David Davis wins by-election

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Eric

Sorry for the wander on a serious topic, but it is not worth a thread of its own.

don't worry mate neither was David Davis. pmsl.

[blazey]

[quote=SPUGGIE J;605192]Yo you 2 when are you getting wed? quote]

Not sure when, but I reckon we might be able to set up a few webcams and sort out some live broadcasting for you all.

There are plenty of other people who support the same political party. We aren't going to get married just because we support the Conservative Party. I usually end up with the socialists anyway

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by andrewb

I used the term we as in the country, because government does things on our behalf.

I think we're left in a mess with rail yes. Until an alternative I like is proposed, I don't support privatisation of the rail network.

As far as energy companies are concerned, prices are rising all over the world, not just in the UK. You have to ask yourself what government can do to help the consumer though, for example with petrol I think government should lower the tax it takes as the price rises, so that the consumer is less hurt by the rises.

Souldnt this be in 'Ask a Tory'?

he he tory does a u-turn you are goin against the so called ideoligies of your party so your not a real toryagainst privatisationif past goverment had nationalised the north sea oil industry we wouldnt be in the mess we are now...

[SPUGGIE J]

[quote=blazey;605977]

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Yo you 2 when are you getting wed? quote]

Not sure when, but I reckon we might be able to set up a few webcams and sort out some live broadcasting for you all.

There are plenty of other people who support the same political party. We aren't going to get married just because we support the Conservative Party. I usually end up with the socialists anyway

Blast you 2 would make the Accy web equivelent of the Clintons. Besides think of the arguments you could have with a socislist.

[Wynonie Harris]

It's right in front of your face and you can't see it, can you, Cyfr?

The vast majority of people who have posted on this thread think Davis's gesture was a waste of time and aren't worried about 42 days detention for suspected terrorists. Do you think that the cross-section of humanity we call Accyweb is somehow different from the British public at large?

And why aren't your Conservative colleagues on Accyweb rushing in to support your view? They're all remarkably quiet, aren't they? Could it be that the likes of Jaysay and co are actually in favour of 42 days detention...or perhaps more?

One of these days, Cyfr, you're going to have to come out of your cosy little dreamworld - it's going to be one hell of a shock for you when you do!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

It's right in front of your face and you can't see it, can you, Cyfr?

The vast majority of people who have posted on this thread think Davis's gesture was a waste of time and aren't worried about 42 days detention for suspected terrorists. Do you think that the cross-section of humanity we call Accyweb is somehow different from the British public at large?

And why aren't your Conservative colleagues on Accyweb rushing in to support your view? They're all remarkably quiet, aren't they? Could it be that the likes of Jaysay and co are actually in favour of 42 days detention...or perhaps more?

One of these days, Cyfr, you're going to have to come out of your cosy little dreamworld - it's going to be one hell of a shock for you when you do!

57% of the public in a poll support Davis's decision to force a by-election, 32% don't support it and 11% don't care either way. When he resigned 69% of people supported 42 days, 4 weeks later, just 36% support it. I am not in a dream world.

I just care about innocent people being locked up for 1000 hours without knowing why, without being charged, without having any evidence against them, and with the prospect of it increasing in the future, as 42 days was not necessary but it was passed, so why not 52, 62, 82. You're perfectly entitled not to care, but please don't try and suggest that others don't!

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by andrewb

57% of the public in a poll support Davis's decision to force a by-election, 32% don't support it and 11% don't care either way. When he resigned 69% of people supported 42 days, 4 weeks later, just 36% support it. I am not in a dream world.

I just care about innocent people being locked up for 1000 hours without knowing why, without being charged, without having any evidence against them, and with the prospect of it increasing in the future, as 42 days was not necessary but it was passed, so why not 52, 62, 82. You're perfectly entitled not to care, but please don't try and suggest that others don't!

Is he going to resign next month and fight a by-election on knife crime, or does he not care that rather than people losing 42 days of their lives, they will lose all of it ?

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by andrewb

57% of the public in a poll support Davis's decision to force a by-election, 32% don't support it and 11% don't care either way. When he resigned 69% of people supported 42 days, 4 weeks later, just 36% support it. I am not in a dream world.

Yes, you are in a dream world if you believe dodgy poll statistics. Just step out of your student debating society and into the real world for awhile. Look at the views expressed on here, or even better, go and ask the members in a few Tory clubs how concerned they are about the 42 day rule...I think you'll soon get your answer!

Incidentally, I see that others who have declared themselves to be Conservatives on here are still conspicuously failing to support your views (although Roy has promised to say something on the subject at some point)...funny that.

Oh to be in Cyfrworld now that summer's here!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Yes, you are in a dream world if you believe dodgy poll statistics. Just step out of your student debating society and into the real world for awhile. Look at the views expressed on here, or even better, go and ask the members in a few Tory clubs how concerned they are about the 42 day rule...I think you'll soon get your answer!

Incidentally, I see that others who have declared themselves to be Conservatives on here are still conspicuously failing to support your views (although Roy has promised to say something on the subject at some point)...funny that.

Oh to be in Cyfrworld now that summer's here!

So you say the polls done by official polling companies, are dodgy. You say the poll done by ConservativeHome is dodgy. You clearly think everyone on the streets of Haltemprice and Howden are fibbing. Labour MP's, Liberal MP's, who came to help didn't care, heck I guess Bob Geldof didn't care.

You must be right because a couple of Tories haven't come on here to agree with me. The other couple of thousand are anomalies.

Why let the facts ruin a good story eh.

[Wynonie Harris]

Cyfr, I regard opinion polls with the utmost scepticism (and certainly one run by an organisation called ConservativeHome!). After all, the opinion polls predicted that Labour was going to win in 1992. As for the people you talked to in Davis's constituency, I think they told a naive young lad what he wanted to hear. I live in the ordinary, everyday world and not in the rarified atmosphere of student politics and I know that whether a suspected terrorist is locked up for 28 days or 43 days is way, way down on people's list of priorities at the moment - and that includes most Conservative supporters!

[Wynonie Harris]

Actually, Cyfr, David Davis did achieve something. The Beauties for Britain candidate was so smitten with him that she's decided to vote Tory at the next election. Result!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Cyfr, I regard opinion polls with the utmost scepticism (and certainly one run by an organisation called ConservativeHome!). After all, the opinion polls predicted that Labour was going to win in 1992. As for the people you talked to in Davis's constituency, I think they told a naive young lad what he wanted to hear. I live in the ordinary, everyday world and not in the rarified atmosphere of student politics and I know that whether a suspected terrorist is locked up for 28 days or 43 days is way, way down on people's list of priorities at the moment - and that includes most Conservative supporters!

It was real politics not textbook politics. The polls that I quoted were correct on Crewe and Nantwich & Henley, using new techniques not used in 1992. The ConservativeHome guy that did the poll was one of the few in support of 42 days, so had no reason to 'corrupt' the poll.

I'm sure you're too high on your non-student horse to accept it though so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Wynonie Harris]

You can quote opinion poll statistics at me all night, Cyfr, they mean zilch to me. I know that in the little slice of the real world that I move in - in the pubs, at work, listening to people talking on the bus, on Accyweb - the vast majority of people are not concerned about suspected terrorists being locked up for 42 days. In fact, many (including many Conservatives) would like to see them locked up for longer! Now, I can hear you saying "but that's hardly a scientific survey" and you're right. But it is an average cross-section of English life and, in my opinion, symptomatic of the mood of the country.

And now I shall be away on my non-student high horse to solicit a few more opinions in the pub...all in the name of political research!

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

You can quote opinion poll statistics at me all night, Cyfr, they mean zilch to me. I know that in the little slice of the real world that I move in - in the pubs, at work, listening to people talking on the bus, on Accyweb - the vast majority of people are not concerned about suspected terrorists being locked up for 42 days. In fact, many (including many Conservatives) would like to see them locked up for longer! Now, I can hear you saying "but that's hardly a scientific survey" and you're right. But it is an average cross-section of English life and, in my opinion, symptomatic of the mood of the country.

And now I shall be away on my non-student high horse to solicit a few more opinions in the pub...all in the name of political research!

Obviously, I'm not an expert on this 42 day thing .... but I do get the sense that some are cofusing "suspected" and "innocent". Or the fact that "innocent until proven guilty" does not really mean that .... it does in a strict legal sense, but in a real sense it makes no sense at all. The crime does not leap into reality at the time the jury hands down its verdict. I think that "suspect" is used in the same sense that scientists use "theory". I do not see that the English police will randomly arrest Pakistanis and throw them in the slammer for 42 days just for the hell of it.

Hey, and while you are doing your research in the pub, have a couple for me.

[Wynonie Harris]

Well, after asking in the pub last night and at work this morning, I have yet to find anybody who is supportive of David Davis and is concerned about suspected terrorists being locked up for 42 days rather than 28 (comments ranged from "I've more things to worry about" to "I'd lock 'em up for longer.").

So where are all these people from Cyfr's polls?...have you come across them anywhere?