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jaysay 07-08-2010 14:55

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 834830)
Some people still do think it is cool to smoke. I have the occasional cigarette when I'm in the mood but generally I think it is a bad habit. I'd hate to be smoking like it was a necessary part of my daily routine.

The next time you think about having a ciggy blazey, think again and then don't;)

Gordon Booth 07-08-2010 15:00

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Think how much money the state would have saved if you hadn't given up smoking,jaysay!And I could have come over and got my hands on those two bottles of Spey.

jaysay 07-08-2010 15:00

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 834832)
But it is about medical issues, but medical issues that are affected by racial and cultural problems...the two cannot be divorced, well, not if you want a meaningful debate about the issues involved.

Well to me Margaret its not a medical issue, its a needless medical procedure brought about through racial bigotry, and the oppression of women who are treated like second class citizens who have to kowtow to their male counterparts

jaysay 07-08-2010 15:03

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Originally Posted by kikine (Post 834841)
I agree it shouldn't be done on the NHS but can understand the need for these women to have it done. Before we know it we will be funding female circumcision which is still practised in many countries on young girls.:(

I was wondering if that would crop up, there was a program on telly bout that a few years ago, I think its illegal even in the far east. I too can understand the need for these women to have this done, but not on the NHS

kikine 07-08-2010 15:19

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 834857)
I was wondering if that would crop up, there was a program on telly bout that a few years ago, I think its illegal even in the far east. I too can understand the need for these women to have this done, but not on the NHS

It may be illegal but it is still widely practised in the backwoods, Egypt and Yemen Somalia to name but a few. There are also many in the UK at risk from this horrific practise. These women are mutilated from as young as 3 years old.

jaysay 07-08-2010 15:21

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Originally Posted by kikine (Post 834867)
It may be illegal but it is still widely practised in the backwoods, Egypt and Yemen Somalia to name but a few. There are also many in the UK at risk from this horrific practise. These women are mutilated from as young as 3 years old.

And its usually the older women that do it too:mad:

Restless 08-08-2010 07:42

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Another example of how crazy religion can be.
What if the muslim woman was actually a virgin and she accidentally ruptured her hymen, say perhaps during sports like bicycling, horseback riding, gymnastics etc??

Margaret Pilkington 08-08-2010 08:22

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Restless, when did you last see a muslim woman riding either a bike or a horse?
All of the pursuits you mention are not permitted in the muslim religion.

Less 08-08-2010 08:29

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 834833)
And you think that that tax on the tobacco goes to pay for treatment of all smoking related diseases Less?

No I don't, but I also don't think attacking smokers, non of whom that I know go around deliberately breaking Muslim Women's Hymens is relevent to the argument.

:D

It is stupid to compare the two, just as it would be stupid if someone was to say, money could go towards this needless operation by depriving Cancer patients of life saving treatment, because the two things are completely different.
:)

Restless 08-08-2010 08:33

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haha got me there. I didn't know they wasn't allowed to ride horses

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 835053)
Restless, when did you last see a muslim woman riding either a bike or a horse?
All of the pursuits you mention are not permitted in the muslim religion.


jaysay 08-08-2010 08:52

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 835054)
No I don't, but I also don't think attacking smokers, non of whom that I know go around deliberately breaking Muslim Women's Hymens is relevent to the argument.

:D

It is stupid to compare the two, just as it would be stupid if someone was to say, money could go towards this needless operation by depriving Cancer patients of life saving treatment, because the two things are completely different.
:)

They may be different but the money still comes from the already overstretched purse;)

Acrylic-bob 08-08-2010 09:45

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An operation to fool your new husband and his family into thinking that you are as pure as the driven snow? Thats a good start to married life. How deeply moral, robustly ethical and ridiculously holier-than-thou.

The self-imposed limitations of religious minorities are just that; SELF-IMPOSED. I cannot see that they have any reasonable argument why the rest of us should either recognise or respect them, much less fund them!

Benipete 08-08-2010 09:52

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 835059)
They may be different but the money still comes from the already overstretched purse;)

I do think the use of the word overstretched in this instance is a bit below the belt.

However as these Gynae Units are up and running and already being paid for I see no reason If thy are going through a slack period why this simple procedure should not be allowed.If only to keep their hands in so to speak.;)

Margaret Pilkington 08-08-2010 10:20

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 835087)
I do think the use of the word overstretched in this instance is a bit below the belt.

However as these Gynae Units are up and running and already being paid for I see no reason If thy are going through a slack period why this simple procedure should not be allowed.If only to keep their hands in so to speak.;)


Although it is almost 8 years since I retired, I am fairly sure that no Gynea unit ever has much of a slack period......as said before this is a very small number of procedures when taking the total female population into consideration.

And Less, you are spot on with your post.(number 54 for anyone who isn't sure which post I mean)

jaysay 08-08-2010 10:24

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 835087)
I do think the use of the word overstretched in this instance is a bit below the belt.

However as these Gynae Units are up and running and already being paid for I see no reason If thy are going through a slack period why this simple procedure should not be allowed.If only to keep their hands in so to speak.;)

Well they can keep their hand in so long as we ain't paying for it;)


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