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Less 10-11-2013 20:10

Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082941)
Hi Less,
"Being a Christian" is about following Christ. It has nothing to do with being good as I have explained in an earlier post. I really ought to say, "wake up at the back there," but I won't. I my opinion, anybody who is offended by a greeting should move south of the Watford Gap where they all detest greetings. Up North where we all eat tripe, cow heels and pigs trotters to say nothing of Bury black puddings and wear flat caps, ought at least be civil to each other and field rational arguments (no 'e').

So there ........

Do you know, all of a sudden I feel really sorry for you.
After a days worth of religious pap, I didn't think you could get any worse, well, you proved me wrong.
Anyone that can put the above out for the whole world to see, really should be offered the comfort of sympathetic ears. To help lessen your pain.
Here's the bit that makes me feel sorry for you, you won't find such reassurance on this site.

gpick24 10-11-2013 20:18

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082869)
...I may get lost and never return....

http://www.emofaces.com/png/200/emot...erscrossed.png

K99WARD 10-11-2013 20:21

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1082952)
Do you know, all of a sudden I feel really sorry for you.
After a days worth of religious pap, I didn't think you could get any worse, well, you proved me wrong.
Anyone that can put the above out for the whole world to see, really should be offered the comfort of sympathetic ears. To help lessen your pain.
Here's the bit that makes me feel sorry for you, you won't find such reassurance on this site.

A friend of mine used to say, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink," but would then add as a rider with a twinkle in his eye, "but you can make it wish it had." ;)

Boeing Guy 10-11-2013 20:22

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Let me get this straight. During the Second World War, the German public were not innocent only our children, because thats what your insinuating.
Don't get me wrong my Grandparents were involved in the war, one of whom saw action at Nijmegan and wss amoung the first Allied Soldiers into Belsen. But that was the past, your comments are rather bigoted to say the least.
When I visited Ghana, with work, we visited a Slave Museum with our guide. I felt ashamed, even though it was in the past, much like the Nazi Attrocoties are.

Less 10-11-2013 20:23

Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082956)
A friend of mine used to say, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink," but would then add as a rider with a twinkle in his eye, "but you can make it wish it had." ;)

Whaaaat?

You had a friend?

K99WARD 10-11-2013 20:28

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1082955)

Did you know that crossing one's fingers is a way of making the sign of the cross. Not many people know that. There are many idioms in common speech that originate in the bible like for example, "A little bird told me" when a person does not wish to disclose a source.

Ecclesiastes 10:20 KJV King James Version
Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber : for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

dotti34 10-11-2013 20:31

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Wow! Just got up (morning here of course) and decided to start the day off with a look at Accy Web while having my usual shot of caffeine. Always enjoy this start to the day - but this morning I have had a rude awakening (and not of the religious sort!). I am absolutely gobsmacked at all the drivel from K99WARD, is he having us on? Still it takes all sorts, and we all have a right to our opinions. Just shouldn't bombard others with it.
I notice he has only just joined - but I would think he has written more words in this short time than most of us have written over the years, though hopefully ours have been of more interest or whatever.
Certainly loves to see himself in print - wonder if he likes to hear himself talk as much.
After reading some of his spouting off (can't bring myself to read all of it!!!) think I'll go back to bed for the day.....

gpick24 10-11-2013 20:38

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082959)
Did you know that crossing one's fingers is a way of making the sign of the cross.

Wow, crossing your fingers makes a cross, who`d have thought it.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082959)
Not many people know that..

And even less care.

Margaret Pilkington 10-11-2013 20:50

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This is going to be a bit of a thread wander, but I reckon we deserve it.

K99....I don't know if you know this,but what you have done today is really very bad mannered. and I know that people of your age set great store by good manners.

You have come onto this forum, started a contentious thread and pontificated all day without having introduced yourself.
We know absolutely nothing about you, other than you are and evangelistic christian who seems to have an answer for everything and dismisses the opinions of others who frequent this forum.
Your bad manners is akin to me coming into your home, sitting down at your table and dipping my bread into your gravy.
Now I don't know what the etiquette of other forums might be......but here you should introduce yourself.

dotti34 10-11-2013 20:55

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Btw, I wonder how many 'good deeds' K99WARD does....wouldn't have much time to spare to help others after looking up all the quotes he is so fond of using and so very kindly sharing them with us.....
.....am crossing my fingers that he has run out of things to say. Don't think it will work somehow.

Neil 10-11-2013 21:05

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082830)
Hi again Margaret,
We don't get Mormons round our way but I have invited them from work in the past. We get plenty of JW's though and surprise, surprise, they give my house a wide berth. We occasionally get new ones who don't know and have to be rescued from turning blue with cold by their colleagues. I did once complain to their head office that they were not doing their job properly and they sent two of their senior people round but they keep well clear these days.

I am glad that you at least think about going to church Margaret but very much more is required than just thinking. The bible says, "ye must be born again."

Sorry but I am not sure I believe you. It's usually the other way round and christian ministers avoids JW's because of the way most religions bend the bible to mean what they want it to mean

DtheP47 10-11-2013 21:20

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1082827)
YOU are told not we.
I have had religion coming out of my ears I choose my own path, it is often littered with the corpses of those that insist they a right and I am wrong.
Funnily enough, those that I meet and allow me my own way, find that I am more than willing to allow them theirs.
!

Bit of hypocricy here Wizz when we read the Geese and Peacocks thread eh?
gotta go...I can't type anymore cos' my stigmata is itching like billyO

Less 10-11-2013 21:26

Christian Science
 
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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1082973)
Bit of hypocricy here Wizz when we read the Geese and Peacocks thread eh?
gotta go...I can't type anymore cos' my stigmata is itching like billyO

Ah there you are, wondered when you'd make an appearance, not to contribute just to display the bitterness you need to push in my direction.
You are a very sad man and I use the term man in the loosest possible term.
Get yourself a life because you can't ruin mine.

Margaret Pilkington 10-11-2013 21:30

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Less, do you think it is time I went out and got those slug pellets from the garage?

Less 10-11-2013 21:33

Christian Science
 
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1082977)
Less, do you think it is time I went out and got those slug pellets from the garage?

No thanks Margaret, just allow him his pathetic little ways, while he's trolling me someone in the real world probably hasn't got him ruining their life.
:)

K99WARD 10-11-2013 21:45

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Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1082960)
Wow! Just got up (morning here of course) and decided to start the day off with a look at Accy Web while having my usual shot of caffeine. Always enjoy this start to the day - but this morning I have had a rude awakening (and not of the religious sort!). I am absolutely gobsmacked at all the drivel from K99WARD, is he having us on? Still it takes all sorts, and we all have a right to our opinions. Just shouldn't bombard others with it.
I notice he has only just joined - but I would think he has written more words in this short time than most of us have written over the years, though hopefully ours have been of more interest or whatever.
Certainly loves to see himself in print - wonder if he likes to hear himself talk as much.
After reading some of his spouting off (can't bring myself to read all of it!!!) think I'll go back to bed for the day.....

Hi dotti,

I wonder what they teach at school these days. Does one take 'A' levels in Agnostics?

K99WARD 10-11-2013 21:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1082978)
No thanks Margaret, just allow him his pathetic little ways, while he's trolling me someone in the real world probably hasn't got him ruining their life.
:)

Hi Margaret,

What makes you all come to this thread. It's been dead for ages and then I come and you all wake up. Why not try another thread? Remember that it is fuel that makes a fire.

Proverbs 26:20
English Standard Version (ESV)
20 For lack of wood the fire goes out,
and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases. :rolleyes:

gpick24 10-11-2013 21:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082982)
Hi Margaret,

What makes you all come to this thread. It's been dead for ages and then I come and you all wake up. Why not try another thread? Remember that it is fuel that makes a fire.

Proverbs 26:20
English Standard Version (ESV)
20 For lack of wood the fire goes out,
and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases. :rolleyes:

Because you`ve revived it. It shows up as a when you click a certain button (not going to give you any clues), and it`s probably best to keep it going then you don`t start preaching on other threads.

Less 10-11-2013 22:02

Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082982)
Hi Margaret,

What makes you all come to this thread. It's been dead for ages and then I come and you all wake up. Why not try another thread? Remember that it is fuel that makes a fire.

Proverbs 26:20
English Standard Version (ESV)
20 For lack of wood the fire goes out,
and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases. :rolleyes:

Excuse me? We were talking off topic there, so that post doesn't count.

Concern ye not with what isn't worthy of thy concern.
Book of the bull AccyWeb version.

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1082969)
Sorry but I am not sure I believe you. It's usually the other way round and christian ministers avoids JW's because of the way most religions bend the bible to mean what they want it to mean

You are right of course, Margaret, but that is because most Ministers haven't taken the trouble to study the cults. The churches in the main these days no longer preach the gospel. If they did they would have no congregations. TV represents the church as a lot of weaklings and most of them are. It takes guts and God to stand up for the faith. Jesus said, "And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."

Less 10-11-2013 22:10

Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082985)
You are right of course, Margaret, but that is because most Ministers haven't taken the trouble to study the cults.

And you don't seem to have studied the quote how did you change Neil into Margaret?
Is it a miracle or are you a bit of a cult yourself?

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1082963)
This is going to be a bit of a thread wander, but I reckon we deserve it.

K99....I don't know if you know this,but what you have done today is really very bad mannered. and I know that people of your age set great store by good manners.

You have come onto this forum, started a contentious thread and pontificated all day without having introduced yourself.
We know absolutely nothing about you, other than you are and evangelistic christian who seems to have an answer for everything and dismisses the opinions of others who frequent this forum.
Your bad manners is akin to me coming into your home, sitting down at your table and dipping my bread into your gravy.
Now I don't know what the etiquette of other forums might be......but here you should introduce yourself.

Hi Margaret,

I don't mind you dipping your bread in my gravy as long as you don't betray me for thirty pieces of silver afterwards but there will be no communion wine. :)

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:23

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1082986)
And you don't seem to have studied the quote how did you change Neil into Margaret?
Is it a miracle or are you a bit of a cult yourself?

Margaret wants to know a bit about me so here goes. I am just a plain ordinary bible believing Christian like Billy Graham. I try to read well so that you lot can't seriously trip me up. You may be a bit upset because my creed is not yours. I don't support Accrington Stanley, not because I have anything against them but I am not interested in football. Well I guess that's all you need to know. I was very happily married for twenty seven years until the death of my wife. I loved her so much that I haven't looked at another woman since except perhaps to say hello or good morning.

Restless 10-11-2013 22:24

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If you want platform may I suggest The Railway on a Saturday afternoon :enough:

Less 10-11-2013 22:27

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Hmmm!!!

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:38

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Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1082964)
Btw, I wonder how many 'good deeds' K99WARD does....wouldn't have much time to spare to help others after looking up all the quotes he is so fond of using and so very kindly sharing them with us.....
.....am crossing my fingers that he has run out of things to say. Don't think it will work somehow.

Hi dotti,

Good deeds do not save, indeed good works before salvation are repugnant to God. I have that on the good authority of the Church of Engand who deemed it fit to include in their thirty nine articles of faith. Since it happens to be number XIII I call it "unlucky for some."

dotti34 10-11-2013 22:45

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My schooling was in the days, K99WARD, long before 'A' levels and the like were awarded - when blackboards and chalk, pens with nibs and ink in inkwells - useful for the boys to dip the girls plaits in, were used - so I do thank you for assuming (or so it would seem) that I am a more recent scholar. If only....
On the other hand I have to say that you really are full of it!!!!!!!

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:47

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1082989)
If you want platform may I suggest The Railway on a Saturday afternoon :enough:

"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Isn't the Internet a wonderful communicator?

gpick24 10-11-2013 22:51

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i have to say, if this is what the chosen few have to look forward to in heaven, then send me to hell.

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:52

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Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1082992)
My schooling was in the days, K99WARD, long before 'A' levels and the like were awarded - when blackboards and chalk, pens with nibs and ink in inkwells - useful for the boys to dip the girls plaits in, were used - so I do thank you for assuming (or so it would seem) that I am a more recent scholar. If only....
On the other hand I have to say that you really are full of it!!!!!!!

Did your teeth get on edge when the teacher broke a new chalk on the board? We were more civilised and untied the girl's sashes.

dotti34 10-11-2013 22:55

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Oops! I could say something about great minds and all that as we seem to have posted our entries at the same time - but thankfully MY mind is not full of biased theological clap-trap, so I decline.
Btw, who says that what the different religious entities believe is correct. I could enter many arguments here - but it would be a complete waste of time. Have better things to do.

K99WARD 10-11-2013 22:56

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1082994)
i have to say, if this is what the chosen few have to look forward to in heaven, then send me to hell.

I dare say that can be arranged but God would rather you repent. Don't people like a good scrap? It reminds me of school when I would take on six bullies at once and when one of them got downed they would howl liked whipped puppies and run off to tell teacher.

gpick24 10-11-2013 22:59

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082997)
I dare say that can be arranged....

No need, I volunteer. Then again, perhaps we are already there and you are the red hot poker.

Neil 10-11-2013 23:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082985)
You are right of course, Margaret, but that is because most Ministers haven't taken the trouble to study the cults. The churches in the main these days no longer preach the gospel. If they did they would have no congregations. TV represents the church as a lot of weaklings and most of them are. It takes guts and God to stand up for the faith. Jesus said, "And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."


So which church do you attend?

MargaretR 10-11-2013 23:06

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I have said little in this thread - it is dangerous to mock the afflicted.;)
Religion in Bipolar Disorder - Delusions and Increased Activities

“The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance...logic can be happily tossed out the window."
― Stephen King

K99WARD 10-11-2013 23:08

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Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1082996)
Oops! I could say something about great minds and all that as we seem to have posted our entries at the same time - but thankfully MY mind is not full of biased theological clap-trap, so I decline.
Btw, who says that what the different religious entities believe is correct. I could enter many arguments here - but it would be a complete waste of time. Have better things to do.

When The reformation took place, I think in the 1500s, it was the best thing that ever happened to England. Of course the Roman Catholic Church would tell a different story all about Henry VIII and his many wives which was of course true but it got rid of all the religious claptrap that was going on like the selling of indulgences and prayers for the dead that are nowhere mentioned in scripture. They were not perfect even then but it was a step in the right direction. Nowadays they seem to be reverting back like a dog returns to its vomit.

Wynonie Harris 10-11-2013 23:16

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Love it! A genuine hellfire-and-damnation Godbotherer. You don't get this sort of entertainment on Blackburnweb! :D

dotti34 10-11-2013 23:22

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Religion, sex and politics, have been and still are the cause of so many problems in the world - but of the three I know which I would rather have......and it ain't religion or politics.......

MargaretR 10-11-2013 23:24

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Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1083007)
Religion, sex and politics, have been and still are the cause of so many problems in the world - but of the three I know which I would rather have......and it ain't religion or politics.......

I have long since abandoned all three, and find life peaceful :D

Restless 10-11-2013 23:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082993)
"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Isn't the Internet a wonderful communicator?

You didn't get it. Oh well

dotti34 10-11-2013 23:33

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Earlier on this thread you likened yourself to being an ordinary bloke like Billy Graham. He was no 'ordinary' bloke - made a lot of money out of such-like as you I would say. Not my cup of tea.

Restless 10-11-2013 23:36

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1082994)
i have to say, if this is what the chosen few have to look forward to in heaven, then send me to hell.

"Hendrix is on harp tonight" -Bill Hicks

Restless 10-11-2013 23:52

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1083012)
"Hendrix is on harp tonight" -Bill Hicks

Silly restless got that joke the wrong way around

Less 11-11-2013 00:17

Christian Science
 
Well the vibes are coming through, I sense a dingle, but a dingle from where?
I get a sense of a medium sized town beginning with a c, Colne, no no can't be Colne, it's not a c it's... A b, Burnley yes a strong sense of Burnley, why does Lucas Aerospace keep raising itself in my images?
Of course if I had something of his such as a Bible to hold the images would come through stronger.
Lucas Aero space, why does it seem like old news? Because of death? No not death retirement.
Well, God moves in mysterious ways his wonders to perform, doesn't he Kevin?

Eric 11-11-2013 00:43

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1082904)
Well, that is the biggest pile of bull you've put on today, not even worth quoting, I suspect you may just be getting close to losing it, can I watch?

Seems as if he has a purpose in life ... making C'mon look good, real good:rolleyes:

Eric 11-11-2013 00:48

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1082880)

To be a christian you do not have to nail your colours to the mast......

An interesting choice of metaphor ... :D

Eric 11-11-2013 00:53

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083002)
Nowadays they seem to be reverting back

In what other direction can one "revert":confused:

Alan Varrechia 11-11-2013 00:53

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This sums it up nicely for me. :D:D:D

Eric 11-11-2013 01:30

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082913)
Hi Eric,
Nice to see you.

Have a nice day:o

Now I get it ... you work as a Walmart greeter; and you do the god thing on the side.

dotti34 11-11-2013 06:14

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On a serious note, K99WARD, how can you truly believe in the faith that you are preaching to us when such terrible things are happening in the world even as we write on this thread. For instance the absolute devastation in the Philippines – a deeply religious nation. Is this their reward for believing?
Now start to spout off about why this sort of thing happens. I know you will have some ridiculous reason why it is so. Maybe something about suffering brings us closer to everlasting life or some such twaddle. Or that your God is angry with all the sinners in the world and so the innocent have to suffer, etc., etc., blah! blah! blah!
Sorry fellow Webbers for bringing a bit of gloom and doom to the thread but I have just been watching the devastation on the news – and it is so terrible….
…then I was reminded of all the religious quotes that have been posted from this man (I was going to say nutter – but as I don’t know him I will keep that opinion of him to myself).

Restless 11-11-2013 06:32

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I for one hope he doesn't reply to your post dotti. (Though it is an excellent one)

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 07:31

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082988)
Margaret wants to know a bit about me so here goes. I am just a plain ordinary bible believing Christian like Billy Graham. I try to read well so that you lot can't seriously trip me up. You may be a bit upset because my creed is not yours. I don't support Accrington Stanley, not because I have anything against them but I am not interested in football. Well I guess that's all you need to know. I was very happily married for twenty seven years until the death of my wife. I loved her so much that I haven't looked at another woman since except perhaps to say hello or good morning.

Like you, I have no interest in sport.....of any description.
Neither do I have any interest in reading stuff from an old book......in which the accounts may or may not be true...... And in any case, the text has been translated so many times it is possible for those translators to (innocently) translated what they thought was meant. We are all aware that some things do not translate well from one language to another.
If you see it as the word of God.....then that is ok by me as long as you don't expect me to believe it.

When God actually speaks to you......then do us all a favour, record the conversation and let us hear it.
You then, just might have something that will grab our attention.

On another matter entirely, but sort of linked. I can avoid all the posts about Accrington Stanley, and other sports....They have separate sections of the forum dedicated to the like minded souls who like that kind of stuff.
In general chat, you can't avoid stuff in the same way.....humans are curious and will look at much of what is posted in this section.Why don't you see if you can have a section dedicated to what seems to please you the most?

I have to say, I don't think there would be anybody in there besides you.
Or better still why don't you see if there is a site that better suits your purpose......something like EvangelistsRus!

jaysay 11-11-2013 07:56

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Not another holier than thou dip stick:mad:sod off

Less 11-11-2013 08:10

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1083033)
Not another holier than thou dip stick:mad:sod off

Careful Jay, he keeps a copy of the site rules as a bookmark in his Bible, bad enough he threatens us with the wrath of God, but you know you'll be in real trouble if the mods get involved.
:eek:

jaysay 11-11-2013 08:13

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1083037)
Careful Jay, he keeps a copy of the site rules as a bookmark in his Bible, bad enough he threatens us with the wrath of God, but you know you'll be in real trouble if the mods get involved.
:eek:

never thought of that Less, gods a push over, but Mike or Neil on a Monday morning:eek::eek::eek::D

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 11:01

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Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1082830)
I am glad that you at least think about going to church Margaret but very much more is required than just thinking. The bible says, "ye must be born again."


'Going to church doesn't make you a christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car'

I cannot take the credit for this quote it is something I read somewhere along the way my life has taken...I don't know who wrote it.
I tried to find it yesterday..but couldn't.
Reading the bible and spouting it to those who don't want to listen doesn't make you a christian either.

K99WARD 11-11-2013 11:57

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1083064)
'Going to church doesn't make you a christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car'

I cannot take the credit for this quote it is something I read somewhere along the way my life has taken...I don't know who wrote it.
I tried to find it yesterday..but couldn't.
Reading the bible and spouting it to those who don't want to listen doesn't make you a christian either.

Hi Margaret,

You seem to be quite against religion despite the following facts:

Key facts about the Church of England:

Church attendance and visits

1.7 million people take part in a Church of England service each month, a level that has been maintained since the turn of the millennium. Approximately one million participate each Sunday.

Approaching 3 million people participate in a Church of England service on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve. Thirty-five per cent of the population attend a Christmas service of some sort, rising to 42 per cent in London, nationally, and 22 per cent among those of non-Christian faiths.

The Church of England has the largest following of any denomination or faith in Britain today. More than 4 in 10 in England regard themselves as belonging to the Church of England, while 6 in 10 consider themselves Christian.

People support their local churches in many different ways at different points in their lives. Each year 3 in 10 attend regular Sunday worship and more than 4 in 10 attend a wedding in their local church, while still more attend a funeral there.

In 2009, 43 per cent of adults attended a church or place of worship for a memorial service for someone who has died and 17 per cent were seeking a quiet space. Both these proportions are increases on 22 per cent and 12 per cent respectively in 2001.

85 per cent of the population visit a church or place of worship in the course of a year, for reasons ranging from participating in worship to attending social events or simply wanting a quiet space.

Every year, around 12 million people visit Church of England cathedrals, including 300,000 pupils on school visits. Three of England's top five historic 'visitor attractions' are York Minster, Canterbury Cathedral and Westminster Abbey.


Sorry it didn't come out as a table. One wonders why you visit this thread when you are so against Christianity. Perhaps you would like to give us the lowdown on your religion. I for one would be interested. It will give me the opportunity of doing some research on it.

K99WARD 11-11-2013 11:59

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1083037)
Careful Jay, he keeps a copy of the site rules as a bookmark in his Bible, bad enough he threatens us with the wrath of God, but you know you'll be in real trouble if the mods get involved.
:eek:

Physician heal thyself.

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 12:06

Re: Christian Science
 
You misrepresent me yet again.
I have not said that I am against religion. That is an assumption you, yourself have made.
My spirituality is my business, it has nothing at all to do with you.
It is not something I care to discuss on an open forum. I would never discuss my beliefs, they are private.
Please do me the courtesy of not putting words into my mouth that I haven't said.
You do not know me well enough.

K99WARD 11-11-2013 12:09

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1083030)
Like you, I have no interest in sport.....of any description.
Neither do I have any interest in reading stuff from an old book......in which the accounts may or may not be true...... And in any case, the text has been translated so many times it is possible for those translators to (innocently) translated what they thought was meant. We are all aware that some things do not translate well from one language to another.
If you see it as the word of God.....then that is ok by me as long as you don't expect me to believe it.

When God actually speaks to you......then do us all a favour, record the conversation and let us hear it.
You then, just might have something that will grab our attention.

On another matter entirely, but sort of linked. I can avoid all the posts about Accrington Stanley, and other sports....They have separate sections of the forum dedicated to the like minded souls who like that kind of stuff.
In general chat, you can't avoid stuff in the same way.....humans are curious and will look at much of what is posted in this section.Why don't you see if you can have a section dedicated to what seems to please you the most?

I have to say, I don't think there would be anybody in there besides you.
Or better still why don't you see if there is a site that better suits your purpose......something like EvangelistsRus!

An interesting post Margaret but does an airline pilot check the date on his flight manual before he takes the joystick? I think not. Some documents are important regardless of age, especially ones concerning YOUR eternal welfare. Better watch out. You might die in bed tonight.

Less 11-11-2013 12:12

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083068)
Physician heal thyself.

Hi Kevin,

Still talking rot aren't you? I can turn wine into water, I have even been tempted by the devil outside my local pub, I said, 'get thee behind me Satan and push me in'.

However, my eye doesn't offend me so I'll leave it where it is.

If anyone needs to find a cure it must be you, all that on site religious diarrhea you keep spouting must be taking it out of you.

Restless 11-11-2013 12:14

Re: Christian Science
 
I can also turn alcoholic products into water, though its rather yellow in colour

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 12:15

Re: Christian Science
 
Never having been an airline pilot, I cannot answer your question....and it is a very poor analogy that you use to illustrate a point.
Your comment does not address the number of times the book you refer to, has been translated or to any possibility that some things simply do not tranlate well into other languages, or to the veracity of the translators. these things have to be considered.

If I die in bed tonight you need not worry about my eternal welfare, and neither do I.
(You really are a peal of Joybells aren't you)

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 12:16

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1083073)
I can also turn alcoholic products into water, though its rather yellow in colour

Rob...just don't make me any tea with that water :D

Gremlin 11-11-2013 12:17

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083071)
An interesting post Margaret but does an airline pilot check the date on his flight manual before he takes the joystick? I think not. Some documents are important regardless of age, especially ones concerning YOUR eternal welfare. Better watch out. You might die in bed tonight.

You had better ask BG, sorry Boeing Guy, about the flight manual, my bet is that he does check it.

Less 11-11-2013 12:19

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083071)
does an airline pilot check the date on his flight manual before he takes the joystick? I think not.

I'm sure BG will come back to you on that one.
:)


Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083071)
Better watch out. You might die in bed tonight.

Are you threatening a member? It certainly looks like it, I'll report your post just in case, so that the mods can decide.
:D

Boeing Guy 11-11-2013 12:25

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083071)
An interesting post Margaret but does an airline pilot check the date on his flight manual before he takes the joystick? I think not.

Actually, having upto date manuals on board is a legal requirement and its not called a Joystick, its a Control Column or Yoke (mainly for Boeings) and a Side Stick (mainly Airbus).
I suspect you wrote this to infuriate me, sorry to disapoint.

Btw, I changed my Avatar and Sign off, just for you, I do hope you like it.:eek:

Less 11-11-2013 12:27

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1083080)

Btw, I changed my Avatar and Sign off, I do hope you like it.:eek:

I noticed that, by coincidence so have I, I bet the guy I put up is more religious but just as ill informed as your guy.
:D

K99WARD 11-11-2013 12:40

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1083070)
You misrepresent me yet again.
I have not said that I am against religion. That is an assumption you, yourself have made.
My spirituality is my business, it has nothing at all to do with you.
It is not something I care to discuss on an open forum. I would never discuss my beliefs, they are private.
Please do me the courtesy of not putting words into my mouth that I haven't said.
You do not know me well enough.

Wrong Margaret! You have made it quite clear where you stand on these matters. Your spirituality is God's business.

K99WARD 11-11-2013 12:43

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1083078)
I'm sure BG will come back to you on that one.
:)




Are you threatening a member? It certainly looks like it, I'll report your post just in case, so that the mods can decide.
:D

This is not a threat. Ye know not the day nor the hour. The message is "be ready"

Boeing Guy 11-11-2013 12:46

Re: Christian Science
 
Are you?
Better get some praying in, just in case

Less 11-11-2013 12:47

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083084)
This is not a threat. Ye know not the day nor the hour. The message is "be ready"

O.K. so this isn't a threat is it a bribe? If so I'm 'ready', which pub are you taking me to?

I've got to warn you, I don't come cheap it'll cost you at least 7 pints, after all I've seen what you look like.
:thankya::Banane35:

Boeing Guy 11-11-2013 12:48

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1083087)
O.K. so this isn't a threat is it a bribe? If so I'm 'ready', which pub are you taking me to?

I've got to warn you, I don't come cheap it'll cost you at least 7 pints, after all I've seen what you look like.
:thankya::Banane35:

Good job i've just finished my cup of coffee......nearly needed a new Galaxy Tablet:eek:

K99WARD 11-11-2013 12:53

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1083022)
On a serious note, K99WARD, how can you truly believe in the faith that you are preaching to us when such terrible things are happening in the world even as we write on this thread. For instance the absolute devastation in the Philippines – a deeply religious nation. Is this their reward for believing?
Now start to spout off about why this sort of thing happens. I know you will have some ridiculous reason why it is so. Maybe something about suffering brings us closer to everlasting life or some such twaddle. Or that your God is angry with all the sinners in the world and so the innocent have to suffer, etc., etc., blah! blah! blah!
Sorry fellow Webbers for bringing a bit of gloom and doom to the thread but I have just been watching the devastation on the news – and it is so terrible….
…then I was reminded of all the religious quotes that have been posted from this man (I was going to say nutter – but as I don’t know him I will keep that opinion of him to myself).

It is a common failing of man (and woman) to blame God for man's sin. My wife used to call it "blaming the back shift." So you say, "why doesn't he intervene?" The answer lies in his love. We would all perish for our sins as he doesn't show preferences. He prefers to await his coming again when the saved will be with him in heaven and the unsaved will reap their reward. Just join the losing queue.

Less 11-11-2013 12:58

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083089)
It is a common failing of man (and woman) to blame God for man's sin. My wife used to call it "blaming the back shift." So you say, "why doesn't he intervene?" The answer lies in his love. We would all perish for our sins as he doesn't show preferences. He prefers to await his coming again when the saved will be with him in heaven and the unsaved will reap their reward. Just join the losing queue.


Hi Kevin,
Well, I don't blame any mans God for anyones sins, but then if I had a God he wouldn't be as vengeful as yours.

BTW

Oops sorry you don't like initials.

By The Way, I have decided to like the above post, I think it most unfair and hurtful that someone should leave AccyWeb without being liked at least once.
:cool:

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 12:59

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083082)
Wrong Margaret! You have made it quite clear where you stand on these matters. Your spirituality is God's business.

No, it is you who are wrong...are you saying that you know more about me than I do about myself?
You are making assumptions without knowing anything about me.
And if it is God's business, then that means it certainly isn't yours.

K99WARD 11-11-2013 13:00

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1083021)
Now I get it ... you work as a Walmart greeter; and you do the god thing on the side.

Actually I was a rocket scientist.

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 13:02

Re: Christian Science
 
and I was Mother Theresa.

Mog 11-11-2013 13:04

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083093)
Actually I was a rocket scientist.

I think you should have a rocket shoved up your jacksy.

Boeing Guy 11-11-2013 13:05

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083093)
Actually I was a rocket scientist.

Setting off Standard Fireworks does not count:D

Less 11-11-2013 13:07

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083093)
Actually I was a rocket scientist.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1083095)
and I was Mother Theresa.


Actually Margaret I believe!

Remember this post from yesterday?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1083016)
Well the vibes are coming through, I sense a dingle, but a dingle from where?
I get a sense of a medium sized town beginning with a c, Colne, no no can't be Colne, it's not a c it's... A b, Burnley yes a strong sense of Burnley, why does Lucas Aerospace keep raising itself in my images?
Of course if I had something of his such as a Bible to hold the images would come through stronger.
Lucas Aero space, why does it seem like old news? Because of death? No not death retirement.
Well, God moves in mysterious ways his wonders to perform, doesn't he Kevin?

I do wonder though were his rockets used for peace or war?

K99WARD 11-11-2013 13:08

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dotti34 (Post 1083011)
Earlier on this thread you likened yourself to being an ordinary bloke like Billy Graham. He was no 'ordinary' bloke - made a lot of money out of such-like as you I would say. Not my cup of tea.

Billy Graham is a man who didn't fall prey to the devil. He had a rule never to be alone with a woman except his wife and daughter. He never got a cut of the takings (offerings) but instead elected to take a salary.

The scripture saith: 1 Timothy 5:18 (KJ21)
18 For the Scripture saith, “Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his reward.”

Less 11-11-2013 13:12

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083100)
Billy Graham is a man who didn't fall prey to the devil. He had a rule never to be alone with a woman except his wife and daughter.

Hi Kevin,
So, your saying, he couldn't trust himself around other women but, didn't mind an incestuous threesome with his wife and daughter?
:eek:

Eric 11-11-2013 13:20

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083068)
Physician heal thyself.

"More needs [he] the divine than the physician":D

Ever think of moving to the U.S. ... I suggest somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line ... where your brand of luncacy is tolerated, even valorized, especially around election time.?

Boeing Guy 11-11-2013 13:26

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083100)
Billy Graham is a man who didn't fall prey to the devil. He had a rule never to be alone with a woman except his wife and daughter. He never got a cut of the takings (offerings) but instead elected to take a salary.

The scripture saith: 1 Timothy 5:18 (KJ21)
18 For the Scripture saith, “Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his reward.”

Nice Salary......
Billy Graham Net Worth - TheRichest

Eric 11-11-2013 13:34

Re: Christian Science
 
Hi Kevin,

Is this really you?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs

K99WARD 11-11-2013 13:36

Re: Christian Science
 
Is God pleased with the death of the wicked? - Ezekiel 18:32; 33:11

Question
Is God pleased with the death of the wicked (Ezek. 18:32; 33:11)? How do you personally deal with the death of the wicked?
Answer
Ezekiel 18:32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?

Boeing Guy 11-11-2013 13:39

Re: Christian Science
 
I prefer this passage of Ezekiel:
Ezekiel 25:17 - YouTube

Less 11-11-2013 13:44

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1083111)
I prefer this passage of Ezekiel:

I noticed the advert underneath was for AXA Insurance (no Kevin not initials it's spelt AXA).

A bit late for the guy in the chair weren't they? Or is that what happens if you don't keep up the payments.

Grrr, Insurance salemen, spawn of the Devil the lot of them!

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 14:04

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083110)
Is God pleased with the death of the wicked? - Ezekiel 18:32; 33:11

Question
Is God pleased with the death of the wicked (Ezek. 18:32; 33:11)? How do you personally deal with the death of the wicked?
Answer
Ezekiel 18:32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?

I have got to the point now when I want to say 'who cares' even though I know it will provoke a holier than thou response from you.

KiTChener 11-11-2013 14:05

Re: Christian Science
 
Well, having read most of the above, my only comment can be:

There's an hour of my life I won't get back!

K99WARD 11-11-2013 14:07

Re: Christian Science
 
Sorry Fellas - can't discuss work. Official secrets and all that.

Less 11-11-2013 14:11

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1083117)
I have got to the point now when I want to say 'who cares' even though I know it will provoke a holier than thou response from you.

Margaret, I care and as it says in the good book:-

Quote:

1. It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live.
— Albus Dumbledore

“Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone”

;)

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 14:12

Re: Christian Science
 
As Jim Royle would say...'Official secrets my.....
You know the word, but I am not going to put it in and give K99 the pleasure of reporting my post to the mods for a rule infringement.
K99 and pleasure, in the same sentence...now that must be wrong!

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 14:14

Re: Christian Science
 
Oh, and the 'shirt potatoes' do give the game away a bit. I am not a fella!

K99WARD 11-11-2013 14:17

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1083120)
Margaret, I care and as it says in the good book:-




“Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone”

;)

It is obvious Margaret that you care or you wouldn't keep coming back for more. This thread was dead until I turned up and made a chance remark and then it was like setting off a batch of MLRS missiles. Tell me, do all atheists live in Accrington. Or was I unlucky to hit a dark spot?

Less 11-11-2013 14:20

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083119)
Sorry Fellas - can't discuss work. Official secrets and all that.

It was you that brought the subject up, the rest of us that signed the act keep quiet.

Perhaps instead of shouting it you should have kept stum?
:lamer:

Less 11-11-2013 14:23

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K99WARD (Post 1083123)
It is obvious Margaret that you care or you wouldn't keep coming back for more. This thread was dead until I turned up and made a chance remark and then it was like setting off a batch of MLRS missiles. Tell me, do all atheists live in Accrington. Or was I unlucky to hit a dark spot?

I might just search out the thread of the last God botherer we ran out of town.

Margaret Pilkington 11-11-2013 14:26

Re: Christian Science
 
I keep coming back to see what more you can add to this discussion......and you rate yourself very highly......anyone can re activate a dead post by simply posting to it.
Coming back to this post is a bit like picking a big scab on your knee. You know you shouldn't be doing it, you know it will make you bleed all over your white socks, you know you will get told off for doing it....be told that you will bear the scar forever....but still you do it.

I don't think you have hit a black spot, just that people see less relevance of religion in their lives......and I would hazard a guess that this would be the case in what ever town you raised these issues.

Eric 11-11-2013 15:16

Re: Christian Science
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1083126)

I don't think you have hit a black spot, just that people see less relevance of religion in their lives......and I would hazard a guess that this would be the case in what ever town you raised these issues.

Maybe he should hang out in Kabul ... religion seems pretty relevant there;)

I keep coming back to this thread 'cause it's a cold, blustery day with intermittent flurries, and Kevin is providing free entertainment ...

Hi Kevin ... thank you.:rolleyes:


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