The Tories

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Lucysgirl

There's none so blind as the millions of Brits over the last few decades who preferred to buy cheaper inferior foreign goods. Because they're inferior, we've become a throw-away society and we've thrown away our neighbours manufacturing jobs. Not only have we imported cheap goods we've imported take away cafe owners, NHS workers, builders, etc. and we even imported a couple of Scots to be our Prime Ministers for over a decade.

That's so simplistic its actually quite near the truth Lucy

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Is that it ? Every time a debate comes along your stock reply is the above Labour & the minimum wage, nothing else, is that all you're magnificent Labour party (of bygone times) has to offer ? If they're so outstanding there must be other attributes you can crow about surely ?

On top of that this present coalition has agreed to a raise in the levels of said minimum wage thereby benefiting more than an estimated 890,000 people.

National Minimum Wage Increases

David Cameron would allow minimum wage to die out - mirror.co.uk remember this and this Minimum wage harming job opportunities for young - Telegraph been here before and what about having to pay a levy before you can take an employer to a tribunal for unfair dismissal Unfair dismissal law change set to save British businesses £6 million a year if you think this is good for workers rights your in dream world.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

David Cameron would allow minimum wage to die out - mirror.co.uk remember this and this Minimum wage harming job opportunities for young - Telegraph been here before and what about having to pay a levy before you can take an employer to a tribunal for unfair dismissal Unfair dismissal law change set to save British businesses £6 million a year if you think this is good for workers rights your in dream world.

The first right a worker needs is the opportunity to work! A lot of good people aren't getting that opportunity so something has got to change.
Then again, a million Poles and East Europeans may be proving me wrong.

[Boeing Guy]

Workers rights! Well let's see, London Tube drivers now earn £50,000 per year, not bad if you can get it comrade.

Pay Deal Could See Tube Drivers’ Pay Top £50k | Londonist

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Workers rights! Well let's see, London Tube drivers now earn £50,000 per year, not bad if you can get it comrade.

Pay Deal Could See Tube Drivers’ Pay Top £50k | Londonist

Pah.

Chicken feed.

Trade union leaders threatening a 'class war' take home 100,000 pay | Metro.co.uk

Only one more step up and they'll be in Blair's New Labour millionaires club.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

David Cameron would allow minimum wage to die out - mirror.co.uk remember this and this Minimum wage harming job opportunities for young - Telegraph been here before and what about having to pay a levy before you can take an employer to a tribunal for unfair dismissal Unfair dismissal law change set to save British businesses £6 million a year if you think this is good for workers rights your in dream world.

So does all this mean that you have lost your job as a government advisor then?

You are a one trick pony.........you think that if Labour were in power they would be doing anything different, because according to their recent conference they were telling us that the cuts and everything the current Coalition (remember coalition - not tory) government were doing they would have done the same.
As for living in a dream world...it is you who needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

We are currently in the worst global recession/depression in living memory, and you keep on bleating about the same old, same old.
Pretty soon there may be NO jobs for anyone and a soup kitchen may be set up at the end of your street.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Eric

Don't know too much about glassware .... apart from the fact that it holds alcoholic beverages But the violin thing ... there is no reason that others, say the Italians even, do what the Asians do. It's not as if it is some evil plot on the part of the inscrutable Chinese. If Italian entrepreneurs got off their asses, it could be done in Italy. I mean, the Italians make great ships, cars, and, especially motorcycles ... they have the skills; those skills are just lying idle. I remember a line from a Pink Floyd song: "If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde", or something like that (as you know, when possible, I prefer to use my memory instead of Google) I don't really agree with it. The skills of Clydeside were every bit as good as those of the Japs.

Talking of those wonderful folks who brought us Pearl Harbor, many over
here buy Japanese automobiles. However, they are made in Canada, by Canadian workers. And because Japanese companies don't treat workers
like sh ..., ok, poo, there are no labour disruptions at their plants. At the time the US economy took a dump, and their auto makers were laying off Canadian workers, Toyota opened a couple of new plants in Ontario. Oh, and both my vehicles are GM products ... yet both were made in Canada.

Eric -was already thinking of pointing out to Margaret about the merits of "stream of consciousness writing" alla C'mon Stanley , GARINDA does it too but with more "style and passion" -then you come along and are an even better example - "LOVIT". My mind also Spirals -welcome to the club....

[Eric]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Eric -was already thinking of pointing out to Margaret about the merits of "stream of consciousness writing" alla C'mon Stanley , GARINDA does it too but with more "style and passion" -then you come along and are an even better example - "LOVIT". My mind also Spirals -welcome to the club....

Next you'll be discussing the merits of "Finnegan's Wake" and the beauties of "The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman." But, if I'm with Margaret and Garinda, I'm in damn fine company.

[Eric]

I forgot to add: "Even though we don't always agree".

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

David Cameron would allow minimum wage to die out - mirror.co.uk

Back in 2008, and we're presently in ................?

Minimum wage harming job opportunities for young - Telegraph

You're the one always banging on about the Minimum wage being such a good thing, so now you're disputing it ?

Unfair dismissal law change set to save British businesses £6 million a year

As mentioned previously elsewhere most European Countries have a similar policy & seem to be managing.

Perhaps the job situation would be better if there weren't so many foreigners in the UK prepared to work at minimum wage ? Now remind me, who was it again who allowed such a situation to arise ?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Eric

I forgot to add: "Even though we don't always agree".

(Must try harder with ol' drink Canada Dry.)



(So accusations of bullying start to fly, the next time we don't see eye to eye.)

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

(Must try harder with ol' drink Canada Dry.)



(So accusations of bullying start to fly, the next time we don't see eye to eye.)

Come to think of it, he looks a lot like I used to when I was younger and living in rural Saskatchewan ... although I had a lot more hair, and a helluva lot better beard

So we don't see eye to eye all the time .... at least no one is going to accuse us of being a clique Mmmm .... I wonder what such a clique could be called. Maybe "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." I wanna be the "Ugly". "Bad" can be cool too.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Eric -was already thinking of pointing out to Margaret about the merits of "stream of consciousness writing" alla C'mon Stanley , GARINDA does it too but with more "style and passion" -then you come along and are an even better example - "LOVIT". My mind also Spirals -welcome to the club....

No, I don't want to be in that kind of spiral where you spew out text without any punctuation.....it is messy and makes me not want to bother untangling the skeins of thought to find out if there is anything there worth the effort.

I write how I see things. Sometimes my points are not well made, but I would like to think they are always readable.

I just hope that is what you mean when you talk of stream of conciousness...you have to remember I didn't have a high flying education......just a secondary modern one, and not very distinguished at that...left at 15 to make my way in the world.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Eric

I forgot to add: "Even though we don't always agree".

Isn't that the very essence of a good discussion? Not always agreeing, but being adult enough to agree to disagree.

[Margaret Pilkington]

So can I be Good then....?