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garinda 11-11-2010 21:29

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 860759)
who you calling irish ... im a proud lancashire lass ....

Told you.

;)

Guinness 11-11-2010 21:35

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 860759)
who you calling irish ... im a proud lancashire lass ....

say it often enough :)

shillelagh 11-11-2010 21:39

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i dont need to ...

Guinness 11-11-2010 21:40

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 860753)
No.

You can't afford my fee.

Do your own work, or apply for funding.

Anyone bored enough, or in need of a good laugh, can click on your username, and therefore read through your old posts, and can decide on their tone, if not their value, for themselves.

;)

Currently playing you at your own game motormouth..please prove your argument or should britcliffe et al..quote garinda et al in legal argument

garinda 11-11-2010 22:40

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 860770)
Currently playing you at your own game motormouth..please prove your argument or should britcliffe et al..quote garinda et al in legal argument

No one has mentioned Cllr. Britcliffe in this thread, until you've just done so.

Care to share your surrealist musings, and what on earth they mean, with the rest of us, in relation to this thread's subject?

Which in case you didn't know, is 'the value of publicly funded art'.

;)

lancsdave 20-11-2010 18:55

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Did anybody see the Flashers today ?

garinda 20-11-2010 19:03

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 863043)
Did anybody see the Flashers today ?

No.

There were tons of people milling about at 1.10pm on Broadway, icluding a guy with a music deck.

Didn't really work as a flash mob, because the mob were already stood around. So not much flash, as in appear, then disappear.

Was going to watch it, but on telling the person I was with, how much it had cost us, was dragged off to Over Coffee for lunch. Long conversation about how they are supposed to cost nothing to stage.

Happily it was good weather for them though.

cashman 20-11-2010 20:00

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 863051)
No.

There were tons of people milling about at 1.10pm on Broadway, icluding a guy with a music deck.

Didn't really work as a flash mob, because the mob were already stood around. So not much flash, as in appear, then disappear.

Was going to watch it, but on telling the person I was with, how much it had cost us, was dragged off to Over Coffee for lunch. Long conversation about how they are supposed to cost nothing to stage.

Happily it was good weather for them though.

Well tell us how much it cost cos the organisers dont seem to be very forthcoming.:D

garinda 20-11-2010 20:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 863086)
Well tell us how much it cost cos the organisers dont seem to be very forthcoming.:D

Even though when asked earlier in the thread, if it had 'only' cost a thousand punds, no other costs, and Gayle replied that it had, according to this, the actual costs seem to have been £1,160.00.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...3MryeQYUx-rK8g


Total budget is £1,160 and is broken down as follows

Dance prep time x 1 day
£100
9 groups @ £15 per hour
£810
Performance co-ordination
£100
Admin
£150

Less 20-11-2010 20:25

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 863094)

Admin
£150

What or whom is admin?

Why should he/she/it be worthy of £150?

garinda 20-11-2010 21:55

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 863100)
What or whom is admin?

Why should he/she/it be worthy of £150?

Goodness knows.

The true, and actual costs of these 'community art' events may never be made fully known to those who have funded them, i.e. the tax payers.

It doesn't fill you with much confidence, when in reply to my earlier question...

'So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?'

The answer in reply was...

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 856527)

No other costs.

Which does seem rather at odds with the breakdown, and total cost of £1,160.00, as evidenced on the the offical artist's brief documents.

It's about as transparent as mud.

Still, only a week to go to the Victorian Swimming (down Broadway) Gala.
The costs of which are to remain a secret...so we won't prejudge the event's artistic merit.

:rolleyes:

garinda 20-11-2010 22:00

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 863100)
What or whom is admin?

Why should he/she/it be worthy of £150?

Anyway, let's leave all this nasty talk of money and funding, and where it came from.

Back to art.

Here's another pretty little picture.

shillelagh 20-11-2010 22:29

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i forgot about it :o... was going to go down wi the camera .. but i had a better offer .. i went to Bangor instead ... and saw my not so little nephew ..:D:D:D

garinda 20-11-2010 22:36

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 863130)
i forgot about it :o... was going to go down wi the camera .. but i had a better offer .. i went to Bangor instead ... and saw my not so little nephew ..:D:D:D

If the whole thing hadn't been so witless, they could have had Accy's own entertainment king make a come back.

(For next to nothing.)

:rolleyes::D


YouTube - The Accrington Michael Jackson - Part One

garinda 20-11-2010 22:42

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 863043)
Did anybody see the Flashers today ?



No film from people's mobiles, YouTube, Facebook, or anything on the internet yet.

Unless it hits east coast America by the time they start work Monday morning, the chance of it going virally worldwide are diminished.

katex 20-11-2010 23:00

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 863043)
Did anybody see the Flashers today ?

Yep ... :p

jaysay 21-11-2010 08:42

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 863043)
Did anybody see the Flashers today ?

Well saw a bloke walking down Merlin Drive this aft with a long brown raincoat on and his hands in if pockets, looked iffy to me:D

Less 21-11-2010 08:57

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 863137)
No film from people's mobiles, YouTube, Facebook, or anything on the internet yet.

Unless it hits east coast America by the time they start work Monday morning, the chance of it going virally worldwide are diminished.

If you would like to re-enact the flash dance at some later accyweb meet, you can learn the steps here:-

YouTube - Accrington flash dance

Though to be effective I think you should be heavily pregnant.

Neil 23-11-2010 06:57

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 863179)
Though to be effective I think you should be heavily pregnant.

How long is it since you saw someone heavily pregnant? She has a while to go yet looking at her. Not sure why that is even relative though.

Eric 23-11-2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 863123)
Anyway, let's leave all this nasty talk of money and funding, and where it came from.

Back to art.

Here's another pretty little picture.

That picture sure brings back memories.:)

Gayle 26-11-2010 09:49

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I might as well put this information on here, as it's been discussed on this thread often enough.

The Victorian Swimming Gala is being postponed due to the weather. Even though it looks fine today, we took the decision a few days ago that the frost (and possibly snow) would make it hazardous.

We will now be doing it in Spring some time, date to be confirmed.

jaysay 26-11-2010 10:14

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 864556)
I might as well put this information on here, as it's been discussed on this thread often enough.

The Victorian Swimming Gala is being postponed due to the weather. Even though it looks fine today, we took the decision a few days ago that the frost (and possibly snow) would make it hazardous.

We will now be doing it in Spring some time, date to be confirmed.

Ya save um breaking the ice before they jump in:rolleyes:

Barrie Yates 26-11-2010 10:58

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 864566)
Ya save um breaking the ice before they jump in:rolleyes:

Any saving will probably be overtaken by inflation and the actual cost(which we don't yet know) will rise;);):D

Less 26-11-2010 16:01

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 863616)
Mot sure why that is even relative though.

Not sure why your bitching about my bitchy comment?
Your following me around like a lovestruck teenager.

Barrie Yates 26-11-2010 16:41

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 864638)
Not sure why your bitching about my bitchy comment?
Your following me around like a lovestruck teenager.

Backs against the wall Less;);):D

Benipete 26-11-2010 16:50

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Nothing like a bit of forward planning.:confused:

Was it.:hidewall::D:D

Neil 26-11-2010 20:23

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 864638)
Not sure why your bitching about my bitchy comment?
Your following me around like a lovestruck teenager.

That cos I luv you uncle Less :p:D

garinda 10-12-2010 23:56

Re: The value of public funded art
 
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 864556)
I might as well put this information on here, as it's been discussed on this thread often enough.

The Victorian Swimming Gala is being postponed due to the weather. Even though it looks fine today, we took the decision a few days ago that the frost (and possibly snow) would make it hazardous.

We will now be doing it in Spring some time, date to be confirmed.

So the financial costs won't now be announced until 'Spring sometime', so it won't spoil our judgement of this publicly funded art?

Something to look forward to.

Along with the sound of the first cuckoo.

:rolleyes:

garinda 11-12-2010 08:53

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 868043)
So the financial costs won't now be announced until 'Spring sometime', so it won't spoil our judgement of this publicly funded art?

Something to look forward to.

Along with the sound of the first cuckoo.

:rolleyes:

Sorry to spoil the suprise.

For anyone who doesn't want to know the cost of the Victorian Swimming Gala, so as better to judge the event's artistic worth, look away now.

Two thousand five hundred pounds.

(The information was obtained via the Freedom of Information Act. Although this request wasn't made by me.)

£2,500.00

I presume 'about a quarter' of the funding came from tax payers' money here in Hyndburn, like it did for the other events?

Sorry to prejudge this 'community art' happening, but as to the artistic merit and it's worth to society, does it represent good value?

No!

jaysay 11-12-2010 09:15

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 868076)
Sorry to spoil the surprise.

For anyone who doesn't want to know the cost of the Victorian Swimming Gala, so as better to judge the event's artistic worth, look away now.

Two thousand five hundred pounds.

(The information was obtained via the Freedom of Information Act. Although this request wasn't made by me.)

£2,500.00

I presume 'about a quarter' of the funding came from tax payers' money here in Hyndburn, like it did for the other events?



Sorry to prejudge this 'community art' happening, but as to the artistic merit and it's worth to society, does it represent good value?

No!

See you've only just come back of hols and your already upsetting people:D

MargaretR 27-03-2012 07:33

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At last someone in authority in the 'art world' has had the courage to say that stuffed sheep, pickled sharks and unmade beds are not art.

Sell up now before it's too late, expert tells Damien Hirst fans - News - Art - The Independent

Wynonie Harris 27-03-2012 08:28

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"Con Art"...exactly! The emperor's new clothes!

jaysay 27-03-2012 08:38

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A bit of sense at last,

garinda 27-03-2012 17:55

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I couldn't give a flying fig, whether those with more money than sense want to invest their own money in so called works of art.

Good luck to the bed makers, and shark stuffers, who are milking the suckers dry.

I happen to disagree with the critic who predicts a fall in the value of conceptual art.

Once the financiers have decided the worth of an artist, historically values rarely fall.

Nothing at all to do with artistic merit, but art's nearly as sound an investment as property.

Less 27-03-2012 18:34

Is a flying fig 'art'?

I agree, let them spend their brass, it is theirs to do what they want with.

I do not like public money being spent on so called art, if someone wants to swim up a high street in victorian gear, aw bless, let them, they can even call that art just so long as it doesn't cost one penny of rate payers money.

accyman 27-03-2012 19:40

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 980256)
At last someone in authority in the 'art world' has had the courage to say that stuffed sheep, pickled sharks and unmade beds are not art.

Sell up now before it's too late, expert tells Damien Hirst fans - News - Art - The Independent

if an unmade bed is art the critics will love my bedroom theres a whole load of other un-done things they can buy too :D

garinda 27-03-2012 20:26

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 980380)
Is a flying fig 'art'?

Yes.

When it's launched into the atmosphere by me.

It then becomes part of an on-going conceptual art piece I've been working on since 1965.

'Life is a Minestrone.'

Brought to you by Heinz.

Sadly sponsorship will be withdrawn, when I'm 57.

Though I have been approached by a tripe company, who seem to see something in my work, and who might continue funding the piece.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...ona%2BLisa.gif

:D

jaysay 28-03-2012 09:12

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...15_636x258.jpg

Well they say Art is Art don't they, now where did I put those drawings my 4 year old grandson left me:D So £4500, for this bit of Mr Hurst's art, must be a snip;)

garinda 28-03-2012 09:40

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The only art that I can think of, that hasn't proved to be a wise long-term investment, once the money men have decided it's valuable, would be the work of so-called (American) child prodigies.

Most of whose output, at a later date, usually turns out to have been produced by their conniving parents.

jaysay 28-03-2012 09:42

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 980505)
The only art that I can think of, that hasn't proved to be a wise long-term investment, once the money men have decided it's valuable, would be the work of so-called (American) child prodigies.

Most of whose output, at a later date, usually turns out to have been produced by their conniving parents.

Surely there aren't parents like that................are there:rolleyes:

garinda 28-03-2012 09:52

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 980507)
Surely there aren't parents like that................are there:rolleyes:

Yes, and even more shocking is the fact there are plenty of suckers willing to part with their dollars, for one of the tiny tot's 'masterpieces'.


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