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i think it says something about us as a society, that our police ARE much more experianced at this sort of thing, wouldnt it be nicer to live in a place where the police are not used do carrying out this work day after day?
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:confused: I don't know what happened but I will await the official report because none of us know. |
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It also said on the news today that the apartment hasn't been used by any other holiday makers, and is being kept as a crime scene. The McCanns were interviewed together today on the BBC, and said they were hurt by all the speculation that they are somehow involved with Madeline's disappearance because of this new information about what may, or may not be, a blood stain. The simple fact is we simply do not know. |
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I've mentioned on here before how my then eighteen year old cousin was murdered in Bolton-le-Sands fourteen years ago. He was murdered at home when he came home from school, and one of the hardest things I remember about that sad time was all the speculation and innuendo, both in the press and by people who didn't know a thing.
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You're right, just because I saw something on the TV, doesn't make it any more of an accurate report, than what you read in the newspaper. All of it is speculation, and we only get to know what they want us to know anyway. |
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Slightly disturbing news today that Madeleine's mother is going to be made a formal suspect in the case!
I can't imagine that she's guilty for one minute. Just looking at the logistics surely, if she had done it then she wouldn't have been able to take the body very far in the time she had and it would have been found by now! But I find it very unbelievable that she would hurt her own child or even sell her - so bizarre! |
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Apparently they have to make her a formal suspect before they can ask her some questions they want to ask. It sounds a weird legal system they have over there.
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Isn't this all so typical of the bungling way the Portugese police have handled this case? I know someone who works very closely with police, in this country, who deal with "specialised" cases. When the child went missing they said they would go to Portugal immediately, with all their resources, to help with the investigation. The Portugese police refused to allow them to do so and have stumbled along ever since, only accepting help far too late.
I am very sorry to say, and I desperately hope I'm proved wrong, that I have thought from the start that the child is dead. I have never thought, and I still don't, that her parents have harmed her. I don't believe the other suspect, Robert Muran, had anything to do with the case either. He was "fingered" by a fanciful reporter, clutching at straws, just as Mrs McCann is now. |
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its saying now that Portuguese police have suggested to Kate McCann that traces of her daughter's blood were found in a car the family hired 25 days after the girl went missing, :eek:
kate McCann being treated as if "involved in daughters death"!!! |
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whatever the outcome of this tragedy it has been a mess of an investigation from day1.personally i dont think it was the Mcanns n like westender i dont think it was the guy they first suspected the fact that does remain= none of us know! what is also a fact = most children that are killed are done too by close family or someone they know:eek: i hope that is not the case, but who knows?:(
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Or, it could be that they are claiming that they are going to arrest her as a bluff - they may think it is the husband or one of the other members of the party and they are hoping that something will slip if they appear to be blaming an innocent person.
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i would have thought that if the Mcanns had anything to do with the poor kids disappearance, the survival instinct would kick in, and Portugal is the LAST place they would have stayed.:confused:
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It is looking more likely that a charge is going to be brought, accor.ding to the family spokesperson Kate has been named as the primary suspect with Gerry as a witness
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i think the local jo law has no ideas left and need to charge someone for something so as not to seem incompetent |
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I'll be very surprised if Kate McCann is found guilty of a crime here. It's very worrying indeed. I hope she's not about to be framed for something she hasn't done just so the Portugese police can say they've solved the case.:(
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Doesn't make much sense that; if they had been responsible for the girls death and moved the body 20 days later there wouldn't be any blood leaking anywhere, and it's too much of a coincidence for the car to have been hired out to the perpetrator and then to them .:confused:
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We'll find out eventually. |
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I have been saying that from day one!!
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Until we know any facts, I still think it's sad that people are playing amateur sleuth.
It helps no one, especially not the poor child. |
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It has just been said on Sky News that a member of Kate's family has said that Kate was offered a deal by Portugese police to confess to accidentally killing Madeleine and disposing of her body. In return they would guarantee that she would serve no more than 2 years in prison.:(
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And if she is totally innocent meanwhile a child abductor/abuser/murder goes free?
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just seen that the Mcanns lawyer has said the father has also been named as a suspect. this seems to be on information passed from the british (Birmingham)the lab, while i find it hard to believe they are guilty, if the portugese were trying to fit them up (as some suspect) i think that 2 countries police forces colluding a hell of a site harder to believe.:(
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Seems that when the police are under immense pressure to nail a culprit they will resort to fitting people up.. while the real culprit gets off scot free! |
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Why should it be unusual for the car to have her DNA though? I mean how strange would it be for the parents to have something in their possession which had the child's DNA? A hair on a garment they hadn't worn since her disappearance for example. Then several days later they wear that garment when using a hire car.
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There has been something about this whole business which has sat awkwardly with me from the start and I think, in the main, it is the lack of the expected reactions from those involved. The first suspect appeared to be taking all of the acusations in his stride when, if he were innocent and uninvolved, one would normally expect him to be shouting his innocence from the rooftops and demanding that his accusors either put up or shut up. The other thing that puzzles me is the actions and reactions of the parents over the last few months - this is just not normal. A couple who appeared to be less like anxious, grieving parents and more like two people playing a role it would be hard to imagine.
The whole thing was discussed at dinner the other night, chez Acrylic bob, and an elderly relative with a psychic reputation said that when she first saw the picture of the missing child shortly after the story broke in May, she was struck by the overwhelming impression that the child was abused - something in the eyes and the set of the lips, apparently. I honestly do not know what to think about the situation, but I am certain that we have not yet heard the truth. |
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I do not thimk we will ever know the truth the suspects have managed to keep silent (if they knew anything) for all this time are highly unlikely to admit anything now. The Keystone Portugese police force have little or no evidence that fact is plainly obvious, this will forever be a mystery to anyone but a few.
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I have to say I am not sure if I could describe what a "normal" reaction might be since such reactions vary in intensity from person to person. But I do feel that the "media blitz" approach is somehow not the thing that one would usually expect - there is something lacking. and it is that imponderable "something" which sets my antenae twitching.
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The campaign launched by the family has blown up in their faces. From the start it angered a lot of people because it was manipulated to elicit sympathy and donations to a cause that was not unique. It worked in that it became quite the In Thing to show support, the yellow ribbons etc., and it brought in a lot of money but there were always those who remembered that many children go missing without constant media hype surrounding their cases.
I do not know the McCanns but, from what I've seen of them, I don't like them. He appears to be an arrogant and manipulative man and she seems to go from one extreme to the other in her displays, or not, of emotion. That doesn't mean, however, that I believe they harmed the child. I am no more privvy to any real evidence than anyone else on this site and it's not for me to judge. The police case against the mother seems implausible to say the least. She is alleged to have killed the child and concealed the body before going for a meal and behaving perfectly normally then faking devastation at finding her "missing". She is then alleged to have kept the corpse hidden for 3 weeks, despite the police asserting that they have made a thorough search of the area, then removed it in a hired car, unseen by the possé of Press who have been in constant attendance. The dead body of the child is said to have deposited blood stains in the car which seems unlikely as, after 3 weeks, I would expect severe decomposition rather than bleeding, particularly in a hot climate. The Portugese police seem to be following the sentiments of the population and the media. When "sightings" of the child were being reported on a daily basis they were certain the child had been abducted. Next they assumed that Robert Murat had abducted/murdered the child, because a reporter said he was "behaving just like Ian Huntley", and made him the prime suspect. Now that the locals have tired of the McCann circus and hinted that the child has been killed by her parents the police have decided that must be the solution. I have no idea what the outcome of this case will be. I have thought from the start that the little girl was probably dead and I have found the "Find Madeleine" campaign hysterical and over-hyped but I can only wait to see what further evidence is produced. That's all any of us can do. |
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To add to the implausability of the case that the police appear to be making against the McGanns at the moment - the couple remained in Portugal at the scene of the supposed crime and instead of trying to play things down they made a huge public affair of it. Surely no one could be so hard faced that they could accidentally kill their own child then attempt to capitalise on it in such a way that brings excessive amounts of publicity to the case?
Additionally they appear to claim that the cause of death was accidental overdose of a sedative. These two people are both Doctors - surely if anyone knew the exact measure to give to anyone to sedate them they would know. I find it all a bit odd. |
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The McCann’s keen to get to the dinner party couldn’t get Madeleine settled and asleep before they left? Kids don’t always go to sleep on command. Sometimes they like to play it up a bit or they are not tired. They could hardly leave whilst the child was still awake so Mr Mc says to Mrs Mc lets give her some xxxxxx. After all they are both doctors and would have something to hand for emergencies. What if Mr Mc gave the child a sedative and then Mrs Mc did the same without realising that Mr Mc had already done so. They come back from dinner, check on the kids and find Madeleine dead from an accidental overdose. Panic! What to do? Answer! Hide the body away from the apartment. Stage a break in. Call in the police with the abduction story. Eventually hire a car and take the body away to some remote place and bury it. A putrefying body could easily transfer bloody material to Mr or Mrs McGann’s clothes to then rub off in the hired car. In the meantime make their concern as high profile as possible to establish what bereaved parents they were. As Sherlock Holmes used to state something to the effect of, “if you discard all the evidence leaving only the highly improbable then that must be it.” Fanciful? Probably but in the light of events it has to be considered and not discarded until proven to be inaccurate. |
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This case as always gives me a sense that all isn’t right in the coal shed. I have always believed that one or both parents have something to hide over the loss/death of their child.
What struck me the other day was the mother saying that they where loving, responsible parents? This does not fit the picture of parents leaving three children under the age of three alone whilst they go out to enjoy a evening meal, being medical professionals you would have thought that they would have understood the risks involved in leaving underage children alone at night, especially in a strange place. I would also consider the repetitive visiting of the apartment through the night a bit risky also. Personally I feel that the Police are closer to the truth than we might expect. Whatever the case these people should be subject to investigation on there eventual return home for negligence and child neglect the same as any parent would face in the UK for leaving children alone and exposed. The other thing that struck me was the fact that until last week the parents of Madeline had insisted that would stay abroad until the daughter was found, after becoming suspects they have made the statement that they can’t wait to leave Portugal. Strange that. Just word of caution. In Britain most child murders are done by a parent, relative or someone known to them, and quite often it is a child from a normal family with a good reputation. I think we would wish or want the outcome to be different, for the perpetrator to be caught and for Madeline to come home to her family, God if it could be, then let it be, but I fear this may turn into one of those tragic cases where an act of selfishness lead to the death of a loved one. What ever the truth, let there be justice. |
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ThePortugese police force must have been 'monitoring the McCanns movements early on in this sad story as it 'smelled' rather fishy,two educated parents leaving three very young children alone to wine and dine is a crime against humanity, they could have done anything as kids, will be kids and no sane person could have been so stupid, They are now being turned into scapegoats for the most innefecient police force in the world.
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well said Doug
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I still have a gut feeling that it will turn out all right...Oh i do hope so...
That is one beautiful little girl... |
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it would appear being god fearing people
has been their downfall how can a crumpled page in bible suddenly become the main clue as to their guilt once again to echo most peoples thoughts incompetance |
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Has anyone else noticed that whenever there is a tragic event, if the victim is young female, she is always described as beautiful as if that had something to do with the grief? The McCanns have stated that they are not running away from Portugal but returning home for the sake of the twins. It took them three months to consider the twins??? |
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In their defense, bearing in mind I don't think they are a very likeable couple and I don't know all the facts, when they said they were staying in Portugal I believe they thought the child would be found before too long. I think the length of time that has elapsed has made them realise she's unlikely to be found and they can't stay there for ever. The Press was saying 2 weeks ago that they were going to return to England.
I find it ironic that the outpourings of sympathy for the McCanns have now given way to condemnation in some quarters. They may have contributed to the childs disappearance, they are certainly guilty of leaving the opportunity open by their negligence, but I don't know and neither does anyone else who is not directly involved in the case. I strongly suspect that the Portugese police simply want to wrap the case up, one way or the other, and aren't too fussy how it comes about. |
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I just hope this all has a happy outcome, Its gone on so long,
I hope if/when ,they do find Madaline alive and well, she remembers her family.. At that age she may have forgoten, |
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I hope now they are back in England that the social services look into...
the fact that they left their little children alone! also are the other children going to be safe? |
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well looks like this thread is always gonna crop up...
another sighting?? Dutch Tourist Reports Alleged Sighting Of Madeleine McCann |Sky News|UK News |
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Programme on ITV at eight tonight, looks like it could be worth watching.
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Its hard to believe its nearly a year, that poor child, I do feel for the family too but not as much as I feel for her.
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[quote=katex;569645. Will not remove my avatar ever, until there is some closure on this.[/quote]
Same here, Katex. Some might ask us what good we're doing but I will not forget this case and keeping this avatar shows that. |
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Even though many people believe she was killed due to the amount of media coverage making it impossible to hide her, Neil. |
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Having watched most of the programme tonight,I have a bit more to watch yet..I truely believe her parents have no connection with her disapearance..What a horrible year they must have had
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A year on they look like a couple of parents who are almost broken. Like the father of Elizabeth Smart told them, the girl found after many months after being abducted, never give up hope. |
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I still believe this child will come home.. dont know why but it is a lot like the ben case ,I know he still isnt home but theres something about this one that makes me thinks she will be home ..
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No sympathy for them as in the programme it was revealed that they had left the children the night before. Otherwise why would Maddie be asking why they didn't come when she and her brother were crying the night before? She asked this at breakfast time on the day she disappeared, my god they should be done for neglect. Just hope that by some miracle she turns up safe!!!
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They did admit they were wrong to do so, and will have to live with that guilt. It still doesn't mean I can't feel sympathy towards their plight though. |
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A year ago I was one of the people here unable to fathom what they did. I'd never do it. They did, and are sadly paying the consequences. |
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