re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I wonder if anyone on here can say hand on heart that they haven't done something that they regretted afterwards, as the good Lord said let they who are witout sin cast the first stone

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Im not perfect, am sure ive done things ive regretted, infact I know I have, but must admit those things have never included my kids

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I realy think we should adopt that "AMBER ALERT" it sounds so sensible...

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

agree entirely granny.

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They never did say whether they voted for it did they? Think it is a great idea

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One Child Was Rescued ,just As She Was Going To Be Murdered...she Is Now Grown Up And So Grateful To Amber Alert

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Just read this, i think it's disgusting. They should let the public decide if the Amber Alert should be adopted, i have a feeling it would be a great big yes.

Teletext National News

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

in the programme the McAnns said they would not leave the kids when on holiday UNLESS they had a babysitting service in future, Come on theve had a child abducted n still will leave em, they to me don't think theve done owt wrong, i'm sorry but the person i feel sorry for is the CHILD. simple as that.:(

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I don't think id ever let mine out of my sight again..........

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

thats my point emzy, no responsible parent would.

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Agree Cashy. if I was in thier position I woulnd never let mine outta sight ever again, esp in another country.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I agree Cashy, if you go on holiday with your kids then they are with you all the time (unless you go with other family members / close friends who may offer to sit for you) I know if I ever get teh chance to go away, and my boys are with me then I will not be leaving them with no siting service no matter how tempting it may be to have an "evening off" im not very big on leaving my kids with someone who I have no idea who they are or of their past etc or their qualifications.

Yes, I do go out without my boys from time to time but when I do go out my boys are either at their dads house, with a family mamber or with a babysitter who is not a stranger to me or my children.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

You would never have let them out of your sight in the first place!!!

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Only once when abroad did I leave my daughter with a child minder supplied by the hotel for a couple of hours, and believe me I wouldnt trust them either. My daughters cot where all broken due to bad maintanance and the childminder asllep on my bed with a glass of wine:mad::mad:
My daughter heartbroken.
Needless to say she was frogmarched down to reception and sacked on the spot. :mad:

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I try not to judge, but I do find it difficult to comprehend that two well educated people would leave 3 young children alone even for a short while. What if a fire had broken out in the building?

It still seems very strange

"Maddy"
 

As most of you are aware there has been reports/sightings of madeline.
And it was only this week that new evidence has come to light.
A CCTV video was shown in which a young girl of 3-4 yrs of age was walking around a service station claiming to be called "Maddy" and said "Ive been taken from my holiday".
Now its been over a year since her disapearence and yet still many questions have not been answered.

1.) Why on a group holiday was there not an adult watching the children whilst the others were dining?

2.) Why were there not any witnesses to the "abduction" or why wasnt there any cctv picking up anybody leaving the complex?

3.) why was there blood found in the rental car?

4.) Why Maddie...and not the other children that were in the same room?

There are more, but i feel these ones are the most important.
And another thing, if this was an "abduction", why is "maddy" walking around the service station "freely?" In a typical kidnapping the abductee woudlnt allow his/her prisoner to walk around freely, they would keep them locked up in a car or whatever transportation they had.

theres something very strange about the whole thing, which says to me that MAYBE...just maybe her parents ARE in on this. Maybe madeline knows who her kidnappers are and thats why she didnt scream or kick-off when being taken. Maybe thats why she was allowed to walk around un-attended around the shop because the abducters knew she wouldnt walk off or run or scream or ANYTHING because she knows them.

Anyway, something doesnt add-up, never has done.
And this piece of footage should place the mcCanns back as potential suspects.

But, what do you think???

Re: "Maddy"
 

Theres a full thread on this somewhere Danny

Re: "Maddy"
 

I dont blame the parents at all,,,,have we not ALL at some point done something ,which with hindsight was stupid?

Re: "Maddy"
 

I'm not saying that, ofcourse everybodys done something silly before. But the word irresponsible is abit different than the word "silly", and that is ofcourse if they're innocent and had nothing to do with her disapearence.

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There was no blood found in the rental car.. that is a make up by the Express newspaper...and were do you get the information from that the girl.. was walking around in a service station???

Re: "Maddy"
 

There was cctv that showed a little light haired girl, not confirmed to be maddie, very blurred, one of those 'sightings' that cropped up. Was miles away as well I believe, the child was holding the hand of an adult

Re: "Maddy"
 

Don't you think these people..The parents..have suffered enough for leaving the child alone?.. If anyone has evidence that this was a crime commited by them then give it up!..don't rely on the newspapers for gods sake...

Re: "Maddy"
 

Mancie...for the first time ever I agree with you......The media print what they like and get away with it...The parent's of this child are well educated people and don't need the speculation that surrounds this case.
For me, I hope the child is found alive....the sooner the better.

Re: "Maddy"
 

My God, am i agreeing with you again lol

One of the saddest things i have ever seen was driving to work one day soon after Maddie had disappeared, and seeing a procession of cars with the yellow ribbons tied on. Saw on the news later it was the family. My little one is a similar age and this would tear my heart out

Re: "Maddy"
 

I keep my yellow ribbon (as Lilly) in the hope that she will be found at some stage (good or bad news) .. it will stay there until some conclusion as far as I am concerned.

I do not believe for one minute that the parents were involved here at all, and agree they have suffered enough for what I feel was not too bad a crime to leave them, checking every half hour, as would a child-minder. Ok, wouldn't have done it myself, but bet lots of folks have.

The major criminals are the Portuguese police with their inadequate, bad responses to this case. Good point Danny re. the supermarket report .. feel just people jumping on the band wagon of this case.

Re: "Maddy"
 

So many sightings - and they've all come to nothing. Many people on holiday in Malta "saw" the child. The Maltese police (who operate like the British police) investigated and none of the sightings were true.

A woman in Holland says the child was in her shop and said, "My name is Maddie." Kate McCann has said, over and over again, that her daughter called herself Madeleine. The abreviation, Maddie, was made up by the British Press and was never used by the McCanns. The Dutch woman is either lying or deluding herself.

Re: "Maddy"
 

Really Westender ? Just goes to show, doesn't it !

In heart of hearts, I do not believe that this child is still with us, and that it was just a pervert of some sort that saw an opportunity to carry out his fantasies .. not organised paedophile crime or anything... a 'working alone' nutcase.

Re: "Maddy"
 

Whether the poor child was taken by a loner or a paedophile ring I think, like you Kate, she's no longer alive. The horror is unimaginable but I hope, for their sake, the parents find out what happened to her. Heartbreaking as it is, they can have no "closure" until they know for sure.

Re: "Maddy"
 

Must be agree with Mancie night.The law relies on fact not fiction and if the police of several countries can't solve the crime I don't think the good people of Accy Web can.:(

Re: "Maddy"
 

Good post, Karma sent x

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I know Benipete, it's just that it is human nature to speculate ... just because we are human and have emotions, and feel for this child and the parents.

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And just like the Portuguese police branded the McCanns as supects due to inconclusive DNA testings on the blood spots in the hire car ... that was not 100% fact, was it ?

Re: "Maddy"
 

Well I personally think shes still alive. Dont know why I think it, just a gut feeling and the fact no body has been found.

I like many pray that she is found safe and well.

Re: "Maddy"
 

Hope you are right Cherokee.

Re: "Maddy"
 

if like some of your say the parents arnt to blame for the child going missing! than why didnt the mother answer all the 40 question the Portuguese police asked here! why did some people refuse to speal at all and all this about the tapas! if you are that innocent than you will do anything to prove you are by not answering these questions than something is not right! the way they were when they were on tv talking to the media something just does not add up! i think the parents had something to do with it not on purpose may i add i think it was an accident and seeing as they were both had very high jobs they could of easy got rid of the body, but i hope am wrong and that she is still alive

Re: "Maddy"
 

Its so long ago now , I think she will look totally different...I really hope she finds her mummy and daddy before she starts to forget them,,,,,

Re: "Maddy"
 

If they are so well educated why did they neglect her while they went out for a meal?

Re: "Maddy"
 

I don't think its a question of whether they were educated or not.
And i think neglect is a strong word for what happened.
They made a huge mistake that will haunt them for the rest of their lives but at the time they genuinely thought that she would be fine as they were in a family resort checking on her regularly.
What happened was a tragic yet unlikely event that they could never have imagined in their worst nightmares.
I think its time to stop vilifying them for what happened.
Surely the fact that they don't know where their daughter is and whether she is alive or dead is enough for them to try and cope with?
They will no doubt blame themselves to a degree forever.
I'm sure comments like yours and others in the media make them feel even worse than they do already and all the speculation in the papers is out of order in my opinion too,raising false hope over and over again.
Leave them to continue the search for Madeline,hopefully the media can still help them without the speculation and hopefully one day we will all find out what happened to that beautiful little girl.

Re: "Maddy"
 

No I do not think they have suffered enough.... they should be charged with CHILD NEGLECT...

Re: "Maddy"
 

News bulletin just now saying yet another sighting in a bank in Brussels .. suppose will go on for ever this. Some people will be well meaning, others, well, you just don't know.

Re: "Maddy"
 

Why? What punishment count be given thats worse than losing their child. You think charging them would help anyone?????

Re: "Maddy"
 

If she is still alive and I pray she is... I don't think anyone would be that stupid to take the little one out in public... its like oh she's in the papers everyday, lets take her to the bank for a trip out... I think not:

Re: "Maddy"
 

there are two other children in their care ( are they fit parents) NO

Re: "Maddy"
 

i would say it may deter others from doing the same, i'm 100% with magpie on this.

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I bet if it was a single mum from a dodgy council estate, you know like up Huncoat ;) then they would be.

Re: "Maddy"
 

Yes I do. I think it would make other people be more careful.

Its like when the HSE fine you for chopping off a leg in an accident at work.

Re: "Maddy"
 

yeh like the girl in greater manchester,:rolleyes:

Re: "Maddy"
 

goes to show that education doesnt make you a good parent........
I have friends that dont have GCSE's and they wouldnt leave their kids alone!!

Re: "Maddy"
 

I;m not saying what they did was right, all i'm saying is, in my mind, they are suffering the worst possible punishment imaginable

Re: "Maddy"
 

I agree entirely,nothing could possibly be worse than what they have to live with everyday of their lives.

Re: "Maddy"
 

No they aren't but due to their neglect the poor child may have!

In the original thread I mentioned and stand by the fact, (despite the bleeding hearts that said I was wrong), with responsible parents this wouldn't have happened and that had the parents not been 'middle class', they would have suffered the full weight of the law, yes a slap on the wrist, but they were protected by the very newspapers that would have crucified parents from a blue collar background.

Again I repeat, I hope with all my heart that the child is found safe and well, but no way would I forgive a relative of mine that went with friends for a meal leaving their vulnerable children on their own espescially in a strange apartment, in a strange town, in a strange Country.


I am glad to see there are still members on site that have similar feelings, child neglect even had it been the Queen would still be child neglect.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I have merged the two threads on this subject.

Re: "Maddy"
 

so what you are saying to other people who may do the same is:
Hey its ok if you leave your children alone , whilst your on holiday or at home ... you have a nice few drinks... if anything happens:

You won't go to prison or have your other children taken off you:

you will have suffered enough... there there there..........

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

In my oppionion young children shouln't be left on there own, but how many parents went to Butlins and left ther children nowing there was a shally patrol, how many parents have just nipped to the corner shop? Hind sight is a great thing and I'm sure the Mackanns will rue their decision for the rest of their lives

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

been reading the papers today about this case:

what would you do if you thought you had seen Maddy....

would you wait months... weeks... or would you report it RIGHT AWAY:

I would do the latter... if I was wrong then sorry... we all make mistakes and I am

sure that parents of the child would understand:

It does not seem true that all these sightings are now coming up:

Re: "Maddy"
 

Where exactly did I say that???? Feel free to quote me if you can find anything at all that

What I am saying is the worst thing I could possibly imagine is to lose my child, in whatever circumstance.

What about parents that leave their children in the car whilst they nip inside to a corner shop for a paper? What about those that let their children play out in the garden and turn around to answer the phone? I anything happened then, they were 'neglectful' in a manner.

The McCanns did something wrong. I have no doubt in my mind that were time travel available, they would do whatever they could to turn back time. I in no way agree with their actions, at the end of the day, they are a two parent family, and it wouldnt have done any harm taking it in turns to babysit or make other arrangements. I am saying that no amount of punishment could be any worse than what they are going through, and to take the other children away from them would only cause more harm, to the children let alone the parents, than any good

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Well the unfortunate thing is ( as earlier posted ) that if it were just a normal mother living in a run-down council house/estate ( like church, i dont know huncoat ) then the social services would be swooping round like a swarm of flies and WOULD take the remaining children from them seeing the parents as unfit.

Its blatentley irresponsible to leave your children un-attended whilst you go off and have a meal, those children are your responsibility. SOMEBODY should have stayed behind to watch the children, NOT going back and forth to check on them once every 30mins. 30 mins? Thats a hell of a long time, and its more than enough time for anyone to snatch a child. christ, 10mins is enough time. You know how often they should have checked on them??? 0!!! 0, because they should have been watching them.

Unfit parents if you ask me, and yes i guess they're being punished for it now having madeline taken from them, but theres two other children that are at RISK because they're in the hands of irresponsible parents like the McCanns.

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I doubt that they will ever leave the other two children out of their sight. I suspect that they have learnt in the hardest possible way imaginable that it's not ok to leave your children alone.

They probably can't be charged with child neglect because there is no one who is able to do that. It's against the law to leave your child alone in the UK but they weren't in the UK so not under our law. For all I know it may not be an offense in Portugal so they weren't charged there or it may be that because they are British they couldn't be charged.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Well another possible sighting, in Belgium.

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Afraid not:(
Belgian Father Claims Girl In CCTV His Daughter, Not Madeleine McCann | UK News | Sky News

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Aww what a shame. but surely more checks would have been done than just a man coming foward?

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

a photo of this young girl in the paper this morning, and you could understandpeople thinking it was Maddy, was the spitting image of her

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

All you mums and dads with your children safe around you for Christmas, give a thought for this little cherub :-

BBC NEWS | UK | McCanns appeal in Christmas film

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Just been watching the video on the news. If she had been killed and they found her then her parents would have had some closure,not much comfort I know. But to not even know what has happened to her must be torture in the extreme.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

In Asda in Rotty earlier and a young child approached Jen because she had lost her mum. So Jen took her to the CS. Five mins later she had lost her mum again who was to busy eating to worry about her child. Anyone could have walked out with her and mum would have been non the wiser. Its just not abroad it happens but can quite easily happen here when parents aint paying attention.

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I know Spuggie, but don't wish to get into any speculations as to this case again .. just to give her a thought, that's all.

The above, I suspect, is very rare.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Not speculating it was an example of how parents forget what happened in Portugal when out and about. Sorry seems my wording was a bit off:o

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Again I know that you are a lovely person Spuggie, and no criticism intended.
I know we talk about 'todays' parents on here, but most of them are dedicated to their kids and suspect Shill came across that odd 2%.

I did, indeed, see it as a reminder to all parents to watch your kids when you are out and about with them, and if the message gets to only one parent, then that is great .. x

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Its the second xmas without her mum,,,i hope she is in good hands,,,BLESS HER

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I have not forgotten Madeleine, and about to watch the programme on Channel 4 now following her parents' efforts to create a normal life.

In the meantime, sure you have all seen this picture of how she may look now at age 6.

Attachment 13813

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I watched the programme too.

There's always hope that she'll return to her family one day, as has happily happened in a few similar cases.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

What's annoying about the case is that it's only now that they're suggesting that she wasn't snatched from her room but had possibly wandered out of the apartment looking for her mum and dad.

That changes everything about the evidence and probably the profile of who they were looking for. Some serious mistakes have been made with this case.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

it really doesnt seem like 2 years ago since she went missing

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Having had girls myself I often wonder what I would have done if that had happened to one of mine, I think I would have gone crazy to say the least, I think Maddy's parents have handled the situation, in public, in a calm and logical way, where lots of people would just have fallen to pieces, and I include myself in that too

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

i would have been the same as you Jay, it would have killed me

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

That wasn't one of the possibilities being looked at in last night's programme. Though of course it makes sense.

Her father did admit that with hindsight they were wrong to leave the children whilst they ate, and that's something they have to live with.

It showed him walking from their apartment to the tapas bar, and it was one hell of a long way. Even if the children woke up, and were crying they wouldn't have heard them.

We've been in that position on holiday, and no way would we have left our children. We took it in turns to stay in and baby-sit.

I still think what they did was wrong, but I hope beyond hope she'll be returned to her family, who I guess are having to live with the consequences of their actions.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I had never heard this theory either, but like you say is a possibility ... but am sure a 4 year old would have known in which direction to go in search of her parents.

They did the reconstruction whereby witnesses saw a man carrying a sleeping child near the apartment and about half a mile away. This puzzles me ... surely Maddie would have woken up in these circumstances ?

Did not want to get into any recriminations again on this sad loss, the stress was certainly showing on the mother's face I thought. They are not going to give up though.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Not necessarily in a strange bed on holiday, if you were still half asleep, and it was dark, and the doors were unlocked.

Which it was in the daytime, with the curtains closed, when her father returned to the apartment in last night's programme.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Ok ... but surely someone would have spotted a youngster wandering around looking lost at some stage, and nobody reported this. She would have very unlucky to have come across someone with bad intentions within a short distance.

I just feel like those detectives do, someone in that resort knows something.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

The two sightings didn't seem to add up to me. The second one was about half a mile away and 40 mins later. well surely someone would'nt have been walking round in public for that length of time with a girl that had been abducted? Also it wouldn't take that long to walk that distance, may be timings are not correct.


Best Regards - Taggy

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I didn't watch the programme so can't comment on what was said in that. It's just something that I read on the web a couple of days ago.

It's quite possible for a four year old child to get out of an apartment and try to find their parents - but it's equally possible that she wouldn't have known where to go. It was a strange country, not her own home and she could easily have wandered off.

I'm just surprised that it wasn't considered a little more at the time. It could have changed any number of parameters in the case.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Not sure what i think about this situation it something doesnt add up.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

See the McCanns are using the law to stop a book on sale by the Officer who was in charge of the investigation in Portugal, which suggested they buried the body. Is the best selling book in this country at the moment, and will certainly hinder any other line of thought, and close people's minds.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I guess the first fact is i cant just cant comprehend anyone contemplating leaving their children alone whilst going out its just way beyond my imagination and especially two doctors, i never left sight of mine for a minute whilst abroad on holiday.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Does anybody believe in the happy end of story yet?

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I hope and pray their is, but doubt it now.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

What do other people feel happened.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

We had the big negligent parents argument at the time before you were a member

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Yes i guess you did two years ago now.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

Would be good Cornish but, even I, who has kept the yellow ribbon up as my avatar for 2 years, am beginning to think this child is no longer with us.. :(

Wonder if Lilly is feeling the same, who has also still got the yellow ribbon.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

It pains me to say this but I have believed from the start that this poor child is dead. There has been a massive paedophile ring in Europe, centred in Portugal, for many years and it has adherents in the high echelons of legal professions. Those people do not take children to be "adopted". Their sole purpose is hideous gratification and the children are eventually disposed of. I would dearly love to be proved wrong but I don't see it happening.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

I tend to stay out of Madeleine threads now because I really took this case to heart and some of the comments made about Madeleine's parents at the time upset me. :(

Yes, I've still got the ribbon as my avatar. I did say that I would keep it there until Madeleine is found either dead or alive so it's looking like it's here to stay. :(

With all the media coverage at the time it seems almost impossible that whoever was hiding her kept her alive.

If she is alive I hope she is being looked after......but perhaps she is living a life of hell and would be better off dead. Who knows?

Her parents must be torturing themselves with the possibilities of what happened to her and what kind of life she's living if she's still alive.

I feel that knowing the truth, however dreadful, would be better than living the rest of their lives in this state. Her parents really have been given a life sentence. :(

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

what i find very ironic is now reports say they are suing this ex copper, yet they remain un-prosecuted.:rolleyes:

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

what are they suing him for.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...+chief/3150357 this

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

If he had this theory i believe he must be backing this up with some strong evidence.

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just have to sit back n see what develops, i have me doubts they actually will sue.

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What do you believe happened any thoughts.

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 

no all i know is tragic though this is, no dressing up it was child negligence simple as.