Pub landlord jailed for allowing smoking.
 

Seems to me it's a 'strange' legal system that puts a pub landlord from Bolton in jail for six months for allowing the use of a legal tobacco product by consenting adults in his pub
Pub landlord Nick Hogan given first smoking ban jail sentence | Mail Online

yet at the same time the law only gives 4 months to an illegal immigrant with previous convictions only 4 months for the death of a 12 year old , and no deportation.
Darwen dad's anger as death driver freed (From Lancashire Telegraph)

anyone care to comment/explain ....:confused: :confused:

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it's wrong landlord should be able to give at least one room to smokers..

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to mind the explantion is what the "LAW" views more serious.:rolleyes: its another of the many examples why people like me, refuse to vote.:( we have gone to hell on n handcart, n not one of these spineless parties has the will to correct things.:(

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Have to agree with that, I don't smoke but used to quite a few years back, Germany have been fighting amongst themselves (Politicians) to score points with the voting Public. There are some concessions so smoking can take place in certain establishments, & in some States a referendum was taken & the ban has been deemed illegal.

That being said, although there is as much mistrust in Germany of the Politicians & their agendas as there is in UK they aren't ramming the EU Brussels dictates as far down the Publics throats as the UK Government, here at the moment the Germans are on the edge of gagging while you in the UK are being made physically sick, by the states absolute & literal appliance of EU dictates & this goes far beyond just the smoking ban.

Until the UK gets a ruling party immaterial of name with a spine, to tell these people(in Brussels) to go away & we'll decide what's right for the British people, guided by & with their consent the Country & it's once Proud people, will continue to get shafted, by the governing elitist whipping Boys & Girls you have to call a Government.

Smoking police ashtray ban trials - EU attacks smokers with new recommendations - News - Bild.de

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Our failing democracy has reached a stage where money is scarce and human lives are plentiful.
Result - non payment of a fine (for permitting smoking) is regarded as a greater threat to the state than the loss of life of one 'useless eater' (their term, not mine)

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Don't this just spell out how our Justis System is screwed up SJ six months for allowing smoking in his pub and four months for killing a child:mad:

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I've been running pub quizzes for 12 years and two of the less successful pubs have shut down altogether, with the smoking ban playing a heavy role. The obsessive government tactics to make us think that we're awash with drunkards hasn't helped either and it would have been better to demand segregated smoking rooms with decent ventilation.

Alcohol taxation and the greed of the breweries will ultimately kill off what remains of the pub industry until all we have left are wine bars and gastropubs. I don't smoke and it is quite nice not to stink of fags when I come home from a night out but I do miss the atmosphere of pubs packed to capacity.

A prison sentence for trying to please the customers is outright unfair but indicative of the country's policy of punishing the natives and allowing immigrants free rein.

Cashy, I understand your sentiments but even if you don't vote for one of the main parties then at least register a protest vote. It's the only voice we have left to tell the government whether they are doing a good job or not. If that's how you feel then don't waste your opportunity.

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The creeping power of the EU and successive British governments' supine attitude towards it is the elephant in the room. It won't go away and, in fact, the situation will get worse and worse, as the whole raison d'etre of the EU is greater and greater centralisation and control. Politicians try to brush it under the carpet as much as possible, rather than answer awkward questions about it, because they would prefer people not to know the truth.

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Ken I believe people have been doing just that over the last X years, how else do you explain the rise of fringe parties such as UKIP, Green, BNP etc. And how has the Government responded ? as it always does, it takes not a blind bit of notice as to what the people request or require.

They maunder along so wrapped in their own self importance, they can't see the woods for the trees. so what if the numbers are down to only 50% of those eligible to vote & decide the fate of the Country, we've the majority so we'll just do as we Damn well please & if the peasantry don't like it ! Well screw 'em We're just fine Jack !!!!

Please tell me I'm wrong in this view, but if you're honest that'll be pretty hard to do won't it.

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The truth, when you find it, is unbelievably unpleasant, and most people prefer to ignore it, hoping it will 'go away'.

By saying 'what are they going to do about it?' is just passing the buck.
What are you going to do about it?

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Marg, the rot is to deep, there isn't a lot you can do about it if the people you put in a position to stand up for & speak for your rights won't ! So long as they doff their caps & meekly submit to outside "Unelected" Authoritarianism. The Great British Lion is a meek & miserable Cur whining in the corner waiting for the next round of beatings!!

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Funny thing is if we all give up driving cars, smoking, drinking and gambling the country would go broke in a few days

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Its not far off now:rolleyes:

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All countries already are 'broke'. That is why not paying a fine was more of a threat to the state than taking a life.
The false monetary system is breaking down.
If you have owt stashed, spend it now before it is worth nowt.
I suggest stocking food and clearing mortgages.


'people who have nothing left to lose, lose it' - Gerald Cilente

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A truer word ..... I seem to recall, many years ago when I was in UK they put the price of ciggies up "to cover the cost of smokers to the NHS" which incidentally didn't get said revenue & as a result there was a marked decrease in income from Tobacco tax. As people were buying abroad so the money the Government could've had, had they not been so greedy was then filling the coffers of Countries like France & Spain, once again reaffirming the conceit & at the same time stupidity of Politicians.

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the govenment knows the no smoking law in pubs is an unpopular one and drove it through under the pretence of been for our own good and set the nation bickering amongst its self while they screwed the country up.The law had nothing to do with peoples health they want us to die young because they cant afford to care for the elderly thats why they raised the retirement age it was purely to obbey and tow the line for our european masters and god help anyone who defies the govenment on this matter

thats why the landlord got a ridiculous scentence how dare a british citizen defy europe

thats my take on this matter anyway :)

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No it won't they'll just tax something else.

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yup probably air next

http://www.gaspumpguys.com/air%20pum...ter%20%202.jpg

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Ain't been out for a while Less, is fresh air still free, use oxygen myself:D

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Aye, that they have ! when you look at some of the things you're being taxed on this whole new profusion of "GREEN TAXES", as a starting point & there talk about a "Fatboy" tax to tackle obesity in the UK ??? And don't think you'll get away with it by dying oh no ! Death Tax springs to mind .

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ya can't do anything that will actually stop the rot, if you can, ya a better man/woman than me Gunga Din.:D

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Death Tax is under consideration right now - proposed 10% levy on deceased estates.

The sad fact that faces us all is -
the population has been dumbed down by mind control TV, poor education and pollutants in food, water and medicines.

The days of mass uprisings against injustice are long gone.
The poll tax riots just wouldn't happen in the present day.

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Were this man went wrong was in flaunting the law in the face of Authority.To do this with any success you need to learn certain skills.You need to;

1) Learn the art of trickery.
2)Learn to be deceitful
3) Learn to be sneaky
4)Be conniving
5)Learn the art of juggling figures and falsifying accounts.

Follow these simple rules and who knows where you could end up.:hehetable

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Though I've belted you & flayed you,
By the livin' Gawd that made you,
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din !

Kiplings "Gunga Din" 1892. Apt Cashy, very apt, if only we had politicians who despite the beltings & flayings of Europe, would find an inner strength, of honesty, morality & obligation to their People they too would receive the accolades of Gunga Din.

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10 Downing Street:D

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Ah, the training manual for would be Politicians ! where ever did you find that ? lying round in a train somewhere ? was it in laptop/CD or paper format ? But definitely not in economy class I'll bet.

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Why bother paying the mortgage if money is worth nothing?

Might as well ditch the house while it is still worth something. :rolleyes:

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Ken, the day socialism died, n i fully understand why it did/had to, was the day i walked away from this, as graham jones, n jaysay who i regard as mates, are well aware, if it ever returns, which i doubt very much, so will i. sorry but thats me.

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Probably belonged to Nick Winterton:D

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I'm honoured to call you a mate cashy:mosher:

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Printed money will have no value but title deeds still will.
Being the owner of the roof over your head will prevent repossession by the mortgagee.

If you sell your house you will have a lovely bank balance worth nothing

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The law is the law though.
Even if at times it does appear to be similar to a donkey it should be up held.

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Quite possible Jay but the list of suspects is extremely long ! I know why don't they get those would be investigators, you know the ones from the other thread to pore over the old dossiers, blow me multi tasking & saving the Government a fortune already, perchance Accy web should run the Country we've enough sensible people on here.

Failing that, some of the Political personages who frequent these sides should point their masters in the general direction of these pages so they may glean the perceptions & opinions of the everyday individual.

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No I wrote the latest edition taking into account all available information from the politicians little green book of scams.:confused::D:D

Should we all have a book to tell us right from wrong?

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:rolleyes: people thinking like this have got us where we are today:rolleyes:
....a broken bankrupt corrupted society

Laws, as in Common Law, were beneficial
Government statutes benefit only the corrupt state controllers.

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Is that published by Harper Hey Beni:D

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Sadly Neil it's opinions like that, that have brought Britain to the crippling state she's in. "The law is the law" doesn't make that law correct as most of these Laws are imposed by a non elected body in Europe who then pass it to member states to apply as they deem sensible.

If that was the case, why then are the same rules ( for all member states) that Govern UK life not so vigorously applied in other European Countries ? As I've stated elsewhere the application of Laws in UK are applied more towards control of the populace than protection & security of its citizens.

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So who should decide which laws we ignore then?

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Non elected body in Europe and sensible don't site too well in the same statement Dave:rolleyes:

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Some people are finding non violent ways to 'opt out'
Important Freeman On The Land Definitions And Information | Exploring Infinity

The other alternatives are -
1 put up with it
2 anarchy

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well it seems in some european countries the goverment decides which is best fer its people, hence smoking in bars in spain,:rolleyes:

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They should be applied on a common sense basis, the Politicians should work together with each other (hard I know) as it is supposed to be for the benefit of the greater Public. Also taking into account views of Police, Lawyers & members of the Public, that is what democracy is supposedly about.

This would then mean that if there is any likelihood of issues arising from the implementation of these "Laws" they would be defined from the very start & the required remedial action could be taken to correct the problem. Also added to this when a new Government comes into the picture there can be no bleating as to "It was before our time & there's nothing we can do about it. " because they would've been implicit in its implication.

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This Government decided what was best for us - a lot of people don't agree though.

I wonder if they will remember that at election time.

How many drinking smokers will vote Labour therefore agreeing with the decision to ban smoking in pubs?

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That is just the point though "This Government" discussion, referendum, consultation, all valid words & that is all they are to the present ruling classes they keep using them, but will not in any way consider using them in case they upset the EU. What about the British People ? obviously their opinions don't count or matter it appears.

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me :D

ok US

its about time government was taken down a peg or two and made to remember that they are there to serve us and not elected to be another countries whipping boy or slave.What government has forgotten is that it is elected to look out for OUR interests not that of another nation

most people couldnt give a hoot about iraq and saw no need for us to go to war but Tony blair wanted it to happen so MP's totaly ignored whattehir constituants wanted and voted in favour of teh war becaus ethey were affraid of upseting their boss

what they forgot was that WE are their boss's boss and he is supposed to answer to us

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The politicians you elect find out pretty quick that they are just 'front men', and have to do as they are told and gain, or behave with a human concience and suffer.

The real power and the direction of world policies is decided behind the scenes at places like Bilderburg meetings.

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I would like to hear what the prospective parliamentarians for Hyndburn, from all parties, have to say on this particular subject!

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Further to the above, yes sadly the "British Public" & I use that term loosely (due to the fact that ethnic British have been so diluted by "New British" brought in by New Labour to boost their popularity) does not give a true & accurate reflection of the Peoples views. The present crop of Buffoons would never have received the votes they did.

Had they placed the facts out for the populace to truly see the world of misery they were heading into, the outcome would've been so much more different than the experience of today. But that would suggest Leaders with honesty, integrity & a sense of fairness to all their peoples, but as has been proved time & time again most of them are in it for themselves.The higher ideals & debt of care for her citizens has been discarded without a jot of remorse to those who now suffer due to Political disrespect.

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I won't disagree with that because most of it is true.

The rise in fringe parties is purely because more and more people are tired of not having their views listened to on certain matters, for example the interference from the EU in British affairs. Sooner or later, the main parties are going to have to address these issues head on or face the fact that they won't be the main parties anymore if enough people keep voting for groups such as UKIP and the BNP.

I would still urge everyone to vote for the candidate that most closely reflects their views. It is up to all parties to listen to the voice of the people they are trying to represent and do what is best for each community. If they don't listen and other parties get more votes then they only have themselves to blame.

However, for them to listen properly it requires people to vote and use that voice.

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Should there be doubts to the veracity of the statement in post 48, please look here :

MigrationWatchUK

Labour’s mass immigration policy was politically inspired

February 10, 2010

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You'll never need to apologise to me for having definite views on anything. I respect your standpoint and I'm sure that you're not alone.

Our vote is the only real instrument we have left to punish or reward those in power, I'm just keen to see it used by everyone so that we have more chance of getting the right people in place across the country.

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Ken you seem like a genuine bloke & appear to have peoples interests at heart but how can you justify the evidence of your own eyes ? You've seen the views of the folk here & I assume elsewhere ! what happens when you tell your superiors about how the masses feel ?

Will they listen to you & take your views on board ? Now I've not been involved with this forum very long, but it appears that there are a few well respected members on here who, due to their integrity & honest desire to see the right thing done, have walked away from their Political affiliations because the Parties will not take on what is being explained to them.

Now if these Party Stalwarts are getting fobbed off after all their years of allegiance, how does that provoke "Joe Bloke " to feel ? Would you also have the integrity to walk away from the deceitful & self serving Political classes too should your valid & educated points be ignored ?

As to the Candidates who most closely reflect their views, they appear to be few & far between, as most of them do not seem to be existing on the same material plane as the rest of us !

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People do the oddest things, if CDs had been a fiver instead over £15 when they came out they could have avoided all the illegal downloads and made more money the dozy and it's the same with taxes, only the people on PAYE pay the full amount due, anyway I thought the Government was moaning because we live to long

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Could we have a link to some official Government site that states that the 12 year old that died was, (post #1), a 'useless eater', otherwise could you please keep your ramblings to yourself, you hurtful person!
:mad:

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As much as I hate cigarette smoke I have to think that this punishment was a bit OTT.

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I best quote it so you wont abuse her if she replies to you :rolleyes::D

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He was jailed for not paying a fine, not for allowing people to smoke.

The two are seperate issues.

I could be jailed for not paying a speeding fine in the same way. Many people have been jailed for not paying TV licence fines.

Have you seen this thread?

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err um ya I started it:rolleyes:

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I was not asking you :tongueout

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:moon::moon::moon::thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

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The term 'useless eaters' was first used when the Kissinger Report was produced in 1974
It is now declassified and available here-
NSSM 200 Kissinger Genocide Report 1974
It is an agenda for planet depopulation.

Since then, the phrase 'useless eater' has become comon in popular culture to denote a consumer who contibutes nothing.
I did say '(their phrase not mine)' -please pay attention.:rolleyes:

Just google 'useless eaters' for 111,000 places where you can become 'enlightened':rolleyes:

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The smoking ban contributed to the cost of fuel now being £1.10 per litre, and when they ban supermarkets from selling cheap booze that will not improve the population of the drinking establishments, it will though, further harm the revenue the government brings in from alcohol, so dont be surprised to see £1.20 at the petrol pumps very soon, meanwhile, the banks will continue to be propped up by the taxpayer, the privatised industries will continue to rob you blind, and the only winners will be, as usual, the fatcats and politicians.

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i wonder whats after fuel though because they have already started teh process of deeming anyone who has a car to be utter scum just like they did with people who smoke then now people who drink

just before they started planning the increasing of booze prices they released statistics on how booze is to blame for everything that is wrong in society from domestic violence to vandalism and a whole load of other crimes inbetween

when the wanted to bring in the smoking ban they bleeted on about how much the smokers were costing the NHS neglecting to mention that it was tax from ciggarettes that has been the backbone of teh NHS for many many years and even got it into peoples heads that passive smoking kills despite there been no proof of it only theories

will the torys follow a different line if they get in power instead of targeting things we need or enjoy

will they hell :rolleyes:


cars are killing the planet they say , we must be green they say but not one damn thing has been done to stop big companies poluting or using more sensible amounts of packaging on their products and we get taxed to hilt on anyting we enjoy while big corporations are not been held accountable

every time a govenment wants to tax somthing they make it out to be a danger or somthing to be ashamed of and drive a wedge between the nation making them argue amongst themselves rather than look at teh real problem which is teh govenment

no one was moaning about smoking in pubs until the govenment started stiring tehir wooden spoon and then got eveyone argueing about somthing they didnt really care about

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So, your best example is an American Document from 1974?

I noticed you said their phrase not mine, I am paying attention to how low you can get. You are the person that found it necessary to repeat it as one of your poor excuses of scaremongering.
The child mentioned in post #1 and her family do not deserve such a comparison to be applied by the likes of you under any circumstances, you are a really sick woman to have plumbed such depths and should be ashamed of yourself.

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Margaret - Please take Less of your ignore list so I don't have to keep quoting him so you can see his reply.

It really is about time you two got a room and sorted your urges out :p:D

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I'm a bit of a new boy myself to these forums and thanks for the compliments. I can fully understand your disillusionment and it's part of the reason I've got involved with local politics to start with.

However, what I'm saying is that you should vote simply because you have the power to influence the political setup. If, for example, you feel particularly strongly that Brussels or Strasbourg are having far too much influence in the running of Great Britain and that the government (whoever they might be at the time) are allowing it to happen but you don't feel that the opposition party will do anything about it either, then vote for UKIP or another party just to show that the main parties are not doing the job you want.

It might not be that you particularly want UKIP (purely as an example) in power and feel it is an unlikely eventuality in any case but if fringe parties gain uncomfortably large support then the main parties would be foolish to ignore the views of the people on those issues.

I am representing Labour in Rishton on May 6th and I would hope that people would vote for me because they believe I have the best interests of the village at heart rather than simply seeing a red badge. I am fortunate to have a very good support network headed by Graham Jones and I am already working with several community groups and the Rishton Labour councillor, Harry Grayson, to fix things in the town.

I personally am disenchanted with faceless councillors who only pop up for a photoshoot instead of those that listen to residents. Graham and Harry are very hands-on with the voters and do take on board what is said to them.

At a local level, it really doesn't take much of an effort to make small changes if you really want to. You don't even need to be a politician but it does require a listening ear which is where we both agree and I admit that this is where my argument stumbles if you don't know your local candidates.

Graham's philosophy is that every voter should see the candidates that they are being asked to vote for, which I firmly agree with since I don't think I would vote for someone on blind faith either.

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The Folk in UK have tried this approach, voting for someone else to make a point, hence the rise in popularity of the lesser Parties. But what has it brought ? on the evidence of it very little. The big league Parties are still dominating the situation albeit with a lesser majority & the People feel cheated & disillusioned with it all, ergo voter apathy.

The only way where it seems to partially work is in a coalition, this is very apparent here in Germany. To enable a Party to gain power ( because of a positive majority) they have to rely on power sharing with another Party, who because of their acquiescence, can & do receive considerations to their points of view, there by allowing a partial if not full blown placing of their policies.

This form of compromise works to the benefit of both sides, but their true focus should be towards the Peoples they represent. But sadly the modern day Politicians have forgotten their remit ! They have been put in a position of "TRUST" to represent their Citizens, in all aspects of Life & Welfare with the aim of good governance for the benefit of the People. A creed which many have forgotten or more to the point blatantly ignore.

We are told often enough that times are difficult & that WE the British People will have to tighten our belts, make sacrifices & endure hardship for the betterment of the Country. Well & good , people can accept this as long as they see fairness & improvement in their situation. What they are actually seeing is the injustice in the system & Politicians of all stripes helping themselves to the detriment of the Country & lesser folk.

How can it be justified for a Husband & Wife, middle aged couple (Politicians) to claim expenses for a (2nd) home in the Country with all the trimmings, plus whatever else they're creaming off running into the thousands at the expense of the public. When Mr & Mrs Blogs both pensioned off, spent all their lives working, having to rely on the pitiful pension they're given, living in a 2 up 2 down terraced house that they don't own because they had to sell it off to make ends meet, be right ?

Who is making the sacrifices here ? until this changes the British public will remain contemptuous of the Political classes & their empty words. They want the Public backing (Politicians), well show them some decency & respect, those People who put them there.

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Blind faith, I always thought that was the first article in the Labour Party constitution;)

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There are many from all parties that are that mis-guided.

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this one ain't:D

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Due to circumstances we've seen your faith take a knock so does that just leave blind?
:p

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still have the same values Less, unlike Labour supporters who burnt theirs on the altar of electability, when they endorsed New Labour:rolleyes:

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...closely followed by those who heartily embraced the new look Tory-Lite party, when they realised, because all the political pundits told them, that unless they ditched all their old principles, they'd be unelectable for the foreseeable future.

;)

(I do have access to a hoodie, if you feel the need to hug me, for pointing this out.)

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Labour abandoned Socialism, The Tories still hold their capitalist ethos end of story, or none story in this case:p

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Maybe my glasses need changing but I don't see any replies to me query. I don't smoke now, so no axe to grind, but do these people who want to represent Hyndburn have an opinion of thier own on the question of smoking areas in Pubs - I can honestly state that somewhere around 50% of the bars here allow smoking.

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...and when did they ditch democracy, especially at grassroots level?

:rolleyes:

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Here also, you go into some pubs & folk are happily smoking away with out a care in the world, sat in a Bistro last night with friends some of whom smoke, they got up wandered away about 5 metres to the smoking room. Last week in a little German Pub place full of smokers sat at the bar fags on the counter & smoking.

Landlord totally unconcerned, even handing out matches to them that had no lighter, with the pub name on them too !! Strange considering the supposed total ban across Europe, could it be that other Countries aren't quite so draconian & controlling of their Citizenry ???

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Well said Dave! You can obviously speak from experience, I too can speak from my own experience as a plumbing and heating engineer when I say that the reason more people die from faulty boilers (which are not used as much as here), is because they dont adhere to building regulations the same either, yet my qualifications are set in Brussels and the certificates issued in some cases from Zurich.

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Germans have enjoyed fags in their bars since the Kaiser's day.

Some bars were exclusively reserved for the enjoyment of fags.

:D

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is it true you can still smoke in the house of commons bars ?

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it was after smoking ban was introduced scoot66, i think now its been stopped? sure someone will correct if not the case.

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MPs plan Pugin-style smoking shelter | Politics | guardian.co.uk just found this.

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The BNP gain a couple of boroughs each time there are local elections and now have an MEP as well. This ruffled quite a few feathers and afterwards, coincidentally or not, there was a spate of deportations and a perceived review of Visa laws. There was even talk of taking measures on immigration to cap the UK population at 70m.

I myself am very skeptical that any major reforms have taken place (although I don't speak for anyone else) but a recent opinion poll put UKIP in second place just ahead of Labour. I don't give much credence to any of them as each poll is conducted in such a way as to give a certain result but even so if I were Prime Minister that would certainly give me food for thought.

I've never lived through a coalition government but if it truly does benefit the people and allows both sides of the fence an equal hearing then it doesn't sound an entirely bad thing. I'm sure there is evidence from Winston Churchill's time to argue against it but it's still an interesting idea.

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i like the bit were it says they`ve been having a crafty smoke in their offices,very schoolkids behind the bikesheds :D:D:D

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i thought they can smoke in teh house of commons but as a courtesy to us they dont voulentary

now if they could only show us a bit more courtesty and stop treating us like naughty children and also ask US about important decisions like the EU and give us that damn referendum we are owed that woudl be super

if france can stick two fingers up at europe whenver it fancies im sure we can do it once

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Smoking isn't allowed in the Houses of Parliament.

They were going to exempt themselves, until it became public knowledge, and the cries of hypocrisy made them have a change of heart.

:rolleyes:

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so basicaly as usual they told us to do one thing but are preppard to do another themslves and only retract when caught

if they think we wont want the same thing as them they dont ask us and ignore us like were nothing i bet if public opinion was for teh EU we would have got a referendum but they knew damn well the overwhelming majority were gainst it so didnt ask.

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RINDA !! :D pack it in !!! :D yer a bad man, behave yourself !!! :D :D

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Labour have democracy at grass routs level when it suits them, unfortunately you can't ask George Slynn about this as he's no longer with us

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Hypocrisy at the heart of government heaven forbid:D

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Like Britain, France's cultural identity has been affected by the smoking ban, with many places seeing their bars and cafe-tabacs closing down, but it looks like the French are fighting back. Which isn't like them at all. They usually surrender staraight away.

What Smoking Ban? The French Are Lighting Up in Public Again - TIME

:D

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They surrender much earlier than that Rindi:D

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A certain airport in Spain now has an unofficial smoking area, so that didn't last long either.:mosher:

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Gran Canaria airport has an offical outdoor smoking area.
The rest of the island has ignored the smoking ban too.

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Spain,France, Germany, all seem to be seeing the light, have they left the E.U.? have they hell, for whatever reason they are looking at this through the "Publics" glasses, i wonder what the voting statistics are in those countrys?:confused: bet a higher percentage than ours.?

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but we are great brittain and our stiff upper lip must be shown to set an example even when teh example isnt ours to be concerned about :rolleyes:

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Come on cashy you know as well as I do only GB plays by the rules all the rest just go:thefinger:thefinger

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In ref to posts 91 & 92, standard French Army issue please see

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...king-knife.jpg

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Na Dave there's a tool on the French Knife:D

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And a very good tool it is.:tongueout:D