Corona Virus

[monkey hanger]

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1253074]

Yet there are still those out there who are begging for more of the same....too scared to go back to living without a mask.
What cowards we have become!

its not just the odd person either. there is a good percentage of the country who are quite happy to live restricted lives and have been frightened by the MSM to feel otherwise. the problem is that these peoples fears seem to be taken into account far more than us with the opposite take on the situation. many are not frightened in going out but either they have lost the habit and cannot be bothered anymore. or they refuse to live in a restricted society with the obvious end results. small businesses will be gone for good with more and more of the older generation ending up recluses for no fault of their own. seems a long time ago since lonliness of the old was a big issue. now more has been created.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Currently reading ‘Atlas Shrugged’, Margaret, and can’t believe just how relevant it is to our new ‘re-set’ world.

[cashman]

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1253074

Yet there are still those out there who are begging for more of the same....too scared to go back to living without a mask.
What cowards we have become!

Check out my Ayn Rand Signature....because that is exactly how it is for us now.[/QUOTE]well im sorry margaret you may as well be a denier calling people cowards for wearing a mask i think thats disgusting personally.

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by cashman

well im sorry margaret you may as well be a denier calling people cowards for wearing a mask i think thats disgusting personally.

being labelled a coward may be one step too far. anyone who wants to wear o totally in favour of them.ne then for me its your choice and i,d respect it. however do not expect others to go down the same path who choose to be unmuzzled as they have never seen any science that has been given out in total favour of them. i imagine anyway if the wearing became voluntary it would end up a 50/50 situation in the wearing but would stop the hassle that both sides would get if they fall into the opposite camp.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cashman

well im sorry margaret you may as well be a denier calling people cowards for wearing a mask i think thats disgusting personally.

Cashy, like you...I say it as I see it and if you are disgusted by my post, then that is your prerogative.

By the way if you go back and read what I actually posted you will see that you have put words into my mouth that I did not say.
Because I make a reference to the wearing of masks...and then make the observation of 'What cowards we have become' does not mean that I linked the two..it was you who assumed that I was calling those wearing masks cowards.

That was not my intention at all I just think that over the last year we have ceased to stand up for our freedoms.

But that you do not see this in my post is perfectly alright....differences are what make life interesting...lack of freedoms do not make life interesting and in some cases it is not living at all it is existing...ask those who have not been able to see their elderly relatives in care home for over a year...see what they say.
Ask those who have had to have sparse funerals.....see how these people feel about it.


We have been lied to over and over again.

[cashman]

i do not wear ae mask all the time,only when i have too,and you did intimate anyone wearing a mask all the time was a coward i am well capable of reading whats written, i can understand those who wear them even though i do not,and saying we have become cowards is a step to far i think.

[Margaret Pilkington]

If that is how you wish to interpret my post then so be it.....but it is not what I said.

We have been cowardly in not challenging what we have been rquired to endure.
We have freely gifted our freedoms to government bodies who have not told us the truth.
Why would statistics be manipulated to make a situation seem worse than it is?..Other than to scare the population into compliance?
A scared population is a population that will comply with whatever is asked of them unquestioningly.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

A scared population is a population that will comply with whatever is asked of them unquestioningly.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



Martin Niemöller (1946)

[Margaret Pilkington]

Freedoms are hard won and once surrendered they are difficult to get back.

Someone once said that all it takes for evil to prosper, is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
And the greatest deception ever practised was for the devil to convince us that he does not exist.

It is easier to fool people than it is to get them to see that they are being fooled.

All these things I have said throughout this thread.
I have not wavered in my beliefs.....but they ARE my beliefs.....I have posted the evidence of where my beliefs came from....they were not formed easily.

It is far easier to conform than it is to stand up and try to say what is not right.

[cashman]

i think that is utter rubbish personally,and you are under esimating people.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Which bit is it that you consider to be rubbish?

I cannot argue with what I can see.(I see people who side step me like I am a plague carrier....I see people who get into arguments because someone is two inches over a marker in a supermarket queue)..but you believe that it is rubbish and you are entitled to believe that.
I do not share your beliefs...nor you mine.
I can say no more than that.

[cashman]

every town has its share of idiots which people like those are in my book.i believe the majority have sense, your beliefs you are entitled to have.this pandemic was up to people to please themselves, which you and i did obviously

[Margaret Pilkington]

These ‘idiots’ (they are not idiots at all...just scared people who do not want to take a risk)have been made that way by relentless scarification by Sage, government modellers(who, by the way have got NOTHING right so far), the mainstream media too have
done their share of seeding propaganda for the government.
These people who do these things believe that they are protecting themselves from a deadly virus.
At one point we were being told by Whitby,Vallance, Van Tham that there would be 4000 deaths per day if we did not follow the rules.
There have been something in the region of 127 thousand deaths since the start of this pandemic....27,000 people contracted this while in hospital for something else.
The virus exists, but it is only fatal if you are fat, old, unfit and unhealthy.
It has culled the old and the infirm.
Mother Nature is doing what Mother Nature does....she prunes humanity.
However unpalatable that is.....it is a fact.

We need to get out and learn to live with this...develop our own immunities.
Big Pharma have enough money.


Why have the government lied and lied.....?
What is the motive for this?
I can tell you for certain that it will not be for our benefit.

[Mark2009]

We are all entitled to our own opinions but we should surely respect each other.
I think it was Voltaire who said something like I may disagree with what you say, but I wil defend to the death your right to say it.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mark2009

We are all entitled to our own opinions but we should surely respect each other.
I think it was Voltaire who said something like I may disagree with what you say, but I wil defend to the death your right to say it.

well voltaire was not that bright then how can anyone sensible agree with a terrorists right to spout the garbage they do that attracts idiots to join them?