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So, taking this as read - and I do not have any reason not to - how do we go about assembling a squad/team for season 15, or to finish season 14?? :) I think that it is quite obvious, we need a defence and goalkeeper? Of the players under contract, who would you let go? Which options would you take up? Would you offer to any out of contract?? Who is out there, that might be tempted to us?? :) Trying to think of the future and take my mind off the present.... At the end of the day, football will comeback and - hopefully - Stanley will be taking part :) :) :) :) |
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Tough to think about next season when unsure of budgets etc....
if usual circumstances, I would like to see us retaining... Conneely, Hughes, Johnson, Mohammed and possibly Maguire/Barclay. 1st year pros I’d probably keep Perritt, Martin, Gilboy. Maybe Matty Williams. No issues with Clark leaving, he’s been a fantastic servant, we’ve helped him like he has helped us. Again in usual circumstances, we’d need a keeper (do we keep Savin as 2nd choice or get him game time on loan??)centre half to push Yosser, winger to replace Clicker, attacking mid and a few strikers. Next seasons starting XI could be.... Savin Johnson, Hughes, Sykes, Ogle McConville, Conneely, Finley, Pritchard Charles, Bishop I’d like a more creative midfielder as cover for Finley suspension, Barclay similar to Seamus. |
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I think Connelly could be attracting interest from elsewhere Salford one I saw somewhere in these uncertain times don't personally think there will be any offers will keep what we have and move on when it is possible to work out a budget. Because as it is there is no budget for existing contracts as will be the case at most clubs.
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just hope no one gets a bright idea in asking fans to donate money to keep zanzala at the club for another season.
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If no offers by the club then I assume you include players upon whom we have options as well as those out of contract. That being the case we won't be making offers to Johnson or Hughes in Josh's starting line up. However I think that Conneely Johnson and Hughes would be on my list to retain. They are not exactly huge earners. In the case of Hughes and Conneely you're buying in experience and as sure as eggs are eggs anyone we bring in will be vastly inexperienced at this level. Add in the suspension of Finlay and to me it would be illogical to let the club captain go. |
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You mean we want players to play for nothing ? OK let them go. And replace with ? I will certainly make a firm prediction that any replacements will not be substantially cheaper wage wise because we are starting at a low base point. Everyone thinks that the covid-19 means everyone's going to ask for less. Won't happen. I heard this today from someone I have the utmost respect for in the game. "Strange times ...... but I know of a few clubs in League One /Two who are going to gamble and look to steal a march on those being ultra cautious and go all out for promotion" That's football for you. I know before everyone starts barating me that Accrington aren't that type of club and I'm not suggesting for one minute that they should do so. Player wise my motto would be better the devil you know and keep as much of what we've got. |
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New wages/contracts will ( in my view) have to come down at every club.
Squad salary caps and squad size will be voted in very soon. Only not be talked about too much as all the focus is on finishing this season. There will be a real focus on "home grown" u21's |
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Ten out of contract players let go at Bradford including Shay McCarten.
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Burton are asking some players out of contract to take a 25% pay cut. However they are offering terms ! Equally 25% off a decent number ............ is still a decent number. Even if the salary cap was introduced at 2.5 mill surely that's way above our budget anyway even if covid-19 hadn't arrived ???? |
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Salary and squad caps won't bother ASFC; it will bother most in L1 and some in L2 |
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10 out is hardly surprising regardless of covid-19 at League Two. Big Ben stays. |
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Mr T has dropped you the tip that restricted squad sizes are on the horizon. That's the reason Bradford have released so many because they still have 12 contracted. In addition they have three with one year options - and they have all been offered terms. If they wanted Shay they could have kept him. Clearly they didn't. If squads are limited to 20 they have already got 15. |
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the amount of loan moves that shay had at bradford it was obvious he,d be released at the first chance they got. got injured early on there and never quite became a regular.
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OK Andy - you get it all.
If you seriously believe "none at all" you're having a laugh. Tightening of the belts yes. When decisions are made about the start of next season we can all revisit this and see how many signings clubs make and at what cost. |
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I imagine there will be a few ‘businessmen’ about with a few bob who see this as an ideal scenario for a new toy...
All these clubs allegedly desperate for investment, players on cheap wages, great players released by clubs on a free transfer.... Where do I sign up??!!?!!’ |
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Charlton; think you need to pay May's wages and get ready to play Championship football behind closed doors!! Southend; Ron's desparate to sell. Old ground is falling down but don't worry the new one will be on the way "next season" Oldham; could write a book on this one; own nothing bar the name and the bills!! No income for the foreseeable future. Macclesfield; could you sort the May wages and pay back the £10k their Trust has given them to top up the players April wages Swindon; sure I read that a £5 million take over has been stopped by the courts?? Morecambe; sure I've ready they've lost £500k for the last 2 season's and that's paying the lowest wages in the EFL PM and I'll send you any details plus the EFL tests and business plan that's required ;) |
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Bolton having served their suspension and cleared the decks ............ wonder if they invest in an immediate return to League One ? |
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When the powers to be finally sort this season out we move on to the more difficult decision next season, crowds or lack of them current thinking no crowds without vaccine could never happen worst case scenario, so thinking outside the box social distancing crowds been mentioned in some quarters again possible expenditure to bring in less than before also would it be lottery style tickets for those members season ticket holders. Anyone with any decent ideas feel free to post never know could be picked up by the EFL and put to good use.
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Answer me this then Andy.
Why have Bradford told all three of their first team squad one one year options they are exercising that option ? We haven't done it ?............. I'll tell you why. Because that leaves him with FIFTEEN in his first team squad for next year all tried and tested. Why would he need to enter the transfer market when he can supplement this squad with his nucleus of youngsters ? Do you consider that treading carefully ? I think if Andy Holt said that to Coley this he'd be wetting his pants. "Coley - you've got 12 already contracted, take up the other three on options and promote your best kids" Wake up and smell the coffee. There are haves and have nots. There are speculators There are gamblers There are Andy Holts. Good on him but if you think there's going to be a lower league epidemic ................ Lemins in football will never disappear. |
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Sorry to bore you coming back to the 12 contracted Bradford players, six played regularly this season Guthrie couldn't get in side the other five ok one is only eighteen all out on loan so would Mcall have kept them if they weren't contracted and if restricted to twenty could be very interesting.
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[QUOTE=StanleyJosh;1240553]I imagine there will be a few ‘businessmen’ about with a few bob who see this as an ideal scenario for a new toy...
All these clubs allegedly desperate for investment, players on cheap wages, great players released by clubs on a free transfer.... think there will be plenty of owners using the present situation as a get out for them. there obviously will have been winners in business during the virus but i doubt there will be that many who would want to lose part of their newly gained wealth in the bottomless pit of football. |
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I’m fairly confident this is situation at moment ........ Under Contract - Savin, Sykes, Ogle,LKS, Finley, Pritchard, McConville, Bishop, Charles, Scott. Club has option - Edwards, Johnson, Hughes, Maguire, Carvalho, Barclay, Mohammed, Doyle. Out of Contract - Evtimov, Clark, Zanzala, ZFA, Sousa, Conneely, Watson, Rodgers. Un-sure about youth players but imagine apart from ones above, all expire this summer. Perritt, Williams, Bolton, Martin, O’Neill, Gilboy. ************************************************** *********** Just to try and get back on thread, all depends on the player and ££££, but - if the price was right - I would offer Hughes, Barclay and Maguire :) One has experience, one has youth and potential and Maguire has shown in patches, he can play :) Still thinking about the rest :) :) :) :) |
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Not our captain??
Finley out for what will likely be the first 8 games of next season. Big ask finding 2 starting XI CM’s .... |
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If you think Conneely was the problem then we must be watching different games, every time he is injured we lose form and seem to pick up form when he returns. Poor squad? With premier league loanees? And ex Prem academy players. When have we ever had that luxury? Sometimes the mind boggles. |
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Nothing to do with forwards who couldn't hit a barn door from 12 inches. If you think you can replace the club captain who knows the club inside out and personally was in good form when the season came to an abrupt stall for chump change then good luck. |
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I have looked at the options first of all :) :) :) :) |
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Can I ask a question Andy ? What formation do we normally play ? Because the way you’re talking we only play with one in midfield. Whats your view of the strikers in those games you’ve selected ? |
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Lincoln city let 11out of contract players go saying that in these uncertain times they can,t make any positive decisions on out of contract players and have took the action early to give those involved some clarity.
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Their salary structure is one of the best in their division and beats ours hands down. |
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Not a bad retained list either for League two.
Jordan Adebayo-Smith Harry Anderson Cian Bolger Alex Bradley Ben Coker Tayo Edun Zack Elbouzedi Jorge Grant Tom Hopper Aaron Lewis Max Melbourne Jack Payne Anthony Scully |
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Grimsby manager reveals that the club could go bust by September and the decision to let 9 players go to help the club as the worst day in his life.
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Just for clarity Salary Caps and Squad size limits etc will not apply to next season 20/21 but will at the earliest start the following year 21/22 but that will be with a years transition so unless clubs are planning to offer players contracts of more than 2 years length so as i see it the only difference for the minute will likely be the insertion of a clause that will mean that the renewal of any contract that expires at the end of 21/22 and more importantly 22/23 will be subject to restrictions imposed by the salary cap meaning they will be able to offer contracts on worse terms than the one they were on previously. My feeling is once the above is confirmed [probrably after the EFL conference which i.m told they are still hoping to hold in person in Portugal but has been compromised by this balmy quarentine lark ] Andy and John arent stupid people if they believe a squad made up of the contracted players plus taking up the options and offering to a couple of the OOC players and those players are realistic and accept that an offer from Accy that may not be the best is still better than risking being thrown onto the scrap heap i believe you may well end up with most of the same established players as last season the difference will be there will be no headroom for taking gambles with players wanting full money. Speaking with an agent friend of mine hes of the oppinion that there will be a cohort of young players with no financial commitments who will be willing to sign for what pre virus would be what you would call very low wages simply for the chance to stay in the proffessional game and the main driver of this will be that they won't have the NL cushion to rely on any more. He has a lot of other things he believe will come about but there will be no clarity really untill the clubs know how next season will start [wether behind closed doors, in front of restricted crowds [ season tickets holders only ] or even as normal ] and more importantly when that would be. But somthing to take into consideration is that if you extended/ offered new contacts to existing players [ as opposed to signing new ones ] you could keep them on furlough till the scheme ends/new season starts which might not seem that important but even at Accy could run to an amount well North of 150k a figure that culd then be used to supplement the projected budget. But if Accy are in need of an experienced Midfielder then they could do a lot worse than to look at Mike Jones released by Carlisle [ and not on massive wages having taken a cut 2 years ago when he last negotiated ] who is looking for a North West based club and whos stats are excellent [ and if you take away the spell under Sheridan are even better than that ] but i.d be pretty sure JC will already be well aware given that they are almost neighbours. |
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Some bits of sense NS, but not 100% correct
The EFL AGM was never going to be in Portugal. For some reason the hotel couldn't do our date. ( last Wednesday to yesterday) We were using a base in the UK. That was cancelled in March We're having the "official" AGM (on-line) in mid June. At present squad salary cap hasn't been finalised as all are concentrating on the exact plan to finish this season. Agree that, hopefully players will be realistic on new deals, but hearing stories that some players are still not understanding there is no money!! |
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cheers fer that MrT, gonna be very strange to many people i think, but sod all we can do about things,
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I did wonder how they were going to deal with a can we/can't we situation at such a late stage in the day. But do you agree the cap etc won't start for 12 months or are you saying there is a possibility they will try to introduce it in time for the start of next season ? and have that as the transitional one. |
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We're (EFL and clubs) hoping to have it in for start of next season, with a "soft" one year exemption for existing (not new deals)
Ie a club has numerous players in year one of a 3 year deal or suffers relegation and needs a year to adjust. The "saga" in L1 has slowed the debate and work down on this project.:mad: |
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Ah rite Mark thanks for that
I was under the impression that the transition season to allow for existing contracts would be 21/22 and not next season but I agree if they can get it in place for the start of next season it wouldn't be a bad thing. |
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Its not going to affect our club anyway.
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Zanzala would be a definite no for me I'm afraid.
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After Tuesday if the vote goes ahead and the outcome is season over Stanley I would think will be making their list public we will find out then.
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Can't believe you're still leaving Johnson off your list.
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Heres the options for the clubs to vote on in the framework vote tomorrow.
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Subject to Legue One vote to finish season.
Promoted: Coventry City (champions), Rotherham United Play-offs: Wycombe Wanderers v Fleetwood Town, Oxford United v Portsmouth - dates tbc Relegated: Tranmere Rovers, Southend United, Bolton Wanderers |
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Andy Holt just said he thinks it's the right decision to curtail the season and can now get on with contracts and sorting for when ever next season starts. He adds that he doesn't want to see this behind closed doors as football is for fans and their communities and looks forward to a packed Wham on the return I for one wholeheartedly agree with him.
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Boris can't even decide whether to brush his own hair
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Seems to me you just kick off a bit and shout very loud and you get what you want. Boris and Co know they've screwed the whole thing up so I think it's now more a case of just not ****ing anyone else off. NL supposedly going to ask the FA to ask the gov't to be allowed to play with a 500 socially distanced crowd limit. My guess is pretty soon they will start creating exceptions where the distance will be cut to the WHO.s 1m rather than 2m i would imagine they'll start with pubs cafes and restaurants but if the same was applied to non-league grounds then crowds of 500 are realistic. |
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How do you decide who can attend and who cannot if the limit is say 500 in League One ? How many season ticket holders do we have ? Also will need to make provision for away supporters ? As I said earlier I think season start will be end of September by which time I think we'll be ok to attend. |
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Maybe the club will get enough water to the toilets for hand washing when football does return :)
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I agree with Twenty Eight that I think it will be September/October time when fans can start attending, but what if not?! |
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So going back to next season not starting until January, how do we pay players until then? |
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If people can sit on a beach for a few hours and social distance, I hope that people will be allowed into a football stadium following same procedures .
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No, it was a reference to all the u-turns Boris and his lackeys have made the latest being today over schools. |
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This will appall Andyd Josh but you just watch certain clubs now try to steal a march on the market. The player market will be volatile.
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So going back to next season not starting until January, how do we pay players until then?[/QUOTE] who actually mentioned this january start in the first place. unless i,m wrong it was some club chairman in the first place. no one looked at the consequences of this. it was right in the middle of the project fear situation anyway. we need to be positive for the season to start with full crowds. i,d go a bit earlier than 28. i,d be looking for early september. |
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Could always open up the Wham for political rallies at the Wham every fortnight when there’s a home game on? No need for social distancing, scarves as face masks...just need to find a suitable statue as a focus. Could one of Bob Lord be erected on the Clayton End in time for next season....?:rolleyes:
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They would damage our beautiful pitch! :eek: Politicians from all sides ‘digging holes’ for themselves...........:joint::silly::sonic::globwhore:pain30::bangh8: Statues of (in)famous characters being ‘toppled’..........:hidewall: How would Buzza cope having to fill in the craters?:D:king: |
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I have it on good authority that there won't be ANY supporters allowed in to a ground until January 21.....
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