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Yeah - that Harry Kane as a forward couldn't lead a dog ............ let alone his club and country !

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Retained list:
https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...retained-list/

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Serbian football back in front of fans hopefully without a spike could be the lead football could follow football without fans is c***.

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Andy
I wouldn't wind yourself up about it ..... its going to be at least 11 weeks before we kick a ball in anger be it behind closed doors, with open doors, or something in between.
I know what my money is on.

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Lloris is Spurs captain of two goalies with Kasper S the other.

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As I have said before it's a discussion forum I am thinking of the club and other clubs surviving with gates on a personal note I,m not wound up nowt I say will make any difference as for your 11 weeks who knows could be sooner or longer doesn't change my opinion though that football without fans is c***.

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Agreed on all counts :)

:) :) :)

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[QUOTE=andyd;124142t I say will make any difference as for your 11 weeks who knows could be sooner or longer doesn't change my opinion though that football without fans is c***.[/QUOTE]

could live with a couple of behind closed doors games if and when a decision is actually made when the season is going to start. say a mid september one is decided on say in early august and needs putting back a couple of weeks then what clubs actually lose in revenue can be seen no worse than loads of poorly attended mid week games.

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How does a club put on a game behind closed doors do they have to bring some staff of furloughing not sure but whatever it's a cost most clubs at lower leagues can I'll afford, the premiership and championship in my opinion aren't doing it for public moral they are doing it to protect their huge TV revenue.

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no, what i was trying to say was that if the league decided on a date the season would commence and finish with fans but had to put it back a couple of weeks. by starting the season behind closed doors for a couple of weeks would be a better option than more mid week games where you can guarentee all clubs getting their lowest attendances. the cost of behind closed door games is offset by having more saturday afternoon fixtures with many more fans.

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Wonder if anyone will sign up Jay Spearing just been confirmed he is leaving Blackpool on his day one of the better midfielder,s in league 1.

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Striker Omar Bogle available on a free.

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shows the type of player on offer. if only we could eh.

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Yes way it is Spearing for instance apparently on £7500 a week not in our orbit I,m afraid.

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Hardly prolific though is he ? 14 goals since start of 2017.

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Not his fault he hasn't featued much since his prolific spell at Grimsby 59 appearances in 3 season's 14 in 59 ain't that bad.

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dont reckon its that great myself.

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At lower league level Cashy he was prolific compare him to someone like Colby Bishop who is following same career path , Bogle moved to Grimsby scoring for fun helping them back up to league 2 then scoring for fun again and earned his big money move, didn't work out at higher level for him but I would suggest he could still be lethal with right management team at league 1 and 2 level.

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possible, myself i dont reckon hes league 1 standard.

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Well in his first season back in league 2 with Grimsby he managed 19 goals in 27 appearances before moving in the January window to Wigan, not bad.

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thats not bad at all in league2.

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So who's fault is it ?

Its 76 appearances actually but hey ho.

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Jamie Reid opted for Mansfield.

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Burnley have released a promising young 'keeper called Charles Hart - get in for him before a championship team snaps him up or Leeds.

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33 and he’s still ‘promising’! :rolleyes:

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So hyperthectially if Coley persuaded him to join Stanley as a replacement for slippers Zanzala you wouldn't be keen?

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Anythings better than Zanzala.
How much you reckon he’ll want a week ?
Much more than we’ve ever paid anyone else.

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Don't ask don't get.

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Can't afford - not a prayer !

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And who,s fault would that be.

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Would he accept hypothetical money? :rolleyes:

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one thing for certain is i very much doubt him or the majority of other high earners will not get what they got last season.

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[QUOTE=Twenty Eight;1241506]Anythings better than Zanzala.

think that could be a big problem for the majority of fans. whoever is signed as a replacement is in for a fairly easy ride because of him. there have been poor players at stanley in the past but no one has caused as much hilarity as him.

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Well after 16 weeks without football at our level and below and watching the nation slowly get back to " normal", queues length of Accrington at reopened Ikea's, Macdonalds,etc:-, mayhem on the streets, so called celebrations at behind closed doors Liverpool's title win, pub landlords fearing mayhem opening next Saturday football surely can't still be suggesting reduced capacities when it gets the green light your having a laugh.

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Why would it be anyone’s fault ?
He’ll get a club no problem and earn more than we would / could offer.
Facts of life.

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I don’t doubt that.
However even in reduced money he’ll earn more than we would / could pay.

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Just checked.
His published basic salary was £6k a week at Cardiff.
Even with a massive cut he ain't coming to the Wham.

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So he,ll get a club no problem even though since 2017 he,s hardly been prolific in front of goal!!!

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Supposedly a meeting Wednesday about determining the start date for next season, will find out in next few months then.

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Out of interest; where has that been "published"??

EFL clubs have had no "official" word/ tip off. Fairly sure there wasn't a board meeting last week and there was no mention of next season's re-start date in last weeks EFL internal update.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1241524]Supposedly a meeting Wednesday about determining the start date for next season,

or a meeting just to decide when the next meeting will be to decide on it.

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a fact everyone should know by now. even with full houses at the wham stanley will always be in the bottom few of the food chain. however i,m sure there will be more bargains available for next season than ever before.

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On a EFL hub twitter site if you notice I did put supposedly.

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A quick poll for anybody interested:-
A/ Would you prefer say September start limited fans

B/Start date sometime in 2021 full access for fans

Answer please A or B my answer is B.

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A,for me, if that occured B may take care of itself.

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If Jordan Clarke hasn't signed on the dotted line after tomorrow is that it or if nobody offered him an alternative could he sign later, or has any deal offered to be renegotiated?

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A without doubt.

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100% a.

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A
Still reckon 26 September is achievable and maybe with no restrictions.

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Yes he will. Forwards are precious commodities and a club will take a gamble on him. You know ..... a bit like Coley did with Kayden Jackson.
Subtle difference being that Coley worked the oracle with Kayden and the price was right.
Hopefully Coley does it again but not with Bogle.

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Without commenting specifically on Clark (no "e") on a general note if I were the club and there was no reaction to an offer I'd be waving him off - no renegotiation or offer to sign later.
I'm sure our management team will feel the same.
No one's bigger than the club.

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A, for me :)

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With John Coleman saying he is going to work with a smaller squad will he still utilise the loan market, last season he went for 8 which when you can only have 5 in the squad is for Stanley a bit of an extravagance especially as I believe Baker Richardson was on quite big wages and did,nt play. Should imagine this season will be more cautious on the loan side.

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Northampton will be joining us next year. 4-0 play-off winners against Jonny Maxted and Exeter. How frustrating it must be for fans to have your team at Wembley and not be able to support them!

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Exeter don't have a lot of luck at Wembley, third time in four seasons they've been beaten in the play off final - maybe they were glad there weren't any fans there to witness it yet again?

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totally agree. hate those will he wont he re signing situations where the club can miss out on replacements. if my memories correct, did this happen a few years ago with someone who signed for someone else at the last minute and left us short.

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[QUOTE=MikeA;1241557]Northampton will be joining us next year. 4-0 play-off winners against Jonny Maxted and Exeter.

at least it saves those who travel away that trek to exeter. at least northampton is a lot closer and its basically motorway and duel carriageway all the way.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1241562]Northampton ranks as one of my worst away days whereas Exeter is up among my favourites.

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Surprised Northampton won through........however, they always did attract backers with money....

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at least it saves those who travel away that trek to exeter. at least northampton is a lot closer and its basically motorway and duel carriageway all the way.[/QUOTE]

How different it can be for away fans.
Not that much difference for us between ‘Executor’ and Northampton in distance but loved the former - park’n’ride and free bus into city, easy walk to ground from town centre after short sight-seeing trip, quick lunch in great diner, good fans. Northampton a soulless concrete bowl on the very edge of town, rip off parking in a field, and revolting fast food outlets as only the alternative attraction.
Takes all sorts, I guess.

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How different it can be for away fans.
Not that much difference for us between ‘Executor’ and Northampton in distance but loved the former - park’n’ride and free bus into city, easy walk to ground from town centre after short sight-seeing trip, quick lunch in great diner, good fans. Northampton a soulless concrete bowl on the very edge of town, rip off parking in a field, and revolting fast food outlets as only the alternative attraction.
Takes all sorts, I guess.[/QUOTE]

I certainly wouldn't go their again once was enough.

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Chester,s players have all agreed to play for nothing to participate in the playoff,s, their chairman says it's a great gesture and then goes on to say that below league level they have decided not to start next season without crowds and won't start until they are allowed.

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How different it can be for away fans.
Not that much difference for us between ‘Executor’ and Northampton in distance but loved the former - park’n’ride and free bus into city, easy walk to ground from town centre after short sight-seeing trip, quick lunch in great diner, good fans. Northampton a soulless concrete bowl on the very edge of town, rip off parking in a field, and revolting fast food outlets as only the alternative attraction.
Takes all sorts, I guess.[/QUOTE]

Plus Exeter can be tied in with a weekend in Torquay, an away experience much missed by some of our fans

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Ah, blessed Babbacombe!
Still miss Hanbury’s fish’n’chips and the Angel Tea Rooms.

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How different it can be for away fans.
Not that much difference for us between ‘Executor’ and Northampton in distance but loved the former - park’n’ride and free bus into city, easy walk to ground from town centre after short sight-seeing trip, quick lunch in great diner, good fans. Northampton a soulless concrete bowl on the very edge of town, rip off parking in a field, and revolting fast food outlets as only the alternative attraction.
Takes all sorts, I guess.[/QUOTE]


It is 2 hours each way, pretty massive. To and back from Northants you don't need a stop either so it ends up saving a good 5 hours in comparison.

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lot depends on what you want from an away game. some make days and weekends out of em. i imagine there are others like me who only go for the game. get to the ground as early as you want, hope to get a good parking space for a quick get away and get back home as quickly as possible watching out for speed cameras. for those who regard sixfields as a souless place get off the M1 a junction earlier, nip into daventry where there are plenty of pubs, cafe,s and a good saturday street market.

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It is 2 hours each way, pretty massive. To and back from Northants you don't need a stop either so it ends up saving a good 5 hours in comparison.[/QUOTE]

Might it not depend on where you live?

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Might it not depend on where you live?[/QUOTE]

Pretty similar saving from all over Lancashire and the main regional city centres is the north as well as London, Scotland, and fans abroad due to where flights land. I would go with 100% of season ticket holders and 99% of fans are likely to be better off.

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Pretty similar saving from all over Lancashire and the main regional city centres is the north as well as London, Scotland, and fans abroad due to where flights land. I would go with 100% of season ticket holders and 99% of fans are likely to be better off.[/QUOTE]

Fine. I was merely making a personal observation about what I find enjoyable about visiting away grounds and not trying to win a referendum.
Put me down as one of the 1% who does not feel better off having to visit Northampton rather than Exeter.

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Fine. I was merely making a personal observation about what I find enjoyable about visiting away grounds and not trying to win a referendum.
Put me down as one of the 1% who does not feel better off having to visit Northampton rather than Exeter.[/QUOTE]


I'll join that ever growing 1% too! Much rather have an away day in Exeter rather than Northampton!

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I was purely on about travel times as was the conversation, not which is better for a day out.

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for me a lot of the better days out have been lost and some for good. halifax. hartlepool, stockport, bury, morecambe plus york and darlington having new grounds. infact i much prefered burndan park and the old show ground to what and where they were replaced with.

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According to reports coming out of the BBC this morning the two proposed start dates for new season in August and September are for Premiership and Championship behind closed doors. It goes on to say a big percentage of leagues 1 and 2 and national League clubs are very reluctant to start with no or reduced crowds because it forms the majority of their income.

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I have it from a very good contact that the start date they are working to for Leagues 1 and 2 will be Sept 12 and clubs will be allowed a capacity that is the most they can fit in adhering to the 1-metre social distancing measures but also taking into account ingress and egress arrangements at most grounds that will be somewhere between 33 and 50% of their actual capacities. All those present will need to be season ticket holders so as the club/authorities have the name/address/seat number/standing position of everyone attending.

Each club will play 2 home games under those conditions and then [ provided nothing has gone wrong ] will be allowed an increase ranging at some clubs say another 20% but others an increase up to 100% two examples would be one where it would probably be a stepped increase is Blackpool which is an enclosed stadium with very constrained concourses compared to say Carlisle where an average attendance wouldn't fill 25% of the ground and where ingress and egress are good [ although it atrocious in the main stand and I could see that having very tight limits put on it]

As far as that goes I could see it being ok for Accy as both stands empty without the use of enclosed concourses and even at 33% the standing areas would give a capacity even at the first stage in excess of last year's season ticket totals.

As no away fans will be allowed initially I believe the plan is to make each club's first six fixtures against the most distant teams who would have brought the fewest fans thereby reducing the amounts that would be lost by having nil away fans.

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Is it possible for you to divulge your scource.?

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Accrington,s average attendance last season was 2862 away fan average in league 1 was 800 approximately that leaves 2000 roughly, Stanley have I believe around 1000 season ticket holders someone correct me if I,m wrong.Wether that when sales commence increase is anyone,s guess but on your figures wouldn't appear a problem for Stanley wether it's enough income is questionable.

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Its all conjecture.
I nailed my colours to the mast ages ago and will stick to it.
26 September no restrictions.

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I sincerely hope you are right.

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If that start date proves to be right that will be 30 weeks with no football and little or no income let's hope there are still 72 clubs left to participate.

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And little expenditure and a little bit of support
called furlough !!!!
Come on mate balanced views.

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Well that's the million-dollar question isn't it but the way they're looking at it is if you play your two games that would have attracted the lowest attendances anyway first the loss on those games is the least it can be and will be mitigated by selling the I player packages [ with the blackout period remaining suspended ] which if they follow how they're doing it now in the championship the model appears to give the home club a bigger cut than before and modeling has shown that players should in effect be able to remain 50% furloughed right up until the scheme ends if they play ball with the clubs.

If clubs then put season tickets on sale a club selling 2k at an average of £200 would bring in 400k which will do wonders for their cashflow.

Then get through your first couple of games and move on to stage two where Accy could well be given a capacity in excess of the season ticket holder numbers and may well then be able to sell individual match tickets online to ensure that they have the name and address of everyone attending.

The DCMS have realised that if they put unreasonable obstacles in the way of a restart and more clubs start to go bust they will have a very large, powerful and vociferous lobby attacking them and may then have to allow a less managed restart but I believe nothing will happen for a couple of weeks while they assess the impact that the likes of opening the pubs has on the figures.

The date they are looking at for returning to normal [ not sure whether that means away fans present or not] is Nov 1st or after each club has played 8 games 4 home 4 away.

This comes from a company who are already involved with about 15 or 20 FL clubs and who did some modeling on the restart and offered their services to the FL and i believe it was mentioned briefly at a meeting this week.

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Yes without naming names

This comes from a company who are already involved with about 15 or 20 FL clubs and who did some modeling on the restart and offered their services to the FL and I believe it was mentioned briefly at a meeting this week.

I did some work around a concept that would have revolutionised lower league football finances about 5 years ago with the guy whos now the managing director of this company I recognised his name in a tweet sent him a message and we now speak regularly and it seems he has the ear of someone at the FL and I think the idea is that they create a policy for each league that all the clubs stick to as from what he,s said the league is a bit concerned that different clubs are going off in different directions, for example, some going ahead and selling thousands of season tickets and others holding back till they better know how the land lies.

He's been pretty open with me and did, in fact, point something out to me regarding the Stanley/AH situation re the club and AH.s other businesses that he announced but that I hadn't put together that can only be good for the survival of the club if his assumption is correct.

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just do not understand why there can be no away fans at games. clubs like manchester united would have more home fans from accross the country than even clubs like sunderland brought to the wham. then there could be the stupid situation if bradford city where still in division 1. if i purchased a ST again i could attend the game where my near neighbour and others in my town could not.

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If that start date is the one given I suspect most lower league clubs will want some assurance about returning crowds, pre- season would presumably start about six weeks in front of that date when all furloughing would stop thus increasing spending surely some insurance of a definite date for crowds returning would be a necessity.

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I get what you're saying but Man Utd aren't the FL.s problem.

And yes I get the disease spread issue certainly at the first two games and its a problem they would have to resolve but it's no different to a train leaving Glasgow with an asymptomatic person on board and passengers joining at up to a dozen trains along the route buy the time that train reaches London god knows how many people could be infected yet that was happening hundreds of times a day even at the height of the virus.

My guess is the first two home games home season ticket holders only. 2nd two home games home season ticket holders and [ depending on clubs ground capacity and season ticket sales more season ticket holders or like in Accys case online sales to non season ticket holders ] and 3rd set of two home games [ from the start of November ] hopefully away club season ticket holders would be able to buy available tickets to away games [ that way they still have the names and details of everyone in attendance in case the worst should happen ]

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Furloughing would not need to cease before the scheme finishes. As of July 1st, you just declare how many hours an employee has worked for i.m told a lot of clubs have been clever and put players working hours down as 40. Now in a week when you play 2 games if you don't count travelling [ Do you get paid to travel to work? ]you would be pushed to go over 20 hours actually working [training and playing ] therefore, you would still be entitled to claim 50% of the available furlough money

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...tention-scheme

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same sytem could be used for all clubs for home fans as well. buy online or from the kiosks they get your name and address and issue you with your own club number for future purchases. doncaster rovers do this. apart from stanley games i had not been for years but my number is still active. same with the odd game i attend at hartlepool.

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If football insists on starting with limited gates will same rules around toilets as in markets and shopping centres apply one in one out and cleaned every 30 minutes, how does one exit one,s seat without passing closely to someone else, bars can't see that working under current guidelines good luck people who are trying to solve this I feel for you.

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wonder if you,ll have to download one of those app things to get your pee time in the jack barrett.

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Need a bulldozer app wasn't really fit for purpose before now well!

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Interesting comments this morning from theatre and music hall producers following the announcement of a 1.57 billion aid package the reason why they aren't allowed public in when you can sit side by side on an aeroplane good point, you could argue the same about sports venues.

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Following the science.

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more to the point in my view is why are the police not doing their job upholding the law or does the law not count depending who you are.?

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The longest running play in the West End the Mousetrap is saying they are going to be the first theatre back with strict distancing measures both on stage and in the audience, the date they say will be in October at the earliest that to me throws limited crowds at football in late August or September if following science doubtful.

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Well, me and Chimer should be at Fratton Park again next season.:)

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good result for stanley gate wise.:)

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you could also say a 1.57 billion aid package would be welcome to league 1, 2 and national league clubs if they have to start on lower capacity crowds as well. crewe might get some aid though due to em signing a pantomime act.

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I see some Pompey fans turned up last night including the clown Westwood with the bell at Oxford sat upon a pile of pallets on the back of a van, passionate fans or idiotic?

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Passionate or idiotic I don't know but it will be a sad day when there are no characters at the grounds. Every club used to have one or two but there don't seem so many at the Premier League matches these days, perhaps the big clubs are more interested in having corporate fans at matches.

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the big clubs are NOT remotely interested in ordinary fans.