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yep those people who see it as a waste of taxpayers money!;) aint knocking the film, as i said previous, but how many hits do ya think it would have if it actually cost to view? the number of views yah quote, could also be deemed a red herring.:D

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Now, if someone was given a pitch in the Market Hall, and two and a half thousand quid, in fivers, and instructions that they have three months to eat the money, that might have caused a stir in the art world, rather than a ripple on the Guardian's woolcraft page.

Though I'd still question the use of funding via the tax payer.

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I heard a heartbreaking story today.

A child was very recently diagnosed with a extremly rare disease. There are less than five suffers in the U.K. If left untreated, there's a real chance they will die, in a few, short years.

Happily there is a treatment which could offer the chance of total recovery.

Sadly this treatment is only available in the U.S.

The N.H.S don't offer the treatment because it's too expensive.

I know this thread is about the value of public funded art, but when it comes down to tax payers' money, I know damned well where I'd be happier having my taxes being syphoned.

It genuinely grieves me that life and suffering are deemed less worthy than wool creations hanging in our town, and yes I know, these funds were earmarked for 'arts' projects, and N.H.S. funding is entirely a different issue, but ultimatley both are funded, to a greater or lesser extent, by our taxes.

The society we've created, sometimes stinks so much, I could weep.

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That just sums up attitudes in life these days rindy, priorities all to cock.:mad:

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That's an absolutely insane connection - no one, the government nor I, for one minute has suggested that wool sculptures are more important than this young girls life.

But if you do want to make connections about injustices in the NHS - what about the money that they spend fixing broken bones of all the drunks that go in there after a fight on a Saturday night, or what about the injustices of the amount that the NHS have to spend on smoking related illnesses or obesity.

If they didn't have to fund all of that, then perhaps the money would be there to save the girls life.

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the fact that money goes to art etc n not to things like this is whats insane, no matter who suggests what, n i have no axe to grind, my son being n artist, its as i said PRIORITIES are all to cock. simple as.:(

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As I've stated repeatedly, if community art projects are soley funded from the profits that are earmarked for 'worthy causes', from private companies like Camelot, then I have absolutely no complaint. People have the choice not to play, if they so wish.

However, when life saving health care is being witheld from a toddler, due to lack of funds, and tax payers' hard earned money is being spent on projects like Crocheting Accy, then there is a very real correlation between the two items, as they are both reliant on funds from the public purse.

If people want to create knitted sculptures, there are plenty of places where they can go and pay to carry out their hobby.

It should NOT be funded by the tax payer.

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Again, as posted earlier, when I first mentioned the crocheting project in the Market Hall, when told about it by some stall holders, whilst shopping in there, incidentally if Rachael Elwell had integrated herself more with the community in the building, the stall holders mightn't have been so disparaging about the project, and spreading misinformation as to who was funding it, I had honestly no knowledge Gayle was involved.

She'd posted her salary and job title, that as creative director of the Civic arts centre in Oswaldtwistle.

That's all I knew.

It would be interesting to know if, and how, that role might have changed.

Again forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe Gayle once posted that she takes a fee when securing Lottery funding, which is common practice for professional fund seekers, as I'm sure it takes a lot of time and effort, but it would be interesting to know how this co-exists with her job as creative director of the arts centre, and if she's now responsible for all arts projects in the borough.

I believe the job was never advertised, as far as I know, or what suitable qualifications would be deemed necessary if it had been. A degree in arts management I'd have thought, at the very least.

I certainly didn't see it advertised in Monday's Guardian.

Anymore information, to set the record straight, I'm sure we'd all find most illuminating.

As for crochet, do I think it has the slightest artistic merit?

No.

Do I think it was a good use of tax payers' money?

Certainly not.

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I've already posted what I get paid from HBC. Technically I only work part time for HBC but in reality it's a full time job so at the moment I'm not doing any projects outside of my core work for HBC.

As I am the only person working for HBC who is managing arts projects then yes, I am responsible for arts development across the borough.

Yes, I posted that I get paid for securing lottery funding however, I do not get paid any extra when that lottery funding is part of my core work for HBC. So, for example I'm also working on a couple of projects that are connected to the Cultural Olympics - I got those projects as part of my core work and therefore, don't get paid again for them.

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For community art projects soley financed from the pot of gold, that companies like Camelot's worthy cause fund provide, I have absolutely no problem with. More power to you, and your efforts, in securing those funds. Although I'd question the artistic merit, and indeed worthiness, when the projects are brought to our attention, and therefore for discussion, on a public forum.

I maintain that it is an outrage that tax payers' money is spent on such projects.

Not everyone will agree, it's just my opinion.

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Surely the crux of the problem lies in the way that lottery money is distributed? The difference between taxpayer funded and lottery funded is merely a moot point. The lottery fund is no more than a government quango and while you can argue that people do not have to pay the lottery, an awful lot of people do not pay direct taxes.

Would it not therefore be better to get rid of the lottery fund bureaucracy altogether and simply distribute directly to local councils on a proportionate basis of the amounts staked in any locality? This way you avoid the obscenity’s of vast amounts of money going to mega projects in London while the provinces are relatively starved. It would probably also avoid the some of the crazy payments that have gone into Hyndburn, such as the 250K for an Islamic club up Springhill in the last few weeks and the 400K paid for pregnant Asian school girls some years ago. It should not be too difficult to ring fence the money and then let local organisations compete to get funding.

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Gayle, what are CULTURAL Olympics-that sounds interesting.

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Cultural Olympiad | London 2012

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Thanks Less, most interesting.
Now, shall we start counting down from 10?

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Oh Dear ! With you on this one Gordon, think there might be a few choice comments made about this very soon. :rolleyes:

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As some one who has played the lottery from day one, I can see and agree with you about huge amounts of money being spent in London i.e. The Opera House and the Ballet. But to scrap the lottery would cut funding to other worthwhile causes which have no chance off central government funding and never will have, although even this funding needs to be fairer distributed than it is now

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I'm not saying cut the lottery. There are two parts to the lottery. First, the company that puts the terminals in the shops, does the advertising and collects the dosh. After taking it's cut and paying out the prizes, it then pays out the 'good cause' money to the quango then distributes it.

It is this second part that needs abolishing and the money should then go direct to the cities, towns & villages according to how much has been spent in the first instance.

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I can't think of a cause more worthy of wasting, sorry spending, billions of lottery and taxpayers' money on.;)

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'Twelve projects have won commissions totalling £5.4 million to create new works of art across the UK.'

South West
nowhereisland, Alex Hartley
Alex Hartley will bring an island he discovered in the High Arctic in 2004 to the South West of England. The island will navigate the coast accompanied by a travelling embassy, exploring issues of climate change and land ownership.

http://www.london2012.com/images/eve...ex-hartley.jpg
'nowhereisland in the South West is one of the 12 commissions of Artists Taking the Lead.'

Artists Taking the Lead | Major projects | London 2012




Nice work....if you can get it. :rolleyes:

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And here's me working for a living.

Who's the bigger fool?

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Well get your grant application in quick, buy a bra, and a copy of the Racing Times, and get spending all that money, courtesy of the tax payers of Britain.

'A publicly funded exhibition is encouraging people to deface the Bible in the name of art — and visitors have responded with abuse and obscenity.
The show includes a video of a woman ripping pages from the Bible and stuffing them into her bra, knickers and mouth.'
Gallery’s invitation to deface the Bible brings obscene response -Times Online

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I don't know much about art...

..and I'm glad.

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I do.

Though I'll never agree that tax payers' money should be spent commissioning it.

As stated way back, historically the Soviet systen was the largest ever supporter of state funded art, and it was all risibly bad.

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It's all dumped in a field outside Budapest now, tended by the residents who try to scrape a bit of money out of visiting tourists.

It wasn't really very good at the time and no one still has any idea of what to do with it now, much like our own 'art' cluttering up the storerooms of galleries up and down the country.

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I see art in many things - what is art?

To me, art is beauty and beauty is art. A piece of machinery that has been made by man, A beautiful woman, a painting or sculpture by one of the great old masters and some of the newer ones, a bir'd wing, a flower, even an aeroplane - but a dirty unmade bed, a sheep in formaldehyde, a pile of rubble, absolutely no way and no way should things like that, or the "training" to produce such garbage, be funded either by our taxes or Camelot.
Like many others, I thought that Camelot was going to subscribe to worthwhile causes - once again i got it wrong:-(((

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Great post.

A great many of the masterpieces of yesteryear weren't subsidised so why should any modern day works be funded, with a public entry fee charged in the galleries on top? I see it as paying people to have a hobby, although perhaps my vision is skewed by not having the same benefits as a real ale researcher.

I have a great love for steam engines (something my wife really couldn't care less about) but the East Lancashire Railway which preserves old engines operates as a business and if it ever runs out of money then that's that. It's a part of our industrial heritage, particularly in Lancashire, and something I consider to be very beautiful craftsmanship, but it isn't subsidised and is expected to be self-sufficient to survive.

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Poetry, sheer Poetry, did you get a grant for it or are you just going to donate it to the nation without any thought of reward?
:D

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Sorry Tealeaf I misunderstood you, but I totally agree with what you have said above

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You and me alike Ken, never been artyfarty myself:rolleyes:

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Some have to be airy-fairy.

:D

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The bigger the fairy the bigger the grant?
:confused:

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That depends on whether the fairy's crocheted, and hanging in Accy Market Hall, or made of steel, a' top a hill in Gateshead.

:rolleyes:

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More like artists taking the .................................................. .................mickey.;)

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Here's the winning work of Art for the North West.

Anthony McCall - Column | Artists taking the mick

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A load of hot air?

I'm sure the scallies will grow to love this challeging art installation, as it rises twenty five meters above Birkenhead.

Definitely worth a ferry ride across the Mersey, to catch this wonder of the modern age.

:rolleyes:

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This thread's had 1,596 hits, on little old Accy Web.

:rolleyes:

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Seems like it could be pistols a dawn, discrepancy of figures her:uzi:

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Artists taking the lead....I would call that, artists taking the proverbial(and that begins with a P too).
Pretentious twaddle!

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It'll get nicked ! :D Then flogged to a scrappies somewhere.

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Probably you Garinda ... admiring your artistic posts ... :D

All those hitters are not expressing an opinion though, are they ?

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Does that include the Bolshoi and Kirov ? ;)

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The Bolshoi, and the Kirov ballet were founded in 1776, and the 1740's, respectively.

They flourished very successfully under private sponsorship from patrons, for nearly two hundred years, before Uncle Joe Stalin came along with state funding, decimating most other art forms in the union.

;)

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Such a cultural giant was out Joe;)

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I've never been one to waste valuable time on self-admiration, and do others out of a job.

;)

He posted, noting that this thread has now had 1,740 views.

The thread 'Today I met an Accy Webber' has had 1,307, and that was started nearly two and a half years ago, and is still active..

Which makes this, Gayle's thread, a roaring, critically acclaimed success.

Which must be novel.

Do the number of hits equate to 'expressing an opinion', by the way?

Certainly reading this thread there doesn't seem an awful lot of support for our taxes being spent on community arts projects.

I did suggest a simple poll was attached to this thread, but the idea wasn't taken up.

Perhaps due to lack of funding.

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Or lack of real interest:rolleyes:

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Some people take an interest.

I've been contacted by the press, regarding this thread.

;)

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Well, I hope they contact me too for some context.

It's one thing to say you don't like the crocheting but it needs to be put into perspective. It's like saying you don't like a whole chain of restaurants when all you've done is gone in and tasted one pea. Or like saying you don't think a trilogy of books is any good when you've only read chapter five in the second book. It has a context and to take one element of the project out of context doesn't do it justice.

The crocheting was part of a much larger project across Lancashire.

I'll await the call.

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Can every local town look forward to a resident knitter, funded by the lottery/tax payer, producing wooly sculptures?

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Do you have a crocheted sculpture in your house or just the normal doylies(?)?

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No, every town is doing things differently.

Still to come in Accrington - a Flash Mob Dance and a Victorian Swimming Gala (on Broadway!!!).

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being a numpty had to google it-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob differant.

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Fame at last G or is that infamy

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I hope that doesn't mean they'll be digging Broadway up Gayle :D

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YouTube - Hammer Time Mob Dance

Can't find one for Victorian Swimming Gala.

Wonder who's paying for it though?
and
How are either of them going to promote the Town?

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Funded the same way, a combination of lottery and government money?

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Yes

You're probably going to hate it. :D

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I can't see there being any cost at all with the flash mob dance..hopefully.

People arrange them all the time, with just internet access, and a mobile phone.

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Well you're half right.

I already hate the idea that the government are spending tax payers' money on it.

As an artistic event, I shall reserve judgement, and as always, keep an open mind, until they've happened.

;)

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Can I ask how much funding has been secured for the flash mob dance, if as you say it's again a combination of lottery and government money?

Again, it will help people evaluate the value, and worth, of such 'art projects', which this thread is about.

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Should create a good diversion for certain "shoppers";);):D:D

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The only cost is the dance teacher who has devised the dances and then taught specific groups of people.

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Not on Broadway Pete, our homegrown shoplifters wouldn't be associated with pound and Charity shops, (civic pride and all that).;)

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Well after watching the video,i can only assume a pre-requisite to take part in these things is yer a NUTTER.:D

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Which was how much?

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When did you enroll cashy:D

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So Accy Webbers, and anyone else, won't be taking part?

I thought the whole point of flash mob dancing was that they were organised virally, and a whole mob of people just turned up, at a specific time and place.

Cost to tax payer...nowt.

It's all sounding a little contrived, as a mob flash dance.

Not a criticism, just an observation.

;)

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A flash mob (or flashmob) is a large group of people who assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual and pointless act for a brief time, then disperse The term flash mob is generally applied only to gatherings organized via telecommunications, social media or viral email. The term is generally not applied to events organised by public relation firms, protests, and publicity stunts.
Flash mob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Accy webbers are welcome to join in, as is anyone else. We're sending the film of the dance steps out in the next few days so that anyone else can learn it.

We've just made a point of making sure that there is a big enough group already in existence who know the dance. The last thing I would want is for no one to turn up and for everyone to think it was a waste of money. ;)

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Your thinking of organising a MOB from Accy Web then are you G:D

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It seems we can all take part, even those untrained by the dance teacher.

'On 20th November, between 1pm and 2pm, there will be a Flash Mob in Accrington Town Centre. Four dances will happen during the hour. Assemble on Broadway in Accrington to watch and join in.
This is phase 3 of project called Liberating Empty Terrain which aims to bring people back into Accrington Town Centre. Phase 1 and 2 included Mapping Accy, Animating Accy and Crotcheting Accy.
This project is co-funded by Hyndburn Borough Council and the Arts Council via Creativity Works and is part of a Pennine Lancashire Initiative to reinvigorate town centres.'
Flashmob Dancing Accy | Flashmob.co.uk

Though I stand by by observation, that there is usually no costs to the public purse for flash mobs. Certainly when it was new, and could have been classed as cutting edge.

Is it 'art'?

Usually when the advertising boys have picked up on it, to commercially push products, the answer is usually no.

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Surely nobody would do that!!!:eek: would they Gayle:rolleyes:

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Talking of which, how much have H.B.C. stumped up, of council tax payers' money, for the events?

It's such a help when working out the value of 'art', for the poor tax payer.


'This project is co-funded by Hyndburn Borough Council and the Arts Council via Creativity Works and is part of a Pennine Lancashire Initiative to reinvigorate town centres.'
Flashmob Dancing Accy | Flashmob.co.uk

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Maybe, but this mob would have a lynch, for all those who use tax payers' money to fund 'community art'.

;)

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Technically, it's not funded by HBC, it's funded from money that the government gave to HBC purely for entertainment/arts/events and activities designed to bring people into the town centre.

The government (pre coalition) gave all the deprived boroughs councils in England money for this purpose. I think the same pot of money was used for Aldo Zilli.

I asked if some could be ringfenced for specific Arts projects (note: Arts not just Art). HBC ring fenced £10k for it.

Working with the other Arts Development officers in Pennine Lancashire we then raised a further £100k from the Arts Council for 100s of other projects - this is why I kept saying that it all needed to be put into context. I must stress that I'm not taking credit for all the fund raising as the majority of it was done by the Arts Development team in Burnley.

All of this info can be found on Creativity Works |

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I don't get it. How does this reinvigorate our town?
It is just a gimmicky thing that will have no long lasting impact or effect...and the people who have been drafted in to perform, will probably rush off afterwards never to be sen in the town again.

Note to self. Avoid Broadway on the 20th of November.

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So, the cost for staging the flash mob event is...?

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No one has been 'drafted' in to perform for it.

It is a local dance teacher and people from local community groups who are learning the dances.

It is a bit gimmicky, I will accept that but it will have a lasting effect as the film will be sent worldwide with all the flash mob websites around the world.

It is just rude to ask people to avoid it - the whole point is to get people down to watch it.

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When's the Victorian Swimming Gala happening?

Hopefully not in the bitter winter months.

There's nothing worse than a cold, wet, muff.

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Where has anyone asked people to avoid it?

Margaret just made a note for herself, just as I have made a similar note, as no doubt will many, many others.

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI...k_442-9455.jpg

Less changes his mind and starts training with benipete for an impromptu Flashmob all of his own, No don't worry Gayle we won't need funding, but it is YOUR round!
:D

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Gayle, I did not suggest for other people to avoid it....it was a note to myself to avoid it.
Sending this gimmicky stuff around the world on other flash mob sites strikes me as being just a bit on the tacky side.

Personally I am embarrased to think that we are stooping to such idiotic measures to get people to come into our town.

We have far better resources to come and see......and in my opinion(which counts for very little, I know)....Broadway is grotty, down at heel and not something I would want broadcast around the world.

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Sorry I posted this before I saw the post Less has put on.

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To attempt to add a little more to the discussion, I found this on the organisers website...

HYNDBURN ACTIVITY | Creativity Works
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"Flash Mobbing Accy

In Phase 3 there will be a Flash Mob Dance, co-ordinated by Cassandra Webster from ReAct Academy. The flash mob will be held at various locations around Accrington town centre on 20th November. Anyone can join in on the day by dancing on the street!

Victorian Swimming Gala on the streets of Accrington

The final event for Accrington is a Victorian Swimming Gala on Broadway on the 27th November. Accrington and Rossendale College are working in partnership with MarkMark Productions to produce a piece of street theatre which will amuse and surprise passers by as they see people 'swimming' up the main street in Victorian costume."


"Inspired by the TO LET signs outside empty shops, Creativity Works wants to provide local Creative industries opportunities locally to develop, explore and celebrate their creativity and innovation

The project will be delivered under three strands across Pennine Lancashire authorities:

* Branding – A joint promotional campaign
* Business Development – using empty shops to promote creative industries
* Engagement – town centre, events activities and installations.

Collectively this project will raise the region’s cultural ambition, a key objective of the Creativity Works executive."

------------------------------

I have to say, that I fail utterly to see how any of this expensive, vacuous drivel will raise anyone's 'cultural ambitions'. It reeks of that good old Imperial Roman standby; bread and circuses

We all know that the only way Accrington is going to drag itself out of the post industrial wasteland is by work and work focussed education. We need a council that is less dazzled by feasibility studies, consultancies and diversity outreach and more focussed on fostering and attracting manufacturing businesses, you know, companies that actually produce a product that we can sell at home and more importantly abroad.

Until that happens, all this 'community arts' malarky is merely rearanging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

I also think that it is high time that the vast majority of these 'Arts' chancers were denied the public teat to which they have become so firmly attached and forced to go out and find a proper job.

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Acrylic Bob you have taken the words right out of my mouth......especially your observations as to how the area needs to progress to improve the community.
That is, making something that is saleable, not making ourselves a laughing stock around the world.

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So all this is to 'amuse', 'amaze' and 'surprise' the people of Accrington! Isn't that patronizing? Isn't there any better way of spending money, wherever it comes from, than treating the people who pay taxes and buy lottery tickets as fifteen century yokels- would't dancing bears or a public hanging suit them better?
People in Victorian costumes swimming up the main street? 'Inspired by To Let signs'?
This politically correct 'ART' is surely making fools out of everyone involved in it, except those who seem to be being paid for their contributions- they must be laughing all the way to the bank.Better than working!

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And another thing, If Gayle is intent on being the cheerleader for the Arts in Hyndburn wouldn't her time be more profitably spent in having a word with the Nations's treasure houses and persuading them to open the warehouses they maintain, crammed full of art from all over the world, paid for at our expense, and circulating it a bit more so that we could all get a glimpse of what we own from time to time. That, surely, is what the Haworth is for, rather than the grand day nursery it has become.

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I don't think it's classified information, as Gayle messaged me with the answer, when I asked in the thread how much funding the dance teacher will receive.

Cassandra Webster is being paid £1,000.00

As the world's most sucessful flash mobs cost absolutely nothing, and certainly weren't funded by folks' hard earned taxes, it does seem a questionable use of money.

Perhaps the people of Hyndburn will do a jolly little jig themselves, when their next council tax bill lands on their mat, as they contemplate the cuts in services we are about to endure.

It's reported in this weekend's Observer, though not confirmed, that H.B.C. will need to make £3.5 million pound cuts.

At least we'll be able to take some artful solace, by watching Accrington's community arts events on YouTube.

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As an example of what I mean, I copied this from the Japanese Embassy website...

"The Japanese collections at the Victoria and Albert Museum are extensive and varied numbering in excess of 42,000 objects. The collections are predominantly from the Edo period but with good representative earlier objects and a well-documented collection of objects acquired from the great exhibitions of the late nineteenth century. The collections also include contemporary works in different media.
The collections range in period from the Heian to the contemporary and include metalwork (arms and armour, mirrors, cloisonne enamels, decorative inlay, figurative works, religious items and over 5000 sword-fittings); graphic works (including over 28,000 prints and printed books) as well as some paintings and screens; textiles (including court wear, country textiles, costume for performance, religious items and textile samples); ceramics (of all types); wooden objects, furniture and lacquerware (including inro and some world-famous examples of export lacquer) and sculptural pieces (including masks for performance) as well as carvings such as okimono and netsuke."

IN EXCESS OF 42,000 OBJECTS -- and that is just for japanese art!

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Animating Accy, currently 1,973 views on YouTube, and seven comments.

Announcing the wrong winner on Australia's Next Top Model, 1,226,729 views, 3,147 comments.

It was never going to go viral, being neither very funny, innovative, or noteworthy, other than an oddity.

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How many people know that the Haworth has a collection of paintings and drawings, worth nearly five million pounds, besides the famed Tiffany glass, many not on display?

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I knew that there was an extensive collection of prints and watercolours, including a set of steel engravings of Burne Jones's Briar Rose series. Wasn't there also rumoured to be a Constable watercolour and a Turner awaiting attribution? Atarah and I speculated on the amount of the collection adorning the walls of Scaitcliffe Towers.

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I've just noticed on Cassandra Webster's website, that she charges £3.00 per person, to teach a 30 minute dance class.

She'd need to teach 333 people, at her going rate, to earn a thosand quid.

I bet she had a little dance herself, when she realised she was the chosen one, and the recipient of a thousand pounds for teaching Accy's flash mob a few dainty steps.

Fees - ReAct Academy of Theatre Arts

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Why?

They're worth it.

We've been informed as much.

Every monarch needs majestic surroundings.

Council boss?s allowances - Accrington Observer

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The actors, employed for the Victorian Swimming Gala, were apparently trained by one Jacques Lecoq.

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Which seems more than a little apt.

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Maybe, but even our Dear Queen allows us plebs in to view the paintings. Try getting beyond reception at Scaitcliffe Towers.

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Sorry, got confused for a moment.

You are referring to that German woman who wears headscarves.

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Who did you think I was talking about, the former dress shop owner? does-my-budget-look-big-n-this-britcliffe?

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Sorry, your maths are a bit off - she's taught over 200 people the four different dances divided into six groups having six x hour-long sessions each group i.e. 36 hours plus the time it took to devise the dance. That should have cost at least £7,200.

Flash mobs that have happened spontaneously might well cost nothing but this one has been commissioned and I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. There is a company in Manchester that specialises in this sort of thing and you wouldn't get change out of £10k.

Plus, again Cassandra is a local person, shopping in local shops and working with local people.

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Dress shop?

Stop.

I'll get even more confused.

I always refer to it as a frock shop.

The Frocky Horror Picture Hat Shop.

Perhaps Gayle would hire us as a double act?

A Lancastrian Gilbert & George.

Though we wouldn't come cheap, which would be bad news for the poor tax payer.

:rolleyes:

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"I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. "

Doesn't that rather take away the point of the thing?

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Underneath the Arches. Oh how the memories come flooding back.