Originally Posted by Less (Post 1050858)

Of course, it's the same one you've ignored all the time.

Do not blame the innocent and vulnerable claimants along with the guilty scroungers just because this is the easiest method to make it look like you are doing something.
Using propaganda to blame all the Countries hardships on this group of people isn't fair nor is it useful.
There are investigators to find the thieves without punishing the legitimate Citizens.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1050888)

Are the british a race - or a nation?
It seems to me that we bend over backwards to accommodate the needs and wishes of other nations, but are reticent about looking out for our own people.

Whoever comes to these shores(it seems) gets looked after. Try going to any other country and expecting the same treatment. I think you would be left to fend for yourself...and many countries would just tell you to 'something off'.......you just wouldn't get past immigration control.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1050902)

They live, and send money back home......draw(generous) benefits for children in Poland....and this benefits not our economy, but theirs.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1050906)

the eu usa trade treaty to be signed in 2 months will mean you can buy healthcare from the us of a read into that.bye bye nhs.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1050909)

Certainly with you on this one Cashy - like you I have lived abroad and I have also worked in foreign climes for over 20 years - you either learn the language or pay for an interpreter - no multi-languge forms, and you don't get any of the social services/benefits that immigrants qualify for when they come here.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1050913)

These investigations are always ongoing year in year out, the fact that over 8,000 people decided to throw the towel in and stop claiming when it was announced speaks volumes to just how many cheats are out there.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1050919)

I would think any real cheats, are still getting away with it, that figure of 8,000 that you bandy about could be because of 8,000 different reasons and not because they were cheats. I can't prove it one way or the other and neither can you, but I won't agree that a system that picks on the genuinely needy at the same time as supposedly targeting the cheats is the right way to go.

Nor do I think someone that has needed to be kept on benefits can be so selfish as to say that it's wrong to provide the same security they got to others that may be equally or even more needy.

What is it they say about evil triumphing when good men do nothing?

Well, there are a great many 'good' men willing to sacrifice others that deserve the same as they got.

Not to worry though, once a society stops looking after it's weak and hinting that they are the cause of the not so weak, having problems, it's not long before the powers extend the definitions of those they consider weak and useless.

Perhaps coming to a situation like yours at just the stroke of a pen?

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1050929)

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online :eek::p:D a bit of truth in there.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1050931)

The Daily Mail you've got a cheek

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1050929)

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online :eek::p:D a bit of truth in there.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1050929)

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online :eek::p:D a bit of truth in there.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1050930)

I ask again how would you suggest we stop this benefit fraud, you only say what shouldn't be done, exactly what's been going on for years and allowed to escalate out of all proportions.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1050941)

I ask how someone that's been on benefits for twenty years can deny that same care to anyone in a similar position, yet you still do.

There are investigators that investigate there should be no need to target all on benefit as if it's them that caused your problems, these folk are like you, powerless others made the decisions of how the system was set up.
If the system needs changing then it should be done humanely not by blaming all that are on benefits.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1050946)

I give up forget it you obvious think the status quo is fine carry on I won't be around long enough to bother about it