should the unemployed be allowed to vote?

[accyman]

Originally Posted by cashman

Whilst no doubt there are people conning the system, Many are Not, but thats a typical tory way of looking at things.

i wasnt aware it was refering to only families on benefits but your right it is the way of the tory to assume that anyone on benefits and dares to have any form of luxury is a cheat.God forbid somone be working and getting tax credits and dare to pay a relativly small fee for a basic sky bundle with internet and entertainment for the family.

i was going to say a lot more but to be honest im sick to death of hearing about how good people on benefits have it with their new cars and big tv's just because one or two people make certain red top papers headlines.

its not true its proppoganda crap spewed out to make people who work think its the people on benefits fault they get taxed heavily when in fact its tehir employer been allowed to pay them crap wages and government blowing money away hand over fist with the only option of screwing us harder to get more money to piff away

[William Jobling]

Originally Posted by accyman

i wasnt aware it was refering to only families on benefits but your right it is the way of the tory to assume that anyone on benefits and dares to have any form of luxury is a cheat.God forbid somone be working and getting tax credits and dare to pay a relativly small fee for a basic sky bundle with internet and entertainment for the family.

i was going to say a lot more but to be honest im sick to death of hearing about how good people on benefits have it with their new cars and big tv's just because one or two people make certain red top papers headlines.

its not true its proppoganda crap spewed out to make people who work think its the people on benefits fault they get taxed heavily when in fact its tehir employer been allowed to pay them crap wages and government blowing money away hand over fist with the only option of screwing us harder to get more money to piff away

Here here

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by accyman

i wasnt aware it was refering to only families on benefits but your right it is the way of the tory to assume that anyone on benefits and dares to have any form of luxury is a cheat.God forbid somone be working and getting tax credits and dare to pay a relativly small fee for a basic sky bundle with internet and entertainment for the family.

i was going to say a lot more but to be honest im sick to death of hearing about how good people on benefits have it with their new cars and big tv's just because one or two people make certain red top papers headlines.

its not true its proppoganda crap spewed out to make people who work think its the people on benefits fault they get taxed heavily when in fact its tehir employer been allowed to pay them crap wages and government blowing money away hand over fist with the only option of screwing us harder to get more money to piff away

The problem starts when its more profitable to lie in bed than even try to find employment, anybody who thinks this is right is living in cloud cuckoo land. Benefits were put in place as a safety net not a way of life.

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The problem starts when its more profitable to lie in bed than even try to find employment, anybody who thinks this is right is living in cloud cuckoo land. Benefits were put in place as a safety net not a way of life.

I don't think anyone on here has stated that choosing not to work and living on benefits is right.

However I think the majority of folk aren't like you and realise that the majority on benefits aren't trying to screw the system.

Last time around your lot put all the blame on the unemployed, 'get on your bikes' you shouted, now you have gone even further, acting like Jesus and telling sick and disabled to 'pick up their beds and work'.

You really are acting like a Tory version of c'mon when you justify picking on the vulnerable rather than the guilty.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

I don't think anyone on here has stated that choosing not to work and living on benefits is right.

However I think the majority of folk aren't like you and realise that the majority on benefits aren't trying to screw the system.

Last time around your lot put all the blame on the unemployed, 'get on your bikes' you shouted, now you have gone even further, acting like Jesus and telling sick and disabled to 'pick up their beds and work'.

You really are acting like a Tory version of c'mon when you justify picking on the vulnerable rather than the guilty.

Explain to me why DLA claims shot up from 200,000 to 700,500 in ten years even though there are great advances in medical cures, Being disabled myself I tend to notice when people only use a wheelchair and walking stick when the go for hospital check ups, when ambulance drivers have to help a person back to his home, then ten minutes later he skips down the path taking the dog for an hour long walk before getting into his mobility car to go shopping, your supposedly not to be able to walk or virtually unable to walk to drive one, funny old world Less if you take off the rose coloured specks for a minute or two

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Explain to me why DLA claims shot up from 200,000 to 700,500 in ten years even though there are great advances in medical cures

In ten years immigration has also increased a fair bit, That could also be a factor in this, I really don't know the reasons, but seems you are fully informed.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

In ten years immigration has also increased a fair bit, That could also be a factor in this, I really don't know the reasons, but seems you are fully informed.

notice I've added to that post since you read the original

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

In ten years immigration has also increased a fair bit, That could also be a factor in this, I really don't know the reasons, but seems you are fully informed.

As I've posted I do open my eyes a bit Cashy, my problem is being disable it irks me right of when people fain illness for monetary gain. Genuine cases could receive more if we sorted the leeches out from the system, and to think its just a few minor cases, well

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Explain to me why DLA claims shot up from 200,000 to 700,500 in ten years even though there are great advances in medical cures

Do you honestly think that this increase you claim of 500,500 new claims are all scroungers?

Could it be that the great medical advances have actually kept people alive but not necessarily, made them fit to fend for themselves?

You spent 20 years claiming because you were ill not because you were a scrounger, I'm sure you would rather have been fit and working, no doubt the Majority of folk you are blaming for our woes would also like an alternative to being ill.

Once again I suggest that you pick on the guilty few, not the vulnerable majority.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

As I've posted I do open my eyes a bit Cashy, my problem is being disable it irks me right of when people fain illness for monetary gain. Genuine cases could receive more if we sorted the leeches out from the system, and to think its just a few minor cases, well

It irks most decent people,me in particular, but i don't slag em all, cos many more are genuine, summat you never seem to mention or notice? The cheats are a different kettle of fish, but not when you comment.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Less

Could it be that the great medical advances have actually kept people alive but not necessarily, made them fit to fend for themselves?

the way the torys have turned the public against the sick the first question people will ask when going for treatment for things liek cancer wont be whats my chances of success but will i be able to do a full weeks work after my operation and will i be back to work before my 2 week sicknote runs out.

how dare these new medicines keep people with parkinsons dissease alive longer without ensuring the can work is another example

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

notice I've added to that post since you read the original

Yeh yeh have added "NOTHING" that mentions the majority of innocents, all yeh done is highlighted again cheating, pathetic really.

[cmonstanley]

was it not the tories who brought d.l.a. in in 1992.so that was 21 years ago.so jaysay, i think youve got your figures wrong lol you meant 20 years.at the end of 1992 there was 52,000 on dla,at the end of 1997 there was 217,000.so eleven years later there was 382,000 so thats 165,000 more in eleven years.so if you add the figures up the tories put 170,000 on dla labour put 165,000.jaysay you need to get your figures right before you start pouting off lol

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

was it not the tories who brought d.l.a. in in 1992.so that was 21 years ago.so jaysay, i think youve got your figures wrong lol you meant 20 years.at the end of 1992 there was 52,000 on dla,at the end of 1997 there was 217,000.so eleven years later there was 382,000 so thats 165,000 more in eleven years.so if you add the figures up the tories put 170,000 on dla labour put 165,000.jaysay you need to get your figures right before you start pouting off lol

I recall that time - people were encouraged to move from unemployment benefit to sickness benefits so that it would appear that the unemployment figures were going down.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I recall that time - people were encouraged to move from unemployment benefit to sickness benefits so that it would appear that the unemployment figures were going down.

Yeh but some seem to have forgotten that fact.