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katex 30-10-2010 19:52

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 856891)
Where will they shop?

Tesco? only a spit from were the Market Hall will have been.
:mad:

Who knows Less .. no one has a Crystal Ball ... 'every little helps'

Less 30-10-2010 19:53

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856897)
'every little helps'

Not if your floundering rather than swimming up Broadway!
:D
(my Victorian values out on public display once more).:o

garinda 30-10-2010 19:57

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856888)
In YOUR opinion. Again subjective.

It's not subjective.

It's a fact.

Flash mobs cannot be described as modern.

They could have been ten years ago, when they first happened.

They could have been in the sixties, when their precursor, the art happenings, were first produced.

A decade latter they are neither cutting edge, innovative, or 'modern'.

If you think those long haired louts, the Rolling Stones, are a threat to society, flash mobs might seem shockingly new...and a modern concept.

;)

Less 30-10-2010 20:01

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856899)
It's not subjective.

It's a fact.

Flash mobs cannot be described as modern.

They could have been ten years ago, when they first happened.

They could have been in the sixties, when their precursor, the art happenings, were first produced.

A decade latter they are neither cutting edge, innovative, or 'modern'.

If you think those long haired louts, the Rolling Stones, are a threat to society, flash mobs might seem shockingly new...and a modern concept.

;)

I'll give you a very ageist 'Rock On' for that.
;)

garinda 30-10-2010 20:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856899)
It's not subjective.

It's a fact.

Flash mobs cannot be described as modern.

They could have been ten years ago, when they first happened.

They could have been in the sixties, when their precursor, the art happenings, were first produced.

A decade latter they are neither cutting edge, innovative, or 'modern'.

If you think those long haired louts, the Rolling Stones, are a threat to society, flash mobs might seem shockingly new...and a modern concept.

;)


...and the thing that is very relevant to this thread, when they were modern, new, and literally had thousands of people taking part in them...THEY DIDN'T COST A PENNY TO STAGE!

Which to some I suppose sounds an old fashioned concept. No wonga being paid to anyone else to produce them.

How quaint.

:rolleyes:

katex 30-10-2010 20:12

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856899)
It's not subjective.

It's a fact.

Flash mobs cannot be described as modern.

They could have been ten years ago, when they first happened.

They could have been in the sixties, when their precursor, the art happenings, were first produced.

A decade latter they are neither cutting edge, innovative, or 'modern'.

If you think those long haired louts, the Rolling Stones, are a threat to society, flash mobs might seem shockingly new...and a modern concept.

;)

Well, takes a decade to reach us Northerners... :D

Less 30-10-2010 20:16

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856901)
...and the thing that is very relevant to this thread, when they were modern, new, and literally had thousands of people taking part in them...THEY DIDN'T COST A PENNY TO STAGE!

Which to some I suppose sounds an old fashioned concept. No wonga being paid to anyone else to produce them.

How quaint.

:rolleyes:

I bet they were just as annoying to the shop keepers that were interrupted from trying to earn a crust?

Anyway, I may not reply for a while Yesterday is showing the film The Colditz Story, call it what you will, a touch trivial perhaps but I find we all need to find something to escape to rather than this bullshine!
:rolleyes:

katex 30-10-2010 20:22

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 856906)
I bet they were just as annoying to the shop keepers that were interrupted from trying to earn a crust?

Anyway, I may not reply for a while Yesterday is showing the film The Colditz Story, call it what you will, a touch trivial perhaps but I find we all need to find something to escape to rather than this bullshine!
:rolleyes:

And I'm off to eat and watch a scary movie ...which will be negated after this thread.. LOL.

In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre. Only fair ...at least A-B did try.

cashman 30-10-2010 20:27

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856895)

As far as I can see, it is all about marketing and an attempt to give the centre a feel good factor and fun instead of the supermarket aisles.

a very poor attempt,if thats what it is, summat like the skateboarders on broadway a few years back, very artistic,:rolleyes: frightening the elderly as they whizzed past, knocking em occasionally, purely accidental, really makes em feel good.:rolleyes:

garinda 30-10-2010 20:30

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856903)
Well, takes a decade to reach us Northerners... :D

Good job The Beatles didn't have that backward thinking, defeatist, apologetic, and ever so humble attitude.

They'd never have stormed the world, inventing (modern for the time) pop music.

Nor those great northern minds, who a few centuries earlier had given the world a very modern industrial revolution.

;)

garinda 30-10-2010 20:35

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856907)
And I'm off to eat and watch a scary movie ...which will be negated after this thread.. LOL.

In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre. Only fair ...at least A-B did try.

Inernational Chav and Chavette of the Year.

I'm serious by the way.

Accy is on many websites as being Chav central.

Celebrate and build on the negative

Trackie, swimwear, how they'd spend the winnings.

It'd get more publicity than a naff, out dated, flash mob.

Give, give, give.

That's me.

;)

garinda 30-10-2010 20:37

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856910)
Inernational Chav and Chavette of the Year.

I'm serious by the way.

Accy is on many websites as being Chav central.

Celebrate and build on the negative

Trackie, swimwear, how they'd spend the winnings.

It'd get more publicity than a naff, out dated, flash mob.

Give, give, give.

That's me.

;)


...and it would cost very little.

A family bucket of K.F.C., every month for a year, for the winner.

;)

Margaret Pilkington 30-10-2010 20:45

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856884)
Can't have 'modern' heritage Margaret ... :confused:

Dancing is not an art then ? Always thought it was. :confused:

Gotta' move on ya' know. These events don't have to be linked with our heritage .... that is not what it is all about.

While some dancing is an art......Ballet, cultural(as in Hungarian, Russian, or Balinese)...but 'Flashmob'...don't think it quite makes it...well not for me anyway.

And while these events don't have to be linked to our heritage, wouldn't it be much better if they were? or am I being a bit old fashioned here?
I just think it is all smoke and mirrors, that doesn't do much for our locality, and at a cost that could be better spent elsewhere......only my opinion, you understand.

Margaret Pilkington 30-10-2010 20:53

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The way to get people back to Accrington is to attract shops that people want to shop in.
If there is a need to put on arty things then do them in the appropriate venue with the right kind of publicity beforehand. We have a wonderful Town Hall that would be perfect for exhibitions or craft type things. Hold antique and Curio fairs......something that is one step up from the flea market.

I don't mind buskers...they are individual. Like the chap who plays foot tapping music in the centre of Manchester........I like the pavement artists....again can be seen in Manchester...their skill is amazing.
None of this is contrived, and it costs what the passer by is willing to give

cashman 30-10-2010 21:24

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 856918)
The way to get people back to Accrington is to attract shops that people want to shop in.
If there is a need to put on arty things then do them in the appropriate venue with the right kind of publicity beforehand. We have a wonderful Town Hall that would be perfect for exhibitions or craft type things. Hold antique and Curio fairs......something that is one step up from the flea market.

I don't mind buskers...they are individual. Like the chap who plays foot tapping music in the centre of Manchester........I like the pavement artists....again can be seen in Manchester...their skill is amazing.
None of this is contrived, and it costs what the passer by is willing to give

Agree- a Flashmob will i reckon drive people home.:eek:

Less 30-10-2010 21:30

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856907)
And I'm off to eat and watch a scary movie ...which will be negated after this thread.. LOL.

In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre. Only fair ...at least A-B did try.

If you weren't so fixated in defending your mate in this thread you would have seen that I have started another thread in which I have offered my services in a scheme that would be just as useless as anything proposed as 'art', the only difference is, mine will cost the people of Hyndburn nothing in funds and will be slightly less embarrassing than someone swimming the length of Broadway.

Please do check the site before you make such sweeping remarks!
:)

lancsdave 30-10-2010 21:36

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856907)
In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre.

I'm sure it's been answered loads of times. Make it more attractive for people to occupy the shops, also making sure it isn't just filled with certain types of shops. Whover gave planning permission for the upsurge in bookies in the centre needs shooting to start with.

Secondary option, stop Transdev running the X41 to Manchester :D

katex 30-10-2010 22:15

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 856915)
While some dancing is an art......Ballet, cultural(as in Hungarian, Russian, or Balinese)...but 'Flashmob'...don't think it quite makes it...well not for me anyway.

And while these events don't have to be linked to our heritage, wouldn't it be much better if they were? opinion, you understand.

Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.

Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 856918)
I don't mind buskers...they are individual. Like the chap who plays foot tapping music in the centre of Manchester........I like the pavement artists....again can be seen in Manchester...their skill is amazing.
None of this is contrived, and it costs what the passer by is willing to give

Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington. :D

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 856930)
If you weren't so fixated in defending your mate in this thread you would have seen that I have started another thread in which I have offered my services in a scheme that would be just as useless as anything proposed as 'art', the only difference is, mine will cost the people of Hyndburn nothing in funds and will be slightly less embarrassing than someone swimming the length of Broadway.

Please do check the site before you make such sweeping remarks!
:)

Again, please don't put any spin on by describing Gayle as 'my mate' ... we are friendly, yes, but not close friends, and would not defend any close friends anyway if I did not agree with them.

Yes, have looked at your post ... trying to make sense of it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 856932)
I'm sure it's been answered loads of times. Make it more attractive for people to occupy the shops, also making sure it isn't just filled with certain types of shops. Whover gave planning permission for the upsurge in bookies in the centre needs shooting to start with.

Secondary option, stop Transdev running the X41 to Manchester :D

Interesting Dave .. more attractive .. what do you suggest then ?

Bookies .. well, is a fact that more people are gambling due to recession .. can't blame them for jumping on the band wagon, and HBC renting out one of their shops rather than empty.

cashman 30-10-2010 22:19

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its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.;)

Less 30-10-2010 22:25

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856946)




Yes, have looked at your post ... trying to make sense of it. :rolleyes:


Of course you are dear, it is in an art form beyond your comprehension, perhaps you should have paid attention at infant school then not only would you have put the coloured dots onto the paper you would have learnt the rich tapestry of all that is abstract.

The trick is not to look too deeply, like an organised impromptu dance it means nothing.
;)

katex 30-10-2010 22:27

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856949)
its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.;)


Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean.

katex 30-10-2010 22:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 856952)
Of course you are dear, it is in an art form beyond your comprehension, perhaps you should have paid attention at infant school then not only would you have put the coloured dots onto the paper you would have learnt the rich tapestry of all that is abstract.

The trick is not to look too deeply, like an organised impromptu dance it means nothing.
;)

The dance is not impromptu ... please keep up.

Will ignore your personal insult as usual ... :p

cashman 30-10-2010 22:32

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856953)
Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean.

i'm sure unless the traders i know are telling porkies.;)

garinda 30-10-2010 22:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856949)
its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.;)

Which brings us neatly back to the Market Hall, and the Liberating Empty Terrain project.

Which until very recently wasn't empty at all, pre-refurbishment.

It was space taken up by people actually flogging stuff for a living. To people prepared to fork for whatever it was they were selling.

The empty space was liberated, and filled by a person paid to make wooly caterpillars.

We are told this is 'community art'.

Give me a white flag.

Let's all surrender.

We've been liberated.

lancsdave 30-10-2010 22:34

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856946)

Interesting Dave .. more attractive .. what do you suggest then ?

Bookies .. well, is a fact that more people are gambling due to recession .. can't blame them for jumping on the band wagon, and HBC renting out one of their shops rather than empty.

Attractive = lower rents & rates :)

I don't think HBC own any of the shops in Broadway or Union St/ Arndale Centre but they can stop change of use. It also means they don't dictate the rents but I'm sure they could put pressure on the landlords of the properties to do something.

Less 30-10-2010 22:41

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856954)
The dance is not impromptu ... please keep up.

Will ignore your personal insult as usual ... :p

The idea is supposed to be.

and as mentioned by a previous poster, for the sake of anonymity, we'll call him rindy, it is something like 10 years out of date,(do keep up).

Please don't ignore any insult from me personal or otherwise, how else can I claim that my existence has a meaning if not to bring you down a peg or twelve?
If I didn't you would become completely unbearable!
:hidewall:

cashman 30-10-2010 22:41

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 856958)
Attractive = lower rents & rates :)

I don't think HBC own any of the shops in Broadway or Union St/ Arndale Centre but they can stop change of use. It also means they don't dictate the rents but I'm sure they could put pressure on the landlords of the properties to do something.

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856953)
Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean.

they could never do that, would spoil kates blinkers.:D

lancsdave 30-10-2010 22:41

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I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.

cashman 30-10-2010 22:47

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 856965)
I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.

more still when Flashmob comes to town.:D

garinda 30-10-2010 22:52

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856954)
The dance is not impromptu ... please keep up.

It is, or is supposed to be. That is the all point.

Someone posts a video on a website, with information to descend en masse, at so and so place, on such a day. They are informed that at exactly whatever time, they all do the pre-arranged act, then vanish again, back into the nowhere land.

It was supposedly an act of people power, and as such could be described as a happening, and concievably art.

That's when it was new, and modern, and cost nothing. Ten years ago.

Before it became a bit passe, and used to flog phones, and now that you have to spend a grand, to get someone in, to make it happen.

It certainly didn't need...

'much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.'

Even those at the scene, who were unaware what was happening, joined in, and did as others around them did.

;)

garinda 30-10-2010 22:55

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Besides thinking the costs shouldn't come from the public purse, I'm sorry to say this all sounds like the equivalent of 'dad dancing' at weddings.

A lot of effort, but ultimately, and sadly a bit cringe making.

katex 30-10-2010 22:55

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856964)
they could never do that, would spoil kates blinkers.:D


:p Think I am one of the people on here who is not blinkered and cares about our town and trying to keep positive instead of the cynical attitude handed out by a group of members on here.

Cynicism ought to be the eighth deadly sin; a very unpleasant characteristic.

katex 30-10-2010 22:59

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 856958)
Attractive = lower rents & rates :)

I don't think HBC own any of the shops in Broadway or Union St/ Arndale Centre but they can stop change of use. It also means they don't dictate the rents but I'm sure they could put pressure on the landlords of the properties to do something.

Fair enough Dave .. not altogether sure who owns all the properties. Have to have a reason for refusing change of use... just saying 'don't think we should have any more betting shops' is not good enough.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 856965)
I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.


Ha Ha !.. yes, a culling of undesirables (whoever they are) ... that would be quite spectacular and would definintely pull in the crowds of desirables.

lancsdave 30-10-2010 23:00

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856977)
Ha Ha !.. yes, a culling of undesirables (whoever they are) ... that would be quite spectacular and would definintely pull in the crowds of desirables.


Now we're getting there. Can we get funding for it ? :D

garinda 30-10-2010 23:03

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 856965)
I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.

Told you.

Celebrate our diversity.

International Chav/Chavette competition.

Observer's Alky of the Year.

Best dressed smack head.

Childrens' spelling a tattoo competition.

Longest term female resident, who can't speak English.

Worst kept garden competition.

Endless.

It just needs creativity.

garinda 30-10-2010 23:06

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856976)
Cynicism ought to be the eighth deadly sin; a very unpleasant characteristic.

Would that be more, or less unpleasant, than labelling someone 'disgusting' for expressing a valid opinion, that others might not hold.

:rolleyes:

cashman 30-10-2010 23:06

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856976)
:p Think I am one of the people on here who is not blinkered and cares about our town and trying to keep positive instead of the cynical attitude handed out by a group of members on here.

Cynicism ought to be the eighth deadly sin; a very unpleasant characteristic.

nowt wrong wi trying to keep positive, would help if sensible was included in the positivity.;)

garinda 30-10-2010 23:10

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Just checked my Accy Web mail box.

No news of the costs of funding the Victorian Swimming Gala.

Thought not.

Probably be broadcast publicly this time, rather than by special delivery to myself.

Progress, of sorts.

When it happens.

katex 30-10-2010 23:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856983)
nowt wrong wi trying to keep positive, would help if sensible was included in the positivity.;)


So, what's been sensible in other posts on here then ? Just criticism .. no concrete suggestions which is what the town needs.

lancsdave 30-10-2010 23:14

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856985)
So, what's been sensible in other posts on here then ? Just criticism .. no concrete suggestions which is what the town needs.


It's very difficult to be positive when the people charged with the responsibility of making the decisions don't listen anway :rolleyes:

katex 30-10-2010 23:14

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856981)
Would that be more, or less unpleasant, than labelling someone 'disgusting' for expressing a valid opinion, that others might not hold.

:rolleyes:

Wasn't a valid opinion ... was just downright offensive.
Stop sidetracking.

cashman 30-10-2010 23:14

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856985)
So, what's been sensible in other posts on here then ? Just criticism .. no concrete suggestions which is what the town needs.

thats cos yer blinkered kate, but you don't think so. there has been suggestions but ya choose to ignore em.

Less 30-10-2010 23:16

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856976)
:p Think I am one of the people on here who is not blinkered and cares about our town and trying to keep positive instead of the cynical attitude handed out by a group of members on here.

Cynicism ought to be the eighth deadly sin; a very unpleasant characteristic.

Take a look at yourself woman! of course you aren't blinkered how the heck would blinkers fit over those rose tinted specs?
:D

But Cynicism is much, much better than art, no hang on, cynicism is, if applied correctly an art form in a class of it's own. Or is that the full monty with Prince Charles dancing in the dole queue?
Now that I would turn up to see.

katex 30-10-2010 23:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856988)
thats cos yer blinkered kate, but you don't think so. there has been suggestions but ya choose to ignore em.

Suggestions ? Name them. With the exception of A-B's which aren't feasible in our town. 'In my opinion' .. open to discussion though.

cashman 30-10-2010 23:20

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 856990)
Suggestions ? Name them. With the exception of A-B's which aren't feasible in our town. 'In my opinion' .. open to discussion though.

No you look fer em. its you says theres been none.:p

Less 30-10-2010 23:23

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856993)
No you look fer em. its you says theres been none.:p

Tsk, you want a woman you claim to be blinkered to go wandering alone in a thread 24 pages long?

Until now I thought you a gentleman.
;)

garinda 30-10-2010 23:32

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Is fashion art?

No?

Still, I'll share this anyway.

Chap was approached by a 'local fundraiser'

They'd secured funding to hold a Wimmin's Day event at a Town Hall.

Part of the funding was one thousand pounds, purely to stage and produce a fashion show.

Chap, with some past experience in this sort of nonsense, was asked to help put on the fashion show, having choreographed such things in the past, professionally.

Chap turns up at the allotted time, hangs about a bit, then is informed that because of religious beliefs, and him having a winky, the wimmin would not be going in any room with him, to practice walking about like a model etc.

Fair enough.

Chap goes home.

Chap's later informed, by a friend who took part the 'fashion show', who didn't have a winky, it was just a few wimmin, walking about the stage for a few moments, in hats they'd trimmed up.

Chap thinks blimey! That sounds a bit like what old ladies do in community centres at Easter, after they've sewn some daffs and a few fluffy chicks on a bonnet, and happens across the land, and costs nowt. No funding required.

Chap's left wondering about the worth to the community of such events, and the value of an 'event' that cost a thousand quid, to only partly put on.

:rolleyes:

katex 30-10-2010 23:37

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 856994)
Tsk, you want a woman you claim to be blinkered to go wandering alone in a thread 24 pages long?

Until now I thought you a gentleman.
;)


Wandering alone has never been a problem for me Less. Cashy is a gentleman and probably tired like myself.:D If I can face this onslaught of verbal, wandering a labyrinth of pages on the Internnet is child's play.

Will pick up this discussion tomorrow .. sleep well Citizens ...hope I don't see a guillotine and a row of knitters (hmmm .. idea springs to mind) in the centre next week with my name on the head basket. xx

Less 30-10-2010 23:41

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856995)
Is fashion art?

No?

Still, I'll share this anyway.

Chap was approached by a 'local fundraiser'

They'd secured funding to hold a Wimmin's Day event at a Town Hall.

Part of the funding was one thousand pounds, purely to stage and produce a fashion show.

Chap, with some past experience in this sort of nonsense, was asked to help put on the fashion show, having choreographed such things in the past, professionally.

Chap turns up at the allotted time, hangs about a bit, then is informed that because of religious beliefs, and him having a winky, the wimmin would not be going in any room with him, to practice walking about like a model etc.

Fair enough.

Chap goes home.

Chap's later informed, by a friend who took part the 'fashion show', who didn't have a winky, it was just a few wimmin, walking about the stage for a few moments, in hats they'd trimmed up.

Chap thinks blimey! That sounds a bit like what old ladies do in community centres at Easter, after they've sewn some daffs and a few fluffy chicks on a bonnet, and happens across the land, and costs nowt. No funding required.

Chap's left wondering about the worth to the community of such events, and the value of an 'event' that cost a thousand quid, to only partly put on.

:rolleyes:

Sounds right up your street, if only equality of the sexes could be extended to men I think you could have been in there!
:D

garinda 30-10-2010 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 856987)
Wasn't a valid opinion ... was just downright offensive.
Stop sidetracking.

I'd suggest that's subjective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 856539)
If they want to learn to dance let them pay for it like I did out of my paper round money instead of freeloading and providing you with - what should we call it? Satisfaction? salary? self gratification? or just abuse from the majority of people that have responded to this thread, in which case you must be in serious danger of becoming a serial masochist.

Strongly worded perhaps, but seems genuine and heartfelt to me, even if I disagreed with it.

Though not something I'd so rudely and dismissevly label as 'disgusting' myself.

garinda 30-10-2010 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 856997)
Sounds right up your street, if only equality of the sexes could be extended to men I think you could have been in there!
:D


I'm only passing on this information, from a 'close friend', to illustrate the amount of funding that is availavle to produce these wonderful community extravaganzas.

garinda 30-10-2010 23:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 856996)
Wandering alone has never been a problem for me Less. Cashy is a gentleman and probably tired like myself.:D If I can face this onslaught of verbal, wandering a labyrinth of pages on the Internnet is child's play.

Will pick up this discussion tomorrow .. sleep well Citizens ...hope I don't see a guillotine and a row of knitters (hmmm .. idea springs to mind) in the centre next week with my name on the head basket. xx

French Revolutionary knitters were mentioned weeks ago, along with someone else farting about, doing his hobby.

Oh yes, it was Nero fiddling, whilst Rome burned.

Do keep up.

Sweet dreams x.

:D

Less 30-10-2010 23:51

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857001)
I'm only passing on this information, from a 'close friend', to illustrate the amount of funding that is availavle to produce these wonderful community extravaganzas.

Good heavens, you mean this sort of thing happens in real life?

Well, who would have thought it?

Still at least we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that such a thing would never happen in our little patch of nirvana.
:confused:

garinda 30-10-2010 23:55

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856998)
I'd suggest that's subjective.



Strongly worded perhaps, but seems genuine and heartfelt to me, even if I disagreed with it.

Though not something I'd so rudely and dismissevly label as 'disgusting' myself.

Serious about quoted post, but on a less serious note, just because we'll never agree on this, as I don't with Gayle, and has happened on other occasions, it doesn't mean I think any less of anyone.

I do (like and) admire Gayle's dogged determination to get things done, and I still think you're a sweetheart.

Sleep well.

I hope your dreams are beautifully choreographed x

:D

garinda 30-10-2010 23:56

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 857005)
Good heavens, you mean this sort of thing happens in real life?

Well, who would have thought it?

Still at least we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that such a thing would never happen in our little patch of nirvana.
:confused:

Tis true.

Id trust this 'close friend' with my life.

:rolleyes:

garinda 31-10-2010 00:06

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 857005)
Still at least we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that such a thing would never happen in our little patch of nirvana.
:confused:

Yes, we must be thankful for small mercies.

It could never happen here.

Folks round here aren't that daft.

:rolleyes:

Less 31-10-2010 00:08

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 856995)
religious beliefs,

:rolleyes:

I'd be almost tempted to accuse you of being your own close friend except that I know from other threads you don't have any religious beliefs, so you couldn't have been that winky.
;)

garinda 31-10-2010 00:12

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 857011)
I'd be almost tempted to accuse you of being your own close friend except that I know from other threads you don't have any

I do have 'close friends'!

How very dare you.

You know full well I, whoops, we, are schizophrenic.

:):):):):)
me-us-us-us

garinda 31-10-2010 00:23

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useyourhead, great harwood says...

'Maybe they could crochet some hats to hand out to our elderly who can no longer afford to heat their houses!'

Hyndburn arts scheme spends £2,500 on crochet sculpture (From Lancashire Telegraph)

All very well coming up with fancy ways in which wool can be used.

But is it art, and would that simplistic approach secure funding?

:rolleyes:

yerself 31-10-2010 08:16

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katex
Cynicism ought to be the eighth deadly sin; a very unpleasant characteristic.

Or, as beardyman put it:

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. ~George Bernard Shaw

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 09:00

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[quote=katex;856946]Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.

Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.



Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington. :D


Kate, there may be lots of technique in this kind of dance, but it doesn't have the same cultural kudos(I was looking for another word here, but I am having a 'grey moment') as the other forms of dance I mentioned.(gravitas, was the word I was looking for)
And while Heritage maybe isn't what the thread is about, perhaps if it was more linked to our area heritage it would have more people coming to see it........just a thought, you understand....after all, I am a bit like DaveinGermany...a bit of a cultural pygmy.
That said, I do know what I like.....it has to be easy on the ears and pleasant to look at.

As for the buskers in Manchester......well, I don't think that you can equate them with beggars.......don't they have to have a licence......so what they actually are, is performers....being paid by the general public who find their work pleasing....no-one grabs you by your purse and makes you pay....you only do that if you like what they do....and many folk do.

You asked for alternatives...I gave you some.

I also agree with other posters who feel that the rent and rates should be a little more economical...this would perhaps bring in some individual shops.
These days where-ever you go all the town centres have the same shops....selling pretty much the same stuff.......so to go somewhere that has smaller more interesting/specialist shops could work.

Check out Hebden Bridge....it has a plethora of interesting shops.

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 09:07

Re: The value of public funded art
 
I am probably a cynic too, except I prefer to call it realism.

Bernard Dawson 31-10-2010 09:23

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[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857053]
Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 856946)
Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.

Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.



Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington. :D


Kate, there may be lots of technique in this kind of dance, but it doesn't have the same cultural kudos(I was looking for another word here, but I am having a 'grey moment') as the other forms of dance I mentioned.(gravitas, was the word I was looking for)
And while Heritage maybe isn't what the thread is about, perhaps if it was more linked to our area heritage it would have more people coming to see it........just a thought, you understand....after all, I am a bit like DaveinGermany...a bit of a cultural pygmy.
That said, I do know what I like.....it has to be easy on the ears and pleasant to look at.

As for the buskers in Manchester......well, I don't think that you can equate them with beggars.......don't they have to have a licence......so what they actually are, is performers....being paid by the general public who find their work pleasing....no-one grabs you by your purse and makes you pay....you only do that if you like what they do....and many folk do.

You asked for alternatives...I gave you some.

I also agree with other posters who feel that the rent and rates should be a little more economical...this would perhaps bring in some individual shops.
These days where-ever you go all the town centres have the same shops....selling pretty much the same stuff.......so to go somewhere that has smaller more interesting/specialist shops could work.

Check out Hebden Bridge....it has a plethora of interesting shops.


Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion.

jaysay 31-10-2010 09:51

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[quote=Bernard Dawson;857065]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857053)


Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion.

Maybe if between 1986 and 1999 if the money from the assets which were sold had have been spent on the Town centre instead of Nigel Rixes "Love Child" The Globe Centre, then maybe things would have been different.;)

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 09:58

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=Bernard Dawson;857065]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857053)


Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion.

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded?

As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen.

It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country.

cashman 31-10-2010 10:04

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857056)
I am probably a cynic too, except I prefer to call it realism.

seems everyones a cynic,that don't agree wi a particular line of thought.:rolleyes:

Bernard Dawson 31-10-2010 10:04

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=jaysay;857073]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857065)
Maybe if between 1986 and 1999 if the money from the assets which were sold had have been spent on the Town centre instead of Nigel Rixes "Love Child" The Globe Centre, then maybe things would have been different.;)

You've got your dates slightly wrong. Nigel wasn't working for the authority when we did most of the work on the Globe. By the time Nigel joined the authority the Globe was well up and running.

lancsdave 31-10-2010 10:12

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[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857075]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857065)

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded?

As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen.

It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country.


I tried to type something like this last night but couldn't get my words right so I scrapped it :)

We can't compete with the bigger towns and cities in terms of footfall for big retail giants, lets be different, after all smaller independent retailers don't need the same massive footfall to pay thier shareholders. They just need a system which gives them chance to operate

jaysay 31-10-2010 10:14

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=Bernard Dawson;857079]
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 857073)

You've got your dates slightly wrong. Nigel wasn't working for the authority when we did most of the work on the Globe. By the time Nigel joined the authority the Globe was well up and running.

Well he certainly became obsessed with it most of the time he was there and the assets WERE sold of while he was in charge, money from which could have been spent on an already ailing town centre

jaysay 31-10-2010 10:16

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=jaysay;857083]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857079)
Well he certainly became obsessed with it most of the time he was there and the assets WERE sold of while he was in charge, money from which could have been spent on an already ailing town centre

what the hells going wrong with the quoting system:confused:that was my quote not Bernards

Bernard Dawson 31-10-2010 10:19

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857075]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857065)

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded?

As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen.

It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country.

I think youre right Margaret I've suggested fact finding missions to other towns before. Let's try and learn from what other towns are doing.

garinda 31-10-2010 11:26

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 857084)
what the hells going wrong with the quoting system:confused:that was my quote not Bernards

You're taking part in a community art projest.

The Great Misquote Community Chain Parade.

;).

garinda 31-10-2010 11:27

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857103)
You're taking part in a community art projest.

The Great Misquote Community Chain Parade.

;).


Cynically, I'm not taking part, as I'm unsure as to it's value.

:D

Ken Moss 31-10-2010 11:34

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857086)
I think youre right Margaret I've suggested fact finding missions to other towns before. Let's try and learn from what other towns are doing.

Jeez Bernard, go easy.

Giving Peter ideas like that is tantamount to giving the green light for an exclusive Cabinet 'fact finding mission' to somewhere like Monaco or St Tropez.

garinda 31-10-2010 11:40

Re: The value of public funded art
 
In her defence, Gayle has mentioned on here how we could look to the sucess of Hebden Bridge...years ago.

I remember because I unearthed the information that it has the highest density of lesbians, outside of London.

:D

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 11:42

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=Bernard Dawson;857086]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857075)

I think youre right Margaret I've suggested fact finding missions to other towns before. Let's try and learn from what other towns are doing.

So if there is such a great passion to make Accrington a vibrant town, with shops that will bring in the tourist(even if they are only shopping tourists), why isn't it happening.

Surely if I, (as a lowly retired person) can see this, there must be others far better educated than me,(and in positions of influence) who can see this and work out some way of making it happen here....rather than this gimmicky flim flam which does nothing concrete or lasting to improve, invigorate or promote the town.

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 11:47

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 857111)
Jeez Bernard, go easy.

Giving Peter ideas like that is tantamount to giving the green light for an exclusive Cabinet 'fact finding mission' to somewhere like Monaco or St Tropez.


No, No, No Ken. We are not talking fact finding missions to St Trop.
Just Hebden Bridge....and he can go on the bus, no limosine...let him do the 'common peoples' trip out.
And before he thinks of taking an entourage, it needs no more than four people....someone to look at the financial angle...someone who can spot the trends, someone to take notes and someone to keep the whole lot of them in budget and on track....I would volunteer for that job and do it free!

garinda 31-10-2010 11:49

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[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857117]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857086)

So if there is such a great passion to make Accrington a vibrant town, with shops that will bring in the tourist(even if they are only shopping tourists), why isn't it happening.

Surely if I, (as a lowly retired person) can see this, there must be others far better educated than me,(and in positions of influence) who can see this and work out some way of making it happen here....rather than this gimmicky flim flam which does nothing concrete or lasting to improve, invigorate or promote the town.

I've changed my mind.

I will participate in the community art project, The Great Misquote Community Chain.

:D

Ken Moss 31-10-2010 11:49

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857117)
So if there is such a great passion to make Accrington a vibrant town, with shops that will bring in the tourist(even if they are only shopping tourists), why isn't it happening.

Surely if I, (as a lowly retired person) can see this, there must be others far better educated than me,(and in positions of influence) who can see this and work out some way of making it happen here....rather than this gimmicky flim flam which does nothing concrete or lasting to improve, invigorate or promote the town.

Talking sense again, Marg. It'll never catch on.

We're entering the endgame for Hyndburn Conservative control, welcome to the Scorched Earth era, the very policy that Jaysay bangs on endlessly about the last Labour government having adopted earlier this year.

The infamous treasury note was hardly our finest hour but will the Tory faithful defend the same approach in Hyndburn?

garinda 31-10-2010 11:52

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 857125)
Talking sense again, Marg. It'll never catch on.

We're entering the endgame for Hyndburn Conservative control, welcome to the Scorched Earth era, the very policy that Jaysay bangs on endlessly about the last Labour government having adopted earlier this year.

The infamous treasury note was hardly our finest hour but will the Tory faithful defend the same approach in Hyndburn?

It was unforgivable when the last Labour government did it.

If we now have a scorthed earth spending policy in Hyndburn, that too is an appalling state of affairs.

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 11:55

Re: The value of public funded art
 
sense is what I deal in...there is no worthier coin.

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 11:57

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857128)
It was unforgivable when the last Labour government did it.

If we now have a scorthed earth spending policy in Hyndburn, that too is an appalling state of affairs.

Oh How I agree. What happened to looking after the interests of the bourough?
No don't answer that Ken. I have a feeling that I won't like the answer.

garinda 31-10-2010 11:57

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857129)
sense is what I deal in...there is no worthier coin.

...and it costs not a penny.

Nowt!

:D

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 11:59

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857132)
...and it costs not a penny.

Nowt!

:D

Well, only a bit of thought....and that isn't too hard.

katex 31-10-2010 12:06

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[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857075]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 857065)

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
.

Not going to repeat my thoughts on why not again ... except is a very pretty small place that can be walked around in less than a couple of hours. Primarily a tourist town with boat rides on the canal, meeting of two rivers, good centre for hikers, so is successful in this right alone. It's a lovely day out. Always busy ... try finding a place to park on any day of the week ! Lot of shops closed on Tuesdays though.

Not saying some of their ideas cannot be taken on board ... again, think we made a start with our Food Fair, which attracts 100's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857116)
I remember because I unearthed the information that it has the highest density of lesbians, outside of London.

:D

Yes, and has made me a little neurotic everytime I go there wondering about 2 ladies walking together.. mind you, I usually am with a lady friend, so maybe other people are thinking this about us. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857123)
Just Hebden Bridge....and he can go on the bus, no limosine...let him do the 'common peoples' trip out.

There is a good train service too from Accrington Railway Station direct to Hebden Bridge .. on the hour.

garinda 31-10-2010 12:10

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 857134)
Yes, and has made me a little neurotic everytime I go there wondering about 2 ladies walking together.. mind you, I usually am with a lady friend, so maybe other people are thinking this about us. :D

As long as your lady companion isn't wearing a collar and tie, and stout shoes, stop fretting.

:D

Acrylic-bob 31-10-2010 12:11

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 857125)
We're entering the endgame for Hyndburn Conservative control, welcome to the Scorched Earth era, the very policy that Jaysay bangs on endlessly about the last Labour government having adopted earlier this year.

The infamous treasury note was hardly our finest hour but will the Tory faithful defend the same approach in Hyndburn?

That is a rather apocalyptic sounding statement Ken. Are you suggesting that the Conservative Group on HBC are preparing to act in a way that would cause damage the Borough in order to secure some sort of political advantage? Or am I misreading you? Perhaps you could expand a little on your theme.

garinda 31-10-2010 12:16

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Any news on the costs of funding the Victorian Swimming Gala?

Checked my pm box, and no information posted in there.

So far.

katex 31-10-2010 12:20

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Just a little about busking Margaret .. even Hebden Bridge has had its opinions on this :):

HebWeb Forum 2010: Busking in Hebden

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 12:29

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Interesting Kate......there will be those who like and those who don't...however those who do not like would not contribute...so if someone is absolute rubbish then they would very soon get the message by their empty hat.

The chap we see regularly in Manchester always draws a crowd, and the crowd is made up of all generations.....most of whom seem to be tapping their feet....and he does get lots of 'contributions' for his great skill and foot tapping music.

The difference we are talking, is cost.
These people draw in interested parties...OK, most have gone to look at the shops too, which is why my comments on a diverse shopping experience(meaning diverse shops, not daft gimmicky 'art') are important too.
Making Accrington a vibrant town that people want to visit, is a multi facetted problem, which requires a multi facetted approach and some flair and imagination. Not a 'that'll do' approach.

garinda 31-10-2010 12:35

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857142)
Interesting Kate......there will be those who like and those who don't...however those who do not like would not contribute...so if someone is absolute rubbish then they would very soon get the message by their empty hat.

The chap we see regularly in Manchester always draws a crowd, and the crowd is made up of all generations.....most of whom seem to be tapping their feet....and he does get lots of 'contributions' for his great skill and foot tapping music.

The difference we are talking, is cost.
These people draw in interested parties...OK, most have gone to look at the shops too, which is why my comments on a diverse shopping experience(meaning diverse shops, not daft gimmicky 'art') are important too.
Making Accrington a vibrant town that people want to visit, is a multi facetted problem, which requires a multi facetted approach and some flair and imagination. Not a 'that'll do' approach.

London has a Busker of the Year competition.

Though I can't find anything similar outside of the capital, or a recognised national competition.

:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 12:37

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=katex;857134][quote=Margaret Pilkington;857075]

Not going to repeat my thoughts on why not again ... except is a very pretty small place that can be walked around in less than a couple of hours. Primarily a tourist town with boat rides on the canal, meeting of two rivers, good centre for hikers, so is successful in this right alone. It's a lovely day out. Always busy ... try finding a place to park on any day of the week ! Lot of shops closed on Tuesdays though.

It takes much less time to walk around the centre of Accrington, and yes I am sure that the canal and the hikes around the area are a big draw to certain types, but many folk who go by car..(or by train) go there because it is a pretty place, with diverse shops......individual shops not the huge multi national chains.
It offers a unique shopping experience,it is a lovely meeting place and it is a very enjoyable day out.
Why can't Accrington do the same?
What do they do so well that we can't accomplish, but in our own way?

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 12:41

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Never mind...when Tesco opens its doors some time very soon all our troubles will be over...won't they????
(well, unless you have a stall in the indoor market, that is)

garinda 31-10-2010 12:42

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857146)
Not going to repeat my thoughts on why not again ... except is a very pretty small place

Sometimes, because we see it so much, we forget just how attractive Accrington is.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...age-23398.html

garinda 31-10-2010 12:44

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 857144)
London has a Busker of the Year competition.

Though I can't find anything similar outside of the capital, or a recognised national competition.

:rolleyes:


Cost?

Minimal.

Unless the first prize is crocheted.

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 12:49

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Gary those words in italics were from a quote by Katex...just wanted to clarify that for anyone who didn't know.

garinda 31-10-2010 12:53

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857151)
Gary those words in italics were from a quote by Katex...just wanted to clarify that for anyone who didn't know.

Sorry, they were.

I should never have joined in the community art project, The Great Misquote Chain.

:D

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 12:56

Re: The value of public funded art
 
awww, don't worry.... we all transgress sometimes. :)

katex 31-10-2010 12:57

Re: The value of public funded art
 
[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857146][quote=katex;857134]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 857075)


It offers a unique shopping experience,it is a lovely meeting place and it is a very enjoyable day out.
Why can't Accrington do the same?
What do they do so well that we can't accomplish, but in our own way?

I really don't think people visit Hebden Bridge initially for the shops, Margaret, just that it is a very pretty place for a day out. I love sitting in the square having a light lunch in one of the cafes that surround it. There are some great characters walking past.

Bet your ma would love it .. except be aware, lots of steep streets and cobbles.

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2010 13:02

Re: The value of public funded art
 
Yes she would, but I haven't offered to take her because of those steep streets.
She would also love looking at the shops. I know I enjoy them, and of course the lovely places to have lunch.
Years ago I used to visit an old Auntie who lived in Todmorden...she used to take me on the bus and loved shopping there......at the time(I was 11) I thought it was a dire dreadful place...dark, damp and antiquated.
How things change....the place and me!


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