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shillelagh 07-11-2010 01:40

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didnt know you weighed 17 stone rindy .....:confused::D:D:D

jaysay 07-11-2010 08:46

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859377)
Wanted -

Funding to secure large tank of formaldehyde, suitable for a seventeen stone work of art.

Desperatley needed by creative type, rapidly losing the will to live.

Don't give up G, just try to forget about it mate;)

Less 07-11-2010 08:52

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859377)
Wanted -

Funding to secure large tank of formaldehyde, suitable for a seventeen stone work of art.

Desperatley needed by creative type, rapidly losing the will to live.

It's more a drama class you need, your amateur hysteria just doesn't cut the mustard.

Perhaps there is a good one in your area that could give you assistance?
:D

garinda 07-11-2010 09:05

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859404)
Don't give up G, just try to forget about it mate;)

You're right.

I'll never give up, mainly because I believe what's happening is totally wrong.

Though I'd still like the tank of formaldehyde, to pickle tax payer funded 'community art'.

garinda 07-11-2010 09:13

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859407)
It's more a drama class you need, your amateur hysteria just doesn't cut the mustard.

Amatuer?

People pay me to attend functions, such as funerals, gallery openings, first nights at the theatre, rock concerts, situation comedy audiences, etc.

I'm a professional hysteric, and am highly valued, by those who pay for my services.

;)

:D

jaysay 07-11-2010 09:17

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859417)
Amatuer?

People pay me to attend functions, such as funerals, gallery openings, first nights at the theatre, rock concerts, situation comedy audiences, etc.

I'm a professional hysteric, and am highly valued, by those who pay for my services.

;)

:D

Is that classed as art G:rolleyes::D

Less 07-11-2010 09:25

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Rindy takes his Life long Stage Partner spuggie on one last tour of the sticks.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:x...5x1000.jpg&t=1

garinda 07-11-2010 09:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859421)
Is that classed as art G:rolleyes::D

No.

In the real world, away from state funding, I believe it's known as commerce.

Supply, and demand.

If there isn't any demand, and no wants to part with money, in exchange for what's being offered, supply ceases.

Quaint concept for some to get their head round, I know.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 07-11-2010 09:32

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859428)
No.

In the real world, away from state funding, I believe it's known as commerce.

Supply, and demand.

If there isn't any demand, and no wants to part with money, in exchange for what's being offered, supply ceases.

Quaint concept for some to get their head round, I know.

:rolleyes:

Don't tell me tell Mancie and company

SPUGGIE J 07-11-2010 09:49

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859427)
Rindy takes his Life long Stage Partner spuggie on one last tour of the sticks.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:x...5x1000.jpg&t=1

That is very humbling Less thanks for that. Never thought as myself as artisti. It brings a tear to my eye. :s_cry:

jaysay 07-11-2010 09:55

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859427)
Rindy takes his Life long Stage Partner spuggie on one last tour of the sticks.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:x...5x1000.jpg&t=1

Think the eyes have it Less:D

shillelagh 07-11-2010 12:23

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859427)
Rindy takes his Life long Stage Partner spuggie on one last tour of the sticks.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:x...5x1000.jpg&t=1


which ones which less? :D:D:D

Less 07-11-2010 12:43

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 859484)
which ones which less? :D:D:D

I thought you took the picture of spugs that he uses as an avatar so you should be able to tell who is whom?
;)

garinda 07-11-2010 15:57

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 858652)
I suspect that the cost when known will cause such outrage, that the organisers fear that the event will be sabotaged by protests.

Do you really think so?

Perhaps you're right.

It does seem a little odd that all the other costs have (sort of) been made public, to allow people to decide the value of those community art project for themselves, and yet the cost to the public purse of the final phase is cloaked in mystery, only to be revealed after the Victorian Swimming Gala has taken place.

The longer the amount of funds to put on this art event remain a secret, the more people will speculate that perhaps the cost is so shocking, it wouldn't be wise to let people know the facts.

Though even if that is the case, and uproar is feared, it doesn't excuse the fact that the culture minister recently said that the costs of publicly funded art should be made transparent.

Odd then, on two accounts, as to why we aren't to be told.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 858894)
public relations

–noun 1. the actions of a corporation, store, government, individual, etc., in promoting goodwill between itself and the public, the community, employees, customers, etc.

2. the art, technique, or profession of promoting such goodwill.

http://www.staggeringstories.net/creatbather.jpg ?


Less 07-11-2010 16:34

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Come on Rindy, it's time you did what you are good at, dress yourself up as a French Queen and let them eat cake.:)

shillelagh 07-11-2010 16:43

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859490)
I thought you took the picture of spugs that he uses as an avatar so you should be able to tell who is whom?
;)


my photos of the spugster arent suitable for a family site .... :D:D:D

garinda 07-11-2010 16:49

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859538)
Come on Rindy, it's time you did what you are good at, dress yourself up as a French Queen and let them eat cake.:)

Old Marie actually suggested the peasants ate brioche, a buttery rich bread, rather than cake.

Although the comparisson, of the cosseted few, spending extravagantly, whilst the majority of people went hungry, I do find rather apt.

I'm sure my interest in this thread will diminish, just as soon as we know all the costs involved, so as to make it easier when deciding on 'the value of publicly funded art'.

Unless another event happens in the future, which might benefit from discussion, in the cost versus value debate, of state funded community art.

In which case it could run forever.

Or at least until my one good typing finger ceases to function.

;)

DaveinGermany 07-11-2010 17:14

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Gayle, just give him a price will you ! Look how many pages this has dragged on for, he's like a Terrier after a Rat & he won't give up until he's had an answer. (Admittedly he'll probably rattle on for a couple more pages once he knows, but hey ho ! In the long run it'll be better for everyone :D)

garinda 07-11-2010 17:34

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 859553)
Gayle, just give him a price will you ! Look how many pages this has dragged on for, he's like a Terrier after a Rat & he won't give up until he's had an answer. (Admittedly he'll probably rattle on for a couple more pages once he knows, but hey ho ! In the long run it'll be better for everyone :D)

Whoever, and whenever, we eventually get to know the full costings, it will help people decide the value of such art.

I've been informed someone, not me, has asked for the full funding costs under the Freedom of Information Act.

So regardless, the truth will out....eventually.

Less 07-11-2010 18:53

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859545)
I'm sure my interest in this thread will diminish, just as soon as we know all the costs involved, so as to make it easier when deciding on 'the value of publicly funded art'.

;)

Let's be honest, Privately or publicly funded art, I couldn't afford it if it wasn't for people that will have been on the dole sacrificing themselves to gardening rather than look for a proper job, (just a thought, what if you are a gardener out of work for six months? Do you do your trade for free? Or do you complain that somebody has already taken your job?).:confused:

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Or at least until my one good typing finger ceases to function.
Before you give up on accyweb, I for one will call and make sure you keep annoying folk on the web, (have I sent you my fees, or are you going to go down the grant route?).
:o

garinda 07-11-2010 20:12

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 859589)
Let's be honest, Privately or publicly funded art, I couldn't afford it...

Whether it's affordable or not, or even if it's good or bad, regarding publicly funded art, apparently the tax payer has sadly no say on whether they want to fund it or not.

On your last point, don't worry.

When my last good typing finger no longer does as I want it to, I'll sellotape an old biro to my forehead, and I'll carry on tapping away.

Carry on tapping out, what I believe to be the truth. That being that the majority of people don't agree that their hard earned taxes are spent on such fripperies as 'community art'. More so, when the country is in the dire straits it currently is.

Financially, and morally, the vanity of state funded art is unaffordable.

jaysay 08-11-2010 09:35

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859614)
Whether it's affordable or not, or even if it's good or bad, regarding publicly funded art, apparently the tax payer has sadly no say on whether they want to fund it or not.

On your last point, don't worry.

When my last good typing finger no longer does as I want it to, I'll sellotape an old biro to my forehead, and I'll carry on tapping away.

Carry on tapping out, what I believe to be the truth. That being that the majority of people don't agree that their hard earned taxes are spent on such fripperies as 'community art'. More so, when the country is in the dire straits it currently is.

Financially, and morally, the vanity of state funded art is unaffordable.

Affordable or unaffordable, it don't make much difference to me, anything that is classed as a leisure pursuit should be funded by those who use or are interested in it. I would imagine that 80% of the general public have never given a fig for art of any kind, I'm in that category

garinda 08-11-2010 09:57

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859701)
Affordable or unaffordable, it don't make much difference to me, anything that is classed as a leisure pursuit should be funded by those who use or are interested in it. I would imagine that 80% of the general public have never given a fig for art of any kind, I'm in that category

I don't really understand what you're saying.

Doesn't it make a difference to you, even though you say art isn't of interest to you, that you're funding it, regardless as to whether you want to, or not?

If someone was struggling to keep a roof over their familys' heads, and hard to find money to keep them warm and fed, they'd be pretty stupid spending money having the front door painted.

State funded art schemes seem unwanted, by the vast majority of people, who see very little value and worth in them, both finacially and artistically.

Still, it's only 'two bob' of your money...or £2,000.00, to be more precise, if you want to teach the next generation of Banksys to pefect their tag in an Accrington park, before sharing their graffiti with us on a lager scale.

jaysay 08-11-2010 10:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859709)
I don't really understand what you're saying.

Doesn't it make a difference to you, even though you say art isn't of interest to you, that you're funding it, regardless as to whether you want to, or not?

If someone was struggling to keep a roof over their familys' heads, and hard to find money to keep them warm and fed, they'd be pretty stupid spending money having the front door painted.

State funded art schemes seem unwanted, by the vast majority of people, who see very little value and worth in them, both finacially and artistically.

Still, it's only 'two bob' of your money...or £2,000.00, to be more precise, if you want to teach the next generation of Banksys to pefect their tag in an Accrington park, before sharing their graffiti with us on a lager scale.

If two grand helps to stimulate the minds of some young people and gives them an interest other than wrecking parks and standing on street corners making a complete nuisance of themselves, then its money well spent, because it will save money in the long run

garinda 08-11-2010 10:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859713)
If two grand helps to stimulate the minds of some young people and gives them an interest other than wrecking parks and standing on street corners making a complete nuisance of themselves, then its money well spent, because it will save money in the long run

Ok, we'll have to differ on the value of that two grand.

:rolleyes:

Perhaps we should also be applying for funding for those young people who have an interest in knives, mugging, and nicking cars, so they can have a more creative outlet, other than that already supplied by schools, youth groups etc.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 08-11-2010 10:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859717)
Ok, we'll have to differ on the value of that two grand.

:rolleyes:

Perhaps we should also be applying for funding for those young people who have an interest in knives, mugging, and nicking cars, so they can have a more creative outlet, other than that already supplied by schools, youth groups etc.

:rolleyes:

Oh come on G now your just being pedantic, I actually called in the Ossy Youth Centre the other week, and had a long chat with the centre manager Martin, but for the efforts of himself and his staff there would be far more unruly youths on our streets, some projects are art based, to me its striking a happy medium that's beneficial to both the recipient of the support and the tax payer

garinda 08-11-2010 10:25

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859713)
If two grand helps to stimulate the minds of some young people and gives them an interest other than wrecking parks and standing on street corners making a complete nuisance of themselves, then its money well spent, because it will save money in the long run

Besides, young people already have more material goods, and access to education and existing youth leisure schemes, than at any other time in this country's history.

In the the late twenties and early nineteen thirties young people also stood on street corners. Mainly because there was no jobs, and they were hungry.

They didn't 'wreck parks', or need state funding to stimulate their creativity, and keep them out of trouble.

They needed state funding to put some food in the bellies.

They didn't need a bribe, to make them behave in a civilised fashion.

Throwing money at a problem, doesn't necessarily solve it.

jaysay 08-11-2010 10:31

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859719)
Besides, young people already have more material goods, and access to education and existing youth leisure schemes, than at any other time in this country's history.

In the the late twenties and early nineteen thirties young people also stood on street corners. Mainly because there was no jobs, and they were hungry.

They didn't 'wreck parks', or need state funding to stimulate their creativity, and keep them out of trouble.

They needed state funding to put some food in the bellies.

They didn't need a bribe, to make them behave in a civilised fashion.

Throwing money at a problem, doesn't necessarily solve it.

That maybe so but not giving a toss is just as bad, if that's the case lets shut all the youth centres and other youth projects and turn the clock back to the 1930s and not give young people any support other than school, like the good old days;)

garinda 08-11-2010 10:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859718)
Oh come on G now your just being pedantic, I actually called in the Ossy Youth Centre the other week, and had a long chat with the centre manager Martin, but for the efforts of himself and his staff there would be far more unruly youths on our streets, some projects are art based, to me its striking a happy medium that's beneficial to both the recipient of the support and the tax payer

Good for them.

Genuinely.

However there are many youth groups who receive no funding, other than that they raise themselves.

My dad ran one for many years.

I also attended one myself.

I'll say again, throwing money at something doesn't always mean that that is the answer.

Paying some one two thousand pounds to organise graffiti being sprayed on a wall in Oak Hill Park, is utterly ludicrous.

garinda 08-11-2010 10:36

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859721)
That maybe so but not giving a toss is just as bad, if that's the case lets shut all the youth centres and other youth projects and turn the clock back to the 1930s and not give young people any support other than school, like the good old days;)

There's never been as much support.

Nor have young people ever had as much materially.

If there's still anti-social behaviour, something's wrong.

Probably due chanelling tax payers' money into brain dead, community art schemes.

garinda 08-11-2010 10:51

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859721)
That maybe so but not giving a toss is just as bad, if that's the case lets shut all the youth centres and other youth projects and turn the clock back to the 1930s and not give young people any support other than school, like the good old days;)


Also, if a youth group qualifies for some funding, and they decide to use some of that money on materials for crafts and hobbies, that is their decision.

This in not the same as spending thousands of pounds of council tax payers' money, paying so called profesional artists, to crochet freakin' wooly caterpillars, and exhibit them under the umberalla name of 'community art'

jaysay 08-11-2010 10:54

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859724)
There's never been as much support.

Nor have young people ever had as much materially.

If there's still anti-social behaviour, something's wrong.

Probably due chanelling tax payers' money into brain dead, community art schemes.

The reason for anti-social behaviour, is lack of discipline. no doubt you as well as myself adhered to rules when we were growing up, I respected my parents, teachers and other figures in society, which I'm sure you did too G. There is a lot made in this day and age of young people being respected, the only difference when we were young is you received that respect when you'd earned it, not as a right

garinda 08-11-2010 11:34

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859726)
The reason for anti-social behaviour, is lack of discipline. no doubt you as well as myself adhered to rules when we were growing up, I respected my parents, teachers and other figures in society, which I'm sure you did too G. There is a lot made in this day and age of young people being respected, the only difference when we were young is you received that respect when you'd earned it, not as a right

Very true, and no matter how much money you throw at it, in the guise of two grand spent gaffiting a park wall, it can't be bought either.

Respect is earned, like the taxes that fund such lunacy.

Barrie Yates 08-11-2010 17:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859732)
Very true, and no matter how much money you throw at it, in the guise of two grand spent gaffiting a park wall, it can't be bought either.

Respect is earned, like the taxes that fund such lunacy.

Totally agree with you and Jay.;)

jaysay 08-11-2010 17:50

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 859803)
Totally agree with you and Jay.;)

Hum a threesome:D

Barrie Yates 08-11-2010 21:54

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 859819)
Hum a threesome:D

Don't get carried away:p

garinda 08-11-2010 23:01

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Now, this is a pretty little picture.

she speaks like silence by ~guitarsallly on deviantART

jaysay 09-11-2010 09:00

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 859919)
Don't get carried away:p

Never do Barrie:rolleyes:

jaysay 09-11-2010 09:02

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 859927)
Now, this is a pretty little picture.

she speaks like silence by ~guitarsallly on deviantART

We some of the comments were interesting :rolleyes:

yerself 09-11-2010 09:40

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Originally Posted by garinda
Now, this is a pretty little picture.

Is it by the woman in the Market Hall? It's pretty good for crochet work. I wonder what Brian's view would be about publicly funded crocheting and waterless swimming?

garinda 09-11-2010 14:56

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 859978)
Is it by the woman in the Market Hall? It's pretty good for crochet work. I wonder what Brian's view would be about publicly funded crocheting and waterless swimming?

He'll just have to wait and see, like the rest of us, who aren't allowed to know the cost, before the first stroke has been swam, and then decide, if it's of any value to us all, both artistically and finacially.

:rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 09-11-2010 15:10

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Has Gayle has decided never to darken this website again, as she said she might? I can't say I blame her if she has, she's taken some stick on here.
However, she never did tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the 'Cultural Olympics' London 2012 would be and what it was going to cost.Does anyone know?

Less 09-11-2010 15:41

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 860051)
Has Gayle has decided never to darken this website again, as she said she might? I can't say I blame her if she has, she's taken some stick on here.
However, she never did tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the 'Cultural Olympics' London 2012 would be and what it was going to cost.Does anyone know?

If Gayle isn't to darken the site again, don't worry about the stick she has taken, she put herself up for this, and has had plenty of free publicity.

She always struck me as someone of reasonable intelligence, surely she knows it goes with the territory?
:)

As for 'Cultural Olympics', how could any Town that puts forward the examples we have had so far be even considering itself, 'Cultural'?
:confused:

garinda 09-11-2010 15:47

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 860051)
Has Gayle has decided never to darken this website again, as she said she might? I can't say I blame her if she has, she's taken some stick on here.
However, she never did tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the 'Cultural Olympics' London 2012 would be and what it was going to cost.Does anyone know?


There's been open debate before, about the value of publicly funded ar in the area.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...hem-17904.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ire-17860.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ght-10871.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...poll-8988.html

If the people employed by the tax payer to promote community art, wish to enter into a public debate as to the worth and value of such things, that is totally up to them.

garinda 09-11-2010 16:36

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 860051)
Has Gayle has decided never to darken this website again, as she said she might? I can't say I blame her if she has, she's taken some stick on here.
However, she never did tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the 'Cultural Olympics' London 2012 would be and what it was going to cost.Does anyone know?


Besides, although it's now apparent Gayle's role is now much more than as that of creative director of the Civic arts centre, and is now concerned with all the arts in Hyndburn, surely there must be more than one person who knows the funding costs of specific events?

Since the information has now been released that Hyndburn Borough Council are providing 'about' 25% of the funding costs, perhaps one of our councillors will inform the public of the finances from the public purse that are involved?

Until such time as there is complete and total openess, and real transparency, of all the funding costs involved, for ALL events, the public has really very little chance of evaluating the true worth to us of community art.

garinda 10-11-2010 05:11

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 860062)
If Gayle isn't to darken the site again, don't worry about the stick she has taken, she put herself up for this, and has had plenty of free publicity.

"Hyndburn Enterprise Trust helped me immensely.
Whilst I would have to say that the
grant money is nice...

'Mediatricks helps young, small to medium sized businesses promote their company in unique and economical ways.'

'...we can help you promote your products or services to your target markets.'

'Google Page Ranking stands for Public Relations. Effective Google Page Ranking aims to strengthen, maintain and shape a company's position within its markets and secure its reputation in the community as a whole.'

'My business is marketing and publicity, but one area that I was lacking knowledge was financially'

Hyndburn Enterprise Trust - Means Better Business

If all publicity is good publicity, she'll probably pop back soon to thank those who've helped in publicising the events showcased by the companies and professionals involved, who've benefited from public funding, and who have exhibited such creative and diverse community arts for us here in Hyndburn.

garinda 10-11-2010 05:28

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860241)
'Google Page Ranking stands for Public Relations. Effective Google Page Ranking aims to strengthen, maintain and shape a company's position within its markets and secure its reputation in the community as a whole.'


'The Sunday Times article states the Government has “expressed surprise at the sums paid” and Ed Vaizey the Culture Minister is quoted as saying:
“There really must be full transparency for all publicly funded arts bodies”.

'There is also a statement from the Arts Council expressing a similar, though more limited, sentiment:
“Anybody in receipt of significant public money should be transparent about their core funding costs”.
mySociety Blog Archive Minister Demands Full Transparency for all Publicly Funded Arts Bodies

In the interest of good Google Page Ranking, as well as this new climate of openess and transparency, I just wish someone, anyone, would inform the people funding it, just what those funding costs are for the forthcoming Victorian Swiming Gala, then we can finally assess the true value of publicly funded art.

Neil 10-11-2010 07:20

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860243)
In the interest of good Google Page Ranking, as well as this new climate of openess and transparency, I just wish someone, anyone, would inform the people funding it, just what those funding costs are for the forthcoming Victorian Swiming Gala, then we can finally assess the true value of publicly funded art.

I don't see what the issue is. Gayle has stated she will tell you when the event is over as she does not want the event to be judged on cost alone as happened with the other one.

garinda 10-11-2010 07:43

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 860269)
I don't see what the issue is. Gayle has stated she will tell you when the event is over as she does not want the event to be judged on cost alone as happened with the other one.

It wasn't 'one'.

We were informed of the costs of all the other events, including the costs of the flash mob, which had yet to happen. Which makes people wonder why this event is different from the rest.

The fact that the cost of the flash mob was stated as one thousand pounds, that being the fee paid to the dance teacher, when infact it was £1,160.00, is neither here nor there.
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The 'issue is' we are supposdly, according to the government's Minister of Culture, living in a time when all publicly funded art projects should be open, and transparent about their funding.

It shouldn't be a game of peek-a-boo.

Some you see. Some you don't.

If it is, it leaves people wondering why the costs of some art events are being kept hidden, until after they've happened, and when the professional artists have banked their fees, and safely headed back over the Pennines to Yorkshire.

As for 'judging'. It seems a little odd that someone starts a thread, asking people to judge the value of publcly funded art, if they aren't to be given all the relevant information as to make that possible.

Whether those involved decide it would be wise to release the cost of funding this event now, is up to them.

It will become public knowledge.

That could be before the Victorian Swimming Gala has happened.

Doesn't sound like particularly good Google Page Ranking, not to be honest and open about it, at this present time.

garinda 10-11-2010 08:33

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 860269)
I don't see what the issue is. Gayle has stated she will tell you when the event is over as she does not want the event to be judged on cost alone as happened with the other one.

Is some art so special, that it's 'priceless'?

Unlike the flash mob apparently, and unlike anything else in the real world of commerce?

You don't go into an estate agents, wanting to buy a house, and they take your money, but without actually telling you how much the house is valued at, or how much they've taken, and thus allowing you the right to decide if it is worth what was paid.

;)

garinda 10-11-2010 08:54

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 860269)
I don't see what the issue is.

That's probably due to your postition of privilege. As you've posted you've already been informed of the funding costs for the Victorian Swimmin Gala. Unlike all the other tax payers in Hyndburn who are helping to fund it.

Therefore you are able to evaluate the value of public funded art, and thus making it harder to 'see the issue', unlike everyone else.

;)

Neil 10-11-2010 08:58

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860291)
You don't go into an estate agents, wanting to buy a house, and they take your money, but without actually telling you how much the house is valued at, or how much they've taken, and thus allowing you the right to decide if it is worth what was paid.

;)

And you don't rip the house to pieces without viewing it based on the cost alone.

garinda 10-11-2010 09:03

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 860302)
And you don't rip the house to pieces without viewing it based on the cost alone.

Er...in the real world, I think you'll find that people do that every single day.

'Three hundred grand?'

'For that tumble down shack!'

'Are they having a laugh?'

'No one in their right mind will pay that for it!'

;)

garinda 10-11-2010 09:04

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Like I say.

There is an art to defending the indefensible.

Though I've yet to meet anyone with that much valued skill.

Tealeaf 10-11-2010 13:56

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860278)
It wasn't 'one'.

We were informed of the costs of all the other events, including the costs of the flash mob, which had yet to happen. Which makes people wonder why this event is different from the rest.

The fact that the cost of the flash mob was stated as one thousand pounds, that being the fee paid to the dance teacher, when infact it was £1,160.00, is neither here nor there.
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That could be before the Victorian Swimming Gala has happened.

Doesn't sound like particularly good Google Page Ranking, not to be honest and open about it, at this present time.

Whats all this nonsense about Flash Mobs costing a grand? Where has that figure come from? We get flash mob events practically every week here in London and the most they cost is that of an text message sent inviting someone else to turn up.

I really wonder what the hell is going on up there...money is being spent like it's going out of fashion...Fifteen thousand on free bags of grit for Hyndburn's wealthy...two thousand quid on some junk mail called the 'Beacon' (how well will that burn, I wonder?)....another couple of thousand for some idiots to cavort on Broadway. Have the powers-that-be gone completely bonkers?

cashman 10-11-2010 14:02

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 860378)
Whats all this nonsense about Flash Mobs costing a grand? Where has that figure come from? We get flash mob events practically every week here in London and the most they cost is that of an text message sent inviting someone else to turn up.

I really wonder what the hell is going on up there...money is being spent like it's going out of fashion...Fifteen thousand on free bags of grit for Hyndburn's wealthy...two thousand quid on some junk mail called the 'Beacon' (how well will that burn, I wonder?)....another couple of thousand for some idiots to cavort on Broadway. Have the powers-that-be gone completely bonkers?

yep but they won't tell ya some of the costs.:D forgot to add i got a lovely "Free" shopping bag down accy this dinner, Carbon Zero Jute Bag, real good quality was givin em away on outside market opposite wilkinsons, ta very much, wonder what they cost?:rolleyes:

garinda 10-11-2010 14:18

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 860378)
Whats all this nonsense about Flash Mobs costing a grand? Where has that figure come from?

In my question, earlier in this thread...

'So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?'

The reply (in post 230) was...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 856527)
No other costs.

This doesn't appear to be the actual cost though, despite that very clear answer.

According to page two of this link, the actual funding cost was ...

Total budget £1,160

Dance prep x 1 day £100
9 groups @ £15 per hour £810
Performance co-ordination £100
Admin £150
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I agree with you. The whole point of flash mobs is they cost nowt to put on, even the ones attracting thousands of people. Certainly they don't cost the tax payer a penny to arrange them.

It does leave many people pondering why the funding costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala are to be kept secret...until after the event.

Surely it can't be that we'd be shocked as to the costings?

We'd all keep that in mind, realising funding is relative to the worth, when working out the 'value to us of public funded art', like the swimming event.

Neil 10-11-2010 17:54

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860385)
It does leave many people pondering why the funding costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala are to be kept secret...until after the event.


Maybe its just to wind you lot up ;)





Its working really well :D:D:D:D

jaysay 10-11-2010 18:10

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 860412)
Maybe its just to wind you lot up ;)





Its working really well :D:D:D:D

Neil Shushhhhhhhhhhh you'll spoil the fun:D

garinda 11-11-2010 06:46

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 860412)
Maybe its just to wind you lot up ;)

Its working really well :D:D:D:D

Not at all.

I'm agreeing with the saying that 'All publicity, even when it's bad, is good publicity'.

In which case this tax payer funded fiasco, will be a a roaring success.

Still, in this climate of transparency and cuts, the time of living off the cream, skimmed from the top of the tax payers' collective milk bottle, will soon be over.

Forget wind, as in clock.

That'll put the wind, as in blow, up all those arty types who can't make a living commercially, but who have had to rely on state funding to make a living.

That'll put more smiles on people's faces, than their so called 'community art' ever did.

;)

garinda 11-11-2010 06:51

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860241)
"Hyndburn Enterprise Trust helped me immensely.
Whilst I would have to say that the
grant money is nice...

'Mediatricks helps young, small to medium sized businesses promote their company in unique and economical ways.'

'...we can help you promote your products or services to your target markets.'

'Google Page Ranking stands for Public Relations. Effective Google Page Ranking aims to strengthen, maintain and shape a company's position within its markets and secure its reputation in the community as a whole.'

'My business is marketing and publicity, but one area that I was lacking knowledge was financially'

Hyndburn Enterprise Trust - Means Better Business

If all publicity is good publicity, she'll probably pop back soon to thank those who've helped in publicising the events showcased by the companies and professionals involved, who've benefited from public funding, and who have exhibited such creative and diverse community arts for us here in Hyndburn.

Is Gayle's company Mediatricks still in business?

Are any of the artists/companies involved in any of these events, past or present clients?

Gayle 11-11-2010 08:06

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860522)
Is Gayle's company Mediatricks still in business?

No

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda
Are any of the artists/companies involved in any of these events, past or present clients?

No

garinda 11-11-2010 08:57

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 860534)
No



No


Oh, that's very sad. As it is when any commercial business fails. A local one especially.

Just crossed my mind, with a name like Mediatricks, that you'd been suprisingly clever, and tricked us all into providing a media, in which to promote the businesses you represented.

Guess not.

We digress, back to the subject of the thread, 'the value of public funded art.

Perhaps the reason the fundings costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala are being kept (sort of) secret, until after the event, unlike all the others, is because the public will indeed be very shocked.

Not at the vast amounts of money involved, but because it's so cheap, and that we'd therefore not have very high expectations, when it comes to assessing the quality of the performance.

Perhaps the shock, and the real reason the funding costs are being cloaked in secrecy, is that the performing clowns will be heading back to Yorkshire, not with sack loads of Hyndburn payers' taxes, but five loaves, two fishes, and a black pudding between them, as their fee.

:rolleyes:

Gayle 11-11-2010 09:55

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860562)
Oh, that's very sad. As it is when any commercial business fails. A local one especially.

My business did not fail. There is no need to resort to personal attacks and snidy comments. You have surprised me.

garinda 11-11-2010 11:25

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 860585)
My business did not fail. There is no need to resort to personal attacks and snidy comments. You have surprised me.

I apologise.

If it makes you happier...

Oh, that's very sad. As it is when any commercial business ceases trading. A local one especially.

Sadly the continued silence, regarding making the costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala known to the public who are actually funding it, as both the Minister of Culture and the Arts Council say it should be, suprises no one.

Apparently the information has to be released within twenty days, after it has been requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

I have no idea when the person who requested the funding costs did this, but there's the very real possibilty that the information will be in the public domain before the event anyway. Which makes the continued silence a bit of a Google Page Ranking disaster.

Again I apologise if you think I've been 'snidy' (sic).

I don't think I have.

The only things I've said about you personally have been positive.

I prefer to see the good in people.

Which is why I knew you yourself weren't being snidey, when referring to 'suit sellers', as I'd (wrongly) been reported in the press of doing, and 'cake makers', which I believe is the nature of Acrylic-bob's successful business, when you asked what were worthwhile jobs, in post 10 of this thread.

Still, not long to go.

Let's hope the weather picks up before the 27th, or the Yorkshire clowns really will be swimming down Broadway.

(No need to thank me, for yet one more plug for the event.)

:)

garinda 11-11-2010 11:42

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 860585)
You have surprised me.

Since you appear to have popped back, welcome, by the way, how on earth can people judge the value of publicly funded art, which is what this thread is about, if they don't know the financial costs involved, which will help them decide on the value of something?

Go on.

As well as helping the people who are funding it, and who might be struggling to evaluate the value of publicy funded art, suprise them.

garinda 11-11-2010 11:59

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Originally Posted by garinda
'So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 856527)
No other costs.

Total budget £1,160

Dance prep x 1 day £100
9 groups @ £15 per hour £810
Performance co-ordination £100
Admin £150
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Could you possibly throw any light on this apparent discrepancy, regarding the funding costs of the flash mob event?

:confused:

Tealeaf 11-11-2010 13:34

Re: The value of public funded art
 
No mention of VAT @ 17.5%.

garinda 11-11-2010 18:18

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel

shillelagh 11-11-2010 18:39

Re: The value of public funded art
 
sorry to go back to the flash mob ... but on the flash mob website .. which advertises them .. it does have Dance accy on it .. but its the only one with funding .. none of the rest mention it at all ...

Flashmob Dancing Accy | Flashmob.co.uk

On 20th November, between 1pm and 2pm, there will be a Flash Mob in Accrington Town Centre. Four dances will happen during the hour. Assemble on Broadway in Accrington to watch and join in.
This is phase 3 of project called Liberating Empty Terrain which aims to bring people back into Accrington Town Centre. Phase 1 and 2 included Mapping Accy, Animating Accy and Crotcheting Accy.
This project is co-funded by Hyndburn Borough Council and the Arts Council via Creativity Works and is part of a Pennine Lancashire Initiative to reinvigorate town centres.

plymouth's:
It’s getting cold and everyone needs a hug right? So how about we get as many of the good people of plymouth in the same place, at the same time and share a hug with friends and strangers to let eachother know that actually, most people really are cool and friendly.
so, the plan- everyone turn up on armada way between the big sundial and the big screen at about 1:55pm on the 13th of november and keep an eye on the clock on the big screen, so at 2pm exactly…hug a friend, hug a stranger, hug your mum, hug my mum, hug both our mums at the same time, hug whoever you want to hug.
the rules
1- respect other people’s personal space, ask someone if they want a hug before you go for it
2-hugs will go on as long as they have to
3-no bottom pinching. see rule 1.
4-invite your friends and let’s see how many people we can have hugging at once

Now go forth and spread the word!
Invite everyone you know who thinks life is better when you’ve just had a hug, everyone who believes strangers are really nice people as well and everyone who still thinks love can change the world!

Leeds:
At 3pm on saturday the 25th of november we meet up at a site yet to be decided sync watches then head to the centre of brigate in leeds. People need to looks like they are going about there general business but be around the right area as soon as it hits 3pm people freeze for 5min and then carry on after the 5 min has gone.

Manchester:
To take place in the centre of Manchester. A flashmob about giving, interacting with strangers and simple kindness, because we don’t have enough of that, right? A massive group of people will assemble and as the clocks strike 12pm, get on their knees, and present to a complete stranger a gift. It could be small and seemingly insignificant - a balloon, or a banana, or a spoon. Or it could be your red Ferrari as you have one lying around, cluttering the drive. Whatever you want. It’s time to put a (bemused) smile on someone’s face! Check out our website at mobtogive.tumblr.com


Theyre simple .. dont need to learn a dance ..

Tealeaf 11-11-2010 18:46

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Please, please, please tell me that this is a joke.

I think that flash mobbing started in the US about 5 years ago; it was about a spontaneous display, creating street art by members of the public; as such it was the very antithesis of funded and elitist art. I remember about 18 months ago I was caught up at Liverpool St station when about 10,000 turned up for a performance. Amazing . And it cost not a penny.

Whatever this stuff is that is planned for Accy, it has absolutely nowt to do with flash mobbing. Call it a dance show, call it a disco, call it what you will - but not this.

Ooops..just seen the previous post....but look! No dance troops in Plymouth, Manchester or Leeds...just people turning up to make the event.

garinda 11-11-2010 18:47

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860675)
Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel

Although if you'd gone down the more tradition route, the costs would have been zilch...

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857861)
Approach local dance schol. Find out who is good, and perhaps wants to dance as a career. Ask if they'd help video an easy to learn sequence, which would be filmed, after promissing them you'll write a reference, if/when they apply to study dance at college, and perhaps throw in a new pair of leg-warmers.

Make sure details of event, and video showing what people should do at allotted time of flash mob, are sent to every school, youth club, community centre, whoever else might be interested, in the area.

Sit back, and watch it happen.

No fees, no admin. charges, no charge for performance co-ordination.

Nothing required from the public purse at all.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel

A great fat zero, and a saving of £1,160.00

;)

garinda 11-11-2010 18:48

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Ok, the cost of a pair of leg-warmers.

;)

shillelagh 11-11-2010 18:52

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Flashmob FAQs | Flashmob.co.uk


What is a Flash Mob?
It’s a sudden gathering of people into a crowd that do something unusual for a few minutes in unison and then disperse.
Who runs Flash Mobs?
Flash mobs are run by individual people for the fun of it. There are no organisations behind real Flash Mobs, though there have been many gatherings using Flash Mob principles organised by commercial interests.
How can I go to a Flash Mob?
You need to find a group that is close to your location flashmob.co.uk should be one of your choices for keeping in touch by reading the site and following us on Twitter and you could through social networking sites such as Facebook and Myspace for groups setting up Flash Mobs.
Do I need props?
Generally no, though themed flashmobs are on the increase, but if an item is needed you will be notified in the instructions e-mailed to you.
Can I dress up for a Flash Mob?
Generally this is frowned upon as the idea is for a crowd to suddenly appear out of nowhere and if everyone is dressed as clowns it may just give the game away!
Can you do a Flash Mob for my product launch?
Several corporates have tried this, the first to really jump on the bandwagon were the band Jane’s Addiction and certain news media companies did their own banana based stunt in London. Yes you can do a commercial version of flash mobbing but don’t expect any help from traditional Flash mob organisers - if you can find them. The whole spirit of the idea gets a little bit tainted as soon as anyone tries to use flash mobs as a communication exercise and the public can be quite cynical about your objectives. But if you do go ahead then do remember that success relies on ordinary members of the public enjoying themselves - how would you feel being used to promote something you may not believe in.
There has never been a Flash Mob in my town, can I set one up?
Yes go ahead and do it - enjoy yourself. If you need help and tips then get in contact by e-mail with the organisers of other flash mob groups who will give you plenty of advice. Look for contact details on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace or flash mob websites, or Yahoo/Google Groups.

DaveinGermany 11-11-2010 18:55

Re: The value of public funded art
 
The Manchester one could prove quite novel ! :D A pork pie to a vegetableist, a banana to .... we'll leave that one alone? :eek: a can of Beer to a reformed Alcoholic ? Issues all over it.

It’s time to put a (bemused) smile on someone’s face!
And get lamped in the process, we're talking Manchester here ! Random acts of kindness don't happen & if they do they are usually judged with a large dollop of suspicion, quality ! There are definitely some strange folk out there.

garinda 11-11-2010 19:10

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 860700)
Flashmob FAQs | Flashmob.co.uk


What is a Flash Mob?
It’s a sudden gathering of people into a crowd that do something unusual for a few minutes in unison and then disperse.
Who runs Flash Mobs?
Flash mobs are run by individual people for the fun of it. There are no organisations behind real Flash Mobs, though there have been many gatherings using Flash Mob principles organised by commercial interests.
How can I go to a Flash Mob?
You need to find a group that is close to your location flashmob.co.uk should be one of your choices for keeping in touch by reading the site and following us on Twitter and you could through social networking sites such as Facebook and Myspace for groups setting up Flash Mobs.
Do I need props?
Generally no, though themed flashmobs are on the increase, but if an item is needed you will be notified in the instructions e-mailed to you.
Can I dress up for a Flash Mob?
Generally this is frowned upon as the idea is for a crowd to suddenly appear out of nowhere and if everyone is dressed as clowns it may just give the game away!
Can you do a Flash Mob for my product launch?
Several corporates have tried this, the first to really jump on the bandwagon were the band Jane’s Addiction and certain news media companies did their own banana based stunt in London. Yes you can do a commercial version of flash mobbing but don’t expect any help from traditional Flash mob organisers - if you can find them. The whole spirit of the idea gets a little bit tainted as soon as anyone tries to use flash mobs as a communication exercise and the public can be quite cynical about your objectives. But if you do go ahead then do remember that success relies on ordinary members of the public enjoying themselves - how would you feel being used to promote something you may not believe in.
There has never been a Flash Mob in my town, can I set one up?
Yes go ahead and do it - enjoy yourself. If you need help and tips then get in contact by e-mail with the organisers of other flash mob groups who will give you plenty of advice. Look for contact details on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace or flash mob websites, or Yahoo/Google Groups.

All that misses off another vital point...

'The term flash mob is generally applied only to gatherings organized via telecommunications, social media, or viral emails.'

'The term is generally not applied to events organized by public relation firms, protests, and publicity stunts.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob

Otherwise it loses it's spontaneity, energy, and point really, and would be considered a bit naff, by anyone with any real artistic integrity.

garinda 11-11-2010 19:11

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 860700)
Flashmob FAQs | Flashmob.co.uk


What is a Flash Mob?
It’s a sudden gathering of people into a crowd that do something unusual for a few minutes in unison and then disperse.
Who runs Flash Mobs?
Flash mobs are run by individual people for the fun of it. There are no organisations behind real Flash Mobs, though there have been many gatherings using Flash Mob principles organised by commercial interests.
How can I go to a Flash Mob?
You need to find a group that is close to your location flashmob.co.uk should be one of your choices for keeping in touch by reading the site and following us on Twitter and you could through social networking sites such as Facebook and Myspace for groups setting up Flash Mobs.
Do I need props?
Generally no, though themed flashmobs are on the increase, but if an item is needed you will be notified in the instructions e-mailed to you.
Can I dress up for a Flash Mob?
Generally this is frowned upon as the idea is for a crowd to suddenly appear out of nowhere and if everyone is dressed as clowns it may just give the game away!
Can you do a Flash Mob for my product launch?
Several corporates have tried this, the first to really jump on the bandwagon were the band Jane’s Addiction and certain news media companies did their own banana based stunt in London. Yes you can do a commercial version of flash mobbing but don’t expect any help from traditional Flash mob organisers - if you can find them. The whole spirit of the idea gets a little bit tainted as soon as anyone tries to use flash mobs as a communication exercise and the public can be quite cynical about your objectives. But if you do go ahead then do remember that success relies on ordinary members of the public enjoying themselves - how would you feel being used to promote something you may not believe in.
There has never been a Flash Mob in my town, can I set one up?
Yes go ahead and do it - enjoy yourself. If you need help and tips then get in contact by e-mail with the organisers of other flash mob groups who will give you plenty of advice. Look for contact details on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace or flash mob websites, or Yahoo/Google Groups.

All that misses off another vital point...

'The term flash mob is generally applied only to gatherings organized via telecommunications, social media, or viral emails.'

'The term is generally not applied to events organized by public relation firms, protests, and publicity stunts.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob

Otherwise it loses it's spontaneity, energy, and point really, and would be considered a bit naff, by anyone with any real artistic integrity.

Certainly by the cool youths, who started doing them ten years ago.

Tealeaf 11-11-2010 19:17

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Well, folks - I think we've got the point across now. Whatever this is in Accy, it ain't a flash mob event.

garinda 11-11-2010 19:22

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 860714)
Well, folks - I think we've got the point across now. Whatever this is in Accy, it ain't a flash mob event.

There's one thing it definitely is though.

Costly.

Guinness 11-11-2010 19:52

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 860693)
sorry to go back to the flash mob ... but on the flash mob website .. which advertises them .. it does have Dance accy on it .. but its the only one with funding .. none of the rest mention it at all ...

Flashmob Dancing Accy | Flashmob.co.uk

On 20th November, between 1pm and 2pm, there will be a Flash Mob in Accrington Town Centre. Four dances will happen during the hour. Assemble on Broadway in Accrington to watch and join in.
This is phase 3 of project called Liberating Empty Terrain which aims to bring people back into Accrington Town Centre. Phase 1 and 2 included Mapping Accy, Animating Accy and Crotcheting Accy.
This project is co-funded by Hyndburn Borough Council and the Arts Council via Creativity Works and is part of a Pennine Lancashire Initiative to reinvigorate town centres.

plymouth's:
It’s getting cold and everyone needs a hug right? So how about we get as many of the good people of plymouth in the same place, at the same time and share a hug with friends and strangers to let eachother know that actually, most people really are cool and friendly.
so, the plan- everyone turn up on armada way between the big sundial and the big screen at about 1:55pm on the 13th of november and keep an eye on the clock on the big screen, so at 2pm exactly…hug a friend, hug a stranger, hug your mum, hug my mum, hug both our mums at the same time, hug whoever you want to hug.
the rules
1- respect other people’s personal space, ask someone if they want a hug before you go for it
2-hugs will go on as long as they have to
3-no bottom pinching. see rule 1.
4-invite your friends and let’s see how many people we can have hugging at once

Now go forth and spread the word!
Invite everyone you know who thinks life is better when you’ve just had a hug, everyone who believes strangers are really nice people as well and everyone who still thinks love can change the world!

Leeds:
At 3pm on saturday the 25th of november we meet up at a site yet to be decided sync watches then head to the centre of brigate in leeds. People need to looks like they are going about there general business but be around the right area as soon as it hits 3pm people freeze for 5min and then carry on after the 5 min has gone.

Manchester:
To take place in the centre of Manchester. A flashmob about giving, interacting with strangers and simple kindness, because we don’t have enough of that, right? A massive group of people will assemble and as the clocks strike 12pm, get on their knees, and present to a complete stranger a gift. It could be small and seemingly insignificant - a balloon, or a banana, or a spoon. Or it could be your red Ferrari as you have one lying around, cluttering the drive. Whatever you want. It’s time to put a (bemused) smile on someone’s face! Check out our website at mobtogive.tumblr.com


Theyre simple .. dont need to learn a dance ..

Hey Irish, did it really take you 670 posts to google flash mob?

And...



Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel


Responded to by garinda
Although if you'd gone down the more tradition route, the costs would have been zilch...

Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif

Approach local dance schol. Find out who is good, and perhaps wants to dance as a career. Ask if they'd help video an easy to learn sequence, which would be filmed, after promissing them you'll write a reference, if/when they apply to study dance at college, and perhaps throw in a new pair of leg-warmers.

Make sure details of event, and video showing what people should do at allotted time of flash mob, are sent to every school, youth club, community centre, whoever else might be interested, in the area.

Sit back, and watch it happen.


Responded to by garinda
No fees, no admin. charges, no charge for performance co-ordination.

Nothing required from the public purse at all.


YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel


A great fat zero, and a saving of £1,160.00


;)


That has to be a first, even for an accyweb pedant/troll/spammer....quoting and responding to ones own post..

There's always one...sits at the end of the bar, bores the crap out of everyone, keeps on harping on the same point..over and over and over and over and over and over again.


Why not just use copy/paste and a disclaimer..something along the lines of 'here is yet another post from me in this thread where I am posting the same thing AGAIN but one or two words may be added in yet another vain attempt at humour/wit/sarcasm/irony/name dropping' (delete as appropriate)


Yawn!

Less 11-11-2010 19:58

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860718)
There's one thing it definitely is though.

Costly.

Nah, to quote the fiscal Jaysay, 'it's only two bob', I just don't remember agreeing to spending it last time I voted.
How small was the small print on the candidates agenda?
:confused:

DaveinGermany 11-11-2010 20:08

Re: The value of public funded art
 
I think you may just have fired the opening salvoes there "Guinness". As you are likely to find out very soon ! On firing the gun don't be so surprised at the God awful bang that follows ! ;)

Tealeaf 11-11-2010 20:15

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 860732)
I think you may just have fired the opening salvoes there "Guinness". As you are likely to find out very soon ! On firing the gun don't be so surprised at the God awful bang that follows ! ;)

Looks like we're in for a good cat fight here.

DaveinGermany 11-11-2010 20:22

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 860735)
Looks like we're in for a good cat fight here.

My very thoughts Mr.T'leaf, can't wait ! :D

Think they should start a new thread ? "Battle of the G's !" "The G sport ?" just suggestions mind.

garinda 11-11-2010 20:34

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860724)
Hey Irish, did it really take you 670 posts to google flash mob?

And...



Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel


Responded to by garinda
Although if you'd gone down the more tradition route, the costs would have been zilch...

Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif

Approach local dance schol. Find out who is good, and perhaps wants to dance as a career. Ask if they'd help video an easy to learn sequence, which would be filmed, after promissing them you'll write a reference, if/when they apply to study dance at college, and perhaps throw in a new pair of leg-warmers.

Make sure details of event, and video showing what people should do at allotted time of flash mob, are sent to every school, youth club, community centre, whoever else might be interested, in the area.

Sit back, and watch it happen.


Responded to by garinda
No fees, no admin. charges, no charge for performance co-ordination.

Nothing required from the public purse at all.


YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel


A great fat zero, and a saving of £1,160.00


;)


That has to be a first, even for an accyweb pedant/troll/spammer....quoting and responding to ones own post..

There's always one...sits at the end of the bar, bores the crap out of everyone, keeps on harping on the same point..over and over and over and over and over and over again.


Why not just use copy/paste and a disclaimer..something along the lines of 'here is yet another post from me in this thread where I am posting the same thing AGAIN but one or two words may be added in yet another vain attempt at humour/wit/sarcasm/irony/name dropping' (delete as appropriate)


Yawn!

Being the type of artist that you are, if you too are after funding, rather than local government, the lottery, or the Arts Council, your first port of call should really be at a health clinic.

Good luck.

;)

Less 11-11-2010 20:36

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 860732)
I think you may just have fired the opening salvoes there "Guinness". As you are likely to find out very soon ! On firing the gun don't be so surprised at the God awful bang that follows ! ;)

Take a closer look, Guiness has been a member since 2004 and managed 104 posts, I think I'll stick with Rindy, he posts often and interestingly?
Compare the two? Rindys input helps keeps the site alive for Guiness to criticise.

garinda 11-11-2010 20:43

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 860732)
I think you may just have fired the opening salvoes there "Guinness". As you are likely to find out very soon ! On firing the gun don't be so surprised at the God awful bang that follows ! ;)

Oh I've run rings around that racist, anti-Islamic fool, many times before.

He's hardly worth bothering to respond to.

To use an art analogy.

He's a crocheter, to my Caravaggio.

Read his old posts.

A comic work of art.

Priceless.

:rolleyes:

garinda 11-11-2010 20:50

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 860726)
Nah, to quote the fiscal Jaysay, 'it's only two bob', I just don't remember agreeing to spending it last time I voted.
How small was the small print on the candidates agenda?
:confused:


It'd be interesting as to why we were told, quite clearly, that the flash mob event was 'only' costing a thousand pounds. When it seems there's clear evidence it cost £1,160.00.

A difference of more than just 'two bob'.

It doesn't fill you with confidence, that the true costs will ever become public knowledge.

Thus making it impossible for the public to truly work out the value to them of publicly funded art.

Guinness 11-11-2010 20:53

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 860741)
Take a closer look, Guiness has been a member since 2004 and managed 104 posts, I think I'll stick with Rindy, he posts often and interestingly?
Compare the two? Rindys input helps keeps the site alive for Guiness to criticise.

Yup, you are correct, been around a while, and yeah I'm a lurker.

Recall when you were first asked to join by yr lad and give input on Monte Cristo.....'Less the food critic', yeah I was there when you took your first tentative steps here :P

And yes again, garinda keeps the site alive, but that dont mean he's fire proof and cant be assailed by us lurkers when we think he is wrong.

After all in this thread we have less than 30 voters....does that mean we have only 30 people who are interested in the thread?

Are people only measured by post count? I could answer my own over and over and over and over and over again to get my post count up if you want. In fact I could even answer my own posts too!

garinda 11-11-2010 20:56

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860724)
Hey Irish, did it really take you 670 posts to google flash mob?

And...



Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel


Responded to by garinda
Although if you'd gone down the more tradition route, the costs would have been zilch...

Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif

Approach local dance schol. Find out who is good, and perhaps wants to dance as a career. Ask if they'd help video an easy to learn sequence, which would be filmed, after promissing them you'll write a reference, if/when they apply to study dance at college, and perhaps throw in a new pair of leg-warmers.

Make sure details of event, and video showing what people should do at allotted time of flash mob, are sent to every school, youth club, community centre, whoever else might be interested, in the area.

Sit back, and watch it happen.


Responded to by garinda
No fees, no admin. charges, no charge for performance co-ordination.

Nothing required from the public purse at all.


YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel


A great fat zero, and a saving of £1,160.00


;)


That has to be a first, even for an accyweb pedant/troll/spammer....quoting and responding to ones own post..

There's always one...sits at the end of the bar, bores the crap out of everyone, keeps on harping on the same point..over and over and over and over and over and over again.


Why not just use copy/paste and a disclaimer..something along the lines of 'here is yet another post from me in this thread where I am posting the same thing AGAIN but one or two words may be added in yet another vain attempt at humour/wit/sarcasm/irony/name dropping' (delete as appropriate)


Yawn!

Er..to anyone but a fool, I quoted my own post, to illustrate that I'd already suggested a free way of having a flash mob, via a clip on YouTube, after showing this event had subsequently done the same thing...but at some greater cost to the public purse. My costings equalled zero, not £1,160.00

Pretty colours, in your post, by the way.

Did those nice teachers show you how to do that, when you weren't busy licking the windows?

Very artistic.

Well done you.

:gooddog:

garinda 11-11-2010 20:59

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860745)
Yup, you are correct, been around a while, and yeah I'm a lurker.

Recall when you were first asked to join by yr lad and give input on Monte Cristo.....'Less the food critic', yeah I was there when you took your first tentative steps here :P

And yes again, garinda keeps the site alive, but that dont mean he's fire proof and cant be assailed by us lurkers when we think he is wrong.

After all in this thread we have less than 30 voters....does that mean we have only 30 people who are interested in the thread?

Are people only measured by post count? I could answer my own over and over and over and over and over again to get my post count up if you want. In fact I could even answer my own posts too!

Quality counts over quantity every time.

But you're still bottom of the heap.

;)

Guinness 11-11-2010 21:01

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860742)
Oh I've run rings around that racist, anti-Islamic fool, many times before.

He's hardly worth bothering to respond to.

To use an art analogy.

He's a crocheter, to my Caravaggio.

Read his old posts.

A comic work of art.

Priceless.

:rolleyes:

Do your usual search of previous posts and give me proof of my racist, anti-islamic comments please.

To use a Lancastrian analogy :

What's a caravan got to do with it?

Guinness 11-11-2010 21:04

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 860732)
I think you may just have fired the opening salvoes there "Guinness". As you are likely to find out very soon ! On firing the gun don't be so surprised at the God awful bang that follows ! ;)

Trip, trap on my bridge ;)

Guinness 11-11-2010 21:05

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860747)
Quality counts over quantity every time.

But you're still bottom of the heap.

;)

When in doubt..Insult

Less 11-11-2010 21:05

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Oh Guiness thanks for the memories, unfortunately you are useless for anything else, we've all moved on since then except...

YOU?

garinda 11-11-2010 21:09

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 860738)
My very thoughts Mr.T'leaf, can't wait ! :D

Think they should start a new thread ? "Battle of the G's !" "The G sport ?" just suggestions mind.

It was never destined to be much of a battle.

Certainly not a battle of wits, with equal footing.

As an art form, sadly predictable.

http://freechristimages.org/images_1...ggio_small.jpg

As for the spoils of war.

Anyone tired with boring old sheep's head stew, and fancies an Irish one, for a change?

garinda 11-11-2010 21:13

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860748)
Do your usual search of previous posts and give me proof of my racist, anti-islamic comments please

No.

You can't afford my fee.

Do your own work, or apply for funding.

Anyone bored enough, or in need of a good laugh, can click on your username, and therefore read through your old posts, and can decide on their tone, if not their value, for themselves.

;)

garinda 11-11-2010 21:15

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 860751)
Oh Guiness thanks for the memories, unfortunately you are useless for anything else, we've all moved on since then except...

YOU?

Oh he's good for more than that.

He once told me, under pressure, where his pot of gold was.

I invested it in community art.

garinda 11-11-2010 21:27

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860745)
And yes again, garinda keeps the site alive, but that dont mean he's fire proof and cant be assailed by us lurkers when we think he is wrong.

You are as entitled to believe what is right or wrong, just as anyone else is.

However, whilst I have breath in my body, I will continue to say what I think is right and wrong too.

I think it is very wrong that tax payers' money is squandered on community arts, and that the cost to the public is cloaked in secrecy, when our government quite clearly states that all funding costings for such things should be transparent.

Lurk away if you will, but if you're bored, stop reading, because my lungs are full, and it's unlikely I'm about to draw my last breath anytime soon.

;)

shillelagh 11-11-2010 21:28

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860724)
Hey Irish, did it really take you 670 posts to google flash mob?

And...


Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel

Responded to by garinda
Although if you'd gone down the more tradition route, the costs would have been zilch...

Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Approach local dance schol. Find out who is good, and perhaps wants to dance as a career. Ask if they'd help video an easy to learn sequence, which would be filmed, after promissing them you'll write a reference, if/when they apply to study dance at college, and perhaps throw in a new pair of leg-warmers.

Make sure details of event, and video showing what people should do at allotted time of flash mob, are sent to every school, youth club, community centre, whoever else might be interested, in the area.

Sit back, and watch it happen.

Responded to by garinda
No fees, no admin. charges, no charge for performance co-ordination.

Nothing required from the public purse at all.

YouTube - civicartscentre's Channel

A great fat zero, and a saving of £1,160.00

;)

That has to be a first, even for an accyweb pedant/troll/spammer....quoting and responding to ones own post..

There's always one...sits at the end of the bar, bores the crap out of everyone, keeps on harping on the same point..over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Why not just use copy/paste and a disclaimer..something along the lines of 'here is yet another post from me in this thread where I am posting the same thing AGAIN but one or two words may be added in yet another vain attempt at humour/wit/sarcasm/irony/name dropping' (delete as appropriate)

who you calling irish ... im a proud lancashire lass ....


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