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Sorry, I was going to mention the word priceless in the quoted post, to keep us all on thread.

:rolleyes:

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The elections are private though not public votes :rolleyes:

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well ya can tell which way i voted, cos all the same.:hehetable

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I see Accy Web as a little virtual village.

This poll is like sitting in the village hall, having a show of hands, after having a discussion, following the question about the funding of community art projects.

I'm a great believer in transparency, just like the culture minister.

Talking of which, anyone heard how much the Victorian Swimming Gala has been awarded in funding costs...yet?

:rolleyes:

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Difficult one that G, think gayles either sinking or swimming.:D

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Yes I have

I posted before that I will tell you after the event.

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Must be great to have friends in such exalted positions of power.

But it still doesn't answer the question as to why the funding costs of the flash mob were 'released', before the event had taken place.

Which rather makes a mockery of the excuse that the event's worth to us should be decided upon after it has taken place.

If, as the culture minister said last weekend, that there should be transparency regarding publicly funded arts, it seems rather churlish not to give the tax payer who've funded it, all the information now.

Instead the information has to be requested under the Freedom of Information Act, Taking up the valuable time of some poor sod at H.B.C., and with the probability that the costings might be in the public arena before the event, anyway.

There's nothing like transparency.

Sadly, this is nothing like it.

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Nothing like that at all.
A friend told me about it privately so it will stay private.

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I have just been informed that Area Councils have no intention of paying anyone to switch on any Christmas lights in Hyndburn.

Re: Publicly funded art - the poll.
 

Oh to have such friends.

Ones willing to pass on information to other friends, but no one beyond the hallowed circle.

The fact that the government said last weekend that there should be transparency, regarding publicly funded art schemes, is neither here nor there, apparently.

When some over worked council employee has scurried about long enough, and supplied the information people want to know, thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, which might well be before the event has happened, then we will ALL be in a position to decide the worth, and value to us, of the Victorian Swimming Gala.

As an exercise in good P.R., the continued scilence is one more badly thought out idea.

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Poor Vicky Entwistle.

She did the ones in Ossy the other year, and could probably have done with the wonga, now she's leaving Corrie.

Still, I always be here for her. Her first love, from Sunday school.


:D

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Ah the good old days G the good old days:D

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Rather than urinate money away on paying for some z-rate celebrity to switch on the Christmas lights, why don't we get some of the old boys from the local Royal British Legion to switch 'em on? Maybe combine them with a couple of local young lads from the D o L's who have just got back from Afgan?

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I have just voted and, of course, in favour of public funding for the arts... has already suffered under the cuts anyway. ;)

Let's knock it on the head, shall we ? Nothing to our Institutions like the wonderful Science Museums, Galleries, British Museum and not forgetting smaller projects throughout the country of theatres and history museums of our lost industrial efforts, which are beyond the Metropolis of London.

We will now have to charge people for entering these establishments, so the poorer in our society will find it difficult if children in tow ... affecting the poorer.

Rely on patrons ... restricting their innovative artistic ability as they will have to feel restricted to remain in conservative gear.

Who will stroll into Haworth Art Gallery knowing there will be an entry fee ?

Ok ... next. Should we support Sports ?

Yes, I still would, even though (apart from swimming pools.. don't want our kids drowning in the local cut), can't see any advantage that a 20 minute walk wouldn't do to our health and safety.

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At least that over worked employee should have a fairly safe job in these iffy times

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I do not mind paying to go into an art gallery or a museum...because I have the choice.......If I can't afford it, then I can't go in.......that doesn't stop it being available for those who do have the money and want to spend it in such a manner.(which is, in effect an illustration of an observation I made much earlier.....you don't go to the pictures when you need to pay the rent or buy bread).

I would have been very surprised had you voted against the value of public art, as you have vociferously defended it.

It seems that the crux of the matter is that people feel that the money that could feasibly be used for other things, and at a time when money is in short supply the planned events seem to find little public favour.

There appears to have been no public consultation over the type of events to promote the town......maybe consultation would have had logistical problems...I don't know.

I have said all I want to on this subject, and feel that it is exhausted now. I will contribute nothing further to this thread.

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sorry Kate thats not what she said at all, no need to get bitchy about it, yeh would make a good politician, there good at twisting things.:rolleyes:

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Who told you that?

The same friend, or have you two?



'AN East Lancashire council is considering mergers, reviewing job vacancies and delaying start dates for new employees to save vital funds'.

'Hyndburn Council is in discussions after it was revealed it must save over £4million in three years due to Government funding cuts.'
We?re in the dark: town hall staff fears over cuts (From This Is Lancashire)

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As usual, Katex, you are all confused. No one here is arguing about reintroducing admission charges for public galleries and museums; after all, the last time that was tried the cost of administering the admission fees worked out greater than the revenue collected.

The issue is about public money being sometimes spent on commissioning what is hilariously called 'art' and the simple litmus test is would you as an individual fork out lots of money (if you had it) to have something hung over the fireplace next to the ducks. I have no doubt that if you had a couple of million to spare you would quite happily place a Pre-Raphaelite Millais or Rossetti up there but I doubt if you would stick Tracey Emmin's tent on the wall.

That same principle applies to those entrusted with the public purse and the decisions made in spending money on our behalf on art works. You can be an idiot and recognise rubbish so why can't these people who sign the cheque book?

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Not quite sure how you see I have twisted this, Cashy. Public funded art has made it free to view .. and, if not in place, with lack of funds will not give certain sections of our society the freedom to do this.

Your use of the wordy 'bitchy' is extremely deriding and sexist... I like to think that Margaret and I have crossed opinions on here many times, but always have respect and likening for each other.

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I'm sure this one person, out of the hundreds of people who are in the employ of H.B.C., will sleep more soundly in their bed tonight, now that you've passed on this prophecy regarding their job safety.

Not for them, the very real worry that the cuts, that WILL be made, will result in the termination of employment.

I posted it earlier, but I've often repeated myself on here before, so what the heck...

Nero fiddled, whilst Rome burned.

Accrington made things out of wool, funded by the council tax payer, whilst the borough faced the biggest financial crisis, and savage cuts, in living memory.

In my opinion only a fool would think this a worthy, and valuable, use of expenditure.

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what a very bitchy thread this has turned out to be

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So you wouldn't want to shop in a state funded fashion store?

I believe the Chinese did it, under Chairman Mao.

Ok it may have been a little drab, but there were some nice collar details on those little suits.

State funded woolcraft.

Not that much difference, except you can't really wear a wooly caterpillar, that successfully.

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington View Post
I do not mind paying to go into an art
Exactly .. you can afford it... lucky you.

above what ya added in red is how i see it kate, as fer bitchy being deriding n sexist it aint meant that way at all, its how i talk, as i think ya well know, so to me by using that yer twisting it again.:p

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My own opinion is that I believe passinately in what I'm posting.

I don't think it's bitching by posting that there will be cuts in services, and jobs, here in Hyndurn. Just after we've spent thousands of pounds of tax payers' money on community art projects.

I totally believe that is wrong, and if saying so is 'bitching', I'll carry on doing it until I draw my last breath.

As stated earlier, if companies like Camalot want to channel some of their profits into such things, and fund them 100%, not a problem to me at all.

Though I might pass on my musings as to their artistic worth, if they're put into the public arena. Some might even consider my critique bitchy.

What I'd say to that is that what's bitchy to some, is the plain truth to others.

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You mentioned costs, but it was lost because you posted it on Margaret's quote.

We now know some of the costs.

Some we don't.

We are to be informed of those after a particular event, the Victorian Swimming Gala, for example..

Though goodness alone knows why?

:rolleyes:

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There's one thing.

This thread's been exceptionally good value for money, being free.

(Cue Less, and the running costs involved with Accy Web, and more people should quite rightly consider making a donation to it.)

Nevertheless, well done Gayle, for starting such a thought provoking, worthy, and valuable thead.

We'll get back to you as to the value of the Victorian Swimming Gala, when the funding costs are made public, rather than whispered to a chosen few.

:rolleyes:

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That was hardly fair nor relevent to the thread now was it?
:confused:

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Wasn't having a go.

Thought it was a valid point.

You do remind us that this forum does have running costs. Quite rightly so, in my opinion. So I'd have been wrong to post that it was 'free', unlike community arts, to which I compared it.

Besides you most unprofessionally missed your cue, so we're removing your state funded theatre subsidy.

;):D

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I do mention the running costs, I would have thought you would have noticed the type of person I mention them to.
Comparing the running costs of the site to any of the projects mentioned in the thread just doesn't seem relevant though.
The site can hardly be classed as arty farty nor does it have a hope in he'll of ever getting money from the public purse.:o

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Never say never.

This site seems to be quite a hub for a large amount of the Accrington online community, I'd rather have given you £591k than try to reinvent the wheel.

How much does Accrington Web actually cost each year and are you getting the donations you need to meet it?

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I aplogise if I've offended you.

I was just pointing out the good value Gayle's thread's turned into, all at very little cost.

You did still miss your cue. So your Waiting for Godot funding has gone for a Burton.

;):D

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Shall I do a 'lovely Debbie McGee'?

Row flares over £591,000 spent on outdated website - Accrington Observer

(Produced with a flourish.)

Now, that's magic.

:rolleyes:

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I would willingly snatch a cheque of 591k out of your hands, THANK YOU, but wouldn't the money be better if it actually went to the site owner who would actually be in a position to use the money FOR the site?:D
As with anything else, there is always a shortfall, however, I think Roy is the person to ask for accurate answers.
(Thanks Rindy, Couldn't have plugged accyweb fund raising without you).;)

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Everyone who works is under constant threat of losing there job in my opinion, I know I am.

If my company decides they need to save money to stay afloat then I could be out the door. This is the same in any business so why should working for HBC be any different?

No such thing as a job for life any more.

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Is your employer currently funding many community art projects?

I agree, many people are fearful the cuts will put their jobs at risk, whichever sector they work in.

Though in the commercial business world, sponsorship is usually one of the first places to make savings, in the hope of protecting jobs.

If a private company had sponsored and funded these project, again, no problem for me.

The fact that council taxes are being spent on commissioning crocheters, and events like the Victorian Swimming Gala, whose costs will only be publicly revealed after the event, causes fear in a great many people.

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'HYNDBURN Council is set to bring in a new redundancy policy as it plans for cuts in local government funding.'

New redundancy policy planned for Hyndburn council (From Blackburn Citizen)

This isn't fear of what might happen.

This is the reality of what is happening.

Still, at least we'll all have a little colour in our lives, thanks to these community art projects, which Hyndburn residents have helped fund.

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Hello...I've missed this. What's the Victorian Swimming Gala all about, then?

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They are involved in community projects yes but not in this area.

Fear is a strong word.

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Victorian Swimming Gala on the streets of Accrington
The final event for Accrington is a Victorian Swimming Gala on Broadway on the 27th November. Accrington and Rossendale College are working in partnership with MarkMark Productions to produce a piece of street theatre which will amuse and surprise passers by as they see people 'swimming' up the main street in Victorian costume.
HYNDBURN ACTIVITY | Creativity Works

Put on by these people...
Markmark Productions - Festival & Street Theatre Company :: Home

Though unlike the other projects, the funding costs involved for swimming down Broadway, are only to be revealed after the event.

Though I can't think why. Especially as the culture minister stated last weekend that we should have transparency when it comes to publicly funded arts.

Odd that.

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I suspect that the cost when known will cause such outrage, that the organisers fear that the event will be sabotaged by protests.

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doubt that if ya work fer Hyndburn council. ;)

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Well I sincerely they stop funding those, if need be, before making any job cuts.

That usually happens in the world of commerce, unlike at some local councils.

'Fear - A feeling of disquiet or apprehension.'

I think fear is a very apt word to use, for people who feel vunerable because of the coming cuts in jobs, and services.

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As I said earlier, because the other funding costs were revealed to the public, so they could assess their worth and value to us, and we aren't to be informed as to the funding costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala event until after it's happened, it could raise questions as to why this event is different form the others.

As an exercise in good public relations, nevermind transparency regarding publicly funded arts, it's a disaster.

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Look, here's garinda seen practising for the event

http://www.playle.com/WHIMZY/2009-02-23/man.jpg

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Sorry, that should read 'sincerely hope'.

Why do I never spot glaring mistakes until the edit button's gone.

:rolleyes::D

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I'm much more modest.

I'd never show so much ankle, and would always keep my head covered, by wearing a hat.

;)

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I'm pretty sure this is the same mob I saw up at Ryddings Park last year when they had the Jazz Bash. They tried to be funny then, but they weren't.

I simply cannot see what the point is of bringing over a bunch of Yorkshire men (no doubt trained at great public expense in France) to lie on their belly and fool around on Broadway on a damp, autumn saturday afternoon. If people do want to watch this sort of caper, then it's available at no cost to the public purse, every friday and saturday evening in the town centre, as various locals swim up the gutters in a sea of Calder and Bees Knees vomit.

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Never seen photos of you with a moustache either:rolleyes:

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Another added value.

The magic of artistic illusion.

It's actually a mirkin, I trimmed a bit off.

;)

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Again I thought you made a typo G, mirkin with an F:D

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Can I just say that I think this is an excellent suggestion. And rather than just a handfull of the lads from the Duke of Lancasters Regiment why not invite the whole regiment and give them the freedom of the borough as well?

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Hear, hear, the best suggestion I have seen for quite some time - arguably the best of all:)

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A superb suggestion, but will any of the Hyndburn council back it and push it! Don't forget, it might offend certain sections of the population. PC rules!

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Do you mean local Pacifists? :confused:

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I did ask, more than once, if the funding costs for the flash mob event was just the £1,000.00 paid to the dance teacher.

Despite what was said, it apparently wasn't.

Total budget is £1,160 and is broken down as follows

Dance prep time x 1 day
9 groups @ £15 per hour
Performance co-ordination
Admin
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Still, it's ONLY an extra hundred and sixty quid.

A piffling amount in the great scheme of things.

Well, as long as it's community art schemes, funded by the tax payer.

Anyone any information regarding the funding costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala...yet?

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Slightly more than Jaysays famous 2 Bob though isn't it?
:)

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public relations

–noun 1. the actions of a corporation, store, government, individual, etc., in promoting goodwill between itself and the public, the community, employees, customers, etc.

2. the art, technique, or profession of promoting such goodwill.

http://www.staggeringstories.net/creatbather.jpg ?

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Yes.

If we are to have transparency regarding publicly funded arts, as the culture minister said we should, there should be full, and frank openess.

Otherwise it isn't transparent at all.

It isn't an art form.

It's very easy to do.

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er when does this "Victorian swimming thing " start anyone got a date i will be there with the camera if i can.
if its supposed to promote Accrington where is all the advertisement for it not seen any in town or the area:confused:

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Strangely enough I was wondering that yesterday :)

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Happy to help in the promotion.

Even if we don't know the funding costs...yet.

Therefore making it difficult assessing the worth and value to us.

Victorian Swimming Gala on the streets of Accrington
The final event for Accrington is a Victorian Swimming Gala on Broadway on the 27th November. Accrington and Rossendale College are working in partnership with MarkMark Productions to produce a piece of street theatre which will amuse and surprise passers by as they see people 'swimming' up the main street in Victorian costume.
HYNDBURN ACTIVITY | Creativity Works

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Perhaps, as a piece of performance 'art', they're hoping to incorporate an element of shock, and suprise.

Much like the funding costs will have, when they're made public.

:eek::rolleyes:

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Its going to be a bit cold for them at this time of year for outdoor swimming

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You'll have somewhere to hang your camera bag then, whilst taking photographs.

If you ask one of the 'swimmers' nicely.

;)

:D

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Is that one of your designs from earlier times G:D

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Not if its a male:D

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I did do a collection for Joseph, that was based on Death in Venice, but those stripes were blue, not red.

:D

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No

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Oh just asking:D:D

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Don't worry.

Totally different type of enterprise, as it was a commercial relationship.

They paid me, then people parted with cash, to buy what was supplied.

No tax payers' money was involved.

Quaint concept, I know.

;)

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It'll never work, Art must be subsidised by Government money, (i.e. the taxpayer), otherwise it isn't art it's a job.
:D

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So thats why "give us a job" is so popular in Liverpool:D

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Guess the illustrations I did for magazines/newspapers, as well as the paintings I sold, don't count as well then.

Damn you, 'Art'.

:rolleyes:

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Just came across this, about the Glee tribute act, who are switching on the lights in Accrington.

"The UK’s number 1 Glee tribute show. See the gang perform all your favourite songs from the hit TV show Glee live on stage. This song and dance spectacular features professionally trained West-End performers..."

Fees from £1000

The Gleek Club - Glee Tribute Act - Henderson Management Agency

From their set list, besides 'Gold Digger' they also sing 'Don’t Stop Believing'.

We won't.
;)

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If that's the criteria for 'Art', that means we'll have to remove Leonardo, Turner, and Picasso from the history of art books.

Leaving us with only Tracey Emin, Knitty Nora, and a few Yorkshire mummers etc.

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Another idea for the Christmas Lights switch on, rather than some pathetic 'Z' list song and dance troupe,how about inviting the young mother who is currently seeking volunteer bone marrow donors. That way if the worst were to happen and a donor could not be found in time, at least her young un's would have a really special memory of their mum. And it would also paint HBC and the borough in a very positive light re 'The Big Society' that mr Cameron makes so much of. Bet she would do it for a lot less than a grand, or probably donate the fee to a charity.

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Garinda...please tell us that you're having a laugh at our expense. You cannot seriously be saying that HBC is now forking out a grand or more on some obscure 'tribute act' to some popular music band that no one has ever heard of?

I know the word Tribute - from the Latin, Tributum,meaning a payment made as a mark of respect or a payment for subserviance. Just what the hell is now going on back in Accy...assuming of course, you're not taking the P?

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I am nearing a state of hysteria, but it can't be classed as proper laughter.

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See Diana Vickers is doing Blackburn.

Had to laugh .. comment on Jeremy Vine (who were discussing this subject), that one of their footballers .. think might be Kevin Davies was doing it for free in return for his bins being emptied free ? Not sure how that works though, all part of the council tax ... will he get a discount ?

Sounds like a good negotiation anyway... LOL

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November 18
Accrington - Town Hall. With Glee tribute act Gleek Club and fireworks display. From 6.30pm.
What's on: Christmas lights switch-ons (From Lancashire Telegraph)

As if I would.

:eek:

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OK....was this expenditure decided in a full council meeting? If not, then who authorised it? Whose signature is on the cheque?

Re: The value of public funded art
 

No idea.

I'm sure someone might tell us.

Now we're living in an era of total transparency, as far as public spending is concerned regarding the arts and leisure.

:rolleyes:

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Sorry, my above post was in Bolton.

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Did it get on the wrong bus?

I hope it gets home soon.

:D

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Har, har .... :p

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Think your spot on with that Bob:mosher:

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Thought it was Kate unless Kevin Davis as signed for Stanley overnight:D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5KpXt22KrM
Will this be the next project:D

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That's a strange looking bucket!

You are having problems with your links aren't you?
:D

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Sorry Less your dry humour has gone straight over my head this time:confused::confused::confused:

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If picked by the public and approved by them yes.

If picked by faceless committee's then no.


End of the day its the publics money therefor their choice.

Unless in Ossy where in the not to distant future there will be a statue of the towns (Ossy) most helpful person.

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Na Spugs Ken Hargreaves is not that pretentious mate

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If I'm supposing correctly, who you mean, I think you'd find there'd suddenly be mass support, and calls to bring back the Panoptican.

:eek::rolleyes::D

Any news how much funding the Victorian Swimming Gala is costing...yet?

Hate to talk about anything so vulgar as money, in a lovely art thread, but I do genuinely think it would help people decide the true value, and worth of such things, if all the available information was in the public domain.

Seems silly to hide the financial costs, when deciding something's value, as the culture minister intimated last weekend, when he said all publicly funded art projects should be transparent, and not hidden from the very people who fund them.

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Personally after reading of £5.500 being spent on a one day (three)cookery demonstrations I would not trust the (nobs) to select anything over a bowl of porridge!

Re: The value of public funded art
 

Let's just be thankful they spent that outrageous amount of money on the real Dildo Silly, and not a tribute act.

:rolleyes::D

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Welcome back, though your input is a little late, how long ago was it both the Telegraph and the Obbo' followed accywebs lead on the above quote?
:)

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I'm so sorry to bring this to your notice, after the closing date, but if you really are interested, it might be worth making a late, last minute bid, in order to secure this funding.

Artist Brief:

We are looking for an artist or arts organisation to deliver a series of workshops to develop and deliver a new graffiti wall in Oak Hill park, Accrington.

Initial aims for the project are:

To engage with young people who use the park and are both creating negative graffiti and those who are budding graffiti artists.

To deliver a series of graffiti art works along the wall leaving space to allow future work to take place as a focus and contained area for the young people’s artwork.

Duration and Requirements:

The project budget is £2,000.00 in total

Artist collaborator wanted for Oak hill Park, Accrington | Lancashire Artists Network

Good luck.

Fingers crossed.

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Wanted -

Funding to secure large tank of formaldehyde, suitable for a seventeen stone work of art.

Desperatley needed by creative type, rapidly losing the will to live.