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That's all very well but couldn't we all just have triple Tesco Club Card Points.:hehetable

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My maths aren't 'a bit off'.

Check again.

I was referring to the normal fees she charges, as quoted on her website.

To earn a thousand quid, at her normal rate, without the generous intervention of a local government subsidy form Hyndburn B.C., she'd have to teach 333 people, at £3.00 per half hour class, to earn the equivalent amount of £1,000.00.

;)

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...and perhaps not exactly cutting edge, certainly as an 'art' form?

Once somethings been used to flog mobile phones on the telly, I think we can already label it a bit naff, in the context of an artistic movement.

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Gayle, I really admire the way you keep responding to all these negative posts, it must be a little depressing to get so little support. However don't you think perhaps these projects are ASKING for these responses or do you perhaps feel they do not represent the general opinions of the people of Hyndburn?
By the way, can you tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the London 'Cultural Olympics' will be?

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"However don't you think perhaps these projects are ASKING for these responses"

This is what we have been trying to tell her since before the whole Panopticon fiasco, Gordon.

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...and just because some company in Manchester is hioping to charge some daft sap ten thousand quid to organise a flash mob, doesn't equate to the value of what this is costing us.

I believe you can pick up a working girl for ten quid in Clayton Street in Blackburn, yet footballers are having to pay £10,000.00 in Manchester, for pretty much the same thing, just dressed up a little differently.

;)

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"doesn't equate to the value of what this is costing us."

Nor indeed the value of the 'performance' to the economy of the town centre.

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I'm yet to hear any positive feedback, regarding these state funded community art projects.

Most people I've come into contact with are very angry their taxes are being spent on it.

Especially with the terrible state of our economy, and the savage cuts we're facing.

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Not to post on here, but in her capacity, of which I'm still a little unsure as to what it is, as creative director of the Civic arts centre, she is employed by H.B.C., and receives, if I correctly recall from her post on here, a salary of £20,000.00.

Perhaps not a fortune on a national scale, but more income than many families here in Hyndburn, who are struggling to put food on the table...and pay their council tax bills, which fund these projects.

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I was taught to dance by my Mother, by paying for lessons - out of my own pocket, and by a fantastic GF who still loves to dance. The taxpayer or the council did not contribute one penny.
Gayle, you must realise by now that the great majority do not agree with publicly funded "art" of any form. Don't dig the hole any deeper.

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To a point I agree.

She's doing a sterling job.

It's not easy, defending the indefensible.

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Garinda, the problem with a lot of people in the 'Arts'(and a lot of teachers I found) is that their connection with the real world is a little tenuous. They live in a parallel universe and feel they have a sacred duty to show us ordinary mortals the 'way'.
Has Hyndburn ever been asked what art it wants? I think the first requirement would be FREE.

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Remembering your background, Garinda, I MUST OF COURSE say you appear to be the exception that proves the rule.

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Your maths assume that each person is only getting one half-hour long lesson.

However

She is teaching 200 people - divided into 6 groups. Each of those six groups is getting six hour long lessons.
@ £3 per half hour (so £6 per hour)

200 people x 6 lessons each x £6 per lesson = £7,200

;)

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I, like Acrylic-bob, love art, and both studied it, as an academic subject to degree level.

As well as an art lover, I'm also a realist when it comes to the economic harshness of the world, beyond the confines of the ivory towers of academia.

If no one wants to buy what you're producing, don't rely on the tax payer to fund your ambitions.

I will not be changing my mind on the value for money, or artistic merit, that artifically subsidised, state funded, art projects produce.

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Well I've trawled through this thread and the consensus is where the money comes from, well looking at it logical, irrespective of whether its from HBC, LCC, HMG, EU or even the bloody tooth fair, it originates from our pockets, councils and governments don't have money, they just look after it for the people;)

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And from my point of view John, they aren't doing such a crash hot job of it.

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I'm assuming nothing.

I'm going by the normal fees she quotes on her own website.

Ordinarily, she'd teach 333 people, at £3.00 per half hour, as priced on her website, to earn £1,000.00, (actually it's £999.00).

It ain't rocket science.

It's very straightforward.

If you're trying to suggest her £1,000.00 fee is a bargain, you're barking...up the wrong tree.

So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?

If not, would we be allowed to know what the costs are, so we can better decide the events worth and value?

Please could the figures be kept in the public domain, since it's a public forum, even though I appreciate the answers sent privately to me?

It's of interest to us all, not just myself.

;)

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As far as the arts are concerned they never have or ever will in my eyes Margaret:rolleyes:

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Since all publicity is good publicity, apparently, I'll waive my normal fee, for my help in promoting the event.

;)

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Besides how she'd ordinarily have to earn £1,000.00, since we now know how many dancers she's taught the flash mob dance to, where did the recruit of the 200 take place, and where were they taught? Did her fee cover all the costs involved, studio space etc?

I don't remember seeing the lessons being advertised, virally or not.

Perhaps I just missed it, as I also missed seeing the role of creative director of arts in Hyndburn, ever being advertised, as is the norm.

:rolleyes:

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Can I have those cream cakes then:D

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Do you know something we don't?

Is that the next community arts project?

Living off the Cream.

Have you any dates, or more information for us?

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Thought cream cakes were your fee:D

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Cakes are for selling.

Unsold bread and jam is for eating, when you're Master Bun the baker's son.

As for fees, I worked for money, that people thought I was worth.

;)

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There you go, can I have the cream cakes then:D

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Has the music been decided on yet, for the Victorian Swimming Gala?

If not, may I suggest a nice, traditional hymn?


YouTube - Nearer My God To Thee

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The only cream cakes I saw, were the ones I saw for sale, as I squashed my face against the shop window.

So tuck in.

;)

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I'm not having that I bet you were a real rascal when you were young, all those lovely cakes:D

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But she's not teaching 333 people for just half an hour. She's teaching 200 people for six hours. Which would cost £7,200.

No other costs.

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I recruited the groups. In order to get large groups of people involved, community groups that work with young people and schools were invited to put forward groups who might like to be involved.

Teaching is done at community venues i.e. Arts Centre, New Era, Clayton Youth Club and at the schools involved.

My role has evolved from the role that I applied for three years ago. The job was advertised three years ago and I applied and got it. I have been through this conversation with you before and explained quite clearly how I got the job. It was always intended, and was clearly in my contract from day one, that as the job evolved my role would take over the running of the Arts Centre once building was complete.

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If they want to learn to dance let them pay for it like I did out of my paper round money instead of freeloading and providing you with - what should we call it? Satisfaction? salary? self gratification? or just abuse from the majority of people that have responded to this thread, in which case you must be in serious danger of becoming a serial masochist.

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One of the reasons why I try to get the funding that I get is so that things can be FREE.

But everything costs - how could the Haworth Art Gallery stay open? It needs money to pay wages, have heating and lighting and to host exhibitions. It is free for the public to enter and see the artworks within but it is not free to run. There would be absolute outrage if the council tried to sell off all the Tiffany glass and close the place. So the council must maintain it and keep it open.

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Yes.

All I'm pointing out that in her life AWAY from the world of subsidised art grants, and according to the fees quoted on her own website, she'd have to teach 333 people, paying £3.00 each for a half hour class, to earn the equivalent fee she's being paid by whoever, to teach however many people this flash mob dance.

Nice work, if you can get it.

So we are being informed the total costs for producing this flash mob event is just the dance teacher's £1,000.00, and there are no other costs involved, rehearsal spaces etc, she's covering those?

Well that's some small mercy, even if the most successful of these type of happenings cost nowt, and especially not a penny to tax payer.

What funds have been awarded to the Victorian Swimming Gala? Again to help us ponder the worth and value of state funded community arts, and whilst we are discussing money.

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That is a disgusting post, Barrie. :mad:

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Yes you did, again privately, even though the question as to your role was raised publicly, and it really should be a matter open to public scrutiny, if someone's being paid from the public purse.

Ther above post is not quiet how I remember your private answer to me, at the time.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I was under the impression you'd told me the role was created for you, and that was as creative director for the arts centre, and if you hadn't canvassed those in power for the position, the arts in Hyndburn would be unsupported, and under represented.

I may be wrong, but I do have a very good memory. I'm also a terrible house keeper, so I've probably still have your explanation, and I could have a nose about, and see if I'm mistaken.

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Why, because it's his opinion, and not one you share?

Care to elaborate as to why it's 'disgusting'?

I'd never use that word, or hate, unless I really meant it.

It genuinely disgusts me that our money is being squandered on piffling charades, masquarading under the umberella of 'community arts', whilst at the same time, living in a society in which people die, because the N.H.S. say they haven't the funds to provide life saving treatments.

That truly disgusts me.

(Don't bother loking for a smiley to show how angry that makes me. There isn't one!)

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You get funds that are soley provided by companies like Camelot, and as I sais earlier, you want hear a peep out of me.

More power to you.

When tax payers' money is being used, the public have the right to give their opinions, especially in a thread such as this, which asks people if they think such things are 'valuable'.

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They can't flog off the Tiffany glass, or ship it's care to Preston, even though it was confirmed (by Graham Jones) the council did look into the idea.

The present councillors we have, God love 'em, are merely acting as custodians of the collection, bequeathed to the people of the town of Accrington.

Happily there's enough binding covenants to ensure that the collections still here, when they are sadly not.

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It was all very public if I remember correctly.

I did help to create the role and I had lobbied for it. No one else was doing the Arts role and I got some lottery funding to help establish it. However, I did also have to apply for the job and it was advertised so if anyone better had shown up then presumably I'd have not got the job. It was all perfectly above board and in future, if I decide to step down, I shall make sure that you are sent a copy of the job advertisment, just in case you miss it again.

So please don't try to make out that I'm a liar, which is what you're clearly trying to do. If there is one thing that I try to do above all it's answer your posts as honestly as I can. I can't think of anyone else who is prepared to do this and put themselves under so much scrutiny but for some misguided reason, I actually believe that it's important that this discussion is held in the public arena. If you want me to shut up and go away then I'd be quite happy to.

And don't worry, I won't tell you anything else privately in future.

Oh, and if you're worried about the public purse paying my wage for much longer, it won't. As from the end of March the only way that I will get paid is if the Arts Centre is making a profit and there is enough to pay me. So, yes, I will be chasing every single bit of funding that is out there in order to earn a living.

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It appears the general consensus is that the money could've been used to better effect had a different approach been used. May I suggest that for future ventures, you (Gayle) put your ideas forward here on the site so you can get a better feel for the attitude to your intentions thereby mitigating any backlash in advance.

What has been shown with this thread is that what yourself & others who move in the same circles view as feasible is seen differently by other folk. So hopefully with a broader input a better result may be achieved a genuine take from all ports & should it not work out, well you couldn't be held solely responsible as others have stuck their 2 'pennoth worth in. Just a suggestion to ease things a little :)

But what do I know, I'm a cultural pygmy. :o

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I'll say again, for the third time, if you really want to know Joe Public's feelings on the value of these state funded arts, let the people have their say, in a simple poll.

I'd feel it was churlish of me to start my own, even though I too would find the results interesting, and especially now we have this thread, which deals with the same subject.

You could decide on the wording, so there'd be no accusations of any bias.

It's been done before, adding a poll to an esisting thread. You just need to ask a moderator to do it.

I'm sure you've nothing to lose.

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I wouldn't be so rude as to call you a liar. For one thing, I know you aren't.

I was merely posting what I recalled from the private answer you gave, regarding your role, when it was questioned on this forum, in public.

If you're going to use public forums to promote these art projrects, and start threads asking what people think of their worth, then the public have a right to know the cost to the public purse.

I'd be more than happy if you now decide only to reply to open questions publicly. Rather than privately, only to me. As you did once again today, when asked about the costs for the flash mob event.

Replying privately, to publicly asked questions, to some could look a bit iffy. Like there was something clandestine about it all, and the ordinary public wouldn't be able to grasp it.

It's good to be transparent.

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Relatively few, of the many posts I've made, are about the artistic value of these projects.

They are about the use of tax payers' money to fund them.

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Good. I think that's great news, and I genuinely wish you every success.

As I have before, regarding the Civic arts centre.

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Nail on the head, this is getting ridiculous gayle, anyone that knows ya or of ya knows yer n honest lass, who works damned hard in yer vocation, no matter what money is designated in what area, many find it unpalatable that tax payers money goes in that area in these times, simple as, aint rocket science.

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All this fuss about two bobs worth of tax payers money being spent on these projects, yet not a word was said when Blair and Brown were throwing billions of the same Tax Payers money about like confetti

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Here we go again, and you call me for chiding Britcliffe all the time.

I'll quite happily say that mistakes were made by Labour, just the same as mistake are made by ALL governments. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't excuse them but if subsequent governments don't learn from the mistakes of the past then they're no better.

Politicians are quite keen to get into power and the thought of being voted out isn't a very happy one (I'll include myself in that number because there's going to come a day when I lose my seat and it won't be very nice, if I don't step down). However, if you clamour for control of government and get it don't blame everything you do as being the fault of your predecessor!

Neither HBC or Westminster are being held to ransom by Labour. They have control, it's up to them to make the decisions. I'll state this yet again:

NO ONE IS FORCING THE HYNDBURN TORIES TO SPEND OUR MONEY LIKE THIS.

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Seems the records stuck again.:tongueout

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Ya I've borrowed Mossy's:D

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Wrong.

There have been plenty of threads about other ways government, both national and local, have wasted tax payers' money, and there are many threads I've posted in, voicing my opinion. This thread is specific to the funding of publicly funded art.

'Two bob'?

I'd hardly call many thousands of pounds that, but as you've mentioned it, every penny paid in tax is hard earned, and I was always taught, if you look after the pennies, or two bob, the pounds look after themselves.

Perhaps if this was the case we wouldn't be living in a society which denies life saving treatments to children, because there aren't enough funds in our health care system to pay for them.

This thread isn't about party politics, it's about whether we value the worth of publicly funded art projects.

I, and it seems many others, don't.

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We now know that the flash mob dance will cost £1,000.00 to produce.

I'll ask again.

Does anyone know how much funding has been allocated to produce the Victorian Swimming Gala event on Broadway?

I'm guessing it might not be 'two bob'.

Again, if the public know the monetary costs involved, it will help them decide, when trying to evaluate these events true worth to the community.

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Hyndburn arts scheme spends £2,500 on crochet sculpture (From Lancashire Telegraph)
Looks like the Telegraph have been scanning this thread:rolleyes:

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It is easy to criticise. Moreso when you know that tomorrow you will not have to go into work carrying with you the burden of that criticism. But the true art of criticism, and there is an art to it, lies in not only pointing out what is wrong, but also in suggesting a means by which the failing might be corrected. This is commonly referred to as 'constructive' criticism, for the simple reason that it's main aim is not solely to destroy but to restore to right order.

We have given freely of our opinion of the worth and value of the three community arts projects that Gayle has brought into the borough. If I were in Gayle's shoes I rather fancy that I would now be wondering which way to turn next.

As Gayle pointed out earlier in the thread, Hyndburn is a bit behind the rest of the country in seeking and securing funding from the National Lottery. If we do not like the projects that have been chosen for us then surely it is incumbent on us now to offer some constructive suggestions regarding what might be acceptable.

I'll start the ball rolling shall I?.

If you want to attract people into the town, it srikes me that you have to provide something that would make them really want to get in the car or get on a bus to come and see. And the only thing that get's Mr & Mrs Joe Bloggs and their bloglings off the sofa is spectacle. Strangely enough people really enjoy the sensation of having their socks blown off and this has been true of people throughout recorded history. The Egyptians knew this and so did the Romans, The renaissance princes made a political competition out of it and the church took to it like a duck to water. Louis xiv of France was a master at it and dear old Prince Albert had to drag us brits kicking and screaming into the Great Exhibition, but didn't we love it when we got there? Clearly in these straightened times HBC cannot afford to fund 'Spectacle', (it couldn't even when times were good but that is another argument) but the Lottery can!

Part of the criticism in this thread is due to the fact that a couple of idiots in fancy dress arsing about on broadway is actually more of an embarassment than a positive draw, A thousand idiots in fancy dress arsing about on Broadway on the other hand would make the national press. Similarly, a crocheted sculpture in the Market Hall is merely a bit of knotted wool, a teacosy to cover the Town Hall, by comparison... well, you get my drift?

Blackpool has for the last couple of years played host to an International Fireworks Competition, lasting a month. The crowds this event attracted had to be seen to be believed.
Haye-on -Wye decided to hold an annual literature festival, the book trade there is thriving all year round.

Accrington Town Hall is an underutilised gift to us from our Victorian forebears, as is the Market Hall and The Haworth. We have Parks and Playing fields aplenty and an enormous hill overlooking the town. We have a proud industrial past (which hardly anyone knows about) and quite a few living well known Accringtonians currently working in various fields within the Arts. It would be surprising to see what a few well aimed begging letters might achieve.

We have most of the physical requirements to put Accrington very firmly on the cultural map, We just need a bit of cash, a bit of vision and a bit of courage.


oh, and a lot of bare faced cheek!

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Barrie Yates on another thread, has reminded me of the approach of Remembrance Day. We go on and on about how much we respect the sacrifice of the pals and our other war dead but what do we really do to preserve the memory of their sacrifice, apart from gradually dwindling processions once a year? With our history we should be leading the nation on Remembrance Day and the ceremony in Whitehall should be a side show by comparison.

All these facets of our collective history can and must be used to help the town.

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A lot of bare faced cheek Bob, hell that's one thing there is in abundance in Hyndburn:rolleyes:

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Wow! Please Bob don't pass me the White feather, to paraphrase a famous quote, "ask not what Hyndburn Council can do for you, ask what you can do for Hynburn Council".
WHERE DO I SIGN?
:)

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I'll send Mossy round in the morning err um Afternoon:D

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Hyndburn does have the food festival run by Hyndburn Leisure, which does attract 100's of visitors.

As to the Firework Competition in Blackpool ... you have to remember this coincides with the Illuminations and probably 5 displays over the month. I don't think that if it were standing alone at a different time of year would have the same interest, except with locals nipping down to the Central Pier to view. It does, also, start around 7.30 > 8.30 p.m. and persuading market stall holders to stay open until after this time could be extremely difficult.. although some shops do remain open a little later for our Christmas lights ceremony.

Suppose, like the Romans, we could always build an arena and throw a few councillors to the lions ... that would attract... :D

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Have a butchers at this....!

Hebden Bridge Arts Festival


If they can do that, what couldn't we do??

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And then there is this....

salisbury international arts festival Home

Salisbury, the city, has a population of 50,000. (if you include the surrounding areas that rises to 115,000)

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I do agree with you about Hebden Bridge .. have visited there myself in the last two months, and this little town is always heaving, but due to its quaintness and a sort of arts/crafts reputation they have built up, and the centre for walkers and hikers. It is a tourist town to begin with and suspect this is their main income.

I was rather impressed by a little cafe by the canal that also had Pottery Painting classes in there ... was lovely to see people painting pottery amongst the diners.

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I would like to express my opinion on other points raised in this thread, but my little brain can only deal with one thing at a time.

Yes, I do believe in the Government funding arts .. have to look at the well-being of all aspects of our citizens, and suspect the budget is small compared with other services. Art is subjective and will always prompt criticism from many quarters ... but think there is a wide variation to suit all tastes. We have to have a little bit of colour in our life too.

I also don't object to talented people receiving free art/dancing/drama lessons either. Technics have to be learnt no matter what talent you possess. Some people discover their talent later in life and not obtainable to them through school/college.

You A-B hinted that this money should be spent more on encouraging manufacturing industries, and Garinda, a poor little lass with some terrible illness. That, I find, is rather unfair and below the belt.

I am sure all is being done by the council to invite entrepeneurs to our town.. but where would they shop ? Yes, the supermarkets .. would still need something to attract them to the centre.

As to Garinda's point, again I feel that all is being done for this little girl to help her with her illness .. but suspect medical science has come to a standstill on this one and no matter what monies was offered to help wouldn't have any effect.

I suspect that both you and Garinda both attended University to gain your degrees in Art at a time when grants were issued and not loans, so you, yourself, was taught your knowledge of painting on the backs of us tax payers.

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Katex:"I suspect that both you and Garinda both attended University to gain your degrees in Art at a time when grants were issued and not loans, so you, yourself, was taught your knowledge of painting on the backs of us tax payers."

You are correct in your suspicions, both Garinda and myself did benefit from state subsidised education and we are both very grateful for the opportunity.
But our parents all paid tax and rates, I also worked and paid tax for eight years before going back into full time education, but that was how it was done then. I can't speak for Garinda, but I received a total grant of £1500 for the whole three years.

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The family of the 'little lass' has been told there are no funds available for a treatment in this country. This will probably result in her death, in a few, short years.

What you 'feel' is being done in this particular case, isn't. Fact.

There is a treatment available, too expensive to fund here, and only available in the U.S.

The merits aside, and where the funding comes from for community art projects, living in a society that denies a child life saving treatment, when medical science has devloped one, but it isn't available due to lack of funds, sickens, and DISGUSTS me.

This thead has funds in the title.

How, and where those funds, raised through taxation, are spent in this country, is open for discussion. Though throughout the ages, historically the art forms that have been most critically acclaimed, have resulted under private patronage, rather than state funding.

Anyone idea how much funding the swimmers are being paid, for the Victorian Swimming Gala?

Talking of art, and money.

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One of my inital comments was that we do have a state funded art education system, for those with talent to hone their skills.

After leaving that ivory tower, how long should the state fund an artist, if no one else is prepared to pay for whatever it is they are producing?

A supporter on here called it a 'cushion'.

How long should the tax payer fund them sitting on that cushion, before they get off their backside, and seek a job doing something that someone is prepared to pay for?

Five? Ten years? A life time?

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Five? Ten years? A life time?

How long can we support useless projects before it's too late to give this much needed money for apprenticeships in proper jobs?

Do we just do this because it costs less than making real jobs?

I think we do!
:mad:

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I still think it unfair to say that this money could be spent better on this and that. It has been said that the Market Hall should have been left as it was .... well, yes, cold, dark and miserable.

Ok ... firstly, the Flash Mob. Cost £1,000.

It has given 200 people, of all ages ...suspect a lot of younger people though, certainly many teenagers coming through the Arts Centre door one night I was there, the opportunity to learn a little about the art of dance movements and form a great camaraderie and possibly lead on this initial interest to better things within the world of dance. That is one good reason for this project.

It is fun and bringing it into the town centre can only brighten up the lives of many shoppers if only for a short while and will put a smile on their faces. Happy people will shop better. The centre has to be promoted as a fun place to be initially.

I just hope that eventually a new state of the art bus station will be built to welcome any visitors, and that Peel Street can be turned into a lovely square where events can be held regularly ... takes time to build up what you all think we have lost. We didn't lose anything .... just the addition of Supermarkets. Would be great to think that after shoppers have filled up their boots with Tesco branded goods, then they may just think "Oh, there is a theatre company enacting Victorian swimming, let's just pop down and see it" Maybe, they will spend the few extra bob there that they have left over.

Next ....

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It isn't 'unfair' in my opinion, to question where our taxes are spent in society, and on what.

As for 'happy people shop better'.

I think people 'shop better' when they've still got some spare money left in their purse, after paying bills...and taxes.

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Are you still beating that drum ? :D

Did it not die a death with the bus lane the other day ?

There's a big square in Broadway, move the chavs and use that ;)

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They can take a stroll along Blackburn Road and see if the £1 a pint offer's still on at The Calder.:rolleyes:

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Is it open ? It was evacuated yesterday

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Sadly I don't think there are many apprenticeship schemes, now we are mainly an airy-fairy service industry nation.

Though there may be some in crocheting.

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Did they run out of cheap ale?

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The film's a roaring success!

Now everyone knows who has the cheapest ale.

Soon they'll come from miles around, leading their dogs on bits of string.

Accy, alky capital of the northwest.

:D

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Change those realism specs, for some rose tinted ones.

They're only a pound on Broadway.

Everything looks great.

It's like being in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

;)

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A new bus station which in turn opens up other possibilities for Peel St, could still act as a catalyst in re-energizing the Town Centre in my view

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I somehow think you could get them cheaper from our tourism centre, after all whenever I want a blue or White recycling sack that is the place I and our American Cousans flock to!:)

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As did mine A-B and probably people who are getting Arts' lessons free. ! £1,500 (£500 per year) would be a decent amount then. Sorry, don't really know how old you are, but think ? .. no better not... :D

Would be interesting to know what benefit you have given back to our community for this privilege outlay.

Know Garinda did produce expensive shirts for the wealthy.

It is the less well off in our society that do shop in town to visit the pound and charity shops. We need to attract the better off that can afford to shop at the Supermarkets.

Crocheting I would put more under the category of skill rather than art, although it becomes an art when it is used to crochet items which cannot be used for clothing or table cloths. A skill that was passed from mother to daughter intertwining yarns to give poorer people the opportunity to have lovely garments too expensive in the shops. Surely not a bad thing with the shortage of disposable income these days.

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all of these 'gimmicky' things do nothing but make us look like yokels......who can be diverted with such irrelevancies, when there are more serious things we should be concentrating on. Broadway is a dump with a surface that cost god knows how much, is coming off in places,is grubby......and a certain someone thought was good value for money.
Somewhere along the way we have got our priorities mixed up. Liked I said earlier, you don't go to the pictures when you have rent to pay and bread to buy.

Kate if young folk want to learn how to dance, then I am sure there are the places where they could learn this skill...at a reasonable price.
I will certainly be avoiding the town centre when these 'events' are put on...and I think that many of my generation will probably do the same.....when I go shopping, that is what I want to do...shop, not avoid dancing 'flashmobs'

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In what way ?

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The Council must regret the demise of the 'Ossy Cloggers', they didn't have 'backing', their funding came from the children dancing their little legs away whilst parents went around with a bucket, many times at the drop of a floppy hat would they turn up at the Councils request to entertain and amuse the passer bye.
What do we have now Kate? and at whose expense?

If only the Council had made sure those talented folk would keep going instead of the dross we now experience at great expense.
:mad:

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A li'l dolly?

A pretty egg cosy?

A bleedin' caterpillar?

Do they become crocheted art pieces?

What's the weather like, as well as the art, in Cloud Cuckoo Land?

(Rather than bore everyone else, I'll happily supply my full c.v. if you p.m me, as you obviously know so very little.)

;)

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Still no news on the cost of funding the Victorian Swimming Gala?

People need to know, so they can better decide 'the value of public funded art'?

Not a state secret, surely?

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Agree Less, would have been great if they had received funding ...didn't know they had gone, sorry, don't know the story on this. Is there anything we can do to resurrect them ?

Can't agree re. the dross though .. have to take modern with the heritage.

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Yes, I agree, at least the clog dancers were in keeping with the regional heritage of the area.

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I don't agree that we have to take 'flash mob' dancing as a version of modern heritage.
Modern it might be, but it really has nothing at all to do with the area, and it certainly isn't art.

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Not all were 'wealthy'.

Some people would save for an absolute age, because they valued what was offered.

Strange concepts for some.

Economics.

Commerce.

Reality.

Especially by 'artists' who rely on state handouts for their income.

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Having been brought up to be Cloggers by her Mother, the Lass that carried the flag finally got fed up of continually being in debt, (who can blame her, my family and many others paid for other peoples enjoyment), closed the cloggers down some 5 or 6 years ago, nothing on Broadway has ever reached the standard those youngsters gave to the community.
£1,000 for a mediocre dance? She and those Cloggers gave their all for nothing but smiles on strangers faces.
My daughter loved it, my son wasn't so amused, he would rather have gone to Railway exhibitions.:D

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Crochet - China, fourth century B.C.

Maps? try Babylon, about 2300 B.C.

Drawings that move, as if by magic? Ask Steamboat Willie.

Victorians Swimming? Well you can probably still see that, if you visit Frinton-on-Sea.

;)

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Blooming hek Garinda .. were you a Rottweiler in some past life... sure Gayle will be back to give you the exact figures.

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Ahhh! but will she P.M. him or take a short cut and just put it on site?

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Can't have 'modern' heritage Margaret ... :confused:

Dancing is not an art then ? Always thought it was. :confused:

Gotta' move on ya' know. These events don't have to be linked with our heritage .... that is not what it is all about.

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Doesn't have to be anyone person.

I'm sure there must be others who know the funding costs.

Perhaps the Victorian who throws the lfe belt, to those in peril, who swim down Broadway?

The Victorian with a bucket, who follows the donkeys through Accrington?

:D

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Flash mob events could have been described as modern ten years ago.

Now it's all a bit corporate, and naff.

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Could you with all your insight please explain WHAT it is all about for us 'Thicko's'?
:)

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In YOUR opinion. Again subjective.

I am just impressed by the way young people have joined in this project ... they can relate to this, and are our shoppers of the future.

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Where will they shop?

Tesco? only a spit from were the Market Hall will have been.
:mad:

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Please do not put the fact that my opinion is describing anyone else as 'Thicko's' ... that is spin and attempting to put me in a bad light.

As far as I can see, it is all about marketing and an attempt to give the centre a feel good factor and fun instead of the supermarket aisles.