The Tories - Page 176

cmonstanley · 15-03-2013, 22:11

dont believe their lies.the tory propoganda machine is well and truly oiled.this country is going to end up like greece nobody collecting tax.

Margaret Pilkington · 16-03-2013, 07:26

What are blathering on about again.......just because they close face to face enquiry centres doesn't mean that the taxes won't be collected....it just means that if you have a problem, you will not be able to go and see someone about it...you will have to either telephone them or use e-mail to contact them.
HMRC are a law unto themselves.......they do not see the tax paying public as their employers....but as their victims.........they always have done, whoever was in power.

cashman · 16-03-2013, 07:33

Hes completely flipped this time Margaret.

jaysay · 16-03-2013, 08:15

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

dont believe their lies.the tory propoganda machine is well and truly oiled.this country is going to end up like greece nobody collecting tax.

Why don't to stop flogging a dead horse, you make yourself look like a clown every time you come on the only thread you post on Bye Bye

jaysay · 16-03-2013, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

What are blathering on about again.......just because they close face to face enquiry centres doesn't mean that the taxes won't be collected....it just means that if you have a problem, you will not be able to go and see someone about it...you will have to either telephone them or use e-mail to contact them.
HMRC are a law unto themselves.......they do not see the tax paying public as their employers....but as their victims.........they always have done, whoever was in power.

And that's irrespective of who's in power at Westminster Margaret, HMR&C don't take any prisoners and are a law unto themselves

davebtelford · 16-03-2013, 09:04

"HMRC are a law unto themselves.......they do not see the tax paying public as their employers....but as their victims.........they always have done, whoever was in power."

"HMR&C don't take any prisoners and are a law unto themselves."

I worked in (& for) the Inland Revenue for 26 years. All we ever tried to do was to apply the legislation fairly & without discrimination. If the result is that people have to pay over money - which is what REALLY puts their backs up - then so be it. I regard the above comments as an insult.

jaysay · 16-03-2013, 09:20

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Originally Posted by davebtelford

"HMRC are a law unto themselves.......they do not see the tax paying public as their employers....but as their victims.........they always have done, whoever was in power."

"HMR&C don't take any prisoners and are a law unto themselves."

I worked in (& for) the Inland Revenue for 26 years. All we ever tried to do was to apply the legislation fairly & without discrimination. If the result is that people have to pay over money - which is what REALLY puts their backs up - then so be it. I regard the above comments as an insult.

My Daughter worked for the IR&C for years, I speak to her again now

cashman · 16-03-2013, 09:21

Sorry dave, yer defending the indefensible, I have had a relative n a few friends worked fer I.R. (now retired) n they were always very helpful. only 16 months ago i got a bill from em, fer tax i hadn't paid on me company pension.

fer a few years, I was completely unaware of this, as i get a letter every year,telling me my code number etc, So like most people i trust what they tell me is correct, How is a layman supposed to know different?

They told me it is "MY RESPONSIBILITY" to know if me code number is wrong,

So to cut a long story short,i am now paying back a few "K" i knew sod all about, so i think they are completely useless, if yeh wanna feel insulted, be my guest.

Margaret Pilkington · 16-03-2013, 09:24

I am sorry you feel insulted, but this a personal opinion based on my own and family members experiences.
It isn't about having to pay the money...that is a fact of life(and anyone who knows me will tell you that I am keen to pay my own way in life), but it is about when they (HMRC) get the calculations wrong, but somehow it is our fault........and I'm talking PAYE here...not self assessment or self employment. If you give HMRC the facts and they then get their calculations wrong........how is it my fault.
And the demands for the money were intimidating.

These are not respectful actions of an organisation which is employed by me as a tax payer.
My comments were not intended to be insulting, just factual.

accyman · 17-03-2013, 15:47

when you owe the tax man money he wants it right now.When they owe you money they give it you back in dribs and drabbs over the tax year by altering your tax code so you get a few quid each week back

if however you owe the tax man millions he takes you for lunch and begs you to pay money you owe even when he knows you have billions in teh bank

cmonstanley · 20-03-2013, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am sorry you feel insulted, but this a personal opinion based on my own and family members experiences.
It isn't about having to pay the money...that is a fact of life(and anyone who knows me will tell you that I am keen to pay my own way in life), but it is about when they (HMRC) get the calculations wrong, but somehow it is our fault........and I'm talking PAYE here...not self assessment or self employment. If you give HMRC the facts and they then get their calculations wrong........how is it my fault.
And the demands for the money were intimidating.

These are not respectful actions of an organisation which is employed by me as a tax payer.
My comments were not intended to be insulting, just factual.

the thing is, its getting privatised by stealth

cmonstanley · 20-03-2013, 18:20

why do my taxes have to pay for someone elses mortgage. we are up the creek what does osborne do yep give the banks another 140 billion pounds and promises to under write defaults.he has totally lost the plot.

jaysay · 20-03-2013, 18:55

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

why do my taxes have to pay for someone elses mortgage. we are up the creek what does osborne do yep give the banks another 140 billion pounds and promises to under write defaults.he has totally lost the plot.

Sadly you have never had the plot, give up while your losing

Margaret Pilkington · 20-03-2013, 19:16

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the thing is, its getting privatised by stealth

What is being privatised by stealth?

cmonstanley · 20-03-2013, 19:56

so we had a credit crunch ? yes so why are the tories creating 95% mortgages which were the creation of the credit crunch ie northern rock etc so not only 95% mortgages even if they fail the goverment are going pay to write them off with 195 billion pound so its a win win for the banks who created the mess .not the last labour goverment who were creating growth yes jaysay growth which is alien to the tories .you cant argue with the truth.he is desperate for triple aaa but its never going to happen as the imf think he is inept. growth down unemployment up he is a downgraded chancellor