Referendum is a load of crap.!! - Page 81

DaveinGermany · 30-03-2017, 05:22

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Tony Blair was a closet Catholic and 'came out' after he left office...though I am not sure why he did this.

If Blair did anything, it was for his own benefit you can guarantee that, the loathsome creature that he is!

Margaret Pilkington · 30-03-2017, 06:39

Yes, of course he did. I am sure that he would only ever do what benefits him(either financially or in relation to his reputation...which is tattered and lack lustre).

On a another totally different note.
I see that Francois Hollande is talking about making Britain pay...making Brexit economically painful.
(Yet Donald Tusk says we are missed.)
Why would we EVER want to be part of an organisation which uses such tactics?
We should have signed Article 50 straight away. We would already be over a third of the way through the process by now.

hilleluk · 20-06-2017, 12:41

Exiting the EU is probably the most important thing that this country has ever had to do.
The Labour party are asking people to go onto the streets of London and protest against the Queen's speech tomorrow, hoping to bring down the elected Government.
Like it or not, the Conservative's won the election. with the largest percentage of the votes, plus more seats than Labour. I voted for Teresa May for Prime Minister, OK the Manifesto was a shocker, but in my mind she is still the best person to lead this Country.
The Conservative remainers have a duty to get behind her, stand together for the good of the Country, give her a decent chance. If there is another General Election, it is likely that Jeremy Corbyn and Labour would win. Anarchy on the streets is what they are preaching, take over any empty flats or houses for the homeless.
The newspapers and media are not giving the true picture of what is happening to this Great Country of ours. WHY!!!

cashman · 20-06-2017, 16:02

I have just been watching a proclamation by a former President of Czechoslovakia, saying its time to leave the E.U. and he gives damn good reasons why they should, be very interesting to see what if anything develops from this i reckon,

accyman · 20-06-2017, 19:29

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Originally Posted by hilleluk

Exiting the EU is probably the most important thing that this country has ever had to do.
The Labour party are asking people to go onto the streets of London and protest against the Queen's speech tomorrow, hoping to bring down the elected Government.
Like it or not, the Conservative's won the election. with the largest percentage of the votes, plus more seats than Labour. I voted for Teresa May for Prime Minister, OK the Manifesto was a shocker, but in my mind she is still the best person to lead this Country.
The Conservative remainers have a duty to get behind her, stand together for the good of the Country, give her a decent chance. If there is another General Election, it is likely that Jeremy Corbyn and Labour would win. Anarchy on the streets is what they are preaching, take over any empty flats or houses for the homeless.
The newspapers and media are not giving the true picture of what is happening to this Great Country of ours. WHY!!!

the only thing i can think of that the left wing lot are good at is not accepting a democratic result

they are awesome at it

Sugar · 07-07-2017, 08:17

Tony Blair - What's different, most politicians are self serving. If they're not and they do attempt to make society fairer then our media destroys them with the help of the public they've already brain washed.

cashman · 07-07-2017, 08:36

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Originally Posted by Sugar

Tony Blair - What's different, most politicians are self serving. If they're not and they do attempt to make society fairer then our media destroys them with the help of the public they've already brain washed.

Blair destroyed socialism simply to get elected,he turned Labour into Tory in disguise.

monkey hanger · 07-07-2017, 09:28

On a another totally different note.
I see that Francois Hollande is talking about making Britain pay...making Brexit economically painful.
(Yet Donald Tusk says we are missed.)
Why would we EVER want to be part of an organisation which uses such tactics?
We should have signed Article 50 straight away. We would already be over a third of the way through the process by now.[/QUOTE]

problem is that if they make it easy for us to get out of the club there,s a fear that more would follow. make an example of us then other countrys euro sceptics will be kept in check.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-07-2017, 10:24

I think that The EU is doomed anyway.
It is an undemocratic organisation that is top heavy with expensive bureaucracy.
Only recently there were only 30 or so MEP's turned up for a morning session of their parliament. We have never been on the winning side of a debate since our inception into this 'club'
When others see the tactics that these at the top of the EU will employ, why can they not see that they are being dominated...having their sovereignty removed?
It says a lot about them...and their bullying.
We were never their flavour of the month...and I think that is because we are not(and never have been) European.

It is time we just left...no wrangling, just tell them to stick the whole shebang where the monkey shoves his nuts...and do it sideways!

I despair of us ever getting out. If we opt for the soft Brexit, then we have all of the expense, few of the benefits, those currently in the EU will still be able to come here...and send the money back home to benefit their homeland economies....and we will have absolutely NO SAY in any of the legislative process...so why would you want that option?

I voted to be OUT...right out...no strings to tie us in any way shape or form...and I believe those who voted to leave also wanted that too.

cashman · 07-07-2017, 10:26

All those i know who voted Leave certainly wanted OUT end of and stuff Em.No strings Just OUT.

Exile on Spencer St · 07-07-2017, 14:39

All this political cr*p that continues to be spouted about soft and hard Brexit is just so much bullsh*t intended only to keep the media happy and a bunch of half-wit politicians in the news.
As I recall, before we had a rare chance to vote on something meaningful, Cameron went to negotiate with the European Empire. What he came back with was the equivalent of a 'soft' Brexit (that is, no change, mate, like it or LEAVE it).
Voters rightly understood what was on offer, and chose the latter.
But, as ever, too many of our politicians serve not their voters but the bankers and their corporate friends.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-07-2017, 15:42

Yes, he got a worse deal than Jack(of beanstalk fame)...but then I really believe he did not want any kind of deal.
You don't send a half hearted clown to negotiate with tigers do you?
They(JC Juncker and his cohorts) knew this and offered nothing worth having.
We cannot get out of this toxic spider web soon enough for me.

monkey hanger · 08-07-2017, 08:16

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Originally Posted by cashman

All those i know who voted Leave certainly wanted OUT end of and stuff Em.No strings Just OUT.

totally agree with you there cashy that,s how me and my mates and family saw it. unfortunetly there,s a large number of the younger generation i.e. those who were born after the e.u. and common market was established and totally believe the end of the world will happen if we come out of the club. they believe the pro euro stance of anyone who thinks there way and think the older gerenation will put em into some sort of 30,s depression. they,ll do anything in their power to keep us in and i only will believe we,re out when we,re actually out. this subject will not go away for years.

Margaret Pilkington · 08-07-2017, 08:37

The thing about many of those younger generation is that they did not vote.
Also, many of them swallow what they are told without thinking about it...They believe the media hype. They do not look into what they are being told and ask what the motives of the agencies are, who are feeding them this stuff.
Another aspect is that they have only lived under the auspices of the EU....they know nothing different.

I am old enough to remember the time before the EU.
I remember that we were sold the organisation as a pure trade organisation.
It has turned into something far different...with tentacles that have insidiously grasped many aspects of our daily life(to our detriment)...this has been done with the complicity of political parties of all shades.

cashman · 08-07-2017, 08:48

Some of those students that did vote VOTED TWICE, that should be investigated and prosecutions should happen.