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Busman747 15-10-2010 20:44

Accy Old Photo's - John Kelly's Album
 
I was recently priviledged to view a marvellous collection of old photo's from Mr. John Kelly, local fire fighter (retired), and he has kindly given his permission for me to put a selection on the Accy web.

There are so many that I am going to "drip-feed" them on this thread and invite comments as we go.

To start with, these maps show Accrington in 1849
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/map3.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/map1.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...s/map21849.jpg

There is a current thread concerning the Railway station and how it is going to look, this is how it did look!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tos/train1.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...wayStation.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tos/train2.jpg

...........and finally (for now) can anybody remember the "British Restaurant"? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...restaurant.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...aurant1942.jpg

wadey 15-10-2010 22:00

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Thanks

Atarah 15-10-2010 23:57

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In the basement of Accrington Town Hall is a "museum" which saddens me that it is NO LONGER open to the public. Up and till a few years ago, this museum was open to members of the public on the Heritage Open days. Dont think the Council class the basement as being safe any more for people to go into. Great pity! Included were many items which related to the war years, an old Accrington bus ticket machine plus many more items of local interest. Amongst this "memorabilia" are some large mugs which came from The British Restaurant on Paradise Street which Busman747 mentions. (I have one myself). I would love to see this place opened again, but .... probably cost comes into it to make it safe.

And ... I think you will find our Retlaw was greatly connected with the first map you show.

Heritage Open Days - About

garinda 16-10-2010 07:24

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Very interesting.

Looking forward to seeing more.

garinda 16-10-2010 07:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 852346)
In the basement of Accrington Town Hall is a "museum" which saddens me that it is NO LONGER open to the public. Up and till a few years ago, this museum was open to members of the public on the Heritage Open days. Dont think the Council class the basement as being safe any more for people to go into. Great pity! Included were many items which related to the war years, an old Accrington bus ticket machine plus many more items of local interest. Amongst this "memorabilia" are some large mugs which came from The British Restaurant on Paradise Street which Busman747 mentions. (I have one myself). I would love to see this place opened again, but .... probably cost comes into it to make it safe.

And ... I think you will find our Retlaw was greatly connected with the first map you show.

Heritage Open Days - About

It is a great pity.

Are the exhibits survivors from the old museum, that weren't thrown on the dump?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tip-51518.html

jaysay 16-10-2010 08:46

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The photos of the station bring back lots of memories, looking forward to more

Tealeaf 16-10-2010 10:03

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That's a nice piccy of 'The Flying Scotsman' coming through Accy...I wonder what year?

Retlaw 16-10-2010 11:30

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Map no 1 of Accrington 1849 is a copy of the one I drew some 20 years ago, I still have the original.
Retlaw.

Retlaw 16-10-2010 12:20

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Attached is a map of Accrington in 1784. I drew this not long after the 1st one, from information supplied by Brian Ashton the former head of Accrington Library. The red line denotes the boundry between the Old Hold of Accrington & the New Hold of Accrington.

Retlaw.

Gordon Booth 16-10-2010 14:12

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852431)
Attached is a map of Accrington in 1784.

Retlaw.

There wasn't much of it, was there?
I notice the River Hyndburn was Accrington Brook then, so where did 'Hyndburn' come from?

Retlaw 16-10-2010 15:14

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 852463)
There wasn't much of it, was there?
I notice the River Hyndburn was Accrington Brook then, so where did 'Hyndburn' come from?

Thats only as it was shown on local maps of the time.
It was known as the Hyndburn way back in the 1100's,
was possibly named as such pre Norman times, for they used all the names that were currently in use when they parcelled out the land of what is now Lancashire, amongst William the 1st's cronies. I think you will find I've already posted some of the old land deeds in other threads

Retlaw.

Busman747 16-10-2010 17:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852419)
Map no 1 of Accrington 1849 is a copy of the one I drew some 20 years ago, I still have the original.
Retlaw.

I hope that I'm not stepping on toes re: copyright Retlaw, I asked John but due to age and illness, he was a little woolly regarding ownership of originals. I am aware that Owd Bert has contributed to his album and I have his permission. and he tells me that John took many of the photo's that you are about to see in this thread ;)

Busman747 16-10-2010 17:44

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This next section should be of great interest to Accyweb members, it's PUBS:rolleyes:

Who has had (or remembered) a good night out in:

The Brigade Inn
The Horseshoe
The Bridge Inn
Slaters Arms
Australian Inn
or the Malbrough Working Mens Club?? (I wonder if that should not be Marlbough W.M,Club?)


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eHorseshoe.jpg
Trying to work out what van that is above, could it be the Ford Squire? the forerunner to the Popular and Prefect?


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...GrangeLane.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ofBroadway.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tralianInn.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...sStonright.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ghclub1928.jpg

DaveinGermany 16-10-2010 17:51

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Good to see, I do enjoy old photo's of places regardless of where ever it may be.

Gordon Booth 16-10-2010 18:07

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Did the working men have to share their club with cows, or was it what we now call a 'barn conversion'? The Slaters Arms looks like it was boarded up, if the pubs in Accrington are closing as fast as they are round here these photos will soon be all we have to remember them by.
More,please.

walker 16-10-2010 18:30

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Great seeing the old photos many thanks.

Retlaw 16-10-2010 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852568)
I hope that I'm not stepping on toes re: copyright Retlaw, I asked John but due to age and illness, he was a little woolly regarding ownership of originals. I am aware that Owd Bert has contributed to his album and I have his permission. and he tells me that John took many of the photo's that you are about to see in this thread ;)

John and I served at Accrington Fire station, from 1957 until we both retired, I used to carry a camera in the inside pocket of my fire tunic. I gave many copies of photo's to John, just as he gave many to me, I still have all the negatives of the ones I took, still in the dark room in the attic.
Saw John in the library on Friday, asked him out of curiosity if he knew where Bond Court was, he could'nt remember, yet when he was a lad he lived not far from it.

Retlaw.

Vicbfc 16-10-2010 23:48

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Brilliant thread, many thanks for sharing

Atarah 17-10-2010 08:29

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I am sure the article on The British Restaurant was written by one of the lasses from the Local History Department of Accrington Library.

jaysay 17-10-2010 08:45

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Like the photo of the Bridge, but tey are all good

Busman747 17-10-2010 13:45

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I'm sure that the next couple of photo's will be of interest to the Accrington Stanley forum. Here is a comment from Everton.....:D
Quoted from a forum on the history of Everton FC


"They then welcomed a team from Accrington called Bells Temperance to Anfield, on arrival the visitors found they faced a weakened Everton side, only three first team regulars were in the side, and ran out 3-2 winners before a crowd of 1,500. "

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eranceteam.jpg

Just as a little piece of history..............Temperance was a mass movement in the nineteenth century against excessive drinking. In1832 Joseph Livesey started the Temperance Movement in Preston, Lancashire requiring followers to sign a pledge of total abstinence. Livesey opened the first temperance hotel in 1833 and in 1835 The British Temperance Association was founded. An offshoot was the Band of Hope founded in 1847 in Leeds, Yorkshire to save children from the perils of drink, again members had to pledge to abstain from all intoxicating liquor. Various churches promoted the cause and in 1884 the National Temperance Federation supported by the Liberal Party was founded.
Maine Road, Manchester (the former home of City) was re-named, from Dog Kennel Lane, by members of the Temperance Movement in honour of the state of Maine, U.S.A. that had passed a law in 1853 prohibiting alcohol sales. Within two years another twelve states had gone “dry”.
The Temperance Movement bought many public houses just to let their alcohol licence lapse and renamed them Temperance Hotels. Fitzpatrick’s in Rawtenstall, Lancashire is the last remaining temperance bar in the U.K. and still provides non alcoholic refreshments with the labels of their bottles bearing one of the last temperance pledges to be signed in the area.


Here is Accrington Stanley in 1890 :)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...llteam1890.jpg

katex 17-10-2010 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 852644)
Like the photo of the Bridge, but tey are all good

Think that is a drawing Jaysay ... but brilliant nevertheless.

Where was the Slater's Arms then ?

Tealeaf 17-10-2010 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852706)

Errr.....Just Accrington FC then.

What is interesting is the players from the 'Bells' team who pop up in the Accy team...Pemberton, Entwistle and Tattersall who is secretary for both teams.

I wonder if it was any one of those pictured in the Accy team who was responsible for the first ever penalty awarded in football - anywhere, ever - the following year in a game against Wolves?

Tealeaf 17-10-2010 17:05

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...Oh, I forgot to add. Look at the shinpads on the lads in the Accy FC piccy. They're more like cricket pads. Of course, in those days they played with a proper football and did proper tackling wearing real boots, unlike our modern day players who wear ballet slippers, kick a beach ball about and practice their thespian talents at falling over whenever any oppostion player comes within ten feet of them.

jaysay 17-10-2010 17:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 852738)
...Oh, I forgot to add. Look at the shinpads on the lads in the Accy FC piccy. They're more like cricket pads. Of course, in those days they played with a proper football and did proper tackling wearing real boots, unlike our modern day players who wear ballet slippers, kick a beach ball about and practice their thespian talents at falling over whenever any oppostion player comes within ten feet of them.

I'd luv to see Wayne Rooney in a Tutu Tealeaf:D

Gordon Booth 17-10-2010 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 852748)
I'd luv to see Wayne Rooney in a Tutu Tealeaf:D

You're sick, Jaysay!

Busman747 17-10-2010 20:10

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There are just two photo's in Johns album which are directly war related, the first one is the staff of the Barrage Balloon Command who had headquarters at Oak Street School................. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/barrage.jpg

.........and the anti-aircraft gun from 1940 according to the hand-written date on the side, I have no idea whereabouts in Accy it was situated.http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/1940.jpg

Busman747 17-10-2010 20:24

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Everybody that comes to Accrington cannot help but notice the magnificent viaduct that spans the town centre. Here are 6 photos that show the houses and road network as they used to be around the viaduct......

Milnshaw Rd. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ilnshorerd.jpg

Eastgate http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...s/Eastgate.jpg

Aeriel view http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/accy.jpg

The centre of viaducthttp://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...cyviaduct1.jpg

View of viaduct http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Accy001.jpg

From Blackburn Rd. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Photos/8.jpg

Busman747 17-10-2010 20:36

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And finally (for today) this is probably my favourite photo in the album, party because of the clothes worn and also the products sold. FISH, FRUIT and RABBITS :D

This is 16A Washington Street..........


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...gtonStAccy.jpg

K.S.H 17-10-2010 20:44

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Cracking photo's, keep em coming.
Do you have a date for the Eastgate photo?
Can you imagine the uproar if they sold meat like that today :-)

Busman747 17-10-2010 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852828)
Cracking photo's, keep em coming.
Do you have a date for the Eastgate photo?
Can you imagine the uproar if they sold meat like that today :-)

Unfortunately, the photo's came with very little or no information regarding dates, maybe some of the older members might find a clue within the photo's? In some of the pics to follow, dating may be possible because of the vehicles shown :D

K.S.H 17-10-2010 20:55

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No problem, I "think" the terraced row in that photo is Milton St, am I correct?

Busman747 17-10-2010 20:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852828)
Do you have a date for the Eastgate photo?
)

Just had a close look at the Eastgate photo and although I do not recognise the model of the white car, I would guess early 60's.

Busman747 17-10-2010 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852833)
No problem, I "think" the terraced row in that photo is Milton St, am I correct?

Oops, I put it as Milnshaw rd 'cos I misheard Willow shout from the other room :o

No, just had it from the horses mouth (she'll kill me for that) It IS Milnshaw Lane!

Busman747 17-10-2010 21:14

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Going back to the viaduct photo's I missed one out, Whalley Rd.......

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...lleyRdAccy.jpg

K.S.H 17-10-2010 21:16

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Nah, Milnshaw lane is on the other side of Viaduct, if you look at the "the centre of viaduct picture" look under the 3rd arch (from left) and Milnshaw lane is just showing, bending off to the right, goes up past where Aldi is now.
On the Eastgate photo it is written on the photo "Castle street" and thats the Castle pub at the left of the junction
PS - I'm on about the terrace in the middle of the pic, the lower one is on the roundabout - was that called Milnshaw lane then???

Retlaw 17-10-2010 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852706)
I'm sure that the next couple of photo's will be of interest to the Accrington Stanley forum. Here is a comment from Everton.....:D
Quoted from a forum on the history of Everton FC

"They then welcomed a team from Accrington called Bells Temperance to Anfield, on arrival the visitors found they faced a weakened Everton side, only three first team regulars were in the side, and ran out 3-2 winners before a crowd of 1,500. "

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eranceteam.jpg

Just as a little piece of history..............Temperance was a mass movement in the nineteenth century against excessive drinking. In1832 Joseph Livesey started the Temperance Movement in Preston, Lancashire requiring followers to sign a pledge of total abstinence. Livesey opened the first temperance hotel in 1833 and in 1835 The British Temperance Association was founded. An offshoot was the Band of Hope founded in 1847 in Leeds, Yorkshire to save children from the perils of drink, again members had to pledge to abstain from all intoxicating liquor. Various churches promoted the cause and in 1884 the National Temperance Federation supported by the Liberal Party was founded.
Maine Road, Manchester (the former home of City) was re-named, from Dog Kennel Lane, by members of the Temperance Movement in honour of the state of Maine, U.S.A. that had passed a law in 1853 prohibiting alcohol sales. Within two years another twelve states had gone “dry”.
The Temperance Movement bought many public houses just to let their alcohol licence lapse and renamed them Temperance Hotels. Fitzpatrick’s in Rawtenstall, Lancashire is the last remaining temperance bar in the U.K. and still provides non alcoholic refreshments with the labels of their bottles bearing one of the last temperance pledges to be signed in the area.

Here is Accrington Stanley in 1890 :)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...llteam1890.jpg

Some of those lads in picture 1 went on to serve in WW1. L. Pemberton, W Renshaw, & Sproul are three of them.
Bells Field was in what became Belfield Rd, just a bit higher up than where St Mary's school used to be on the right.

Retlaw.

Retlaw 17-10-2010 21:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852820)
There are just two photo's in Johns album which are directly war related, the first one is the staff of the Barrage Balloon Command who had headquarters at Oak Street School................. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/barrage.jpg

.........and the anti-aircraft gun from 1940 according to the hand-written date on the side, I have no idea whereabouts in Accy it was situated.http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/1940.jpg

Look at the tall building in the background, if I'm not mistaken that old mill was on Hyndburn Rd.
Last occupied by Brougton's before they moved to the old mill at the top of Church St.
The barrage balloon was on the sight of what is now the Arndale Center, the balloon was struck by lightning twice during the war, it never caught any jerry planes.
Retlaw.

K.S.H 17-10-2010 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852855)
Look at the tall building in the background, if I'm not mistaken that old mill was on Hyndburn Rd.
Last occupied by Brougton's before they moved to the old mill at the top of Church St.

As shown in the aerial pic, middle on the left hand side??
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/accy.jpg

Retlaw 17-10-2010 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852825)
Everybody that comes to Accrington cannot help but notice the magnificent viaduct that spans the town centre. Here are 6 photos that show the houses and road network as they used to be around the viaduct......

Milnshaw http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...s/Eastgate.jpg
The centre of viaducthttp://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...cyviaduct1.jpg

View of viaduct http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Accy001.jpg

Those were taken from the top of the Turntable Ladder late 1950's or early 1960's

Retlaw.

Busman747 17-10-2010 21:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852841)
Nah, Milnshaw lane is on the other side of Viaduct, if you look at the "the centre of viaduct picture" look under the 3rd arch (from left) and Milnshaw lane is just showing, bending off to the right, goes up past where Aldi is now.
On the Eastgate photo it is written on the photo "Castle street" and thats the Castle pub at the left of the junction
PS - I'm on about the terrace in the middle of the pic, the lower one is on the roundabout - was that called Milnshaw lane then???

I think you are right, this is where the tax office now stands? There used to be a road running at the back of these two rows of houses called Mary Ann Street (below the Castle pub)

K.S.H 17-10-2010 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852860)
Those were taken from the top of the Turntable Ladder late 1950's or early 1960's

Retlaw.

"IF" that is Milton St then it must have been the 60's, I wasn't born in the 50's :), My Grandparents lived on Milton St but on the other side which isn't shown (been demolished when pic taken), I was only a nipper but remember the area a bit, certainly remember a large banking going up to the railway, remember walking through the car park to get to it, it was massive then, as shown in one of the photos

Busman747 17-10-2010 21:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852860)
Those were taken from the top of the Turntable Ladder late 1950's or early 1960's

Retlaw.

Nice one Retlaw :alright:

K.S.H 17-10-2010 21:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852863)
I think you are right, this is where the tax office now stands? There used to be a road running at the back of these two rows of houses called Mary Ann Street (below the Castle pub)

Yeah it is, can't remember Mary Ann Street though

Retlaw 17-10-2010 22:07

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.........and the anti-aircraft gun from 1940 according to the hand-written date on the side, I have no idea whereabouts in Accy it was situated.http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/1940.jpg[/quote]
That young lad on the right looks very much like me.
Must have been late 1940's, don't remember it ever being fired, think they moved it some where else.
Use to watch the jerry planes come over, and see the search lights and ack ack fire from Salford way, was always getting pasted for hanging out of the bedroom window watching, when I should have been hard and fast asleep.


Retlaw.

Busman747 17-10-2010 22:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852867)
That young lad on the right looks very much like me.
Must have been late 1940's, don't remember it ever being fired, think they moved it some where else.

Retlaw.

Date on side of photo is 1940 Retlaw

Busman747 17-10-2010 22:21

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Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852866)
Yeah it is, can't remember Mary Ann Street though

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...MaryanneSt.jpg

jaysay 18-10-2010 08:57

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852867)
.........and the anti-aircraft gun from 1940 according to the hand-written date on the side, I have no idea whereabouts in Accy it was situated.http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/1940.jpg

That young lad on the right looks very much like me.
Must have been late 1940's, don't remember it ever being fired, think they moved it some where else.
Use to watch the jerry planes come over, and see the search lights and ack ack fire from Salford way, was always getting pasted for hanging out of the bedroom window watching, when I should have been hard and fast asleep.

Retlaw.[/quote]
Is that not Hitchens wholesalers in the background which used to be on Hyndburn Road Walter

K.S.H 18-10-2010 09:19

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Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852871)

Hmmm.thats what I thought was Milton St, so where the hell was Milton St?

Retlaw 18-10-2010 11:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 852904)
That young lad on the right looks very much like me.
Must have been late 1940's, don't remember it ever being fired, think they moved it some where else.
Use to watch the jerry planes come over, and see the search lights and ack ack fire from Salford way, was always getting pasted for hanging out of the bedroom window watching, when I should have been hard and fast asleep.

Retlaw.

Is that not Hitchens wholesalers in the background which used to be on Hyndburn Road Walter[/quote]
Yes it was Hitchens, and where the AA gun is, some where near bottom of Fort St, on what used to be Ellison's Tenement.
The same place where the Accriungton Pals used to train in 1914,
you get the same background in some of their pictures.
Retlaw.

Retlaw 18-10-2010 11:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852916)
Hmmm.thats what I thought was Milton St, so where the hell was Milton St?

Its the same st, it has been called Milton St and Mary Ann St, before they built the tax office it ws last known as Mary Ann St,
The sign was still there for some time after that part of East Gate opened, it ws high up on the end wall of the Castle pub.
Retlaw

AccyGirl 18-10-2010 16:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 852857)
As shown in the aerial pic, middle on the left hand side??
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/accy.jpg

In this picture I can see, Bull Bridge, Crawshaw Street (after the houses were demolished and became a car park), Union Street, School Street and Edgar Street...
I grew up in Crawshaw Street..next door to the Horse Shoe Pub....
Thanks for the fantastic pictures :)

K.S.H 18-10-2010 16:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852938)
Its the same st, it has been called Milton St and Mary Ann St, before they built the tax office it ws last known as Mary Ann St,
The sign was still there for some time after that part of East Gate opened, it ws high up on the end wall of the Castle pub.
Retlaw

Thanks for that, explains a lot, especially that I'm not going daft :D
Or does it? my Grandparents moved out because they were demolishing the area and I only know it as Milton St :confused:

Busman747 18-10-2010 17:30

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852938)
Its the same st, it has been called Milton St and Mary Ann St, before they built the tax office it ws last known as Mary Ann St,
The sign was still there for some time after that part of East Gate opened, it ws high up on the end wall of the Castle pub.
Retlaw

The map that gave me the information on Mary anne St was pre-1900. I know that because a field shown on it would eventually be our house which was built in the year 1900 Omorod St was just half the length.

AccyGirl 18-10-2010 17:40

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Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 852825)
Everybody that comes to Accrington cannot help but notice the magnificent viaduct that spans the town centre. Here are 6 photos that show the houses and road network as they used to be around the viaduct......

Milnshaw Rd. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ilnshorerd.jpg

Eastgate http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...s/Eastgate.jpg

Aeriel view http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/accy.jpg

The centre of viaducthttp://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...cyviaduct1.jpg

View of viaduct http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Accy001.jpg

From Blackburn Rd. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Photos/8.jpg

The picture titled 'View of Viaduct' I can see Crawshaw Street..there is a car where the house I grew up in stood ..and where The Horseshoe Pub stood...(corner of School St).I think under the Viaduct led into King Street which went up to meet Blackburn Road.....Edgar Street is behind Crawshaw Street and the Picture Houses 'Empire and Princess. stood..also Nellies Sweet shop...
can see the Ambulance Drill Hall also back of the Methodist Church in Union Street...where the tree is used to be the graveyard.......the picture will be taken after 1963..I left for 'The South' that year...and pretty sure the houses still stood in Crawshaw St then. GREAT PICTURES, many thanks:)

jaysay 18-10-2010 17:57

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852936)
Is that not Hitchens wholesalers in the background which used to be on Hyndburn Road Walter

Yes it was Hitchens, and where the AA gun is, some where near bottom of Fort St, on what used to be Ellison's Tenement.
The same place where the Accriungton Pals used to train in 1914,
you get the same background in some of their pictures.
Retlaw.[/quote]
I can remember when I was young my cousin lived on Park Road Walter, there was a piece of land of Countess Street called the Wreck or might have been the Red Wreck, looks like the gun maybe situated in or about that area

Retlaw 18-10-2010 19:11

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 853070)
Yes it was Hitchens, and where the AA gun is, some where near bottom of Fort St, on what used to be Ellison's Tenement.
The same place where the Accriungton Pals used to train in 1914,
you get the same background in some of their pictures.
Retlaw.

I can remember when I was young my cousin lived on Park Road Walter, there was a piece of land of Countess Street called the Wreck or might have been the Red Wreck, looks like the gun maybe situated in or about that area[/quote]
Sorry John, but you wouldn't get the old mill in the background from that angle, its definitely on Ellisons Tenement, besides I never went to that end of Accrington until I was much older, about 14 when I started to attend Hyndburn Park night school.
Retlaw.

Retlaw 18-10-2010 19:33

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I've put some names on the picture, to provide some sort of orientation.
Retlaw.

DaveinGermany 18-10-2010 19:52

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 853097)
I've put some names on the picture, to provide some sort of orientation.
Retlaw.

Is the Photo from late70's early 80's, only asking as I don't know the area but the style of cars seem to denote that era (Vinyl roofs,early ford vans & Mk 1's, couple of allegro shapes too).

AccyGirl 18-10-2010 20:37

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 853093)
I can remember when I was young my cousin lived on Park Road Walter, there was a piece of land of Countess Street called the Wreck or might have been the Red Wreck, looks like the gun maybe situated in or about that area

Sorry John, but you wouldn't get the old mill in the background from that angle, its definitely on Ellisons Tenement, besides I never went to that end of Accrington until I was much older, about 14 when I started to attend Hyndburn Park night school.
Retlaw.[/QUOTE]

it is Ellisons Tenement, sometimes I used to walk across it on my way to school (Hyndburn Park 1950's)..cut through a small passage and then The Hippodrome would be there.. That is Hitchen's on Hyndburn Road in the background..close to it there was a graveyard where the sheep went before going into the slaughter house..It was great when Ellisons Tenement was a Fairground....with the black pea stall ..

Retlaw 18-10-2010 21:17

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 853106)
Is the Photo from late70's early 80's, only asking as I don't know the area but the style of cars seem to denote that era (Vinyl roofs,early ford vans & Mk 1's, couple of allegro shapes too).

The picture was taken during the period when they were clearing the sites for the creation of the new shops in Union St and the Arndale Center, as you can see alot of the houses in Crawshaw St & Union St have gone.

Retlaw.

Retlaw 18-10-2010 21:25

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Originally Posted by AccyGirl (Post 853119)
Sorry John, but you wouldn't get the old mill in the background from that angle, its definitely on Ellisons Tenement, besides I never went to that end of Accrington until I was much older, about 14 when I started to attend Hyndburn Park night school.
Retlaw.

it is Ellisons Tenement, sometimes I used to walk across it on my way to school (Hyndburn Park 1950's)..cut through a small passage and then The Hippodrome would be there.. That is Hitchen's on Hyndburn Road in the background..close to it there was a graveyard where the sheep went before going into the slaughter house..It was great when Ellisons Tenement was a Fairground....with the black pea stall ..[/quote]
That grave yard was the old Macpelah, they originally came from Clayton, back in the 1700's, it was some times referred to as Gods Little Acre, in what was then Allom Lane (Hyndburn Rd), the congregation built a new church on the west side of the viaduct in Blackburn Rd, they later moved to a new church in Cannon St, that has now closed and the congregation moved to Christ Church, which is now referred to as Trinity.
Retlaw

Busman747 18-10-2010 21:31

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Time for a few more, this set are to do with CROWDS

Firstly, the dignitaries opening Broadway. The ceremony was held on the corner of Cobden St. which no longer exists. Does anyone know the date? :)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...wayopening.jpg

The next photo is of Coronation day 22/6/1911 in Abbey St. (George V)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ationday-1.jpg

No idea when or why on this one, but have you ever seen Accrington so packed?:D

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...reeverbeen.jpg

A carnival passing through Queens Rd in 1920......

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eensRd1920.jpg

July 1959 A pot fair on Broadway

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/potfair.jpg

Who remembers the sunken gardens in 1958?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ardens1958.jpg

A military funeral in 1915........

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Funeral.jpg

Finally (for now), anyone have any ideas about this photo??

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/unknown.jpg

AccyGirl 18-10-2010 22:28

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Originally Posted by Busman747 (Post 853133)
Time for a few more, this set are to do with CROWDS

Firstly, the dignitaries opening Broadway. The ceremony was held on the corner of Cobden St. which no longer exists. Does anyone know the date? :)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...wayopening.jpg

The next photo is of Coronation day 22/6/1911 in Abbey St. (George V)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ationday-1.jpg

No idea when or why on this one, but have you ever seen Accrington so packed?:D

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...reeverbeen.jpg

A carnival passing through Queens Rd in 1920......

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eensRd1920.jpg

July 1959 A pot fair on Broadway

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/potfair.jpg

Who remembers the sunken gardens in 1958?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ardens1958.jpg

A military funeral in 1915........

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Funeral.jpg

Finally (for now), anyone have any ideas about this photo??

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/unknown.jpg

The last photo looks like the fish market...

MargaretR 18-10-2010 23:12

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I remember it as the fish market too

steeljack 19-10-2010 00:00

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Enjoyable thread , looking forward to more . Just on a 'cultural' note looking at the 1912 military funeral I'm surprised how many of the chaps watching the cortage pass still have their caps on , thought it was tradition/habit in those days to doff your hat when a coffin passed by .

Mick 19-10-2010 05:00

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Can members please stop copying/quoting the photos just to put a small post under them as this is taking a lot of server space up thanks

K.S.H 19-10-2010 07:53

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Might take a lot of page space up but as far as server space goes, the image is only stored once on the server :)

Mick 19-10-2010 07:57

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there are issues at the moment with the server so any saving would be good

K.S.H 19-10-2010 07:59

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PS - there also uploaded to photobucket :)

jaysay 19-10-2010 08:55

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Looking at the photo of he Pot Fair, there are a number of faces that are ringing bells with me, but I can't put names to them

Retlaw 19-10-2010 11:29

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No idea when or why on this one, but have you ever seen Accrington so packed?:D
That picture of the crowd in front of the Market Hll was taken August 1st 1915, when the Accrington Pals marched into Accrington on a recruiting drive, if you look closely you will see A & B coys across the end af little Blackburn Rd and into Peel St.
Note they are wearing khaki uniform and carrying rifles.
Some sh*t head has put a the same picture on the display in the Market hall but labeled it February 23rd 1915 when the Pals left for Caernarvon.
When the Pals left Accrington in February they wore blue melton uniforms and only had a few old Long Lee Enfield Rifles.

Retlaw

katex 19-10-2010 14:08

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Re. the opening of Broadway, Bob Dobson, in one of his books, puts it at 1936 .. no exact day though.

yerself 19-10-2010 15:10

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf
kick a beach ball about and practice their thespian talents at falling over whenever any oppostion player comes within ten feet of them.

Before you know it they'll be using theatrical blood to make their injuries look realistic.:D:D

garinda 20-10-2010 07:14

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 853210)
Looking at the photo of he Pot Fair, there are a number of faces that are ringing bells with me, but I can't put names to them

I love that photograph.

Everyone looks so well dressed.

No such thing as trackies and trainers then.

Light coloured caps, cotton dresses and net underskirts, little cardies and pearls.

Grace Kelly would have blended right in, in the Accrington of 1959.

Busman747 20-10-2010 21:05

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For those that wonder what model bus it is:A Critchley and Norris with Crossley 40 hp engine and Knape bodywork operated by the Burnley Motor Pleasure Company from 1906 (Interesting that the date on the photo is 1905??)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...AccytoYork.jpg

Busman747 20-10-2010 21:11

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High Riley? Cottages in Sandy Lane, 1625, Do they still exist?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...stillexist.jpg

Atarah 20-10-2010 22:21

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High Riley Cottages still exist? Course they do. Know its not mega important, but that date of 1625 just doesnt sound correct. Am sure its 1628.

walkinman221 21-10-2010 16:32

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 853617)
High Riley Cottages still exist? Course they do. Know its not mega important, but that date of 1625 just doesnt sound correct. Am sure its 1628.

Your correct top 2 cottages built 1628 bottom one which is number one dates from about 1800. :)Also forgot to put top cottage was originally two cottages numbers 5 and 7

AccyGirl 21-10-2010 22:11

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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eHorseshoe.jpg
Trying to work out what van that is above, could it be the Ford Squire? the forerunner to the Popular and Prefect?
is it a Hillman Husky ? .I used to live and grew up in the house right next door to the Horseshoe pub in the 50's

wadey 22-10-2010 11:36

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Looking at the rear windows and wheel arch I think it's a Hillman Estate Car, one of several vehicles sold by Rootes that were based on the Minx saloon in the 50s.
See what you think at
Hillman Husky & the Estate Cars of the 1950s.

2nd one down

cashman 22-10-2010 14:56

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 852579)
Good to see, I do enjoy old photo's of places regardless of where ever it may be.

thats were you n yer wife n me n wynonie were havin a slerp recently dave, changed a bit aint it.;) the marlboro club i mean off coarse.

cashman 22-10-2010 15:07

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 852855)
Look at the tall building in the background, if I'm not mistaken that old mill was on Hyndburn Rd.
Last occupied by Brougton's before they moved to the old mill at the top of Church St.
The barrage balloon was on the sight of what is now the Arndale Center, the balloon was struck by lightning twice during the war, it never caught any jerry planes.
Retlaw.

Hitchens was on Hyndburn Rs Busman, next to the cemetry n across from the slaughter house, me mates used to drive n second man fer em mid 60s.;)

AccyGirl 22-10-2010 19:25

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Originally Posted by wadey (Post 853973)
Looking at the rear windows and wheel arch I think it's a Hillman Estate Car, one of several vehicles sold by Rootes that were based on the Minx saloon in the 50s.
See what you think at
Hillman Husky & the Estate Cars of the 1950s.

2nd one down

Hi Wadey....looked at the link..and yes, seems to be a Hillman....When I lived next door to the Horseshoe pub it would have been very rare to see any vehicles...but if this photo was the 50's...I would have been there at the time the photo was taken....

wadey 22-10-2010 19:57

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Don't accept lifts off strangers!!!!!!!!!!!!

DaveinGermany 22-10-2010 20:03

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 854018)
thats were you n yer wife n me n wynonie were havin a slerp recently dave, changed a bit aint it.;) the marlboro club i mean off coarse.

Yeah, looks like they've done a bit of work on the place. :D

Busman747 24-10-2010 16:09

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Various views from Blackburn Rd/Peel St........

I am very curious about this one, I assume the stand is for the Mayor etc? and what is in front of it? looks like an optical illusion, surely can't be a trench of some kind?


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...Photos/jpg.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Photos/7.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...0Photos/19.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ackburnrd2.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...lackburnrd.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ickTerrace.jpg

AccyGirl 24-10-2010 16:47

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another great set of pictures...many thanks for posting them...I love them all

katex 24-10-2010 17:41

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Was the stand in the first picture of your new entry not built for George V's visit on July 9th, 1913 ?

Can't help with the trench thingy... did they not have traffic cones then ? LOL..

katex 24-10-2010 17:54

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Ah yes, 'tis an optical illusion .. is a raised platform.

K.S.H 24-10-2010 18:25

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 854800)
Was the stand in the first picture of your new entry not built for George V's visit on July 9th, 1913 ?

Nah, its scaffolding for installing the clock :D:D:D

katex 24-10-2010 19:17

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Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 854833)
Nah, its scaffolding for installing the clock :D:D:D

Daft sod.. :rolleyes:

Bob Dobson 24-10-2010 19:22

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I haven't been on the site for a few weeks. The last hour or so is the best I've had for ages. (I've been down so long it feels like up to me.) There are several that I would like to comment on but haven't time to look again. I do remember that I wanted to tell that 'The Rec' was at the bottom of Lister Street and Park Rd, behind Hyndburn Park School. It was used as a football & cricket pitch by lads from the Grammar School. It's name was short for 'recreation'.

katex 24-10-2010 19:32

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 854877)
I haven't been on the site for a few weeks. The last hour or so is the best I've had for ages. (I've been down so long it feels like up to me.) There are several that I would like to comment on but haven't time to look again. I do remember that I wanted to tell that 'The Rec' was at the bottom of Lister Street and Park Rd, behind Hyndburn Park School. It was used as a football & cricket pitch by lads from the Grammar School. It's name was short for 'recreation'.

Hahaha ... always thought it was spelt 'wreck'.

Gremlin 24-10-2010 19:37

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As a bit of an outsider (only been in lancashire since 1967) can you tell me where the Slaters Arms were. Ok I mean the pub before any wag says "hanging from his shoulders".

Tealeaf 24-10-2010 19:41

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One interesting point in looking at these old piccys of the late Victorian/Edwardian era is to see the number of men who are wearing the 'boater' hat. As a fashion statement for young men, this was the equivalent of today's ubiquitous baseball cap.So I wonder just how many of those we see in those old pictures are the great and great,great grandfathers of the silly capped scumbags we see on a daily basis so disfiguring the town today?

katex 24-10-2010 20:01

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 854886)
As a bit of an outsider (only been in lancashire since 1967) can you tell me where the Slaters Arms were. Ok I mean the pub before any wag says "hanging from his shoulders".


I asked this question a few pages back, Gremlin, with no response. Our historians on here will know the answer. Ironic though, that the name does not reflect the name of the pub ...see the roof .. lots of slates missing there ... :)

JCB 24-10-2010 20:16

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 854886)
As a bit of an outsider (only been in lancashire since 1967) can you tell me where the Slaters Arms were. Ok I mean the pub before any wag says "hanging from his shoulders".

25 Plantation St.

Retlaw 24-10-2010 20:30

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 854898)
I asked this question a few pages back, Gremlin, with no response. Our historians on here will know the answer. Ironic though, that the name does not reflect the name of the pub ...see the roof .. lots of slates missing there ... :)

Slaters Arms was on Bank St.
From the look of it, it was boarded up, windows missing and slates being removed.


Retlaw.

cashman 24-10-2010 20:33

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Bank Street as far as i know. some great pics cheers very much Busman.


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