Originally Posted by Eric (Post 961903)

Just when I thought that there were fewer and fewer differences between your tories and "new" Labour, along comes Lord Astor with this gem: talking of the HS2 rail network, he says that it is a plot by "Northern Labour MPs who relish the thought of the beauty of the Chilterns being destroyed":eek: A furore normannorum libera nos domine.":rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 962116)

Lord Astor..that can't be "call me Dave's" father inlaw :D

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 962131)

To be fair though, he might have a point. If HS2 is ever built it will cost a fortune to travel on it.
I recently priced up a business trip from Accrinton to London with both Rail and Air.
If I flew from Manchester, I could leave Accrington Station at the same time, transfer trains to and from airports. It was quicker than getting the train and over £100.00 less. In the end I went by car, for more flexibility.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962703)

C'mon and Mancie....are you heartbroken?
cut to the quick even??
I see that neither of you has deigned to comment on the speech by Ed Balls( Shadow Chancellor) to the Fabian Society yesterday.
The one in which he accepts the public sector pay freeze(and says that if Labour were re-elected) they would stay in place, that he supports the cuts made by the coalition and that they(the Labour party) could give no guarantees that they would reverse any of the changes brought in by the current government.
Isn't this a tacit approval of the fiscal policies implemented by George Osborne....saying that what the coalition has done to improve the financial position of the UK, is the right thing...without actually uttering those words?

I will understand if neither of you want to comment because your emotions are just too raw right now.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 962748)

I was going to mention that this morning Margaret, but I was waiting for Cmon to put the link on from the Guardian, it seems that George Osborne was right all along, well he must have been seeing that the two Eds now endorse the policy;)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 962703)

C'mon and Mancie....are you heartbroken?
cut to the quick even??
I see that neither of you has deigned to comment on the speech by Ed Balls( Shadow Chancellor) to the Fabian Society yesterday.
The one in which he accepts the public sector pay freeze(and says that if Labour were re-elected) they would stay in place, that he supports the cuts made by the coalition and that they(the Labour party) could give no guarantees that they would reverse any of the changes brought in by the current government.
Isn't this a tacit approval of the fiscal policies implemented by George Osborne....saying that what the coalition has done to improve the financial position of the UK, is the right thing...without actually uttering those words?

I will understand if neither of you want to comment because your emotions are just too raw right now.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 962808)

It's a surprise but there's no way Labour can support all cuts.. there have to be some cuts such as the Public Sector pay freeze..but if they back the Welfare and NHS "reforms" then there really would be no point voting for them.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 962808)

It's a surprise but there's no way Labour can support all cuts.. there have to be some cuts such as the Public Sector pay freeze..but if they back the Welfare and NHS "reforms" then there really would be no point voting for them.