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[Margaret Pilkington]

You didn't answer the question.
What is being privatised by stealth?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You didn't answer the question.
What is being privatised by stealth?

I always say- was the question too difficult.

[cmonstanley]

hmrc HMRC to outsource sensitive tax work to India? - Public Sector IT and before you say it is to save money other projects have been found to cost more Ministers missed key evidence of fraud in welfare-to-work scheme - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

[cmonstanley]

i know ive cut and pasted this but this is the tories end game to exploit and destroy workers rights. youve got to read it to believe it
The House of Lords has blocked a move to allow employees to give up some employment rights in return for shares in the company they work for.

Peers from all sides strongly criticised the idea put forward by Chancellor George Osborne at last year's Conservative conference.

Former Tory cabinet minister Lord Forsyth labelled the scheme "ill-thought through, confused and muddled"

The plan was defeated by 232 votes to 178 - a majority of 54.

To cut red tape and help businesses, ministers want to introduce a new owner-employee contract, which allows owners to award shares worth between £2,000 and £50,000 to their staff.

In return, the employee would give up certain rights, including unfair dismissal, redundancy, training rights and also the right to ask for flexible working.

'30 pieces of silver'
But peers attacked the plans, with former cabinet secretary Lord O'Donnell describing them as "very harmful to growth".

"In the old days the price of slavery was 20 or 30 pieces of silver - is it now £2,000?" he asked.

Lord Pannick, an independent crossbencher who led moves to throw out the new contract, told peers: "Employment rights were created and have been protected by all governments - Conservative and Labour - precisely because of the inequality of bargaining power between employer and employee.

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"To allow these basic employment rights to become a commodity that can be traded by agreement frustrates the very purposes of these entitlements as essential protection of the employee who lacks effective bargaining power."

Lord King, a former defence secretary and one of 10 Conservative peers to rebel against the plans, said: "I'm a strong supporter of this government.

"I hate standing up here to criticise something, but I have a greater duty to this government to prevent them going down a track that I think would lead to really unhappy consequences."

Tory Baroness Wheatcroft, a former editor and business journalist, said she feared the plan would "bring out the worst in business and not the best".

Other Tory rebels included former Chancellor Lord Lawson, former cabinet minister Lord Deben and former chief whip in the Lords Lord Denham.

Labour's Lord Adonis said removing the clause would be an "act of mercy" to the government.

'Humiliating defeat'
"The idea that depriving employees of these basic rights is somehow going to boost growth is not supported by a single employer I have met, let alone [an] employee," he said.

Defending the plans, business minister Viscount Younger of Leckie said: "This government wants a labour market that works for employees, employers and individuals.

"We want to give individuals more chances to share in the growth agenda and to own shares in their employer."

He said the scheme was a "new way of attracting high calibre talent to growing companies" although it "may not suit everyone".

Commenting on the defeat TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: "This humiliating defeat reflects the near universal thumbs-down it has received from business and unions.

"The margin of defeat - a big victory for union campaigning - suggests that ministers should quietly abandon this policy."

It will now be up to MPs to decide whether to reinstate the plans when the Growth and Infrastructure Bill returns to the Commons.

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Osborne: Stick with us despite gloom

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so we had a credit crunch ? yes so why are the tories creating 95% mortgages which were the creation of the credit crunch ie northern rock etc so not only 95% mortgages even if they fail the goverment are going pay to write them off with 195 billion pound so its a win win for the banks who created the mess .not the last labour goverment who were creating growth yes jaysay growth which is alien to the tories .you cant argue with the truth.he is desperate for triple aaa but its never going to happen as the imf think he is inept. growth down unemployment up he is a downgraded chancellor

a little knowledge is very dangerous, in your case what you know would fill a book, a very thin book, what you don't know would fill the Bodleian. I find it very amusing somebody calling Osborne inept who can't even spell Government

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so we had a credit crunch ? yes so why are the tories creating 95% mortgages which were the creation of the credit crunch ie northern rock etc so not only 95% mortgages even if they fail the goverment are going pay to write them off with 195 billion pound so its a win win for the banks who created the mess .not the last labour goverment who were creating growth yes jaysay growth which is alien to the tories .you cant argue with the truth.he is desperate for triple aaa but its never going to happen as the imf think he is inept. growth down unemployment up he is a downgraded chancellor

You sound like the Bilko lookalike (Robinson of the BBC) Time he went back to the motor pool and took you and that little fat guy on the labour front bench with you. Do you nod your head or punch the air when you find something to cut and paste?

[cmonstanley]

ye ye ye

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by jaysay

a little knowledge is very dangerous, in your case what you know would fill a book, a very thin book, what you don't know would fill the Bodleian. I find it very amusing somebody calling Osborne inept who can't even spell Government

you havent got a clue just wait till universal credit comes in.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by jaysay

a little knowledge is very dangerous, in your case what you know would fill a book, a very thin book, what you don't know would fill the Bodleian. I find it very amusing somebody calling Osborne inept who can't even spell Government

Surely it would be a replacement for the Beano or Dandy

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Surely it would be a replacement for the Beano or Dandy

far to highbrow for C'mon are those Barrie

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you havent got a clue just wait till universal credit comes in.

Why do you already know what you'll be getting I do

[cmonstanley]

cheers

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

cheers

Cat got your tongue

[jaysay]

I'm really surprised at C'mon that he hasn't mentioned the Government increasing its payments to the conversion of the Olympic Stadium by £25 million, so West Ham can move in, taking their commitment to £60 million. To me this is totally wrong, if West Ham want to use this stadium as a commercial enterprise, then why should the tax payer fund it, its a total nonsense

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Cat got your tongue

Hopefully,north of the border it's finally clicked.
'If thas nowt to say, keep thee gob shut' ?