Your beliefs

[steeljack]

"She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist.”

Jean-Paul Sartre

[Neil]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I know what I believe and nothing anyone else says can change what I believe

Was that a quote from jambutty?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

"I would rather live my life believing that there is a God and die to find out that there isn't than live my life believing that there isn't a God and die to find out that there is."

I won't waste my time believing there is a God. If I did believe in God then I would like to think of him as good. I can't see any evidence anywhere of a supreme good being watching over us. So if there is a God be can't, in my eyes be a good person (or whatever) so I will not waste my time on Him.


Does that make sense to anyone? I know its late.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Neil

I won't waste my time believing there is a God. If I did believe in God then I would like to think of him as good. I can't see any evidence anywhere of a supreme good being watching over us. So if there is a God be can't, in my eyes be a good person (or whatever) so I will not waste my time on Him.


Does that make sense to anyone? I know its late.

I suppose it does make sense. But in the sense that we have free will to belive in what we will. If there is a god, he/she/it may be omniscietnt, benevolent, and omnipresent. Or maybe just the prime mover of everything. Or maybe ... nothing at all. But the choice is yours; and belief is nothing if it is not personal.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by Eric

I suppose it does make sense. But in the sense that we have free will to belive in what we will. If there is a god, he/she/it may be omniscietnt, benevolent, and omnipresent. Or maybe just the prime mover of everything. Or maybe ... nothing at all. But the choice is yours; and belief is nothing if it is not personal.

It's clear that within the God of classical theism, there is an inconsistent triangle of Omniscience, Omnibenevolence and Omnipotence. The followers of this Abrahamic God throughout the ages have claimed that their God is in fact all these things - however, as Neil touches on, it is impossible to be all three with the world as it is.
I'm not religious or atheist or agnostic. I don't wish to be labelled by either, frankly. One of the few big problems I have with religion however is it's ability to indoctrinate children with society's acceptance. To paraphrase Dawkins, labelling a child (and from then on teaching it only Christian views on religion in the curriculum) a 'Catholic child' or a 'Protestant child', is borderline child abuse. It is indoctrination pure and simple, and would make as much sense to label the child a Marxist child or a socialist child
I could go on forever but I'll stop & save it for the exams

[LancYorkYankee]

Originally Posted by Stanaccy

All the belief/religious sides of these above lead towards an oppressive side i.e. do what we say or you will suffer after you die, (a brilliant way of manipulation as nobody is going to come back and say they were wrong).

All major religions use this and refuse to answer difficult questions of them when asked, hence I am an atheist.

I am always willing to answer questions about my personal beliefs. It is never my desire to force my beliefs as that really is not possible or acceptable (IMO). I guess I could be "labelled" as a follower of a major religion but I truly don't believe I am.

I believe in the Bible as the Word of God. However, I despise how man has misused, misinterpreted, misapplied, so so much of this Book. Do I have all the answers or can I answer all the mysteries of the universe type questions. Nope, or better yet,"I just don't know why/how/when . . . "

Brian

[Neil]

Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

I believe in the Bible as the Word of God.

So do you live your life as the good book tells you to?

[LancYorkYankee]

For more on my beliefs. Here is my last correspondances with Ian. Please know, out of love for my fellow man, I merely wish to share (again share never force) what I believe. It's then purely up to each individual to make their own decision. Okay?

Cheers,

Brian

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Sorry for not being in touch for a while as typing is a nightmare Brianleft hand still useless,please keep me in your prayer's as I do require divine help at thisvery trying time, hope you are all well ,will see you when you next visit hopefully your good friend Iansorry it is short and sweet but you know why keep well my cousin aand good mate Ian.

Hey Ian,

So kind of you to write. As no one knows the will of God, my prayer first for you is to have Peace. Then to have Hope, followed by freedom of pain and healing.

My Faith has gotten me through so many difficult times. Even the very many hurtful things that I've gone through, and God didn't seem to be anywhere near, I know He was. It must be so hard for God to see all our suffering. However, He knows that it's success through those bad times that can make us stronger as we struggle through this rotten world.

When the world says that God has abandon us, I say rather we have abandon Him. He has given us access through His Son Jesus Christ. And for that I find my Peace, Hope, and ability to survive day to day.

Keep Strong my friend and keep up with that wonderful laugh of yours!

Brian

Cheer's good buddy living dayat presen,tto days message was a tonicregardis Ian.

[LancYorkYankee]

Originally Posted by Neil

So do you live your life as the good book tells you to?

Gosh I try but constantly face failures. I feel another question will be coming eh Neil?

[Eric]

The First World War destroyed not only millions of lives, but also the old, comforting social orders. People found themselves in a world where there was nothing much left to believe in. God took a real mauling in the conflict; not many who experienced the carnage on the Western Front, could hold on to their largely unquestioned religious beliefs. So one is stuck with lots of "isms": secularism, materialism, existentialism, communism (wich seemed merely to replace "god" with "party") national socialism (which seemed to elevate "satan") and many others one can think of. Add to this a developing science which, if it did nothing else, called into question the whole idea of "reality" and "fact."

When the props are gone, a convenient way ... maybe the only one ... out of the uncertainty is to believe strongly in something. There doesn't seem to be much, other than belief, keeping a lid on insanity and chaos. A quick glance at any major newspaper will show that the lid is not on all that tightly.

[steeljack]

How to upset an evilgelical , was at the local grocery store today , parked in the next slot was a big ass Hummer SUV. belonging to a fish person ,on the rear window was a sticker saying " powered by Jesus" , the owner happened to be loading his stuff at the same time as me and I casually commented that maybe his sticker should read " Powered by stolen muslim oil" ,

sorry for the thread wander

[Eric]

Originally Posted by steeljack

How to upset an evilgelical , was at the local grocery store today , parked in the next slot was a big ass Hummer SUV. belonging to a fish person ,on the rear window was a sticker saying " powered by Jesus" , the owner happened to be loading his stuff at the same time as me and I casually commented that maybe his sticker should read " Powered by stolen muslim oil" ,

sorry for the thread wander

Or "Drive Green for Jesus"

[kathleen_firth]

can u beleive in something and not beleive in it at the same time
cos thats me i think i beleive in ghosts and stuff but then again i dont. lol
does that make any sence

[Less]

Originally Posted by Neil

Ghosts - Nope, dead is dead. The end. Nothing else but switched off. As in an ex parrot.


Aliens - I would be surprised if there was no more life out there somewhere


Heaven/hell - Nope. I don't believe in God so I can't really believe in these. To be more accurate I don't really care if there is a God or not. If there is He is not the good careing being many of you believe Him to be.


Telepathy - Not sure on this one. I like to see proof of things before I blindly follow along with the crowd.


Telekinesis - Same as telepathy. It would save getting up to find the TV remote though.


De Javu or premonition's - No. I think you have to believe that time can be manipulated to believe in these. How else can you see something that has yet to happen. Unless your a witch

I'm with Neil on the first three but,

Telepathy, why not? Perhaps a form of internal broadcast system, try to explain radio and t.v. to someone from 200 years ago that would have been an impossible idea back then. I might just be broadcasting away at this moment but I doubt that I'm on the same frequency as the rest of you so who is capable of listening? (or would want to?).

Telekinesis, definitly I manage to move plenty of liquids from one place to another without any physical effort.

De Javu, isn't that the feeling that you've seen this before? I usually get it when I'm watching freeview.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Less

I doubt that I'm on the same frequency as the rest of you

Well we know where your coming from with that Less