How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum? - Page 17

andrewb · 23-10-2011, 21:20

Graham, you say you agree with renegotiating powers, well that's an option in tomorrow's proposal. Come on, vote for it.

garinda · 24-10-2011, 06:58

'Nearly three-quarters of all voters want their MP to vote according to his or her personal view, and not slavishly follow Cameron's or Miliband's whips.'

75 per cent Britons want nation to quit EU membership: Poll - Economic Times

garinda · 24-10-2011, 07:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

I'd like to ask our M.P., Graham Jones, just one, very simple question.

Since there seems to be many people, both nationwide, and locally, who think the way we are governed as fundamentally changed, and who'd like the chance to give their opinion on the matter, and their thoughts taken into consideration.

Other than to toe the party line, can you give us one good reason why not to vote that we should have a referendum on this issue?

Just one.

Do we take the fact that this question hasn't been answered, that there isn't one good reason why the people shouldn't be allowed a referendum?

Benipete · 24-10-2011, 08:48

Mr Ed is forcing labour MP's to vote as he says or face disciplinary action.Socialism at It's best.

R.I.P. Democracy.

Did we really fight 2 world wars for our freedom??

jaysay · 24-10-2011, 09:01

I had to smile this morning watching Breakfast TV, a Tory back bench MP stated that every one of his constituents who contacted him regarding Europe wanted him to vote for a referendum, whilst a Government minister said that traveling round constituencies people are not interested in Europe and think its a side issue, people want the government to sort out problems at home, well somebodies telling porky pies and I don't think its the back bench MP

Boeing Guy · 24-10-2011, 09:51

Well Graham you do not deserve the respect that your predecessor had. I have never voted Labour and never will, but I always had time and respect for Greg Pope, he stood his ground and did not cave in.
Sad to see that Graham cannot do that, puts him in the same boat as all the others really.
I wonder if Karen Buckley, remember her, would have done anything differently.

garinda · 24-10-2011, 09:55

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Originally Posted by Benipete

Mr Ed is forcing labour MP's to vote as he says or face disciplinary action.Socialism at It's best.

R.I.P. Democracy.

Did we really fight 2 world wars for our freedom??

No one's holding a gun to anyone's head.

We were lucky last time. With Greg Pope being at least prepared to rebel against his party, because he knew it was the right thing to do for his constituents.

It looks like there won't be one Labour rebel.

Utterly shameful.

As stated earlier, careerist politicans.

More intent on climbling the slippery pole to power and 'glory', than doing what is right for democracy.

Pathetic.

Boeing Guy · 24-10-2011, 10:01

Could not agree more.
So taking it that this will be rejected, how long will it be before the same or similar petition is posted again.
I for one will happily sign it.
After all politicians are there to run the country on our behalf. Something some of them should remember.

jaysay · 24-10-2011, 10:29

I honestly can't get my head around the fact that Graham thinks a referendum would be so close, if the straw pole on here is anything to go by

garinda · 24-10-2011, 10:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I honestly can't get my head around the fact that Graham thinks a referendum would be so close, if the straw pole on here is anything to go by

Three polls actually.

Held over seven years, and all saying the same thing.

That's not even the point.

The arguments, for and against, could come later.

The fact is politicans at Westminster are too afraid to even let the people have their say, on whether or not they want E.U. membership.

Something they've neither been asked, or voted for...ever.

If anyone from the Labour party even attempts to post an election pamphlet through my door anytime soon, be warned.

It'll be rolled up, and given back to you.

Rammed where the sun don't shine.

garinda · 24-10-2011, 10:51

Perhaps someone should start a poll, asking how well represented we feel we are, by our representative at Westminster.

I'm not doing it.

I'm all polled out.

Plus I already know what the poll results would show us.

Tealeaf · 24-10-2011, 11:00

I've just had a look at the parliament website to check on todays order of business. The referendum debate begins at 3.30, so I'm having an early afternoon off and will be warching the debate live on the BBC Parliament channel (81, freeview - I don't know about the others).

But just as a matter of interest, the front page of the Commons website makes quite clear as to what is the job of an MP. It reads as follows:

The UK public elects 650 Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons. MPs consider and propose new laws, and can scrutinise government policies by asking ministers questions about current issues either in the Commons Chamber or in Committees

It seems to me that any MP, therefore who is not representing their interests and concerns is not actually doing his or her job is quite simply taking their substancial salary under false pretences - which, under certain circumstances, is a criminal act.

Here is the Parliament link:

House of Commons - UK Parliament

I'm heading off home now....I think I'll pick up a couple of bottles of claret on the way. I'm looking forward to fireworks.

JCB · 24-10-2011, 17:42

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Well Graham you do not deserve the respect that your predecessor had. I have never voted Labour and never will, but I always had time and respect for Greg Pope, he stood his ground and did not cave in.

In which ways did Greg Pope stand his ground and not cave in ?

Can you recall his voting against the government when he was a whip ?

jaysay · 24-10-2011, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I've just had a look at the parliament website to check on today's order of business. The referendum debate begins at 3.30, so I'm having an early afternoon off and will be watching the debate live on the BBC Parliament channel (81, freeview - I don't know about the others).

But just as a matter of interest, the front page of the Commons website makes quite clear as to what is the job of an MP. It reads as follows:

The UK public elects 650 Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons. MPs consider and propose new laws, and can scrutinise government policies by asking ministers questions about current issues either in the Commons Chamber or in Committees

It seems to me that any MP, therefore who is not representing their interests and concerns is not actually doing his or her job is quite simply taking their substancial salary under false pretences - which, under certain circumstances, is a criminal act.

Here is the Parliament link:

House of Commons - UK Parliament

I'm heading off home now....I think I'll pick up a couple of bottles of claret on the way. I'm looking forward to fireworks.

Well T I don't think you will be hearing from Graham, as I'm nearly sure that being a whip may not allow him to speak on an issue carrying a three line whip, but I could be wrong

Eric · 24-10-2011, 18:03

Ok ... this is a vote on whether or not to hold a referendum .... it isn't a vote on whether or not to leave the EU. I'm suspicious that the politicians are afraid of the referendum because they know that the result could go the wrong way .... "wrong" for them, and "right" for the British people and for democracy. The movement for a referendum is actually getting news coverage over here

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