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Polly_45 17-05-2009 22:15

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 714789)
no all i know is tragic though this is, no dressing up it was child negligence simple as.

Very true cashy

Gayle 18-05-2009 10:55

re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 714780)
If he had this theory i believe he must be backing this up with some strong evidence.

Or he's trying to deflect attention from his own inadequate policing skills.

jaysay 19-05-2009 10:33

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 714853)
Or he's trying to deflect attention from his own inadequate policing skills.

Think we already know hat Gayle, he got sacked didn't he, well took of the case

katex 07-11-2009 17:45

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Just a reminder that the McCanns have released a new video in the quest for the answer to Madeleine's disappearance.

Please ... no theories again ... just watch. Someone in that town knows something I am convinced.

BBC NEWS | UK | Video to spread Madeleine message

Neil 28-07-2011 11:59

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Have they found Maddie?

A few stories about at the moment she might have been found in India

Madeleine McCann 'spotted in north Indian market' by tourist | Mail Online

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-sighting.html

I do hope it is her because I always did believe the parents were to blame and know exactly where she is.

Margaret Pilkington 28-07-2011 12:05

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Call me a bit dense Neil, but are you saying that the parents colluded with someone who took away their child?
That in the years that have passed since the kidnap, they have known exactly where Maddie is?
If that is what you are saying, then where did you get your evidence?
I'm not being 'fly' when I ask this.......I would just like you to explain why you have come to this conclusion.

I hope the child is Maddie, and that she can be reunited with her rightful family, but I suspect(and I hope I am wrong here) that the DNA will prove it isn't her.

Neil 28-07-2011 12:12

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 921873)
Call me a bit dense Neil, but are you saying that the parents colluded with someone who took away their child?

No I always thought they hid her body after some accident caused by them neglecting the children and leaving them on there own. I don't think for one minute leaving the kids that night was a one off, more like their way of dumping the kids to have a meal.


Anyway the family investigator is due to make a statement at 3pm so it does not look promising.

Margaret Pilkington 28-07-2011 13:04

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thank you for that Neil.
I wasn't interrogating you...just thought maybe you had seen/read something that I had missed.

Neil 28-07-2011 14:16

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The 3pm report was an untrue rumor, sorry about that

Neil 28-07-2011 14:23

A statement has been made I think

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-16029205.html

Neil 07-08-2011 19:46

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I just read this and found it an interesting change of view by its writer

A change of mind about the “McCanns” – jda - My Telegraph

MargaretR 07-08-2011 19:55

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You have the first symptoms of 'conspiracy disease'.
Welcome to the fields outside the fold. :D

Once you begin to ask questions you will find the quest for facts becomes insatiable.

garinda 07-08-2011 19:58

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924225)
You have the first symptoms of 'conspiracy disease'.
Welcome to the fields outside the fold. :D

Once you begin to ask questions you will find the quest for facts becomes insatiable.

Not the most regular bed fellows.

Conspiracy theories, and facts.

:rolleyes:

garinda 07-08-2011 20:03

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I have a theory.

Those zelaous converts, recently touched by that old time religion, and conspiracy theorists, are exactly the same, but wear different faith hats.

Both are highly sensitive, and criticise them at your peril.

You'll be struck by lightening...or caught out by a shower.

:D

WillowTheWhisp 07-08-2011 20:10

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If my child had gone missing I would have been desperate to see any possible sighting as positive. They did seem to dismiss this very quickly.

MargaretR 07-08-2011 20:27

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924231)
I have a theory.

Those zelaous converts, recently touched by that old time religion, and conspiracy theorists, are exactly the same, but wear different faith hats.

Both are highly sensitive, and criticise them at your peril.

You'll be struck by lightening...or caught out by a shower.

:D

Before you pour scorn on 'conspiracy theory' it may be wise to consider how many of them have turned out to be 'conspiracy fact.'

Also consider why you do so
Conspiracy Theory As Naive Deconstructive History -
"Conspiracy theory" is usually used as a pejorative label, meaning paranoid, nutty, marginal, and certainly untrue. The power of this pejorative is that it discounts a theory by attacking the motivations and mental competence of those who advocate the theory. By labeling an explanation of events "conspiracy theory," evidence and argument are dismissed because they come from a mentally or morally deficient personality, not because they have been shown to be incorrect. Calling an explanation of events "conspiracy theory" means, in effect, "We don't like you, and no one should listen to your explanation."

In earlier eras other pejorative labels, such as "heresy," "witchery," and "communism" also worked like this. The charge of "conspiracy theory" is not so severe as these other labels, but in its way is many times worse. Heresy, witchcraft, and communism at least retain some sense of potency. They designate ideas to be feared. "Conspiracy theory" implies that the ideas and their advocates are simple-minded or insane.


All such labels implicitly define a community of orthodox believers and try to banish or shun people who challenge orthodox beliefs. Members of the community who are sympathetic to new thoughts might shy away from the new thoughts and join in the shunning due to fear of being tainted by the pejorative label."

garinda 07-08-2011 20:29

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
No one on this forum has any idea what happened to this poor child.

All that we can hope for, is that by some miracle, she's found safe and well, and is reunited with those she loves.

garinda 07-08-2011 20:34

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924244)
Before you pour scorn on 'conspiracy theory' it may be wise to consider how many of them have turned out to be 'conspiracy fact.'

Also consider why you do so
Conspiracy Theory As Naive Deconstructive History -
"Conspiracy theory" is usually used as a pejorative label, meaning paranoid, nutty, marginal, and certainly untrue. The power of this pejorative is that it discounts a theory by attacking the motivations and mental competence of those who advocate the theory. By labeling an explanation of events "conspiracy theory," evidence and argument are dismissed because they come from a mentally or morally deficient personality, not because they have been shown to be incorrect. Calling an explanation of events "conspiracy theory" means, in effect, "We don't like you, and no one should listen to your explanation."

In earlier eras other pejorative labels, such as "heresy," "witchery," and "communism" also worked like this. The charge of "conspiracy theory" is not so severe as these other labels, but in its way is many times worse. Heresy, witchcraft, and communism at least retain some sense of potency. They designate ideas to be feared. "Conspiracy theory" implies that the ideas and their advocates are simple-minded or insane.


All such labels implicitly define a community of orthodox believers and try to banish or shun people who challenge orthodox beliefs. Members of the community who are sympathetic to new thoughts might shy away from the new thoughts and join in the shunning due to fear of being tainted by the pejorative label."

I'm quite aware of what I believe.

As for those two groups mentioned, it's 'my' opinion, that it's the blind, leading the blinded.

A truly independent thinker won't give a stuff about the rambling thoughts of others.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking with it.

Keep the faith.

No, really.

Keep it.

:)

MargaretR 07-08-2011 20:39

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Everyone has the right to question official explanations when they find reason to doubt.

Most people are more comfortable not looking and I respect their need to maintain that comfort.

garinda 07-08-2011 20:42

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924244)
Before you pour scorn on 'conspiracy theory' it may be wise to consider how many of them have turned out to be 'conspiracy fact.'

Also consider why you do so
Conspiracy Theory As Naive Deconstructive History -
"Conspiracy theory" is usually used as a pejorative label, meaning paranoid, nutty, marginal, and certainly untrue. The power of this pejorative is that it discounts a theory by attacking the motivations and mental competence of those who advocate the theory. By labeling an explanation of events "conspiracy theory," evidence and argument are dismissed because they come from a mentally or morally deficient personality, not because they have been shown to be incorrect. Calling an explanation of events "conspiracy theory" means, in effect, "We don't like you, and no one should listen to your explanation."

In earlier eras other pejorative labels, such as "heresy," "witchery," and "communism" also worked like this. The charge of "conspiracy theory" is not so severe as these other labels, but in its way is many times worse. Heresy, witchcraft, and communism at least retain some sense of potency. They designate ideas to be feared. "Conspiracy theory" implies that the ideas and their advocates are simple-minded or insane.


All such labels implicitly define a community of orthodox believers and try to banish or shun people who challenge orthodox beliefs. Members of the community who are sympathetic to new thoughts might shy away from the new thoughts and join in the shunning due to fear of being tainted by the pejorative label."

Conspiracy theory n.

A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.

Conspiracy theorist n.



Anyway, don't worry what I, or anyone else think.

Christians were once persecuted too.

You'll get your reward in Atlantis.

Whilst us non-believers perish in the dark, watery abyss.

;)

garinda 07-08-2011 20:53

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924249)
Everyone has the right to question official explanations when they find reason to doubt.

Most people are more comfortable not looking and I respect their need to maintain that comfort.

Yes, and everyone has the same right to question conspiracy theories too.

Unless that's somehow sacrosanct.

Respect's a two way thing in my eyes.

I might begin to form another theory.

Both those newly converted to religion, and conspiracy theorists, are ultra sensitive to having their beliefs questioned, because all they really have is faith.

No factual evidence...to comfort them.

:rolleyes:

garinda 07-08-2011 21:00

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924249)
Most people are more comfortable not looking and I respect their need to maintain that comfort.

Say it loud, Sister Margaret!

You have all the congregations' attention now.

Praise be!





(I'll leave you to it, and go and pump up the organ, ready for the next hymn.)

:D

MargaretR 07-08-2011 21:00

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924258)
Yes, and everyone has the same right to question conspiracy theories too.
:rolleyes:

In order to question a theory, you need to explore the possibily that it might be true - which is what I do - welcome to the club:D

garinda 07-08-2011 21:02

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924260)
In order to question a theory, you need to explore the possibily that it might be true - which is what I do - welcome to the club:D

Not quite the same thing.

You sing from a shared hymn book.

I write my own.

;):D

accyman 07-08-2011 21:16

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924245)
No one on this forum has any idea what happened to this poor child.

All that we can hope for, is that by some miracle, she's found safe and well, and is reunited with those she loves.


Part of me thinks that between the Portuguese police incompetence and British media mainly the news papers interference her parents have got away with murdering their own child.Unless she is either found alive or dead we will never know the truth.The parents reminded me of those husbands that appeal for their wife's safe return or information regarding their wife's death then 6 months later it comes out they had murdered them and put on a jolly good show for the cameras.

like you say though no one here knows for sure so some will think it was a tragic kidnapping,the parents did it or some will like me be left undecided.

garinda 07-08-2011 21:20

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 924269)
like you say though no one here knows for sure

The only sure thing is...no one here knows what happened.

Mancie 07-08-2011 21:36

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924245)
No one on this forum has any idea what happened to this poor child.

All that we can hope for, is that by some miracle, she's found safe and well, and is reunited with those she loves.

Don't know how many posts have been made on this thread but this one is the most realistic I've read.

jaysay 08-08-2011 08:26

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924249)
Everyone has the right to question official explanations when they find reason to doubt.

Most people are more comfortable not looking and I respect their need to maintain that comfort.

Ya but it does get a bit tedious when every explanation is questioned, well I don't think tedious is the right word really, boring is much better;)

Neil 08-08-2011 08:31

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 924225)
You have the first symptoms of 'conspiracy disease'.
Welcome to the fields outside the fold. :D

Once you begin to ask questions you will find the quest for facts becomes insatiable.


I just know what I think from reading/watching things at the time.
I don't think the parents did it deliberately but I think they will conceal the truth for ever.

garinda 08-08-2011 09:34

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Good job we don't still have capital punishment.

Some people would be hanged, drawn, and quartered, after people had made their minds up of someone's guilt. On no more concrete evidence than reading a few papers, and watching the telly.

Again, the only actual fact is the child is missing.

Neil 08-08-2011 10:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924360)
Again, the only actual fact is the child is missing.

Yes that is the only actual fact.
I wonder if the £7 million dog agrees that is the only fact?

How on earth can a dog be insured for £7 million?
Daisy Dukes legs were only insured for $1 million :D

jaysay 08-08-2011 10:11

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 924386)
Yes that is the only actual fact.
I wonder if the £7 million dog agrees that is the only fact?

How on earth can a dog be insured for £7 million?
Daisy Dukes legs were only insured for $1 million :D

ya and they lead to the promised land too:D:D

Tealeaf 08-08-2011 19:24

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Conspiracy theories are the last refuge of the loonatic.

Gremlin 08-08-2011 19:34

Re: Missing child in Portugal - Madeleine McCann
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924245)
No one on this forum has any idea what happened to this poor child.

All that we can hope for, is that by some miracle, she's found safe and well, and is reunited with those she loves.


I am 100% in agreement with you garinda.

What that child has gone through doesn't bear thinking about.
Praise the Lord she was not one of mine.
The parents must be going through hell and all the press has done is stir up their grief.

Tealeaf 08-08-2011 19:52

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Can someone please tell me what the point of all this nonsensical speculation is all about?

If she's dead, she's dead.

If she's alive, then possibly one day she will be reunited with her parents.

This thread will make no difference, either way.

garinda 08-08-2011 22:32

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 924504)
Can someone please tell me what the point of all this nonsensical speculation is all about?

If she's dead, she's dead.

If she's alive, then possibly one day she will be reunited with her parents.

This thread will make no difference, either way.

It's a practice thread.

Ready for when you've gone, and we start to speculate where.

:dflam: :angel:

:rolleyes:

Tealeaf 08-08-2011 22:37

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924613)
It's a practice thread.

Ready for when you've gone, and we start to speculate where.

:dflam: :angel:

:rolleyes:

I'd probably be tied up in an upstairs room in Ossy, with a window overlooking ducks 'n geese, being tortured as to why I can be so suave and charming.

garinda 08-08-2011 22:39

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 924617)
I'd probably be tied up in an upstairs room in Ossy, with a window overlooking ducks 'n geese, being tortured as to why I can be so suave and charming.


Oh dear.

You're not still paying to see that old scrubber on my street, are you?

I did warn you about her.

Play safe.

:eek:

Tealeaf 08-08-2011 22:45

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Oh Dear,

Do you really think I would have 'owt to do with anyone from Ossy?

Yuk!

I know you;ve got some slappers up there but some of us do have standards.

garinda 08-08-2011 23:26

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 924621)
Oh Dear,

Do you really think I would have 'owt to do with anyone from Ossy?

Yuk!

I know you;ve got some slappers up there but some of us do have standards.

I believe it's half-price for pensioners on Thurdays, if you want to save up.

steeljack 09-08-2011 00:44

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924638)
I believe it's half-price for pensioners on Thurdays, if you want to save up.

wrong , its half price any day of the week ending in a Y ;)

jaysay 09-08-2011 08:56

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 924621)
Oh Dear,

Do you really think I would have 'owt to do with anyone from Ossy?

Yuk!

I know you;ve got some slappers up there but some of us do have standards.

The one Garinda's on about moved from Church years ago to improve her living standards and general out look to life:p

Miaowzinzara 11-08-2011 21:09

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 924617)
I'd probably be tied up in an upstairs room in Ossy, with a window overlooking ducks 'n geese, being tortured as to why I can be so suave and charming.

Lol.... love it x

jaysay 12-08-2011 09:36

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Originally Posted by Miaowzinzara (Post 925553)
Lol.... love it x

Another sadist;)


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