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Di,
Jordan was offered another deal in December 2019 which he rejected.
The club then placed him on the transfer list for the January window and wrote to all 72 clubs.
As a contracted player the club demanded a fee (quite right too) but the level of that fee was sufficient to send potential suitors running for the hills knowing his contract expired 30 June and he could be signed for nothing a matter of 6 months later.
Its no ones fault so to speak thats how the system works.

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thing is i reckon we were lucky no-one signed him in jan, fact hes gone for nowt now is no big deal to me think we got best of that.:)

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That explains the situation in January well Twenty Eight, as I understood it.:alright:

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Used to live in Dunstable. Pretty grim, but popping over to Luton was a good way of remembering things could have been worse .... :D

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a visit to luton especially if you stop there overnight should be regarded as a must for people who constantly moan about the town they live in. a place where grim goes up another level.

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Harsh! You're forgetting the delights of Kenilworth Road...
https://www.pbctoday.co.uk/news/wp-c.../CrapLuton.jpg

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Salary Cap agreed.
Devil will be in the detail.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696424

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2.5 million pounds for league 1 teams still way above Stanley's budget but voted in by 16 teams so must be popular amongst the majority wether it makes it a more competitive league remains to be seen.

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Some bloke on Facebook just posted that the salary cap could help Wigan because as he put it "If you were on the same money who would you rather play for Accrington Stanley or Wigan"?
Have to say my hackles rose at this so answered him with "It depends whether you want to play for a well run club whose finances are ok or Wigan"
I await his reply . . . . . . . .

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Presumably he places rugby league? ;)

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Is there a maximum wage in this cap or do you if you can afford the full 2.5 million decide on what you pay by the size of squad?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696424

Here we go ............. Court system gonna be packed !

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No maximum wage; and u21's are exempt.

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Was thinking of saying some things about the PFA, but mindful of being quoted !!:mad:

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PFA should go back in its cuboard as far as I can see done nothing but complain since this pandemic started.

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Charlton are having problems with the EFL rejecting prospective owners:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-a4519491.html

I don't remember this happening with Bury in 2013 or 2018...

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In these straitened economic times, I wonder why Gordon Taylor’s PFA are so opposed..could it be, according to Wikipedia, because “he is reputed to be the highest paid union official in the world”?

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Gordon Taylor is a complete prat has got ideas way above his station a complete waste of space imho.

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its really a player budget cap. think the majority of fans across both leagues will be in favour of this. sunderland might get back to reality now and buy playyers now to get em back where they think they should be.

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taking gordon taylor out of it and concentrating just on the union itself the club salary cap will affect jobs. there will be smaller squads which will equal in the end less pro footballers. forget taylor and look at the possible consequences.

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On that note in the real business world of which football should IMHO be run you cut your cloth to suit some clubs have had rediculously large squads, if this move leads to less players and clubs surviving that's just life.

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What are the punishment,s for clubs if they break the salary cap if it is just fines then the richest clubs will surely flout the rules, need to be severe penalties imposed for this to have any chance of working.

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This is not cutting cloth according, it is setting an arbitrary amount for all clubs, even ones who can afford a lot more.

Cost of living doesn't look like it will be taken into account, for example an average house in Oxford costs around 5 x more than Accrington, and in Merton 6 times more.

It is a restrictive practice which will drive more clubs into semi-professionalism in the medium to long term, and drive players away from football. It suits Stanley and maybe the majority of clubs and owners, as it levels up competition and clubs will end up saving money. The phasing in with clubs having 5 year contracts for some players, is important. A Bournemouth player on £2.5m could be in league 1 come 2021. Also it will mean the gaps between divisions are wider and promoted clubs struggling more after promotion.

Football clubs as a whole are not great at economics, and this will has a potential do damage professional football long term if there are no safety valves.

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[QUOTE=Chewbacca;1243034]This is not cutting cloth according, it is setting an arbitrary amount for all clubs, even ones who can afford a lot more.

Cost of living doesn't look like it will be taken into account, for example an average house in Oxford costs around 5 x more than Accrington, and in Merton 6 times more.

It is a restrictive practice which will drive more clubs into semi-professionalism in the medium to long term, and drive players away from football.

it will end up for some clubs going back to the dark days of the late 70,s early 80,s with a minimum squad just to keep em going. patched up players trying to give their best. cost of living does not finish with housing either. an oxford player will fork out quite a lot more in everything in their life than a stanley one does. kts of fans will be loving the idea of this budget cap with the oft heard phrase of all players being paid too much. clubs will soon be given a choice of either a small squad or a similar size one but on low wages. all this on top of the virus. not a good time to be a lower league pro me thinks.

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Well if that means there will be less Crawley and Stevenages and more Wrexhams and Sockports the game will be all the better for it as the total aggregate number of spectators will undoubtedly rise.

Dont understand your point about the Bournmouth player tho because the average wage calculation would kick in if he had an existing contract.

And the absolute upside that i can see is that clubs can add up to a 100k to their budgets by simply refusing to pay agents and if a player wants another 25k then you tell him not to bring his agent along.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1243050]And so it should be

Whats the point in paying a player 2500 a week when there are thousands of lads out there who would be happy to do it for 500

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I.m all for rewarding the truley talented players but dont see why the journeymen should earn anywhere near what the currently do.I think theyve missed a trick by not excluding the highest paid player tho like they do in Rugby League.

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I.m all for rewarding the truley talented players but dont see why the journeymen should earn anywhere near what the currently do.I think theyve missed a trick by not excluding the highest paid player tho like they do in Rugby League.

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[QUOTE=NORTHERNSOUL;1243084]As no one with any proven talent will play for £500 pw as their main job, we are talking going back to semi pro wages and they need another career to rely on.

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the point is that unless the 500 pound lads are as good as the 2500 pound one then its a recipe for relegation with big financial implications for clubs if the relegation is back into non league. the ability of a player should come before how little they will play for as long as the club can afford it.

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agree. anyone who prefers to watch games with clubs like that can easily find one a few miles from where they live. football at league level is a profesional game and long may it stay that way. decent wages for decent players who are entertainers after all.

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So you really think that paying the wages they do now is sustainable ?

Coz i can tell you that it isnt and if you think that clubs are over the worse think again dont forget clubs have had two lots of money advanced already so thats two payments they would normally get during this season that wont be coming their way. Some clubs like Tranmere put season tickets on sale very early and have used that money to get by. Then throw into the mix that the PL rescue package isnt going to be anything like the size the clubs were hoping for, the unfurloughing of all staff increasing wage costs considerably, games to be played behind closed doors, a drastic reduction in sponsorhip money that the clubs can expect to attract and you have the perfect storm a recipe for total disaster unless they cut their costs.

And wether you like it or not the only cost most clubs have left to cut is the wages of the playing staff.The cap will go some way to helping them to save themselves from themselves but really its only a sticking plaster as there appear to be any number of holes you could drive through it not least your striker getting a part time job as the marketing and promotions manager for the owners other company.

And in addition 4k a week players need to realise that the security of employment of a 3 year contract on 2k a week provides a damm site more security for him and his family than managing to get 3.5k on a one year contact and then having to go thru it all again at the end of the next two seasons with the risk that an injury or loss of form throws into the equation.

As i.ve said already i.m all for rewarding talent but people have to realise that the only way to do that is to reduce the wages cost of the average journeyman player.

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Good post it's a step in the right direction wether it will be enough only time will tell but I don't think football will sadly be the same as before has a enjoyable day with the mates for a while.

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just looking at league 1 and 2 which is basically what i am interested in. if the virus had not popped up i doubt we would be talking about the situation anyway. the wages paid to a player is only what a club is prepared to pay anyway. its a vicious circle for any club. sign decent players for what fans crave for nowadays, success. if this does not happen then gates at all clubs slip down by quite a high percentage.imagine a club like sunderland could have up to 10,000 variation depending how the team is doing. even at stanley it could be 500 and at 20 pound per person thats 10,000 per match less VAT the club has not got. then there is the much maligned so called journeyman player. these players deserve a fair crack of the whip as most teams squads have many of these players which keep clubs going. think bad management and panic player buying can be blamed for clubs getting into the financial mire rather than the actual wages being paid.

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Many clubs across League 1 & 2 already playing friendlies.
Wonder when our first will be...

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We haven't got to contact in training yet so could be another week or so.

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As you brought them up did you not watch "Till i die" where they were handing out 30k contracts like confetti and where did that get them ?

But i dont follow when you bring up what you think will be a diferential in quality surely if all clubs are forced to adopt the same protocols although the overall quality might drop [ i dont think it would by that much and personally i would be happy to see a small drop in quality if that was outweighed by a get stuck in team spirit ].

If i was the owner of Sunderland i.d pay nobody more than 10k and you dont tell me that flair players [ lets take Nicky Adams as an example] wouldnt walk there to play for them and earn that.

Basically its an expanded version of what goes on at Accy in if you want to earn a fortune theyre not the club for you but if you want a club with a respected owner and management team who you know wont shaft you and who will improve your game and when the time comes you.ll know that so long as they dont get turned over they will be fair with you when that bigger club comes knocking.

So yes theres a lot of clubs who could learn a lot from looking at little Accy.

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thats perfectly true. could stanley actually become the new norm in the post virus football world. however a lot of fans at many clubs need to adjust their views of watching the game. some clubs like sunderland seem to think they have a god given right to have a life at the top. no one likes watching a bad defeat especially at home but no club have ever gone through any season with a hundred per cent record. take the defeat but enjoy the win even more.

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Meanwhile, Bury FC, still owned by Steve Dale, have had their application to join the National League rejected for 2020/21:
https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/186...yramid-turned/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696143

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about time the old bury just do not just pack up and their fans can concentrate on the bury pheonix. the old club has just become a distraction for fans that want to move on.

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Bury FC still exists. The new club isn't a phoenix club.

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Quite right a completely new club but until the fate of the original Bury complete,s it's course who do as a Bury fan support?

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Quite right a completely new club but until the fate of the original Bury complete,s it's course who do you as a Bury fan support?

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legally you are correct but thats it. no players or staff. at least the new club is a going concern that supporters can get behind even if its at a level none of em want to be at.

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Back on to thread :)

Fixtures out next week :D

21/08/2020

:) :) :)

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Another loan........

https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...l-excite-fans/

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Tom Allan made a lovely cross for one of Newcastle's goals against Rochdale in last season's FA Cup (start from 7:25):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9LxOIX66_A

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A superb pass from the right wing. Hope he can do that for us on a regular basis!:alright:

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as long as we have a couple in the box to receive the pass.

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Next season's fixtures, from Telegraph:
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...o-cup-details/

League starts 12 Sep, fixtures released 9am, Fri 21 Aug,
Carabao Cup starts Sat, 5 Sep, draw on Tues 18 Aug
EFL Trophy starts wc 12 Sep, draw on Tues 18 Aug

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Has Aaron Chapman put pen to paper yet ?

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Couldn't hold it yesterday he had his keeping gloves on.

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Sam Hart training with the lads would he be a good fit left back/left wing.

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Good update on were the club is from David Burgess on website about ground requirements for Covid pre season friendlys 6 all away, season tickets and possible I Follow passes built in probably no fans till at least 3rd October good read.

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cheers fer that, good update now a case of fingers crossed.:)

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Crewe Alexandra first XI beat an U23’s Accy XI 4-2 today.

Zanzala got a hat trick.

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Found his level then.

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Who played central defence ?

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Cinderella.

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Of course he did, can't help thinking he could come back to bite us :)

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Not worried one of the worst strikers I have seen play for Stanley.

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Harsh......

:) :) :)

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aye but true a grand lad but a crap footballer,

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Did you never see Craig Linfield play, rubbish striker but made a cracking right back eventually :D

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van helsing thought the same about dracula but that never happened.

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what a partnership that would have made. linfield and zanzala.

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I wouldn't go that far but Linfield to me was better than Zanzala even if it was just for keeping on his feet.

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Did you ever see the likes of Louis Moult, Jack Sampson, Fola Onibuje............

Abit harsh regarding Zanzala imo.

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Yes they were all pretty poor too doesn't make Zanzala any better he was poor but good luck to lad.

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lets be honest, the team with all them in wouldnt do a right lot.

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never thought i,d agree with a statement like that but i do 100 per cent.

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Little bird told me he's only here training won't be signing.

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Thats correct. Shame really. Understand we are looking at a 12 month loan for a keeper.

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Don't think we will make any more permanent signings myself down to present unforeseeable and unpredictable future.

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Meeting with club and supporters club today about return of football to the Wham good read when fans back it will be around 1500 max.

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Streaming of all games allowed until 50% crowds back season ticket holders free anyone else,£10 all home clubs to keep revenue.

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where yeh got that info from andyd?

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As an Accy exile I was hoping this might be the case. EFL have emailed me to visit Stanley website from tues 25th to re-register/re-subscribe for coming season. Was £4pm for radio comm + £10 if they happened to stream a game live. My calendar duly noted.

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All news sources point to the Daily MAil artcle last night and a deal with Sky to show it on our own websites.

Championship sides keep what they sell. L1&L2 to have a more complicated distribution formula to take account of the big disparity in the size of clubs.

Whilst it says free to ST holders, clubs will inevitably looking at charging full price for STs even for people who won't bother with a stream. On the other hands some fans might want to stay away all season and buy a virtual one, but at £10 per game it is ridiculous.

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How much would you charge?

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I it is internet only - max £10 a month for all EFL games that month including any club. Certainly not match day pro-rata prices for season tickets holding, "including" it in the price of the season ticket and giving them zero choice.

We lost 6 games last year, how many more this year?

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Can you post a link, please?

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Mike and all;

No idea where this "info" is coming from

EFL Board Update last night said they were close to a deal with all parties but not yet fully sorted.

Surely Club owners/ Senior Execs should know before the Daily Mail ??

Rick Parry has been asked good questions at recent online Exec meetings and has said please IF I give you my "thoughts" I don't want those thoughts on the back page of a national paper.:mad:

Yes, sure there will be streaming for non Sky games (BCD), work to do on Article 48 (3pm sat black out) but guessing home games free as part of ST package; all other games £10 per game

My gut feeling only

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Cheers for update mate :)

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Lost 6 games that a refund was available for.
£10 for as many people to watch it in a household.
4x £20 tickets could be lost for 1x £10 iFollow ticket.
Not to mention loss in other spends on a match day.

IF I spent £20 on a match day ticket for a game, in unusual circumstances such as now I would have no problem paying £20 for iFollow.
Just my opinion and appreciate everyone is different.

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[QUOTE=StanleyJosh;1243767Lost 6 games that a refund was available for.
[/QUOTE]
Your quit Right in what you say StanleyJosh But and its A Big BUT :) How meany thought that the season would have been completely abandoned with so meany games left to play, think everyone hoped that the season would have started up again.

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The club have offered zero for the called off games so far for games due it it being cancelled.

There was a refund offered for 5 games assuming they were played and people didn't want to risk going, this offer wasn't made after the season was called off and people had no option to go. The club have been quiet on this.

The 6th game lost was Bury, no refund expected, but it is possible there are more like Bury this season.

Sky did premier league internet games for £5.99 a month June to August, they didn't have every game but had the majority. Season ticket holders who didn't have Sky or BT given free sky sports days passes for Now TV for homes games, and free BT sports one off match codes too Season ticket holders were also given refunds by default or credit to the next season.

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The article I read about it was from The Sun, so it must be true :rolleyes::)

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so your admitting yer a Sun reader,:D

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Absolutely not! I read it on Facebook :)

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What's wrong with Sun.

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ask any liverpool fan. i wouldnt have it if it was free.

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All rags are basically the same Sun my preference because it's good sport coverage in my opinion couldn't care less what scousers
think.

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aye well thats were we are a lot different.

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Perhaps, AndyD, as a result of reading The Sun your memory is a little hazy.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/ne...gravest-error/

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its either memory or mind im not sure which,

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I also read the Mail as well being controlled by the government over Covid about what we do and don't is bad enough surely it doesn't cover choice of newspapers as well, some people have often questioned my sanity about watching Stanley it's a free country so we all choose different options but some of us aren't as quick at slating people,s choices.

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I’m not slating your choice of newspapers, but it was you who asked the question on a football forum about what was wrong with The Sun.

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“The Sun shines on the righteous“.....:hidewall:

I read that in The Daily Mail.....

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bit different in what normally scousers think and the sun reporting about hillsborough. people miles away from liverpool will not forget that in a hurry.