Boston Bombing

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Back on thread..

So the southern gun totin' state of Arkansas has this guy who is the gun totin' Republican state representative called Nate Bell. And in the middle of a city wide manhunt/curfew in Boston involving a dangerous bomber tweets from the bottom of his hillbilly redneck heart :-

"I wonder how many Boston liberals spent the night cowering in their homes wishing they had an AR-15 with a hi-capacity magazine?"

Cue, cheering, backslapping tweets from the stereotypical banjo playing, single toothed clampetts of the minor legislative state with very little political clout.

Four hours later after a political backside thrashing from the big boys in the Republican party he posts...

"I would like to apologize to the people of Boston & Massachusetts for the poor timing of my tweet earlier this morning. As a staunch and unwavering supporter of the individual right to self defense, I expressed my point of view without thinking of its effect on those still in time of crisis. In hindsight, given the ongoing tragedy that is still unfolding, I regret the poor choice of timing. Please know that my thoughts and prayers were with the people of Boston overnight and will continue as they recover from this tragedy."

So he's a muppet and an idiot, but he's also a jobsworth coward who has buckled under pressure, sold his supporters down the river and does not even have the courage of his own convictions. He'll go far in politics

All well and good Guinness, but you forgot to make allowances for him being American

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Sorry for delayed response BG.
I was listening to the Boston police radio transmissions last night, as were many thousands of others. The city was under martial law - curfew, house searches and 'stop and search' of anyone on the streets. It was an interesting insight into how martial law is implemented.

A year ago the New York Times exposed the F.B.I. as 'terrorist facilitators'.
It is looking increasingly likely that Boston bombing was in this category, but I have not yet finished websearching for opinions about it. One particular viewpoint was provided by a retired senior army officer - video below.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...anted=all&_r=0
extract -
"But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested. "


A retired Lieutenant Colonel in the Army weighs in on Boston. - YouTube

Listening to the Boston police radio I've heard it all now,

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Listening to the Boston police radio I've heard it all now,

More interesting than watching X factor and such tripe.

[Boeing Guy]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

More interesting than watching X factor and such tripe.

Very true, Margaret you make an interesting point, entrapment, which is what the NY Times is talking about, is a very dangerous area.
Of course if the suspect is going to commit a crime and you happen to infiltrate the group, how far do you go?

The FBI, DEA and even the AFT have used deep undercover officers for many years, one of the most high profile was Donnie Brasco (Joe Pistone, his real name) who was deep undercover for 6 years in the Mafia.

This is a grey area, unfortunately there are people out there trying to kill us, because we happen to have a different viewpoint from them, we cannot allow this to happen, so something must be done.

We could carry this debate on all by itself.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

More interesting than watching X factor and such tripe.

X factor, do me a favour, if they were filming in the front garden I'd close the curtains and ring the police to report a disturbance. My TV of Choice is the Discovery channels on Sky, very little else is ever on my box, when I'm not on here, mind you I'm not a masochist

[cashman]

Seems they caught the other un alive, so that could be a result, get the info before they top him.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

Seems they caught the other un alive, so that could be a result, get the info before they top him.

The guy whose boat he was hiding in must have been the only guy in Boston without a gun or I reckon the perp' would be dead already.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Seems they caught the other un alive, so that could be a result, get the info before they top him.

Its a good job he's been caught in America, if he'd been here he'd be out on bail now, claiming human rights

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

The guy whose boat he was hiding in must have been the only guy in Boston without a gun or I reckon the perp' would be dead already.

If you were in that position and had a gun Mr. D. could you have shot him, I know I certainly could, come near me and mine and suffer the consequences.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

The guy whose boat he was hiding in must have been the only guy in Boston without a gun or I reckon the perp' would be dead already.

Why kill him - that would rob people of justice and surely part of them being able to deal with what he's done is to hopefully see him in court and hear the why's and wherefore's! I'm sure you'd feel worse off if those who blew off your leg we're just shot dead and thus not made to account to justice!

[Less]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Why kill him - that would rob people of justice and surely part of them being able to deal with what he's done is to hopefully see him in court and hear the why's and wherefore's! I'm sure you'd feel worse off if those who blew off your leg we're just shot dead and thus not made to account to justice!

Still stirring the pot I see, do you really believe in justice?

The innocent victims didn't get any.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Why kill him - that would rob people of justice and surely part of them being able to deal with what he's done is to hopefully see him in court and hear the why's and wherefore's! I'm sure you'd feel worse off if those who blew off your leg we're just shot dead and thus not made to account to justice!

Quite a valid point actually Kes. For what he's done it's pretty certain the States will definitely pass a severe sentence. Now had the guy whose boat it was & who found him had suffered a personal loss due to the actions of this creature, it's almost certain the outcome would have been different. Maybe not to the extreme of killing him, but Harbours & Marinas are treacherous places & a severe fall resulting in broken limbs & face can't be ruled out.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Why kill him - that would rob people of justice and surely part of them being able to deal with what he's done is to hopefully see him in court and hear the why's and wherefore's! I'm sure you'd feel worse off if those who blew off your leg we're just shot dead and thus not made to account to justice!

100% Kx...my comment was aimed at the right to bear arms majority over there.

[accyman]

liek iv said before take him to the scene of the bombing and publicly execute him in the street infront of those who wish to watch

those who dont need not attend

[Eric]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Why kill him - that would rob people of justice and surely part of them being able to deal with what he's done is to hopefully see him in court and hear the why's and wherefore's! I'm sure you'd feel worse off if those who blew off your leg we're just shot dead and thus not made to account to justice!

He may not make it into court. At least, not in the ususal way. It's worth noting that he has not been read his Miranda rights on the basis of what the US authorities call a "public safety exemption". This means that he does not have "the right to remain silent." Nor does he have the right to an attorney. Also, some Republicans are calling for him to be declared "an enemy combatant" ... this means ... well, you can figure it out.