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And there you have it guys, it's official..

BBC News - Theresa May: Tories to consider leaving European Convention on Human Rights

Vote Tory next time and they will 'consider' opting out of the Human Rights fiasco. Add to the fact that they will also 'consider' having a yes/no vote on membership of the EU providing they can agree how the yes/no question is worded..what free thinking enlightened member of Joe Public could possibly fail to vote for them next time....

*sigh* how little this government values the intelligence of the electorate...

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Totally agree Guinness, well there is one vote here they won't be getting (if I'm still around to cast it)either Cameron makes concrete promises about Europe, or jaysay is voting UKIP

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I wouldn't vote for him even if he did make a "concrete promise". Last time he promised a referendum it was "cast iron" and look what happened to that!

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It's a well known fact "cast iron" is really brittle & shatters without any effort whatsoever.

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But as Churchill said: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

I know he was a tory, but he had the best idea of how to go into Europe. He called it D-Day;)

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Ted Teeth did it with a pen, but it wasn't anything like Europe as we know it today, we had a referendum in the 70s asking if we wanted to stay in the common market, as it was called then, I'm sure if people had have known what Europe would become back then there wouldn't have been a cat in hells chance of a yes vote:(

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Common Market wasn't a bad idea ... like NAFTA, it was economically inevitable. But this giving up of sovreignty? I don't go along with that. We are America's largest trading partner, their major supplier of oil and uranium. But, we are still Canada. We pursue an independent foreign policy: We recognize Cuba, and we didn't participate in Iraq. Someone ... I don't know who ... once said that Canadians are unarmed Americans with universal health care:D But it's more than that. Giving up national identity is the one thing any country should avoid. What surprises me is that the tories are not more eurosceptic than they are. If I were Cameron, I would risk holding a binding, simply worded referendum in the very near future. Such a ballsey move might get him a majority in the next general election. What the hell, he's got nothing to lose ... and everything to gain.

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I was stationed in the Outer Hebrides when that referendum was held - the Western Isles voted NO - probably because of the quite large number of Army and R.A.F. personnel stationed there who had experienced life in Germany and who just didn't have much faith in the vision of a united democratic Europe - Germany & France had never been big on democratic rule.

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Think you've hit the nail on the head there Eric, the Brownie points he'd gain are endless, the only person who wouldn't be happy is Mr. Ed:D

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so the tories want to raise revenue,so what do they do yes they axe the tax man.BBC News - Tax: HMRC to close all of its 281 Enquiry Centres

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Thats what i call really taking the pish.:( as anyone who has ever tried ringing em will no doubt verify.

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Seems like sense to me getting shut of something that isn't fit for purpose, and this certainly wasn't fit for purpose

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Will you still be agreeing with everything they do when they start loading cattle trucks with the sick and the unemployed to re-locate them?

Perhaps that's what they need all the two bed-roomed houses for? They would be able to fit about 15 families into each room when the time comes!!!!!

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Have you ever tried ring HM Customs and Revenue, its a flaming nightmare as my other half found out, if it ain't working why keep it, only common sense really

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It's nice to know they're looking to find all 1300 staff alternate jobs. So- inconvenience the public, no problem. Get rid of 1300 staff- no way.
How nice to know they have 1300 vacancies.
The savings from closing offices/branches has always been mainly from staff savings. Not if you're in the civil service, the savings are from saying 'to hell' with the customers who pay your wages.