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:D (my Victorian values out on public display once more).:o |
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It's a fact. Flash mobs cannot be described as modern. They could have been ten years ago, when they first happened. They could have been in the sixties, when their precursor, the art happenings, were first produced. A decade latter they are neither cutting edge, innovative, or 'modern'. If you think those long haired louts, the Rolling Stones, are a threat to society, flash mobs might seem shockingly new...and a modern concept. ;) |
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...and the thing that is very relevant to this thread, when they were modern, new, and literally had thousands of people taking part in them...THEY DIDN'T COST A PENNY TO STAGE! Which to some I suppose sounds an old fashioned concept. No wonga being paid to anyone else to produce them. How quaint. :rolleyes: |
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Anyway, I may not reply for a while Yesterday is showing the film The Colditz Story, call it what you will, a touch trivial perhaps but I find we all need to find something to escape to rather than this bullshine! :rolleyes: |
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In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre. Only fair ...at least A-B did try. |
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They'd never have stormed the world, inventing (modern for the time) pop music. Nor those great northern minds, who a few centuries earlier had given the world a very modern industrial revolution. ;) |
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I'm serious by the way. Accy is on many websites as being Chav central. Celebrate and build on the negative Trackie, swimwear, how they'd spend the winnings. It'd get more publicity than a naff, out dated, flash mob. Give, give, give. That's me. ;) |
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...and it would cost very little. A family bucket of K.F.C., every month for a year, for the winner. ;) |
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And while these events don't have to be linked to our heritage, wouldn't it be much better if they were? or am I being a bit old fashioned here? I just think it is all smoke and mirrors, that doesn't do much for our locality, and at a cost that could be better spent elsewhere......only my opinion, you understand. |
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The way to get people back to Accrington is to attract shops that people want to shop in.
If there is a need to put on arty things then do them in the appropriate venue with the right kind of publicity beforehand. We have a wonderful Town Hall that would be perfect for exhibitions or craft type things. Hold antique and Curio fairs......something that is one step up from the flea market. I don't mind buskers...they are individual. Like the chap who plays foot tapping music in the centre of Manchester........I like the pavement artists....again can be seen in Manchester...their skill is amazing. None of this is contrived, and it costs what the passer by is willing to give |
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Please do check the site before you make such sweeping remarks! :) |
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Secondary option, stop Transdev running the X41 to Manchester :D |
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Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer. Quote:
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Bookies .. well, is a fact that more people are gambling due to recession .. can't blame them for jumping on the band wagon, and HBC renting out one of their shops rather than empty. |
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its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.;)
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The trick is not to look too deeply, like an organised impromptu dance it means nothing. ;) |
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Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean. |
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Will ignore your personal insult as usual ... :p |
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Which until very recently wasn't empty at all, pre-refurbishment. It was space taken up by people actually flogging stuff for a living. To people prepared to fork for whatever it was they were selling. The empty space was liberated, and filled by a person paid to make wooly caterpillars. We are told this is 'community art'. Give me a white flag. Let's all surrender. We've been liberated. |
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I don't think HBC own any of the shops in Broadway or Union St/ Arndale Centre but they can stop change of use. It also means they don't dictate the rents but I'm sure they could put pressure on the landlords of the properties to do something. |
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and as mentioned by a previous poster, for the sake of anonymity, we'll call him rindy, it is something like 10 years out of date,(do keep up). Please don't ignore any insult from me personal or otherwise, how else can I claim that my existence has a meaning if not to bring you down a peg or twelve? If I didn't you would become completely unbearable! :hidewall: |
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I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.
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Someone posts a video on a website, with information to descend en masse, at so and so place, on such a day. They are informed that at exactly whatever time, they all do the pre-arranged act, then vanish again, back into the nowhere land. It was supposedly an act of people power, and as such could be described as a happening, and concievably art. That's when it was new, and modern, and cost nothing. Ten years ago. Before it became a bit passe, and used to flog phones, and now that you have to spend a grand, to get someone in, to make it happen. It certainly didn't need... 'much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.' Even those at the scene, who were unaware what was happening, joined in, and did as others around them did. ;) |
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Besides thinking the costs shouldn't come from the public purse, I'm sorry to say this all sounds like the equivalent of 'dad dancing' at weddings.
A lot of effort, but ultimately, and sadly a bit cringe making. |
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:p Think I am one of the people on here who is not blinkered and cares about our town and trying to keep positive instead of the cynical attitude handed out by a group of members on here. Cynicism ought to be the eighth deadly sin; a very unpleasant characteristic. |
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Ha Ha !.. yes, a culling of undesirables (whoever they are) ... that would be quite spectacular and would definintely pull in the crowds of desirables. |
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Now we're getting there. Can we get funding for it ? :D |
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Celebrate our diversity. International Chav/Chavette competition. Observer's Alky of the Year. Best dressed smack head. Childrens' spelling a tattoo competition. Longest term female resident, who can't speak English. Worst kept garden competition. Endless. It just needs creativity. |
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Just checked my Accy Web mail box.
No news of the costs of funding the Victorian Swimming Gala. Thought not. Probably be broadcast publicly this time, rather than by special delivery to myself. Progress, of sorts. When it happens. |
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So, what's been sensible in other posts on here then ? Just criticism .. no concrete suggestions which is what the town needs. |
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It's very difficult to be positive when the people charged with the responsibility of making the decisions don't listen anway :rolleyes: |
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Stop sidetracking. |
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:D But Cynicism is much, much better than art, no hang on, cynicism is, if applied correctly an art form in a class of it's own. Or is that the full monty with Prince Charles dancing in the dole queue? Now that I would turn up to see. |
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Until now I thought you a gentleman. ;) |
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Is fashion art?
No? Still, I'll share this anyway. Chap was approached by a 'local fundraiser' They'd secured funding to hold a Wimmin's Day event at a Town Hall. Part of the funding was one thousand pounds, purely to stage and produce a fashion show. Chap, with some past experience in this sort of nonsense, was asked to help put on the fashion show, having choreographed such things in the past, professionally. Chap turns up at the allotted time, hangs about a bit, then is informed that because of religious beliefs, and him having a winky, the wimmin would not be going in any room with him, to practice walking about like a model etc. Fair enough. Chap goes home. Chap's later informed, by a friend who took part the 'fashion show', who didn't have a winky, it was just a few wimmin, walking about the stage for a few moments, in hats they'd trimmed up. Chap thinks blimey! That sounds a bit like what old ladies do in community centres at Easter, after they've sewn some daffs and a few fluffy chicks on a bonnet, and happens across the land, and costs nowt. No funding required. Chap's left wondering about the worth to the community of such events, and the value of an 'event' that cost a thousand quid, to only partly put on. :rolleyes: |
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Wandering alone has never been a problem for me Less. Cashy is a gentleman and probably tired like myself.:D If I can face this onslaught of verbal, wandering a labyrinth of pages on the Internnet is child's play. Will pick up this discussion tomorrow .. sleep well Citizens ...hope I don't see a guillotine and a row of knitters (hmmm .. idea springs to mind) in the centre next week with my name on the head basket. xx |
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Though not something I'd so rudely and dismissevly label as 'disgusting' myself. |
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I'm only passing on this information, from a 'close friend', to illustrate the amount of funding that is availavle to produce these wonderful community extravaganzas. |
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Oh yes, it was Nero fiddling, whilst Rome burned. Do keep up. Sweet dreams x. :D |
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Well, who would have thought it? Still at least we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that such a thing would never happen in our little patch of nirvana. :confused: |
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I do (like and) admire Gayle's dogged determination to get things done, and I still think you're a sweetheart. Sleep well. I hope your dreams are beautifully choreographed x :D |
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Id trust this 'close friend' with my life. :rolleyes: |
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It could never happen here. Folks round here aren't that daft. :rolleyes: |
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How very dare you. You know full well I, whoops, we, are schizophrenic. :):):):):) me-us-us-us |
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useyourhead, great harwood says...
'Maybe they could crochet some hats to hand out to our elderly who can no longer afford to heat their houses!' Hyndburn arts scheme spends £2,500 on crochet sculpture (From Lancashire Telegraph) All very well coming up with fancy ways in which wool can be used. But is it art, and would that simplistic approach secure funding? :rolleyes: |
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The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. ~George Bernard Shaw |
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[quote=katex;856946]Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.
Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer. Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington. :D Kate, there may be lots of technique in this kind of dance, but it doesn't have the same cultural kudos(I was looking for another word here, but I am having a 'grey moment') as the other forms of dance I mentioned.(gravitas, was the word I was looking for) And while Heritage maybe isn't what the thread is about, perhaps if it was more linked to our area heritage it would have more people coming to see it........just a thought, you understand....after all, I am a bit like DaveinGermany...a bit of a cultural pygmy. That said, I do know what I like.....it has to be easy on the ears and pleasant to look at. As for the buskers in Manchester......well, I don't think that you can equate them with beggars.......don't they have to have a licence......so what they actually are, is performers....being paid by the general public who find their work pleasing....no-one grabs you by your purse and makes you pay....you only do that if you like what they do....and many folk do. You asked for alternatives...I gave you some. I also agree with other posters who feel that the rent and rates should be a little more economical...this would perhaps bring in some individual shops. These days where-ever you go all the town centres have the same shops....selling pretty much the same stuff.......so to go somewhere that has smaller more interesting/specialist shops could work. Check out Hebden Bridge....it has a plethora of interesting shops. |
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I am probably a cynic too, except I prefer to call it realism.
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Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion. |
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Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded? As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen. It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country. |
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I tried to type something like this last night but couldn't get my words right so I scrapped it :) We can't compete with the bigger towns and cities in terms of footfall for big retail giants, lets be different, after all smaller independent retailers don't need the same massive footfall to pay thier shareholders. They just need a system which gives them chance to operate |
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The Great Misquote Community Chain Parade. ;). |
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Cynically, I'm not taking part, as I'm unsure as to it's value. :D |
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Giving Peter ideas like that is tantamount to giving the green light for an exclusive Cabinet 'fact finding mission' to somewhere like Monaco or St Tropez. |
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In her defence, Gayle has mentioned on here how we could look to the sucess of Hebden Bridge...years ago.
I remember because I unearthed the information that it has the highest density of lesbians, outside of London. :D |
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Surely if I, (as a lowly retired person) can see this, there must be others far better educated than me,(and in positions of influence) who can see this and work out some way of making it happen here....rather than this gimmicky flim flam which does nothing concrete or lasting to improve, invigorate or promote the town. |
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No, No, No Ken. We are not talking fact finding missions to St Trop. Just Hebden Bridge....and he can go on the bus, no limosine...let him do the 'common peoples' trip out. And before he thinks of taking an entourage, it needs no more than four people....someone to look at the financial angle...someone who can spot the trends, someone to take notes and someone to keep the whole lot of them in budget and on track....I would volunteer for that job and do it free! |
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I will participate in the community art project, The Great Misquote Community Chain. :D |
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We're entering the endgame for Hyndburn Conservative control, welcome to the Scorched Earth era, the very policy that Jaysay bangs on endlessly about the last Labour government having adopted earlier this year. The infamous treasury note was hardly our finest hour but will the Tory faithful defend the same approach in Hyndburn? |
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If we now have a scorthed earth spending policy in Hyndburn, that too is an appalling state of affairs. |
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sense is what I deal in...there is no worthier coin.
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No don't answer that Ken. I have a feeling that I won't like the answer. |
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Nowt! :D |
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Any news on the costs of funding the Victorian Swimming Gala?
Checked my pm box, and no information posted in there. So far. |
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Just a little about busking Margaret .. even Hebden Bridge has had its opinions on this :):
HebWeb Forum 2010: Busking in Hebden |
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Interesting Kate......there will be those who like and those who don't...however those who do not like would not contribute...so if someone is absolute rubbish then they would very soon get the message by their empty hat.
The chap we see regularly in Manchester always draws a crowd, and the crowd is made up of all generations.....most of whom seem to be tapping their feet....and he does get lots of 'contributions' for his great skill and foot tapping music. The difference we are talking, is cost. These people draw in interested parties...OK, most have gone to look at the shops too, which is why my comments on a diverse shopping experience(meaning diverse shops, not daft gimmicky 'art') are important too. Making Accrington a vibrant town that people want to visit, is a multi facetted problem, which requires a multi facetted approach and some flair and imagination. Not a 'that'll do' approach. |
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Though I can't find anything similar outside of the capital, or a recognised national competition. :rolleyes: |
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Not going to repeat my thoughts on why not again ... except is a very pretty small place that can be walked around in less than a couple of hours. Primarily a tourist town with boat rides on the canal, meeting of two rivers, good centre for hikers, so is successful in this right alone. It's a lovely day out. Always busy ... try finding a place to park on any day of the week ! Lot of shops closed on Tuesdays though. It takes much less time to walk around the centre of Accrington, and yes I am sure that the canal and the hikes around the area are a big draw to certain types, but many folk who go by car..(or by train) go there because it is a pretty place, with diverse shops......individual shops not the huge multi national chains. It offers a unique shopping experience,it is a lovely meeting place and it is a very enjoyable day out. Why can't Accrington do the same? What do they do so well that we can't accomplish, but in our own way? |
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Never mind...when Tesco opens its doors some time very soon all our troubles will be over...won't they????
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Cost? Minimal. Unless the first prize is crocheted. |
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Gary those words in italics were from a quote by Katex...just wanted to clarify that for anyone who didn't know.
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I should never have joined in the community art project, The Great Misquote Chain. :D |
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awww, don't worry.... we all transgress sometimes. :)
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Yes she would, but I haven't offered to take her because of those steep streets.
She would also love looking at the shops. I know I enjoy them, and of course the lovely places to have lunch. Years ago I used to visit an old Auntie who lived in Todmorden...she used to take me on the bus and loved shopping there......at the time(I was 11) I thought it was a dire dreadful place...dark, damp and antiquated. How things change....the place and me! |
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