Creationism versus Evolution

jambutty · 28-04-2006, 12:31

Christian religion tries to teach us that God made the world in 6 days or was it the Universe. When this miraculous event occurred seems to be a closely guarded secret although 6,000 years is a time scale being banded about.

Science tries to tell us that the Universe is some 4.5 billion years old and the Earth a bit younger.

If the Creationists are right can they explain the dinosaurs? We have fossil evidence to establish that dinosaurs actually existed millions of years ago and that is a long way back from 6,000 years. We also have fossil evidence that the homo sapien has existed for more than 6,000 years. In both cases radio carbon dating, although not accurate to the century let alone a year, can differentiate between thousands and millions years.

Evolution is a proven scientific fact otherwise how can we explain racehorses and dogs. It may well be man made evolution by selective breeding but it is still evolution. The same can be said for a variety of plants – edible and decorative. Without selective breeding we would not have wheat, rice, corn etc. Or maybe the first farmers found a stalk of wheat that had more ears on it than the rest and its seeds were planted instead of being eaten. Thus wheat evolved naturally.

Natural evolution occurs when the marrying of genes isn’t as exact as is desired. Tiny mistakes happen and one such mistake could make the offspring slightly different in a good way or a bad way. After that it is a question of survival of the fittest. The good survives to procreate some more, the bad is consigned to nature’s dustbin. Siamese twins is an extreme example and I know one person who was born with three kidneys and also had six toes on each foot.

However there may just be a middle path between the two philosophies. The 6 days may be Universal days that equate to our billions of our years and there was some sort of divine intervention thousands of years ago to selectively breed chimpanzees into homo sapiens, or it could have been just a pure accident.

Until someone produces documentary evidence to back the Creationists view and not just stories from the past (the Bible etc) I have to go along with the Evolution theory.

Have I opened a can of worms?

garinda · 28-04-2006, 12:42

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Have I opened a can of worms?

No you've been listening to the Jerermy Vine show that's all.

nicola68 · 28-04-2006, 12:51

Reading this is like being in my psychology class......... which is where I would be if the tutor wasn't ill (oh wot a shame!!)

NicolaX

Nell · 28-04-2006, 14:15

It seems to me that all creationism needs is faith, something i cant quite grasp. There is evidence for evolution and thats that. Whatever the belief however its the future we should be more interested in.

West Ender · 28-04-2006, 15:03

I once had a discussion along these lines with a Jehovah's Witness who was trying to sell me the Watchtower. He had an answer to every argument I brought up. Fossils? Put there by God. Why? To be part of the earth. Carbon dating? Figures made up by scientists. Evidence of Continental drift? All arranged by God as part of the pattern. Finally, I asked him why he thought his god wasn't clever enough to have created a world by evolution and he said, "Because he didn't need to. He did it in a week."

Incidentally, Jambutty, my younger daughter was born with 3 kidneys though we had no idea until the extra one became infected and had to be removed when she was 10. Apparently duplex kidneys are far more common than we think.

jambutty · 28-04-2006, 15:18

Yes the JW’s seem to have an answer for everything.

In my last brush with them I asked:
“If Adam and Eve were the first humans and they had two sons who got married, where did their wives come from?”
“Adam and Eve had more than just two sons, they had daughters as well so Cain and Able married their sisters.”
“But God banned incest!”
No reply!

SPUGGIE J · 28-04-2006, 15:32

JB universe approx 15 billion years old give or take a few million Earth approx 4.5 billion give or take. Maybe the almighty was doing a bit of experimenting. Who is to say we are not alone in the universe and some alien dude didnt visit and push apes towards their evolution into man and as a result every now and again pop in for a visit (UFO's) to see how we are doing. If primative people with some intelligence saw them they would more than likely be considered as a God and his angels. The Universe is so vast anything is possible and we know very little so there could be truth in both sides (on the fence collecting splinters).

Scientists can create basic amino acids which are one of the building blocks of life and with the knowledge being gained from DNA studies who is to say that many years from now they might just create intelligent life in a basic form to whom these scientists would be looked upon as gods.

West Ender · 28-04-2006, 15:39

[quote=SPUGGIE J]. Who is to say we are not alone in the universe and some alien dude didnt visit and push apes towards their evolution into man and as a result every now and again pop in for a visit (UFO's) to see how we are doing. If primative people with some intelligence saw them they would more than likely be considered as a God and his angels.

Eric von Daniken put forward this theory about 40 years ago. I liked some of his conclusions.

mantrabooks · 28-04-2006, 16:26

I watch two very good documentary recently, has any one seen these?

The God Who Wasn't There

and Who the Bleep do we Think we are

both can be found here

http://indie.imdb.com/index.indie

wkd_one · 28-04-2006, 18:39

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Yes the JW’s seem to have an answer for everything.

In my last brush with them I asked:
“If Adam and Eve were the first humans and they had two sons who got married, where did their wives come from?”
“Adam and Eve had more than just two sons, they had daughters as well so Cain and Able married their sisters.”
“But God banned incest!”
No reply!

maybe cain or able dressed up a chimpanze in sexy underwear , this also could explain why we cant find the missing link

SPUGGIE J · 28-04-2006, 18:52

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Originally Posted by wkd_one

maybe cain or able dressed up a chimpanze in sexy underwear , this also could explain why we cant find the missing link

Does that explain Tarzen and Cheetah????

simon · 28-04-2006, 21:55

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

No time scale mentioned there, millions,billions,zillions who knows ??

6 "Creative" Days to put life on the earth.

How long is a day to God ??

There is NO evidence that humans have been on this planet any longer than 6,000 years.

garinda · 28-04-2006, 22:47

I once used to chat with a very nice lady when I was living in London. She called a couple of times, and left me some books to read about her religion's view on creation.

The books said nothing evolves, everything is at it was when created by God.

If we were all descended from Adam and Eve, whom I presume were middle eastern in appearance, where do the differing skin colours, and differing ethnicities come from, if nothing has ever evolved since the creation?

The lady couldn't give me a satisfactory answer.

simon · 28-04-2006, 22:52

This Summer I will go a bit browner..... am I evolving into a black man ?? or could it be that we where created in a unique way, So unique that NO 2 are the same ?
That is good design too me.

harwood red · 28-04-2006, 22:56

yes we are all unique simon but how the heck did so many ethnicities supposedly derive from just two people if evolution didn't play a part????