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lancsdave 07-03-2011 15:35
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 889045)
The article in the Observer still claims they are saving £10,000.

Can one of the Tory councillors please inform us how this saving has been calculated ?

Toilets closure flushed away in Labour plan | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

I've not had much time to check this thread over the past few days. Can somebody trawl back for me and find where a Tory Councillor has answered my question, I think I've missed it :rolleyes:

accyman 07-03-2011 15:36
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 889976)
I've not had much time to check this thread over the past few days. Can somebody trawl back for me and find where a Tory Councillor has answered my question, I think I've missed it :rolleyes:
good idea you didnt hold your breath mate you would be passed out long ago :rolleyes:

garinda 07-03-2011 15:38
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 889971)
Where? There were declarations of interest at the Council meeting on 18th January, but that was over the question of Wednesday opening and two weeks before the toilets were closed.

No interests were declared at the Cabinet meeting on 8th February, nor the Resources Overview and Scrutiny meeting on 15th February, nor the Council meeting on 1st March.
I'm fairly sure that it was posted on here, that two councillors, Haworth and Britcliffe declared an interest, when there was a meeting regarding the Market Hall.

It's probably somewhere in the Market Hall refurbishment thread, and I think was in regards to the enforced Wednesday opening. So would have been last autumn.

I preume it was posted by an AW member who was present, so perhaps they'll confirm this.

gynn 07-03-2011 15:46
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 889973)
Was the decision about the toilets actually brought up at a council meeting or was it a decision made elsewhere ?
If it was made elsewhere, but discussed at the Scrutiny Committee, then the declaration of interest should have been there. The minutes of the Scrutiny Committee of 15th February are clear that the Peel Street Toilets were discussed.

shillelagh 07-03-2011 15:48
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 889915)
We have now got a petition going for re-opening ( yes we are still bleating Cllr Haworth ) . There is one in our shop, the newsagents next door and the kiosk on the corner so far.
i just signed it when i was down town ..... :D

jaysay 07-03-2011 17:47
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 889915)
We have now got a petition going for re-opening ( yes we are still bleating Cllr Haworth ) . There is one in our shop, the newsagents next door and the kiosk on the corner so far.
If you do one on line even I could sign it Dave:D

jaysay 07-03-2011 17:49
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 889965)
You may jest, but because I've got Parkinson's disease signing my names a bit of a nightmare. With either hand.

Luckily there's nothing wrong with my voice, and after explaining the whole sorry fiasco, my companion tomorrow will be eager to sign as well.

She might even hold the petition for me, whilst I attempt to scrawl my moniker.

:D
She's a lovely Lass is your Mum G:D

jaysay 07-03-2011 17:51
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 889976)
I've not had much time to check this thread over the past few days. Can somebody trawl back for me and find where a Tory Councillor has answered my question, I think I've missed it :rolleyes:
Printing those keep the bogs open T-Shirts must be taking up lots of your time Dave:D

garinda 07-03-2011 17:52
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 890002)
If you do one on line even I could sign it Dave:D
If the petition's on separate pieces of paper, I'll bring one for you to sign, and get it back to them on Saturday.

I still owe you a pie and a custard.

So two birds, one stone.

:D

jaysay 07-03-2011 17:52
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 889977)
good idea you didnt hold your breath mate you would be passed out long ago :rolleyes:
Ya that's something I don't recommend:rolleyes:

jaysay 07-03-2011 17:54
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 890008)
If the petition's on separate pieces of paper, I'll bring one for you to sign, and get it back to them on Saturday.

I still owe you a pie and a custard.

So two birds, one stone.

:D
Seems alright to me:D

Ken Moss 08-03-2011 06:58
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 889978)
I'm fairly sure that it was posted on here, that two councillors, Haworth and Britcliffe declared an interest, when there was a meeting regarding the Market Hall.

It's probably somewhere in the Market Hall refurbishment thread, and I think was in regards to the enforced Wednesday opening. So would have been last autumn.

I preume it was posted by an AW member who was present, so perhaps they'll confirm this.
Cllrs Britcliffe and Pam Barton declared an interest in the debate at full council over having a vote on 6-day trading, beyond that nothing that I can recall.

The decision to close the Peel Street toilets was apparently a Cabinet decision, it has never been put to full council for debate. A quick scan of the recent Cabinet minutes should show up if Cllr Britcliffe declared a personal and prejudicial interest although I must admit that I cannot find the reference myself.

Cabinet

garinda 08-03-2011 07:30
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 890140)
Cllrs Britcliffe and Pam Barton declared an interest in the debate at full council over having a vote on 6-day trading, beyond that nothing that I can recall.

The decision to close the Peel Street toilets was apparently a Cabinet decision, it has never been put to full council for debate. A quick scan of the recent Cabinet minutes should show up if Cllr Britcliffe declared a personal and prejudicial interest although I must admit that I cannot find the reference myself.

Cabinet

As has been posted before, if the closure was about saving money, a comperative study should have been carried out. Working out if closing the Market Hall or the Peel Street toilets would be most cost effective, before making any decision.

In to the equation they should also have compared which public toilet had the greatest ease of access, especially for those with mobility issues, as well as parents with buggies, and the fact that a whole section of people aren't allowed on to the balcony level of the Market Hall, because of age restrictions.

In the commercial world, a comperative study would have been the very first thing that was carried out, to decide where most savings could be found, with the least inconvenience to the people of the town.

Ken Moss 08-03-2011 07:48
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 890142)
In the commercial world, a comperative study would have been the very first thing that was carried out, to decide where most savings could be found, with the least inconvenience to the people of the town.
There have been several decisions taken for which I have failed to find any form of performance standards to determine success or failure. It would be my own first action before taking any commercial decision and has stood me in good stead for 10 years.

Basic scientific principles of things such as market research are something I believe in very strongly before making decisions, particularly with public money, and it is something I will continue advocating when the council eventually shifts away from Conservative control.

Gynn has identified the point regarding a prejudicial interest in making the decision to close the toilets on Peel Street, something which in any situation would be dealt with in a serious manner.

I think it is worth asking.

Benipete 08-03-2011 07:56
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 890142)
As has been posted before, if the closure was about saving money, a comperative study should have been carried out. Working out if closing the Market Hall or the Peel Street toilets would be most cost effective, before making any decision.

In to the equation they should also have compared which public toilet had the greatest ease of access, especially for those with mobility issues, as well as parents with buggies, and the fact that a whole section of people aren't allowed on to the balcony level of the Market Hall, because of age restrictions.

In the commercial world, a comperative study would have been the very first thing that was carried out, to decide where most savings could be found, with the least inconvenience to the people of the town.
There you go again putting common sense before commerce.:D

At least for one interested party.;):D:D


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