Living off the fat of the land. - Page 22

andrewb · 08-02-2009, 18:32

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Originally Posted by claytonender

Or can you definitely state that precept levied by Hyndburn Borough Council will be 3.6%.

No I can't. There needs to be a vote at council first, which I believe is later this month.

claytonender · 08-02-2009, 18:43

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Originally Posted by andrewb

No I can't. There needs to be a vote at council first, which I believe is later this month.

Yes the Budget setting meeting of Hyndburn Borough Council is on Thursday 26th February.

However, I find it strange that you condemn Labour Councillors, when they post the results of information in National Newspapers. But have no opinion about the Leader of Hyndburn Borough Council making a very
disingenuous statement at a meeting of the Cabinet of Hyndburn Borough Council on Wednesday 4 February. The misleading statement that Council Tax would raise by 3.6% was thebn published in Accrington Observer, but you fail to have any opinion on a local newspaper posting information, which is dubious, when you read the report of actually circulated at Hyndburn Borough Council's Cabinet meeting.

So what is your opinion of the press report that Council Tax will rise by 3.6%?

Bernard Dawson · 08-02-2009, 18:45

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Originally Posted by claytonender

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Sorry Garinda for going off topic - just hoping Andrew will answer the misreprentation of this year's Council Tax announcement.

I can state,unequivocally, that I will not claim any of the increased subsistence allowance, if ever I go on any offical Council duties.

Claytonender I can go along with that. I would like to think that all Councillors would commit themselves to not taking the increased allowance.

shillelagh · 08-02-2009, 18:46

Im glad i live in rossendale ..... mind you thats bad enough at the minute!!!!

Bernard Dawson · 08-02-2009, 18:53

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

Im glad i live in rossendale ..... mind you thats bad enough at the minute!!!!

What's bad in rossendale. Anyway Rising Bridge should really be in Hyndburn. Don't you agree?

Royboy39 · 08-02-2009, 19:09

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Originally Posted by claytonender

[i]Posted via Mobie[/IRoyboy the advice Garinda and I gave you was to approach the Halifax and ask for the charges to be refunded and to apply for an overdraft facility (which is completely free). You choose to ridicule the advice, but IT certainly was not infectual. I certainly don't expect you to 'Kow Tow' . I take it your relatives are happy with the increase in subsistence allowances and the £1500 spent on Area Council calendars then?

Compare the cost per head of the electorate in Hyndburn to the cost per head of the bank bail out by the Government.
To be a reasonable local politician you have to be a reasonable spin merchant.
In my view, no matter what local politicians do they are wrong, moreso if it is the party you did not vote for.
Point scoring is the norm and we have seen on this forum that ,that is the case.
Conservative councillors don't enter the forum for good reason. I think that 'Give them enough rope' comes to mind.
I must say that the efforts of the local 'Big Wigs' are not effortless but meaningless.?

andrewb · 08-02-2009, 19:31

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Originally Posted by claytonender

Yes the Budget setting meeting of Hyndburn Borough Council is on Thursday 26th February.

However, I find it strange that you condemn Labour Councillors, when they post the results of information in National Newspapers. But have no opinion about the Leader of Hyndburn Borough Council making a very
disingenuous statement at a meeting of the Cabinet of Hyndburn Borough Council on Wednesday 4 February. The misleading statement that Council Tax would raise by 3.6% was thebn published in Accrington Observer, but you fail to have any opinion on a local newspaper posting information, which is dubious, when you read the report of actually circulated at Hyndburn Borough Council's Cabinet meeting.

So what is your opinion of the press report that Council Tax will rise by 3.6%?

My opinion is they should have reported it, as council tax will rise by 3.6%...

garinda · 08-02-2009, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen

I would like to think that all Councillors would commit themselves to not taking the increased allowance.

All, even that ones that chose to ignore the recommended limits suggested by the independent panel, and voted for the increases?

If that's going to happen they seem to have caused themselves an awful lot of public disquiet for nothing.

Bernard Dawson · 08-02-2009, 19:44

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Originally Posted by garinda

All, even that ones that chose to ignore the recommended limits suggested by the independent panel, and voted for the increases?

If that's going to happen they seem to have caused themselves an awful lot of public disquiet for nothing.

You are probably right, but you would hope that those who voted for the increase might change their minds. Individually they don't have to accept the increase . Public opinion also can change minds.

claytonender · 08-02-2009, 19:51

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Andrew you appear to have double standards about articles in the press, when the information suits your party. Do you not agree that it should have been made clear that Hyndburn's share of the council tax would increase by 7 percent ( as per the report to cabinet). You can't dismiss the Daily Telegraph for using band D (which is what all council tax bases are expressed in). Then say it is ok to use the total council tax bill (which includes some much lower percentages) rather than being honest and admitting Hyndburn's share was in fact being increased by 7 per cent.

Or are you scared to post anything against the current Leader of Hyndburn Council- who you are at pains to tell us is democratically elected. You appear to infer that all non Conservative councillors were not democratically.

garinda · 08-02-2009, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen

Public opinion also can change minds.

We, the public, live in hope.

andrewb · 08-02-2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by claytonender

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Andrew you appear to have double standards about articles in the press, when the information suits your party. Do you not agree that it should have been made clear that Hyndburn's share of the council tax would increase by 7 percent ( as per the report to cabinet). You can't dismiss the Daily Telegraph for using band D (which is what all council tax bases are expressed in). Then say it is ok to use the total council tax bill (which includes some much lower percentages) rather than being honest and admitting Hyndburn's share was in fact being increased by 7 per cent.

Or are you scared to post anything against the current Leader of Hyndburn Council- who you are at pains to tell us is democratically elected. You appear to infer that all non Conservative councillors were not democratically.

When you get your council tax bill, which is not the most expensive in the country, will you or will you not be paying 3.6% more than last time?

cashman · 08-02-2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen

Public opinion also can change minds.

very rarely, then only at election times,

Gayle · 08-02-2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by claytonender

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Andrew you appear to have double standards about articles in the press, when the information suits your party. Do you not agree that it should have been made clear that Hyndburn's share of the council tax would increase by 7 percent ( as per the report to cabinet). You can't dismiss the Daily Telegraph for using band D (which is what all council tax bases are expressed in). Then say it is ok to use the total council tax bill (which includes some much lower percentages) rather than being honest and admitting Hyndburn's share was in fact being increased by 7 per cent.

Or are you scared to post anything against the current Leader of Hyndburn Council- who you are at pains to tell us is democratically elected. You appear to infer that all non Conservative councillors were not democratically.

But in all fairness, people don't actually care whether LCC put their bit up by x% or Hyndburn BC by x% or the Police by x%, all anybody actually cares about is the over all percentage that they'll end up paying.

No one actually cares who gets what! So, by saying that Hyndburn BC have put the council tax by 3.6%, whilst not factually true, is what people perceive it to be and how it affects their pockets.

shillelagh · 08-02-2009, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen

What's bad in rossendale. Anyway Rising Bridge should really be in Hyndburn. Don't you agree?

At the minute i would say rising bridge is happy enough being in rossendale and we will stay that way thank you. So no i dont agree.

Oh and i've managed to find the expenses for county councillors on the lancashire county council website. And this is for 2008-2009

Some of which is posted below ...

Overnight Accommodation

Where the nature of the duties being undertaken result in a councillor or co-opted member being absent from his/her usual place of residence, overnight accommodation will be booked and paid directly by the County Council.

In exceptional circumstances where it is not possible for the County Council to make a direct booking on behalf of a councillor or co-opted member, the actual receipted cost of accommodation, including breakfast, will be reimbursed to the councillor or co-opted member. Such reimbursement will be subject to a maximum allowance per night of £129 for London and £113 elsewhere in the UK.

http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/counci...A&fileid=36669