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Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
Looks like a 3 year old child has been abducted from a hotel room in Portugal while her parents were out at a nearby restaurant, whilst this is awful and I really hope they find her safe and well, what were they thinking leaving them like that.
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heard that on the news this morning, my sister is going away tomorrow to ibiza for 2 weeks with the kids, its so scarey, i know it aint going to happen again but i just hope to god she keeps an extra eye on them whilst out there
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I think its really frightening and agree with Less regarding rotation for babysitting, aren't Mark Warner holidays specially designed for families and offer babysitting facility? Or am I thinking of a different company, needless to say hope she's found safe and well the parents must be going through hell.
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yeah that was on the news too grego, they are supposed to provide an excellent cc service, seems it isnt that way though
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It said on the news this morning that there is a babysitting service at this resort but that just means that someone goes round checking on any kids left in their care every half hour. Whilst I have every sympathy for the family this has happened to and hope the little girl is found safe and well, there's no way I would ever have left mine alone in those circumstances especially at such a young age
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exactly accymad
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'babysitting is available on request at additional charge.'
http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_h...club/childcare There is no way I would leave a three year old alone, presumably locked in a room, unless a baby sitter was sat outside, and had access to the child if she cried. That said, I hope she's soon found safe and well. |
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Its negligence outright negligence on the part of the parents. If you have young children abroad your fist and only concern should be their safety not a meal and fun with pals. Even if there is a child checking service or babysitting services that is besies the point THE CHILD COMES FIRST!! If they had wanted time on their own yes the sitting duties could be shared as has been suggested yet they were complaicent. Hope the find the little un and she is fine but sympathy for her parents aint got any and hope the food was worth the anguish they feel now.
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I agree Spuggie, checking on a 3 year old every half an hour just isn't good enough, what happens if the child wakes up, possible fire anything could happen. I would never leave my children with this kind of babysitting service, to me a babysitting service should be someone actually being inside your apartment looking after the children, but once again really hope they find her.
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I wouldn't dream of leaving a 3 year old alone for half an hour. :( I do hope she is found safe and well.
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Was listening to the report on it on News 24 and how people were saying at home the child was never out of site. Yet they go abroad and it seems they left all those safeguards they use at home in a "cupboard" even though they are in essence in a alien enviroment of which they have no knowledge. Madness absolute madness.
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I doubt very much that this is the first time they'd left her whilst abroad, someone has been watching to know that there was a child there and that she was left alone. I feel for the poor little girl who's been let down by her parents, I dont even want to think what might be happening to her.
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i couldnt leave my kids on thier own! they either came with me or i just didnt go out!!
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Omg that is awful :mad: I just hope and pray that the little mite is found safe and well.
Who in their right mind would go out and leave a 3 year old baby ( cos that is all a 3 year old is....a bloody baby). It just doesn't bare thinking about.:( |
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has anyone heard anymore about it? have they found her yet?
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There were also 2yr old twin boys in the room, what surprised me was the couple are both doctors, I must admit when I first saw the news I immediately thought the parents would be chavs.
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Yeah your right, family friends said they'd never leave them at home so why think its ok when you go on holiday.
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Whilst I'm very sad that a child has been abducted I can't help but feel absolutely furious at the parents.
What's most annoying is that there are so many restaurants in tourist resorts that have no objection to kids coming along. In all the years we've been going abroad with the kids we've taken them out with us in the evening. To go out and leave your children behind is selfish and stupid. |
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I'm with you on that one Gayle, total stupidity, just hope she's found safe and well.
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It would be interesting to see if the parents are charged with neglect or not, hopefully there will be a happy ending to it but either way neglect is neglect.
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Madeleine, who turns four next Friday, and her two-year-old twin brother and sister Sean and Amelie were left in their apartment alone as their parents dined at the tapas restaurant 200 yards away.
The resort offered a creche service but the couple opted to leave the children sleeping at the apartment, taking turns to check on them at regular intervals. http://www.channel4.com/news/article...ortugal/497577 I really hope this child is found safely, and that her parent's are then prosecuted. They even have the cheek to complain the police aren't doing enough to find her, after leaving three young children unattended whilst they enjoyed their dinner. By the way, the regular interval was an hour after last checking, according to latest reports. |
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Still no sign of her, how awful for the parents, but i would never have left my children alone not for one minute!
not in this day and age, when we were kids you could leave your door open and have no worries, it says they shut the shutters but left the windows and doors behind them unlocked! Lets just hope she is found safe and well soon! tracey |
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i totally agree who would leave a 3yr old i have a 2yr old girl and i would never dream of leaving her alone i would rather stop in and play scrabble which i'm rubbish at lol ,than leave her! i only have 2 babysitters that i would leave my kids with and thats there grandparents if they can't do it i stop in!!!! thats all there is to it. especially in a different country.
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have kept well away from this one as my language regarding the parents would have me struck off. hope the child is recovered safe, and hope those 2 SELFISH BARSTEWARDS are prosecuted.
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Although feel was neglectful of the parents to leave them, and for all who have commented that "we would never leave our children in any circumstances" even popping to the shop or visiting our next door neighbour for a short while ? could not bring themselves to do this, myself included; incidents like this can happen within 5 minutes too. Let's concentrate firstly on wishing that this child is found and not cloud the searchers' efforts in this case.
Even if they had employed the services of the creche, they would probably have only visited the room at certain intervals anyway. Don't know if anyone here remembers the Butlin's child patrol? They were just merely notified of parents going to the main entertainment halls for the night and only listened and inspected the outside of the chalets for any disturbances. Remember well the tannoy announcements of "Baby crying in No.47" .. always thought this was a strange type of babysitting .. well, that would not go down very well these days, would it ? Or is it still acceptable ? |
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I'm having second thoughts about this one. The first report I heard made it sound like they'd gone out for the evening and left the child alone in the hotel. The last report I heard they were dining in the hotel resort restaurant and could see the door of their room from where they were. That puts a different light on things. I have said I would never leave a 3 year old child alone but I've done it every night when mine were 3. They went to bed and were left alone upstairs in their own bedrooms whilst my husband and I would be downstairs in the dining room having our dinner. If all was quiet up there I never even looked in on them because to do so would have disturbed them. Does that make me a bad mother?
I do hope this little girl is found and that she's OK. The parents must be frantic with worry and probably did believe they didn't need the creche services as they were doing the job themselves just as the baby checking service would have done. |
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No it dosnt Willow but the more that comes out the more it seems it wasnt as it was first made out.
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The newsreader this morning was trying to make out it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do as the resort is very safe and child friendly and the restaurant is on complex, just round the corner from their apartment. Sorry but I still dont think its acceptable, my children are upstairs alone during the evening this is normal, I'm in the house, all the doors are locked and I can hear any move they make it is not the same thing at all.
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was just gonna say that myself grego, i dont check on my kids either, if there is a problem i will definatley know about it! but i would never leave em in the house on their own, not even sit in a neighbours house, they come with me or i dont go at all.
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The fact remains that there is a child missing in a foreign country. The parents must be frantic and probably beside themselves with guilt and worry. However, the parents have been extremely negligent and foolish and hopefully this incident will be investigated thoroughly by the police child protection dept and social services on their return home. Had they employed the babysitting service, even if it turns out that checks are only half hourly, the parents would have then been seen to have tried to ensure their childrens' safety.
We all know that young children can wake up at frequent intervals and get up to all sorts of mischief, even when their parents are in the same house, but at least the parents are within earshot when in the same house (my mum will testify to this because she used to catch me getting up to all sorts when I was supposed to be asleep). :) |
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Julie and I would never leave Siobhan alone. on hols we put her to bed and sit on the balcony talking, playing cards etc. At no point would we leave her alone even for two minutes.
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There are so many conflicting reports on this. I don't think I can have a proper opinion until there has been an investigation. To say a resort is safe is poppycock because by virtue of the simple fact that it is a resort they can have absolutely no idea what kind of people are there at any given time.
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come to think of it, was the child kidnapped or has something else happened to her? sorry to put more of a downer on it but it has been know before
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or was it a member of the family?? if she was kidnapped why did no one hear her, yet if she knew someone she would come quietly!:( horrible to think off but it does happen |
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I don't feel I have any right to 'judge' these parents. The only thing I feel for them right now is absolute sympathy that their little sweetheart is missing. They must be at this time, in their own personal hell. I can't even begin to imagine what they are actually going through. I hope and pray this little girl is found safely but as the time goes on that she is missing it seems ever more less likely ..... Just remember when your criticising the parents that, they will have to live with the guilt of this one terrible decision for the rest of their lives ..... but for the grace of God, springs to mind |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6627605.stm Police have a suspect in mind for possible abduction & in area of resort. |
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"Three Family Liaison Officers from Leicestershire Police are due to arrive in the Algarve at the request of the Foreign Office." Do we assume all other children in Leicestershire are safe and sound ? |
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Ask martyn or V hehehehehehehehehehhe:D Dont know what the usual amount of liason officers that handle one case of missing child:confused: |
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As much as i have sympathy with the family at this really bad time, yes im no perfect parent myself but some peoples brains go out of the window when on holiday even worse abroad!! This family is paying the consequences enough without my input on it, just hope this child is found safe & unharmed without anything sinister untoward as i get the feeling:(
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Yes it is, it's their job to make sure the Portugese police are doing their job properly and report back to the family on developments. Would you have the same opinion if you knew there had been 6 family liason officers working with the Soham families? |
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I'm questioning how many it needs, not the actual need for one at all. And yes I would question why Soham needed 6 if thats what happened. |
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Seriously Dave, if you read the book Holly Well's dad wrote you would see how invaluable family liaison officers are to these families. |
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Far from it, have you been outside today ? :). |
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Forty hours since the sad episode started and it dosnt seem to be getting far but I hope the little lassie is found soon and is non the worse for this ordeal.
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"It was hours before the local police turned up and we're talking two bobbies that totally downplayed the incident and said that Maddie had maybe just wandered off."
Maybe they said that in order to try to reassure the parents that she probably hadn't come to any harm. They are hardly likely to say "OMG she's probably being raped and murdered!" are they? I think it's unfair of the relatives to be criticising the police. |
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Which is probably why the police try to play it down in the hope that it will all turn out OK.
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i really hope it does, hope its good news. fingers crossed!!
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Responding to criticism that the police had been slow to respond, Mr Encarnacao said officers arrived at the scene 10 minutes after being alerted to the disappearance.
An investigation unit began work within 30 minutes, he added. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6627605.stm |
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That was my first thought too.When a friend mentioned it to me I thought they must be dobbers.Just goes to show doesn't it,that we shouldn't jump to conclusions. |
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Did they not think when they left the children in the room that those children could have also been lost if there had been a fire!! the room was locked with the babies inside!
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Whatever the right and wrongs of this dreadful nightmare is,,time is marching on and that child must be petrified,,,MY PRAYERS HUMBLE AS THEY ARE ,are with her and her family...
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We should not be castigating the parents for what they did.......THEY will be punishing themselves enough without us offering our two pennorth.
Apparently the restaurant was 40 yards from their front door......I'm sure all of us have left our children playing within sight in the past. It is easy to pass judgement on something like this, but we only have the facts via newspapers etc. |
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Well, Cashie, you are right about the dining in Europe with children. Perhaps the couple felt that their children were safe because they could see the apartment. I still don't think we should be judging them......as i say, the news media can tell a story with the bias to make it newsworthy...and we may not be getting the whole story......besides, these parents will be doing their own punishment until their child is found. I always think that perhaps we could all be a bit more charitable.......and realise there but for the grace of God.
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Well, at least the Portuguese are rallying and giving comfort without judgement.
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Yes, and isn't that a good thing......can you imagine what these parents are feeling at the moment. You wouldn't want to be in their shoes for anything.
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I really don't know how they are managing to function ... I swear, I would have to be permanently sedated. |
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Compassion costs nothing. Any one of us could be in a similar position. My heart goes out to them....as it would to any mother who is living through a similar nightmare.
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I truly hope the child is returned unharmed, but no-one should be allowed to duck under the responsibility of how the child was left vulnerable in the first place. :( |
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Yes, Less...and we are all human and capable of making poor judgements.....and it matters not what the social standing of this family are......they are surely in a very lonely place at this moment......saying to themselves 'if only.....'
condemnation of their bad judgement doesn't help them..... and believe me thay will KNOW what millions of people are thinking......and that is that they are bad parents. They made a wrong call and we can all do that. |
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no one heard owt yet?
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Been watching news 24, nothing yet.
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I will repeat that my main concern is that the child is returned safe and well. but taking your child/children on holiday to a strange land and leaving him/her/them alone, is almost as bad as just giving your children a tenner and saying, "mummy is off on holiday look after yourself until I get back", that isn't tolerated and nor should just assuming they will be alright in a strange bedroom. It is negligence and that is what has caused the problem in the first place. :( |
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I don't think anyone will diagree Less that, initially, does appear negligent of the parents, however, just hope that these thoughts are not affecting anybody's good wishes and efforts for the return of this little girl; she is the main concern at the moment.
I know they could take them with them in Europeon countries, but have found this extremely cruel at times too. Not so bad when a child is still in their pram (can sleep there anyway), but how often have you seen older children, running themselves ragged, sweating with little red faces and then the tiredness envelops them, they get slightly naughty and scoldings follow,that is not acceptable to me either. |
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Well, Less....you are entitled to your point of view (as we all are)....and your observations may be right.....but like katex, I have seen children on the continent kept up until all hours......and they become over tired and fractious. Not a holiday for the parents or the children....well, not a relaxing one anyway. Maybe such young children should not be taken on european holdays.....maybe they would have been at much the same risk in this country too.
However you cut it, this family will never be the same again......even if the child is returned unharmed......the mother and father will never let them out of their sight again. |
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I've had worrying moments when I thought one or other of my children was missing even though I was trying to keep an eye on them all the time. It's so easy to condemn people without knowing the full story.None of us were there at the time and there are so many conflicting stories in the press. I really don't think we should be condemning the parents. They probably thought it was kinder to let a tired child sleep than to drag her along to a meal she didn't want.
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Although I can see everyones point of view too, we took Ellie abroad when she was two and when she was three, she came with us for dinner then we had a drink at the mini (kids) disco then at around 2100hrs we took a bottle of wine back to the room and put her to bed. I dont like seeing children out late or really around other people drinking but they did have other options open to them, I feel for them I really do and hopefully she'll be returned safe but what they did was irresponsible and that cant really be argued.
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Still no news as yet :mad: Every day I read the news hoping and praying there has been something. Poor little mite. I feel for the parents, yes it was irresponsible but if they had known they would never have let this happen.
It is every parents worse nightmare and thats why I wouldn't leave my children alone while I went out for a meal. I will carry on hoping and praying for the safe return of this precious little girl. God only knows what them parents are going through.:( |
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my prayers are for the little girl,s safe re-turns and i hope she is found safe and sound god bless to the family
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Anyone who has children KNOWS what they are going through...it is your worst nightmare.
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No problem with that, if I was a praying man, (and even though I'm not), I hope the child is returned unharmed. But they still left not just that child but the twins unguarded, (no mention of the other children), I have been on holiday, but wherever I went either I, my wife, or some other responsible adult, there with their own children, we would sacrifice our free time to make sure the children were cared for. Again, I say, I hope the child is found safe and well, but Again, I say this is the parents responsibility as tragic as it may seem. |
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Of course making sure your children are safe is a parents responsibility....do you think these parents will not know that? As i said they made a bad call, and they are paying in the worst way possible.
I made mistakes as a parent. I remember leaving my 12 week old baby in a pram parked outside the butchers shop......I only realised something was missing when I got home. I hurried back and she was still there.....OK it was 39 years ago, and life was a bit different then. |
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I plead let it drop for now .. judgement will be handed out later. Do not wish any negative feelings to distract the searchers which it could easily do. As for the 'Chav' theme, not in agreement here with you .. they are already raising animosity world wide, and this thread proves it. |
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My point precisely Katex, but perhaps I didn't say it as eloquently.
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I've been in a state of panic when I thought one of my children was missing. We were in WH Smith's in Peterborough. She was about 4 and her sister was in a pushchair. One minute she was there by our side holding hands, the next minute she's slipped away and we were frantic, looked everywhere - couldn't see her in the shop or outside in the (pedestrian) street and I was panic stricken - it turned out she'd spotted a children's reading area down the bottom end of the shop and was sitting at a table looking at books. She must have been round the other side of a shelf looking at the books when we first looked down there.
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I have never been perfect, but so far as my children are concerned they always came first, if I had to sacrifice a bit of my enjoyment to ensure their safety then I would. So far as chavs are concerned I only mentioned it because if the parents had been dole huskies they would have been ripped to ribbons by now, but no, these are reasonably intelligent 'middle class' people that still either make mistakes or don't care about their children and so don't deserve to be criticised? |
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I would never lock anyone i a room never for fear of fire that would be the first thing on my mind not having my child kidnapped i have a fear of fire one of my best friends was burnt in a fire when she was 4 and trust me i know the consequences.
Of course i am not going around thinking oh stupid idiots should never have left the kids in there in the first place i certainly think the same as everyone else I Hope and pray they find the child safe and sound. I know it was a one off and they will do anything in their power to get the child back as would anyone. I only mentioned i wouldnt have left them in there for fear of fire that can happen at any time to anyone. Sorry if i seem to have offended anyone i certainly didnt mean to. |
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Surely There Must Be Some News Soon, Its Awfal For Us Waiting ,,how Must The Parents Be Feeling
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If the police over there think they know roughly where she is and they keep saying they have a artist impression why are they not moving more quickly?:confused: I mean they probably are doing everything they can but time is ticking by. As you say, if its awful for us waiting......what must her poor family be going through. |
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On Saturday, police in the Algarve said they had a "profile" of a man they suspected of kidnapping little Maddy But a Portuguese daily claims the image they have put together is based only on the rear view of a man seen with a child in the area...........why would you put a image together of someone from behind???
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flashytart, dont look like it, you would think they would, wouldnt you, but they say crime is low there!!
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If AccyWeb had a weekly award for the "BEST & SENSIBLE" postings on any particular thread, and I was the adjudicator, I would award it without hesitation to LESS for his contributions to this thread.
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I just keep thinking that the little girl must be scared to death...Poor little mite
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Police searching for missing Madeleine McCann are investigating reports a man was seen dragging a girl towards a marina close to the Portuguese resort where she vanished.
A balding man was reportedly seen with a young girl heading towards the marina in the town of Lagos. On Saturday, detectives said they had a "profile" of a man they suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann. But a Portuguese daily newspaper claims the image they have put together is based only on the rear view of a man seen with a child in the area. The paper, 24 Horas, said: "The person was seen from behind. "We see more of the back of the head and the hair rather than the actual features in the portrait of the man that was seen with a child that night." "If police in the UK were in this situation they would try to round out the picture," he said. "The fact that Portugese police haven't done this suggests to me they may know more than they are letting on." |
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