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garinda 07-08-2007 15:30

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457334)
That blood should have been picked up on day one.

According to the lunchtime news on the BBC, it's still being tested to see if it is indeed blood.

BERNADETTE 07-08-2007 16:16

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 457337)
According to the lunchtime news on the BBC, it's still being tested to see if it is indeed blood.

I heard that as well, once again speculation is rife. Surely if there is blood it would have been found before now. If the Portugese police are so incompetent why oh why has it taken British police so long to get involved?:confused:

Lilly 07-08-2007 20:56

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 457337)
According to the lunchtime news on the BBC, it's still being tested to see if it is indeed blood.

Ah right.The papers are saying it is blood:confused:.Anyway,if it is found to be blood I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it is Madeleine's blood.The Portugese police have been so lax in their treatment of that apartment,not sealing off the area,not searching thoroughly for evidence,they've even allowed other families to stay in that apartment since Madeleine's abduction,so the blood or whatever it is could have come from one of these other people and be nothing to do with Madeleine.What a mess.:(

churchfcrules 07-08-2007 21:06

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i think it says something about us as a society, that our police ARE much more experianced at this sort of thing, wouldnt it be nicer to live in a place where the police are not used do carrying out this work day after day?

Less 07-08-2007 21:10

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457334)
That blood should have been picked up on day one.Think how the parents felt when they were told what these dogs had found.It's terrible that it's taken 3 months.Also the search the Portugese police did of Robert Murat's garden was very very poor.The British police have now looked in bushes and shrubs,which the Portugese police failed to do.In the paper today there is a long list of blunders made by the Portugese police who do not deal with these sort of crimes and are so blatently out of their depth in this case.It's great that the British police have now intervened and hopefully the truth about what happened to Madeleine is not far from being discovered ,but why have the Portugese blundered on on their own for 3 months?This will only have added to the family's distress.

It is supposed to be 'minute' specks of blood, please be patient and allow the authorities to decide whose/what type of blood it is! Until it's tested no-one knows somebody may have cut themselves shaving! Until they test it we don't know, by the way, if it is her blood who is to say a stranger spilled it, speculation leads to rumors and rumors lead to the innocent being blamed!
:confused:

I don't know what happened but I will await the official report because none of us know.

Lilly 07-08-2007 21:17

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 457433)
i think it says something about us as a society, that our police ARE much more experianced at this sort of thing, wouldnt it be nicer to live in a place where the police are not used do carrying out this work day after day?

I know what you're saying there,it would be lovely to live somewhere with such a low crime rate but the price you'd have to pay is that in the unlikely event that a child is abducted the police have no idea how to deal with it,fail to construct a thorough enquiry and the parents may never know what happened to her.Never knowing where she is,what's happened to her and having to live out the rest of my life like that,to me,would be worse than being told she was dead.

garinda 07-08-2007 21:22

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457427)
they've even allowed other families to stay in that apartment since Madeleine's abduction


It also said on the news today that the apartment hasn't been used by any other holiday makers, and is being kept as a crime scene.

The McCanns were interviewed together today on the BBC, and said they were hurt by all the speculation that they are somehow involved with Madeline's disappearance because of this new information about what may, or may not be, a blood stain. The simple fact is we simply do not know.

churchfcrules 07-08-2007 21:24

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457442)
I know what you're saying there,it would be lovely to live somewhere with such a low crime rate but the price you'd have to pay is that in the unlikely event that a child is abducted the police have no idea how to deal with it,fail to construct a thorough enquiry and the parents may never know what happened to her.Never knowing where she is,what's happened to her and having to live out the rest of my life like that,to me,would be worse than being told she was dead.

i agree fully, its just sad that our police seemed so "experianced" at everything, and then we get people telling us that the prisons are full, sounds like a cant win, cant win situation.

Lilly 07-08-2007 21:28

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 457445)
It also said on the news today that the apartment hasn't been used by any other holiday makers, and is being kept as a crime scene

They seem to be saying one thing in the newspaper and another thing on the news don't they?:confused: You're right,we don't know anything.

Less 07-08-2007 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 457445)
It also said on the news today that the apartment hasn't been used by any other holiday makers, and is being kept as a crime scene.

The simple fact is we simply do not know.

I think I tried to say that rindy, but some folk choose to ignore anything that doesn't fall within their flight of fancy.:o

BERNADETTE 07-08-2007 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 457448)
i agree fully, its just sad that our police seemed so "experianced" at everything, and then we get people telling us that the prisons are full, sounds like a cant win, cant win situation.

I would much rather live in a place with less crime as I am sure we all would, just a pity they didn't send more experienced police in sooner:confused:

garinda 07-08-2007 21:34

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I've mentioned on here before how my then eighteen year old cousin was murdered in Bolton-le-Sands fourteen years ago. He was murdered at home when he came home from school, and one of the hardest things I remember about that sad time was all the speculation and innuendo, both in the press and by people who didn't know a thing.

Ianto.W. 07-08-2007 21:38

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Less I don't know what happened but I will await the official report because none of us know.
I agree untill they get the results it is best left alone.

Lilly 07-08-2007 21:39

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457427)
Ah right.The papers are saying it is blood:confused:.Anyway,if it is found to be blood I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it is Madeleine's blood.The Portugese police have been so lax in their treatment of that apartment,not sealing off the area,not searching thoroughly for evidence,they've even allowed other families to stay in that apartment since Madeleine's abduction,so the blood or whatever it is could have come from one of these other people and be nothing to do with Madeleine.What a mess.:(

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 457456)
I think I tried to say that rindy, but some folk choose to ignore anything that doesn't fall within their flight of fancy.:o

What Garinda has said falls well within my flight of fancy.What he says is true,we don't know the facts,especially as it appears that the papers tell us one tale and then they say the opposite on the news.I also agreed with you on the point that the 'blood' could be anybody's:p

Lilly 07-08-2007 21:44

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 457460)
I've mentioned on here before how my then eighteen year old cousin was murdered in Bolton-le-Sands fourteen years ago. He was murdered at home when he came home from school, and one of the hardest things I remember about that sad time was all the speculation and innuendo, both in the press and by people who didn't know a thing.

I understand what you're saying.Gossip must be hurtful for the families in criminal cases.

Less 07-08-2007 21:44

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457464)
What Garinda has said falls well within my flight of fancy.What he says is true,we don't know the facts,especially as it appears that the papers tell us one tale and then they say the opposite on the news.I also agreed with you on the point that the 'blood' could be anybody's:p

So unless you thought I meant you, (I might have done but I won't tell you), what was the need to reply? We can all agree and go to bed knowing that the results will be published as soon as possible leaving us no need to speculate or theorise.:)

Lilly 07-08-2007 21:54

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 457468)
So unless you thought I meant you, (I might have done but I won't tell you), what was the need to reply? We can all agree and go to bed knowing that the results will be published as soon as possible leaving us no need to speculate or theorise.:)

I knew who you meant,I'm very intuitive:D.I agree,we should stop speculating now.:)

Less 07-08-2007 21:56

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457477)
I knew who you meant,I'm very intuitive:D.I agree,we should stop speculating now.:)

I see you haven't gone to bed! (Tomorrow comes so much quicker if you do). :D

garinda 07-08-2007 22:29

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 457464)
What Garinda has said falls well within my flight of fancy.What he says is true,we don't know the facts,especially as it appears that the papers tell us one tale and then they say the opposite on the news.I also agreed with you on the point that the 'blood' could be anybody's:p


You're right, just because I saw something on the TV, doesn't make it any more of an accurate report, than what you read in the newspaper. All of it is speculation, and we only get to know what they want us to know anyway.

Royboy39 10-08-2007 16:34

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New twist in the tail from Spain:

Costa Blanca News Online - Spain's leading international weekly

Gayle 07-09-2007 09:32

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Slightly disturbing news today that Madeleine's mother is going to be made a formal suspect in the case!

I can't imagine that she's guilty for one minute. Just looking at the logistics surely, if she had done it then she wouldn't have been able to take the body very far in the time she had and it would have been found by now! But I find it very unbelievable that she would hurt her own child or even sell her - so bizarre!

WillowTheWhisp 07-09-2007 10:08

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Apparently they have to make her a formal suspect before they can ask her some questions they want to ask. It sounds a weird legal system they have over there.

West Ender 07-09-2007 11:08

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Isn't this all so typical of the bungling way the Portugese police have handled this case? I know someone who works very closely with police, in this country, who deal with "specialised" cases. When the child went missing they said they would go to Portugal immediately, with all their resources, to help with the investigation. The Portugese police refused to allow them to do so and have stumbled along ever since, only accepting help far too late.

I am very sorry to say, and I desperately hope I'm proved wrong, that I have thought from the start that the child is dead. I have never thought, and I still don't, that her parents have harmed her. I don't believe the other suspect, Robert Muran, had anything to do with the case either. He was "fingered" by a fanciful reporter, clutching at straws, just as Mrs McCann is now.

panther 07-09-2007 11:16

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its saying now that Portuguese police have suggested to Kate McCann that traces of her daughter's blood were found in a car the family hired 25 days after the girl went missing, :eek:
kate McCann being treated as if "involved in daughters death"!!!

cashman 07-09-2007 11:36

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whatever the outcome of this tragedy it has been a mess of an investigation from day1.personally i dont think it was the Mcanns n like westender i dont think it was the guy they first suspected the fact that does remain= none of us know! what is also a fact = most children that are killed are done too by close family or someone they know:eek: i hope that is not the case, but who knows?:(

Gayle 07-09-2007 11:49

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Or, it could be that they are claiming that they are going to arrest her as a bluff - they may think it is the husband or one of the other members of the party and they are hoping that something will slip if they appear to be blaming an innocent person.

cashman 07-09-2007 12:12

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i would have thought that if the Mcanns had anything to do with the poor kids disappearance, the survival instinct would kick in, and Portugal is the LAST place they would have stayed.:confused:

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 12:20

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It is looking more likely that a charge is going to be brought, accor.ding to the family spokesperson Kate has been named as the primary suspect with Gerry as a witness

beechy 07-09-2007 13:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 468688)
i would have thought that if the Mcanns had anything to do with the poor kids disappearance, the survival instinct would kick in, and Portugal is the LAST place they would have stayed.:confused:

got to agree cashy
i think the local jo law has no ideas left
and need to charge someone for something
so as not to seem incompetent

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 15:38

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Originally Posted by beechy (Post 468710)
got to agree cashy
i think the local jo law has no ideas left
and need to charge someone for something
so as not to seem incompetent

Appears they do have some new evidence, from what they have been saying on the news forensic evidence which has been found and tested has shown something that has brought about these new interviews.

Lilly 07-09-2007 15:43

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I'll be very surprised if Kate McCann is found guilty of a crime here. It's very worrying indeed. I hope she's not about to be framed for something she hasn't done just so the Portugese police can say they've solved the case.:(

Lilly 07-09-2007 15:47

Re: DNA Yea or Nay?
 
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 468733)
Appears they do have some new evidence, from what they have been saying on the news forensic evidence which has been found and tested has shown something that has brought about these new interviews.

Yes. They said that traces of Madeleine's blood have been found in the car they hired 20 odd days after she disappeared. What's that all about then?:confused:

lindsay ormerod 07-09-2007 15:55

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Doesn't make much sense that; if they had been responsible for the girls death and moved the body 20 days later there wouldn't be any blood leaking anywhere, and it's too much of a coincidence for the car to have been hired out to the perpetrator and then to them .:confused:

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 15:56

Re: DNA Yea or Nay?
 
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 468736)
Yes. They said that traces of Madeleine's blood have been found in the car they hired 20 odd days after she disappeared. What's that all about then?:confused:

I don't know any more than you do but I don't believe they would just make things up for the sake of saying they have solved the crime:(

Neil 07-09-2007 15:57

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 468734)
I'll be very surprised if Kate McCann is found guilty of a crime here.

Is child neglect a crime?

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 15:58

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 468738)
Doesn't make much sense that; if they had been responsible for the girls death and moved the body 20 days later there wouldn't be any blood leaking anywhere, and it's too much of a coincidence for the car to have been hired out to the perpetrator and then to them .:confused:

I agree with what you are saying, they don't just pull facts out of thin air:(

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 16:03

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 468740)
Is child neglect a crime?

Yes it is , I wonder if they hadn't been doctors what would the reaction have been like?

Lilly 07-09-2007 16:06

Re: DNA Yea or Nay?
 
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 468739)
I don't know any more than you do but I don't believe they would just make things up for the sake of saying they have solved the crime:(

People have been framed before. Remember Deirdre Rashid?:) Sorry, only joking there, I know Coronation Street's not real. Seriously, people have been wrongly convicted for all sorts of crimes and left to languish in prison. You're right, none of us knows what's happened. We've said before that we shouldn't be speculating and we shouldn't but it's hard not to discuss something so high profile and something that is getting more and more bizarre.
We'll find out eventually.

Less 07-09-2007 17:04

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 468743)
Yes it is , I wonder if they hadn't been doctors what would the reaction have been like?

I mentioned this many times earlier in this thread and was called callous, how strange that I was told off for it, as I said way back, don't put your heart on your sleeve, just because you want things to be nice doesn't mean all people are going to be nice, I wish that child could be found alive and well, but these people have always been given too much benefit of the doubt.
:(

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 17:16

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I have been saying that from day one!!

Less 07-09-2007 17:26

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 468755)
I have been saying that from day one!!

If you can be bothered, read the thread from the beginning.

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 17:36

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 468756)
If you can be bothered, read the thread from the beginning.

I have read it and I agree with what you are saying. This is the first time I have posted regarding this matter because I knew the reaction I would get for daring to voice my thoughts on the matter. May I add I don't mean from you.

garinda 07-09-2007 17:51

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Until we know any facts, I still think it's sad that people are playing amateur sleuth.

It helps no one, especially not the poor child.

bullseyebarb 07-09-2007 17:55

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 468766)
Until we know any facts, I still think it's sad that people are playing amateur sleuth.

It helps no one, especially not the poor child.

Agree. I, too, am reserving judgement until we know more.

Eric 07-09-2007 18:03

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 468663)
Apparently they have to make her a formal suspect before they can ask her some questions they want to ask. It sounds a weird legal system they have over there.

It does sound weird ... one of the things that was discussed in the Colonial Broadcasting Service coverage was that now she is a "formal suspect" she is allowed to refuse to answer questions, sort of a Portuguese version of the Fifth Ammendment. Doesn't seem like an efficient method of getting info.

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 18:06

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 468768)
Agree. I, too, am reserving judgement until we know more.

Well what we do know is that Kate McCann can refuse to answer any questions now!!

bullseyebarb 07-09-2007 18:14

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 468773)
Well what we do know is that Kate McCann can refuse to answer any questions now!!

Let's see some hard evidence.

BERNADETTE 07-09-2007 18:18

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 468775)
Let's see some hard evidence.

Doesn't look like we have long to wait if the latest news is anything to go by.

Eric 07-09-2007 18:53

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 468775)
Let's see some hard evidence.

Unfortunately, in this less than perfect world, the general public seems far more interested in sensationalism and innuendo. And there again, hard evidence doesn't always convince; the name Rodney King comes to mind.

cashman 07-09-2007 19:15

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 468775)
Let's see some hard evidence.

you mean like George and Tony had with the WMD in iraq?:D

Lilly 07-09-2007 20:00

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It has just been said on Sky News that a member of Kate's family has said that Kate was offered a deal by Portugese police to confess to accidentally killing Madeleine and disposing of her body. In return they would guarantee that she would serve no more than 2 years in prison.:(
Really gives you faith in the police doesn't it?

WillowTheWhisp 07-09-2007 20:24

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And if she is totally innocent meanwhile a child abductor/abuser/murder goes free?

cashman 08-09-2007 00:23

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just seen that the Mcanns lawyer has said the father has also been named as a suspect. this seems to be on information passed from the british (Birmingham)the lab, while i find it hard to believe they are guilty, if the portugese were trying to fit them up (as some suspect) i think that 2 countries police forces colluding a hell of a site harder to believe.:(

Mancie 08-09-2007 11:53

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 468835)
And if she is totally innocent meanwhile a child abductor/abuser/murder goes free?

It's happened here many times in high profile crimes...Guilford 4, Birmingham 6 (not a football result)..and many times in individual cases, a man found guilty of shooting Jill Dando without any evidence (no witnesses,no murder weapon and no motive).
Seems that when the police are under immense pressure to nail a culprit they will resort to fitting people up.. while the real culprit gets off scot free!

cashman 08-09-2007 12:29

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 468966)
It's happened here many times in high profile crimes...Guilford 4, Birmingham 6 (not a football result)..and many times in individual cases, a man found guilty of shooting Jill Dando without any evidence (no witnesses,no murder weapon and no motive).
Seems that when the police are under immense pressure to nail a culprit they will resort to fitting people up.. while the real culprit gets off scot free!

normally i would agree,but when an investigation involves the forces of 2 countries, i think a fit up is too risky.

WillowTheWhisp 08-09-2007 15:35

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Why should it be unusual for the car to have her DNA though? I mean how strange would it be for the parents to have something in their possession which had the child's DNA? A hair on a garment they hadn't worn since her disappearance for example. Then several days later they wear that garment when using a hire car.

cashman 08-09-2007 15:53

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 469054)
Why should it be unusual for the car to have her DNA though? I mean how strange would it be for the parents to have something in their possession which had the child's DNA? A hair on a garment they hadn't worn since her disappearance for example. Then several days later they wear that garment when using a hire car.

25 days = several? we just dont know --yet.

Lilly 08-09-2007 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 468966)
It's happened here many times in high profile crimes...Guilford 4, Birmingham 6 (not a football result)..and many times in individual cases, a man found guilty of shooting Jill Dando without any evidence (no witnesses,no murder weapon and no motive).
Seems that when the police are under immense pressure to nail a culprit they will resort to fitting people up.. while the real culprit gets off scot free!

That's what I was trying to say, Mancie.:)

Ianto.W. 08-09-2007 19:20

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 468740)
Is child neglect a crime?

Good point,"would you have left 3 young children to wine and dine yourself?" Watever the outcome of this trsgedy, the Mc Canns are guilty of this, and in my opinion is a disgrace that should haunt them both for ever,I hope.

Acrylic-bob 08-09-2007 19:28

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There has been something about this whole business which has sat awkwardly with me from the start and I think, in the main, it is the lack of the expected reactions from those involved. The first suspect appeared to be taking all of the acusations in his stride when, if he were innocent and uninvolved, one would normally expect him to be shouting his innocence from the rooftops and demanding that his accusors either put up or shut up. The other thing that puzzles me is the actions and reactions of the parents over the last few months - this is just not normal. A couple who appeared to be less like anxious, grieving parents and more like two people playing a role it would be hard to imagine.

The whole thing was discussed at dinner the other night, chez Acrylic bob, and an elderly relative with a psychic reputation said that when she first saw the picture of the missing child shortly after the story broke in May, she was struck by the overwhelming impression that the child was abused - something in the eyes and the set of the lips, apparently.

I honestly do not know what to think about the situation, but I am certain that we have not yet heard the truth.

flashy 08-09-2007 19:34

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...l-30497-3.html


see posts 41 and 42

Mancie 08-09-2007 19:38

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 469129)
The other thing that puzzles me is the actions and reactions of the parents over the last few months - this is just not normal. A couple who appeared to be less like anxious, grieving parents and more like two people playing a role it would be hard to imagine.

I've quoted this part of Acrylic-bob's post because I've heard this point many times... but what are the "normal" reactions and actions of parents who have their child abducted?.. I don't know because it's never happened to me our anyone I know... so what sort of reaction should we expect?..crying on TV everyday?

Ianto.W. 08-09-2007 19:42

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I do not thimk we will ever know the truth the suspects have managed to keep silent (if they knew anything) for all this time are highly unlikely to admit anything now. The Keystone Portugese police force have little or no evidence that fact is plainly obvious, this will forever be a mystery to anyone but a few.

Acrylic-bob 08-09-2007 19:47

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I have to say I am not sure if I could describe what a "normal" reaction might be since such reactions vary in intensity from person to person. But I do feel that the "media blitz" approach is somehow not the thing that one would usually expect - there is something lacking. and it is that imponderable "something" which sets my antenae twitching.

West Ender 08-09-2007 20:56

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The campaign launched by the family has blown up in their faces. From the start it angered a lot of people because it was manipulated to elicit sympathy and donations to a cause that was not unique. It worked in that it became quite the In Thing to show support, the yellow ribbons etc., and it brought in a lot of money but there were always those who remembered that many children go missing without constant media hype surrounding their cases.

I do not know the McCanns but, from what I've seen of them, I don't like them. He appears to be an arrogant and manipulative man and she seems to go from one extreme to the other in her displays, or not, of emotion. That doesn't mean, however, that I believe they harmed the child. I am no more privvy to any real evidence than anyone else on this site and it's not for me to judge.

The police case against the mother seems implausible to say the least. She is alleged to have killed the child and concealed the body before going for a meal and behaving perfectly normally then faking devastation at finding her "missing". She is then alleged to have kept the corpse hidden for 3 weeks, despite the police asserting that they have made a thorough search of the area, then removed it in a hired car, unseen by the possé of Press who have been in constant attendance. The dead body of the child is said to have deposited blood stains in the car which seems unlikely as, after 3 weeks, I would expect severe decomposition rather than bleeding, particularly in a hot climate.

The Portugese police seem to be following the sentiments of the population and the media. When "sightings" of the child were being reported on a daily basis they were certain the child had been abducted. Next they assumed that Robert Murat had abducted/murdered the child, because a reporter said he was "behaving just like Ian Huntley", and made him the prime suspect. Now that the locals have tired of the McCann circus and hinted that the child has been killed by her parents the police have decided that must be the solution.

I have no idea what the outcome of this case will be. I have thought from the start that the little girl was probably dead and I have found the "Find Madeleine" campaign hysterical and over-hyped but I can only wait to see what further evidence is produced. That's all any of us can do.

Gayle 08-09-2007 21:07

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
To add to the implausability of the case that the police appear to be making against the McGanns at the moment - the couple remained in Portugal at the scene of the supposed crime and instead of trying to play things down they made a huge public affair of it. Surely no one could be so hard faced that they could accidentally kill their own child then attempt to capitalise on it in such a way that brings excessive amounts of publicity to the case?

Additionally they appear to claim that the cause of death was accidental overdose of a sedative. These two people are both Doctors - surely if anyone knew the exact measure to give to anyone to sedate them they would know.

I find it all a bit odd.

MargaretR 08-09-2007 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 469173)
The campaign launched by the family has blown up in their faces. From the start it angered a lot of people because it was manipulated to elicit sympathy and donations to a cause that was not unique. It worked in that it became quite the In Thing to show support, the yellow ribbons etc., and it brought in a lot of money but there were always those who remembered that many children go missing without constant media hype surrounding their cases.

I do not know the McCanns but, from what I've seen of them, I don't like them. He appears to be an arrogant and manipulative man and she seems to go from one extreme to the other in her displays, or not, of emotion. That doesn't mean, however, that I believe they harmed the child. I am no more privvy to any real evidence than anyone else on this site and it's not for me to judge.

The police case against the mother seems implausible to say the least. She is alleged to have killed the child and concealed the body before going for a meal and behaving perfectly normally then faking devastation at finding her "missing". She is then alleged to have kept the corpse hidden for 3 weeks, despite the police asserting that they have made a thorough search of the area, then removed it in a hired car, unseen by the possé of Press who have been in constant attendance. The dead body of the child is said to have deposited blood stains in the car which seems unlikely as, after 3 weeks, I would expect severe decomposition rather than bleeding, particularly in a hot climate.

The Portugese police seem to be following the sentiments of the population and the media. When "sightings" of the child were being reported on a daily basis they were certain the child had been abducted. Next they assumed that Robert Murat had abducted/murdered the child, because a reporter said he was "behaving just like Ian Huntley", and made him the prime suspect. Now that the locals have tired of the McCann circus and hinted that the child has been killed by her parents the police have decided that must be the solution.

I have no idea what the outcome of this case will be. I have thought from the start that the little girl was probably dead and I have found the "Find Madeleine" campaign hysterical and over-hyped but I can only wait to see what further evidence is produced. That's all any of us can do.

That echoes my sentiments entirely.
my first and last post on this topic

Mancie 08-09-2007 21:21

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 469174)
To add to the implausability of the case that the police appear to be making against the McGanns at the moment - the couple remained in Portugal at the scene of the supposed crime and instead of trying to play things down they made a huge public affair of it. Surely no one could be so hard faced that they could accidentally kill their own child then attempt to capitalise on it in such a way that brings excessive amounts of publicity to the case?

Additionally they appear to claim that the cause of death was accidental overdose of a sedative. These two people are both Doctors - surely if anyone knew the exact measure to give to anyone to sedate them they would know.

I find it all a bit odd.

Yes... and if the child was killed by some tragic accident why should the parents try to cover up ?.. it's all rubbish.. the police are really scraping the barrel.

jambutty 08-09-2007 21:54

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
What if!

The McCann’s keen to get to the dinner party couldn’t get Madeleine settled and asleep before they left? Kids don’t always go to sleep on command. Sometimes they like to play it up a bit or they are not tired. They could hardly leave whilst the child was still awake so Mr Mc says to Mrs Mc lets give her some xxxxxx. After all they are both doctors and would have something to hand for emergencies.

What if Mr Mc gave the child a sedative and then Mrs Mc did the same without realising that Mr Mc had already done so. They come back from dinner, check on the kids and find Madeleine dead from an accidental overdose.

Panic! What to do? Answer! Hide the body away from the apartment. Stage a break in. Call in the police with the abduction story. Eventually hire a car and take the body away to some remote place and bury it. A putrefying body could easily transfer bloody material to Mr or Mrs McGann’s clothes to then rub off in the hired car.

In the meantime make their concern as high profile as possible to establish what bereaved parents they were.

As Sherlock Holmes used to state something to the effect of, “if you discard all the evidence leaving only the highly improbable then that must be it.”

Fanciful? Probably but in the light of events it has to be considered and not discarded until proven to be inaccurate.

Doug 08-09-2007 21:55

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
This case as always gives me a sense that all isn’t right in the coal shed. I have always believed that one or both parents have something to hide over the loss/death of their child.

What struck me the other day was the mother saying that they where loving, responsible parents? This does not fit the picture of parents leaving three children under the age of three alone whilst they go out to enjoy a evening meal, being medical professionals you would have thought that they would have understood the risks involved in leaving underage children alone at night, especially in a strange place. I would also consider the repetitive visiting of the apartment through the night a bit risky also.

Personally I feel that the Police are closer to the truth than we might expect. Whatever the case these people should be subject to investigation on there eventual return home for negligence and child neglect the same as any parent would face in the UK for leaving children alone and exposed.

The other thing that struck me was the fact that until last week the parents of Madeline had insisted that would stay abroad until the daughter was found, after becoming suspects they have made the statement that they can’t wait to leave Portugal. Strange that.

Just word of caution. In Britain most child murders are done by a parent, relative or someone known to them, and quite often it is a child from a normal family with a good reputation. I think we would wish or want the outcome to be different, for the perpetrator to be caught and for Madeline to come home to her family, God if it could be, then let it be, but I fear this may turn into one of those tragic cases where an act of selfishness lead to the death of a loved one. What ever the truth, let there be justice.

Ianto.W. 08-09-2007 22:11

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
ThePortugese police force must have been 'monitoring the McCanns movements early on in this sad story as it 'smelled' rather fishy,two educated parents leaving three very young children alone to wine and dine is a crime against humanity, they could have done anything as kids, will be kids and no sane person could have been so stupid, They are now being turned into scapegoats for the most innefecient police force in the world.

ANNE 08-09-2007 22:21

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
well said Doug

grannyclaret 08-09-2007 23:20

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
I still have a gut feeling that it will turn out all right...Oh i do hope so...
That is one beautiful little girl...

cashman 08-09-2007 23:33

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 469206)
I still have a gut feeling that it will turn out all right...Oh i do hope so...
That is one beautiful little girl...

i think everyone would hope that granny, unfortunatly i fear the worst.:(

BERNADETTE 09-09-2007 00:52

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 469178)
Yes... and if the child was killed by some tragic accident why should the parents try to cover up ?.. it's all rubbish.. the police are really scraping the barrel.

Why should the police try to scrape the barrel? Surely they want to find out what happened!!!

cashman 09-09-2007 01:04

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 469178)
Yes... and if the child was killed by some tragic accident why should the parents try to cover up ?.. it's all rubbish.. the police are really scraping the barrel.

their position in society could be a good reason, if that turns out to be the case. everybodys not like us mancie.

BERNADETTE 09-09-2007 01:20

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 469223)
their position in society could be a good reason, if that turns out to be the case. everybodys not like us mancie.

Quite right Cash , had it been mine or your child we would have been the main suspect from day one!!!

beechy 09-09-2007 06:41

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
it would appear being god fearing people
has been their downfall
how can a crumpled page in bible
suddenly become the main clue as to their guilt
once again to echo most peoples thoughts
incompetance

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2007 08:29

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 469189)
ThePortugese police force must have been 'monitoring the McCanns movements early on in this sad story as it 'smelled' rather fishy,

I absolutely agree there Ian. They would have been watched, which is why it makes it even more implausible that they could have hired a car 25 days later in order to dispose of a decomposing body which the police have still failed to locate!

jambutty 09-09-2007 09:36

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 469206)
I still have a gut feeling that it will turn out all right...Oh i do hope so...
That is one beautiful little girl...

Would your feeling still be the same if it were an ugly looking child?

Has anyone else noticed that whenever there is a tragic event, if the victim is young female, she is always described as beautiful as if that had something to do with the grief?

The McCanns have stated that they are not running away from Portugal but returning home for the sake of the twins.

It took them three months to consider the twins???

West Ender 09-09-2007 14:36

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
In their defense, bearing in mind I don't think they are a very likeable couple and I don't know all the facts, when they said they were staying in Portugal I believe they thought the child would be found before too long. I think the length of time that has elapsed has made them realise she's unlikely to be found and they can't stay there for ever. The Press was saying 2 weeks ago that they were going to return to England.

I find it ironic that the outpourings of sympathy for the McCanns have now given way to condemnation in some quarters. They may have contributed to the childs disappearance, they are certainly guilty of leaving the opportunity open by their negligence, but I don't know and neither does anyone else who is not directly involved in the case. I strongly suspect that the Portugese police simply want to wrap the case up, one way or the other, and aren't too fussy how it comes about.

grego 09-09-2007 19:30

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 469317)
In their defense, bearing in mind I don't think they are a very likeable couple and I don't know all the facts, when they said they were staying in Portugal I believe they thought the child would be found before too long. I think the length of time that has elapsed has made them realise she's unlikely to be found and they can't stay there for ever. The Press was saying 2 weeks ago that they were going to return to England.

I find it ironic that the outpourings of sympathy for the McCanns have now given way to condemnation in some quarters. They may have contributed to the childs disappearance, they are certainly guilty of leaving the opportunity open by their negligence, but I don't know and neither does anyone else who is not directly involved in the case. I strongly suspect that the Portugese police simply want to wrap the case up, one way or the other, and aren't too fussy how it comes about.

I agree, I find it very hard to believe they've hurt their own child, though as I've said before they are guilty of negligence.

grannyclaret 09-09-2007 23:58

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
I just hope this all has a happy outcome, Its gone on so long,
I hope if/when ,they do find Madaline alive and well, she remembers her family.. At that age she may have forgoten,

magpie 10-09-2007 08:25

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
I hope now they are back in England that the social services look into...
the fact that they left their little children alone!

also are the other children going to be safe?

panther 20-02-2008 18:58

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
well looks like this thread is always gonna crop up...
another sighting??
Dutch Tourist Reports Alleged Sighting Of Madeleine McCann |Sky News|UK News

jaysay 21-02-2008 09:31

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by panther (Post 533790)
well looks like this thread is always gonna crop up...
another sighting??
Dutch Tourist Reports Alleged Sighting Of Madeleine McCann |Sky News|UK News

I just hope that this isn't another case of people wanting their fifteen minutes of fame

BERNADETTE 30-04-2008 17:38

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Programme on ITV at eight tonight, looks like it could be worth watching.

katex 30-04-2008 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 569633)
Programme on ITV at eight tonight, looks like it could be worth watching.

Thanks for the reminder Bernadette .. 12 months .. gosh .. what a nightmare for the parents. Will not remove my avatar ever, until there is some closure on this.

grego 30-04-2008 18:56

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Its hard to believe its nearly a year, that poor child, I do feel for the family too but not as much as I feel for her.

Lilly 30-04-2008 20:30

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[quote=katex;569645. Will not remove my avatar ever, until there is some closure on this.[/quote]

Same here, Katex.

Some might ask us what good we're doing but I will not forget this case and keeping this avatar shows that.

Neil 30-04-2008 20:37

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 569710)
Same here, Katex.

Some might ask us what good we're doing but I will not forget this case and keeping this avatar shows that.

Even though many people believe she was killed due to the amount of media coverage making it impossible to hide her?

Lilly 30-04-2008 20:41

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 569712)
Even though many people believe she was killed due to the amount of media coverage making it impossible to hide her?


Even though many people believe she was killed due to the amount of media coverage making it impossible to hide her, Neil.

grannyclaret 30-04-2008 23:31

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Having watched most of the programme tonight,I have a bit more to watch yet..I truely believe her parents have no connection with her disapearance..What a horrible year they must have had

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garinda 30-04-2008 23:41

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 569773)
I truely believe her parents have no connection with her disapearance..What a horrible year they must have had

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I watched it too and thought the same thing. They said tonight that they had kidnapping profilers telling them from the start not to show any emotion, as this may spur the person who had Madeline to harm her.

A year on they look like a couple of parents who are almost broken.

Like the father of Elizabeth Smart told them, the girl found after many months after being abducted, never give up hope.

cherokee 30-04-2008 23:44

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
I still believe this child will come home.. dont know why but it is a lot like the ben case ,I know he still isnt home but theres something about this one that makes me thinks she will be home ..

BERNADETTE 01-05-2008 00:32

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
No sympathy for them as in the programme it was revealed that they had left the children the night before. Otherwise why would Maddie be asking why they didn't come when she and her brother were crying the night before? She asked this at breakfast time on the day she disappeared, my god they should be done for neglect. Just hope that by some miracle she turns up safe!!!

garinda 01-05-2008 00:40

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 569785)
No sympathy for them as in the programme it was revealed that they had left the children the night before. Otherwise why would Maddie be asking why they didn't come when she and her brother were crying the night before? She asked this at breakfast time on the day she disappeared, my god they should be done for neglect. Just hope that by some miracle she turns up safe!!!

We've been in the same situation, either the children come with us, or we take it in turns stay in to eat. I could not have left them out of earshot, just to make sure they weren't crying or frightened.

They did admit they were wrong to do so, and will have to live with that guilt. It still doesn't mean I can't feel sympathy towards their plight though.

BERNADETTE 01-05-2008 00:48

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 569786)
We've been in the same situation, either the children come with us, or we take it in turns stay in to eat. I could not have left them out of earshot, just to make sure they weren't crying or frightened.

They did admit they were wrong to do so, and will have to live with that guilt. It still doesn't mean I can't feel sympathy towards their plight though.

If it were you or I we would have been investigated and made to feel like bad parents, just because they have money should not make them any better.

garinda 01-05-2008 00:54

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 569787)
If it were you or I we would have been investigated and made to feel like bad parents, just because they have money should not make them any better.

I think some of th vile hate mail that was shown in the programme, cursing them and their children, probably makes them feel like bad parents already.

A year ago I was one of the people here unable to fathom what they did.

I'd never do it.

They did, and are sadly paying the consequences.

BERNADETTE 01-05-2008 00:59

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 569789)
I think some of th vile hate mail that was shown in the programme, cursing them and their children, probably makes them feel like bad parents already.

A year ago I was one of the people here unable to fathom what they did.

I'd never do it.

They did, and are sadly paying the consequences.

They are bad parents why should they be made to feel any different to a bad parent without money?? Just don't trust that man and think she is frightened of him. I think that came across quite clear in the programme.


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