came to be against countries they or their relatives formerly came from. If they would'nt then where would that leave us as a nation. Very very vunerable is the answer really. I always recall the former Cricketer and Pakistani politician Imran Khan saying during a debate, that he hopes the West wake up to whats ahead, and not to underestimate the power and influence of Islam. I took what he said quite lightly at the time. These days i'm thinking about it more and more!
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Concerning what Imran Khan said, I happen to agree with him; and I have made that point several times on this forum, particularly arguing that there are significant and probably irreconcilable differences in the ways that western societies developed and those forces which created Isalmic states. |
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I don't make a habit of repeating myself but, on this occasion, I will say again there is a vast difference between the enhancement diverse cultures can bring to an established way of life and the positive reinforcement of "seperateness". Multiculturalism, as promoted in this country, breeds isolationism among creeds/factions. Emphasis should be placed on working for the common good of the whole country before any other consideration.
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That again. :) |
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All religions have evil side effects - but Islam seems to have more than most.
It is about time that the truth about Roswell was revealed so that people will realise that all religions are primitive myths:hidewall: |
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Possibly the largest multi-cultural nation in the world is the USA..they have had problems but more past than present..Nazi Germany showed us what the alternatives are...and the saying "when in Rome" don't seem to apply to the British ...the British abroad have kept thier own culture...apart from Tarzan we did'nt suddenly take up wearing leapard skins and shrinking heads when we invaded Africa!
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When saying "these people" Cashy I assume you mean the protesters at Luton? but that incident by a very few does not go to say we should start biulding barracades ...there has to be a line drawn when a foreign culture attempts to manipulate custome and laws to force their own standards on us agreed..\i reckon the Klan in America is more of a racial problem than cultural and that maybe something we sometimes get mixed up.. culture not race..apart from that I can't see any alternative other than accept a multicultural society...we already have one!
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I have tonight watched a video clip of Afghan Nationals in Calais trying by whatever means to get into the UK to claim political asylum and reside in a safe haven.
France are in the EEU but they are considering setting up transit camps for these people who I feel sure the UK does not want....why do France not deport them or allow asylum. Are we a soft touch? It would be rather interesting to hear from elected councillors and political gurus on this subject? BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Migrants try to enter UK from Calais |
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Watching that clip I get the impression that the French have a bigger problem than here.
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Apart from a few places in Spain, which have enclaves of immigrants from quite a few northern European countries, and therefore stick in their own communities, most Brits who emigrate now have to assimilate in whichever country they've decided to move to. Be it Australia, Canada or Dubai. They adapt to the cultural idenity of their host country, but are still proud of their British roots. |
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theres a world of difference between keeping yer own culture n trying to IMPOSE it on the nationals, this minority cos thats what they are, are doing no good what so ever fer the ordinary moslems that just wanna get on wi life.:(
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Happily it's only a minority, much like other religious minorities, who likewise try to force their beliefs on you, that are trying to attack and change the democrcy we enjoy in Britain. I'll fight that small minority until I breathe my last breath. I'd rather die doing that than for them to win, and for me to be strung up in some football stadium. |
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The bottom line here is these fanatics feed n make the B.N.P. stronger, n the Big Guns in politics are to dumb to see it.:(
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'What, then, is the attraction? First, unlike in France or Germany, refugees who reach Britain instantly acquire the effective status of asylum seeker. While they wait for their cases to be examined, a lengthy process that gives them every chance to disappear, they are housed and fed and given Ł35 a week, including Ł25 in vouchers to be exchanged in the shops. Then, after six months in the country, they can apply for a work permit. But they can easily find work without a permit, because the black economy in Britain is worth some Ł80bn a year - four times the size of France's. There is no penalty for an employer who hires an illegal immigrant.' 'Ultimately, only one in 40 illegal immigrants to Britain is repatriated. Better treatment aside, perhaps the most appealing aspect of life in Britain is its lack of that continental institution, the national identity card. In Britain, nobody has the right to ask you for your papers unless they suspect you of having committed an offence. You can live and work in Britain without the constant fear of a tap on the shoulder.' Why refugees prefer Britain to France | World news | guardian.co.uk |
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well one things for sure the BNP do not have a multicutural policy for Britain.. before they evolved from the NF they were more about the race/colour in Britian..these days hopefuly most people see hardly any cutural difference between black,white,asian etc so it boils down to religion and very different standards.
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Though if people disappear to work illegally they won't be getting benefits, and so won't be traceable. |
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well i certainly think we should.
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Our gov.ministers let them get away with it :mad: We, like it or not are the laughing stock of Europe,all the Europeans I know and there are many think we have all gone soft. They could well be right.:confused::confused::confused::confused: |
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I do not believe we are the laughing stock of europe... there is someway that we seem to volunteer to put ourselves down... it maybe time to think of the whole country as a force in europe and the rest of the world..but the dread brigade like to sit on the past and talk themselves into a rotten Britian...according to most posts on here we are done..beaten... but then you are coffin dodgers!
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Yes the problem is the way that Islam appears to allow for the growth of extreamists, and because they basically try to operate under the banner of Islam nobody feels safe in directly critisizing this. Is the Islamic culture as a whole, capable of co-existing or perhaps playing "second fiddle" in a Country with a totally different culture base? Or is it a culture that has to be the dominant force. Most other cultures seem to be able to tolerate diversity in quite a good way, i'm really not sure that Islam or the way some interpret Islam does. Again, one should question why Britain seems so popular to them. Surely, on the face of it other countries such as Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Turkey would appear to offer them a more familiar lifestyle base than we do in Britain, yet they are drawn to us as if by a giant magnet! We've basically had a near on open door policy for far to long, and its going to bite us on the Bum!! Part of it may indeed be our own problem because our our Island Nation status, but at the end of the day it is Our Island, and we've a right to express our thoughts and fears. We've always been wary of invasion, and thats perhaps what we are frightened of now...Invasion By Stealth!! Perhaps certain people, many politicians included are rather indifferent to this situation, maybe because they are isolated from any other culture than their own, for much of their day to day lives. I think its fair to say that we, in this part of Lancashire, have our fingers on the pulse, a little bit more than they have, and can perhaps see things now, that others will only start to see in years to come. Yes Multiculturalism is certainly here now, but does it work, and is it likely to work in the future in this Country? We live closely together around here, but in all honesty do we really mix with each other, relate to each other, spend a great deal of time with each other, by choice? Or are we too different?.
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According to figures released by the United Nations, Britain is heading to become Europe's biggest population,
Its envisaged that annual net populations migration for he period 2010-2050 will be USA 1,1m Canada 214,000 GB 174,000 Spain 170,000 Italy 159,00 Germany 110,000 Austria 100,000 France 100,000 The most crowded country in Europe with people per Square Km are:- England 395 Holland 393 Belgium 341 Germany 232 Italy 195 Luxembourg 177 Czech Rep 129 Denmark 126 Poland 118 Portugal 114 France 111 Looks like this little country of ours is getting just a bit crowded to say the least, we've got to draw a line somewhere or the bloody place will sink:( |
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Looks Like there's more chance of bumping into a Grizzly than another human being Eric:D:dancedog::dancedog:
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However, I am surprised that GB will have that density of population ... I remeber when I was being force-fed geography at Accy Grammar, that the Netherlands had by far the most people per sq. mile. Is the increase in population all due to immigration? Or are the native brits having more kids? |
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Thus increasing the amount of space each person has to park their clogs on.;):D |
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And I'm infernally grateful that you didn't mention other things that have happened since I was at school; like the extinction of the dinosaurs .......;) |
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(I think I'd better not mention another shocking piece of news just yet.) http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/greavesan...modernday.jpeg :D |
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20 years = 150 extended family............easy. :) |
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Well, I've certainly stirred up a hornets nest with this well meant debate. Interesting to get so many diverse points of view on what I feel will become a major point of focus in the next general election campaign. Tolerance has always been a recognised facet of the British nature, but boy oh boy, we are surely being sorely tested at the moment!
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Reckon I should give my soapbox a rest for a while now - the hornets are beginning to sting! |
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If you come across one in Accy or Ossy give Rindy a shout...he has a pond. If you go to Blackpool keep look out for them....If you find 'Robinson' on one and 'Crusoe' on the other you have won the jackpot....three pints of that loony broth that prompted this nonsense. :rolleyes: |
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any local councillors know anything about any such proposals ? :confused: |
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It isn't on the Observer website yet, but the launch was featured in the Telegraph. Man-made hill idea to brighten up Accrington (From Lancashire Telegraph) Bye bye Persia Steet, hello Islamabad Way. |
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I like this comment on that page Gary
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Naming streets to reflect the heritage of immigrants .... mmm, we did it here in Kingston: King Street, Queen Street, Victoria Street, Albert Street, Nelson Street, Churchill Street (also Churchill Cr., and Winston Churchill School), Queen Elizabeth High School, Balaclava Street, Wellington Street, Waterloo sub-division ... don't cause any probs. Of course, we do have a Mohawk Pl., Arrowhead St., Algonquin Terrace, to placate the people who used to own the land.:rolleyes:
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Just been down my local **** shop.. no problems and why would I expect any but for this website..
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I'd be saddened if we started purging multi-culturalism from britain. It has provided me with a fascinating education and I still ensure I get to study many cultures during my degree even though I don't have to study anything but English law if I don't want to.
I have many friends from all over the world, particular EU member states but some from outside the EU too and I go to a University with a vast variety of cultural links with some extremely intelligent students and lecturers coming on exchange and placement to bring some of their experiences and knowledge to the University. One of the most popular departments at Lancaster University is the Management School which is consistently ranked one of the top 5 in the world and its a brilliant talking point for students of all disciplines as it runs a lot of extra-curricular modules taught by various lecturers from all over the globe about current global-business issues, which provide the commercial awareness which is necessary for ALL graduate jobs. I would lose some amazing lecturers if we lost the cultures and I'd lose a lot of brilliant friends. If I wanted to live under fascist governance I'd vote for the BNP. Fortunately I have some sense, if not much according to some people. |
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Multi-culturalism doesn't kill soldiers, weapons do and from what I have gathered from television and talking to armed forces reps at careers fairs, you are informed of the risks of being killed before you join them.
I also think that whilst its sad that soldiers die so young in the army, a lot of the pride of being in the forces has been lost in this day and age. It would seem actually that the army advertises mostly to the low achievers at schools and pulls them in at a young age. If anything is bad its the army itself but then humanity as a whole isn't much better. If it was a bit better then maybe NOBODY would be murdered by another human being. I'm not anti-war though because I see it as necessary considering humanity and its attitudes towards other people in different countries and such, but I'd obviously much rather we all just got along and lost all the prejudice and stuff. |
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I do hope the fact that you haven't come across this recruitment drive, means they haven't written off Lancaster as a place of under achievers. :D |
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Though as an afterthought, I don't just go to Lancaster's careers fairs. Northern universities are generally poorly targeted by a lot of companies. Lots of them admit this themselves, shame really.
I went to London on saturday for a law fair, but then I am crazy. |
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There isn't really a north/south or old/redbrick, when it comes to employer's more favoured universtities, alhough of course Oxbridge colleges does attract more attention. It really does depend on the course, and of course grades. |
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Well the management school here is heavily targeted because its the highest ranked in the country. Generally though, northern uni's aren't targeted unless they have a strong department that they want people from. |
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RAF: Pilots, Airframe Engineers, Plotters, Navigators and many more. Navy: Dummies cant control bloody big things that they've got. There are even lawyers in all the services. Your opinion sometimes sucks Blazey....you have a lot of reading to do. :) |
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Go and shoot your dinner :rolleyes: |
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