11grand to discuss multiculturilism

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Bagpuss

And so are we but you know as well as I do that to get any funding you have to be shown to support the minorities even if it means thousands more pounds of tax payers money going towards these tinpot schemes, you carry on attending the freebies if it makes you feel better, what a waste.

Absolutely not. This has to be a complete mix of faiths and cultures. Why does everyone assume that when the subject matter includes everyone that we're really talking about minorities.

Plus, I take exception to this on a lot of other levels too. I organise a lot of projects and events and some of them are targetted at more 'white' audiences and I don't see people objecting to those events or activities. You can't have it both ways. Just because some projects INCLUDE minorities (by the way, are mormon's and buddhists minorities?) that doesn't mean that everything is for minorities. A broad base of projects covers a broad base of the population but not every project can do that on its own.

[Ianto.W.]

The money comes from the Home Office according to the news report, same public purse different pot. No one is going to tell you "I live here because I get a lager slice of the cake." no more like "there is no alternative for me and many more like me," to spend 11 thousand pounds on a scheme like this, 'in my opinion' is a waste of public funds.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by spinner

at the end of the day i feel it has nothing to do with bringing cultures togeather but an innovitive way of someone (who wouldnt be able to get a decent job otherwise) using this cause to get themselves fundeing for a nice easy intellectually challenged job. oh bigo theve succeeded and try to make the rest of us feel that they are really in a smart and responsible job.

Quite offended by this. This is a decent job, it's hard work and I work hard.

I don't ask everyone else on here to justify their jobs. You are rude and this is an unnecessary attack.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

I just want to know which direction this breaching of divides of multi cultures will take? I am sick of hearing how I have to accept others way of life into my culture, GET OVER YOURSELVES I ALREADY HAVE, because I have had to endure years of having it rammed down our throats hearing how we have to accept it!! If people butted their big noses out maybe we would live side by side. When one seems to gain more than another, be it public funding, people start to resent that fact.

Nobody is gaining more than any other. Although, having said that, I'm white and middle class so may be I should let some Asian have the funding!

[Bagpuss]

Gayle no matter if I would like to participate in this survey to do so would go against everything I have been saying in this thread plus if people do participate it only encourages yourself and others like you that there is an interest and produce more surveys at great expense to the taxpayers.

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by Gayle

Quite offended by this. This is a decent job, it's hard work and I work hard.

I don't ask everyone else on here to justify their jobs. You are rude and this is an unnecessary attack.

Quite correct Gayle, personal attacks are unacceptable, you do a fine job of work promoting the arts in Hyndburn, people will not aggree with all your projects that is human nature. I think apologies are in order from a certain quarter.

[Sparkologist]

What gets my hackles up, is not which direction the money is being doled out, but the fact that money is being flung around by this government like confetti at a wedding, when we cannot staff our hospitals with enough nurses and the ones that are there are leaving in droves due to being overworked and undervalued.
I understand your arguement, Gayle, about the money being made available, so hyndburn might as well apply for a slice of the pie. What I don't agree with is the fact that the money is being spent in the first place. It doesn't cost 11 grand for people to talk to one another. To talk and hold a conversation is free; it doesn't cost anything. But first people have got to want to talk to one another.

[spinner]

to gayle re i am not rude and for someone to outlandishly call me so says a lot more about them tham me. i apologise if you thought it personal i was being general and it was not intended to be a personal attack. i was talking from experience as i no so many so called community project workers who can barely string a sentece togeather. having failed in akll other jobs they become community project workers. ive seen it wth my own eyes.

[Tinkerbelle]

Originally Posted by Gayle

Nobody is gaining more than any other. Although, having said that, I'm white and middle class so may be I should let some Asian have the funding!

Gayle, I don't blame you for applying for the funding, of course you should apply for it because it's there, but the fact of the matter is that there shouldn't even be a Government pot for this in the 1st place.

Not twenty years ago we all managed to live side by side more amicably than we do now. It's only after the Government started ramming it down our throats that we have to bend over backwards to accomadate others cultures and faith that all the racial tension began. If someone was interested in another faith or culture then there's enough information out there for them to go and seek it for themself.

Instead, we have a massive amount of money in a Government pot that should be better spent, surely you can see peoples annoyance?

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by Sparkologist

What gets my hackles up, is not which direction the money is being doled out, but the fact that money is being flung around by this government like confetti at a wedding, when we cannot staff our hospitals with enough nurses and the ones that are there are leaving in droves due to being overworked and undervalued.

I totally agree with you regarding the hospitals and I'm sure that people who work in them must be weary of all the endless reems of paperwork most of which seems superfluous. I was at The Royal Blackburn (which to me will always be Queen's Park) yesterday and was seen by several different people, all in connection with the same op, but despite the information being there in my notes anyway every person I saw had to fill in a multipage document and ask me the same questions over and over again. It seemed such a waste of time and effort. Multiply this by the number of patients and it becomes ludicrous. Yet it isn't the fault of each of those individuals it's the fault of the system.

I understand your arguement, Gayle, about the money being made available, so hyndburn might as well apply for a slice of the pie. What I don't agree with is the fact that the money is being spent in the first place. It doesn't cost 11 grand for people to talk to one another. To talk and hold a conversation is free; it doesn't cost anything. But first people have got to want to talk to one another.

The thing about money circulating is that people benefit from it. If we didn't have professional photographers then not as much photographc equipment would need to be made or sold and maybe shops like Garth Dawsons would suffer - silly example perhaps but money does need to circulate for people to stay in business or in employment.

[spinner]

but the point is they could have thought about a more challenging project and anyway a proffessional photographer is not bound to garth dawson he is more likely to have bought from a specialist company on the net etc if its about money circulationg they may as well give it to garth dawson

[WillowTheWhisp]

I said that was a silly example but look at things like pie shops selling more pies if more people come into town for any given reson.

[spinner]

likewise i was also using it as silly example to make a case in point but droves of people arent going to come into accrington for community discussions its not exactly berlin film festival . anyway about spending the gov wants to curb it

[Gayle]

Please don't attempt to turn this around to me attacking you. I will remind you of your quote again.

Originally Posted by spinner

at the end of the day i feel it has nothing to do with bringing cultures togeather but an innovitive way of someone (who wouldnt be able to get a decent job otherwise) using this cause to get themselves fundeing for a nice easy intellectually challenged job. oh bigo theve succeeded and try to make the rest of us feel that they are really in a smart and responsible job.

You are clearly talking about this project so how can you say that you are talking about community workers in general?

I maintain that you are rude to attack me in this way and I await your apology. You have no idea about the work I do.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

Gayle, I don't blame you for applying for the funding, of course you should apply for it because it's there, but the fact of the matter is that there shouldn't even be a Government pot for this in the 1st place.

Not twenty years ago we all managed to live side by side more amicably than we do now. It's only after the Government started ramming it down our throats that we have to bend over backwards to accomadate others cultures and faith that all the racial tension began. If someone was interested in another faith or culture then there's enough information out there for them to go and seek it for themself.

Instead, we have a massive amount of money in a Government pot that should be better spent, surely you can see peoples annoyance?

Yes, I can see people's annoyance, of course I can - the Government squanders money right left and centre in the health service with all the bureaucracy. It allocates millions to the health service already which it should spend on services and not civil servants. However, all the money in the country can not go to the health service, there has to be more to life than that.

There is a very small, almost miniscule percentage of government funding going to the arts - it's not the 1% that spent on the arts that is badly managed it's the rest of the 99%.