HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Perhaps "blind loyalty" was the wrong choice of phrase, Ken, "misplaced loyalty" might be nearer the mark.

I'll tell you what's really cheesed me off today. We have you defending your colleagues, telling us that they have "intensive jobs" and implying that they don't post on here now because they don't have time.

Then we see them logging on here regularly. Bernard's certainly been on here more than once today. So, if they've time to log on, how come they don't have the time to comment like they were so eager to do before May 2010? And, I don't just mean about benches, I mean about a whole range of issues?

Perhaps we should just settle for 'less ably sighted'

Because poor Ken thinks neighbouring towns to Accy, charge you to park your bum on their benches.

'In memory of my dear sister Maud', obviously reads to some as 'Two quid an hour to sit here'.

Unless I'm being terribly unfair, and Cllr. Moss is just about to post the asked for list of such towns, with an ever so eager to please flourish.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by g jones

I have always said the same thing, people who comment on here are often absent at the meetings put on for them and don't see the 'other cavalry' (protestors against the porotestors)- just over the hill waiting to make the same criticisms about folks not listening and do it 'their way'.

Oh Graham, I'd like to apologise to you, and to all your Labour colleagues.

Because you're description could almost describe me.

Always on here, mouthing off.

I do try my very, very bestest to be more involved, with attending meetings and such. Which would then ratify, and legitimise my right to speak out publicly.

Having a degenerative, incurable disease such as Parkinson's means it's a triffle hard to plan to do anthing. I never know from one day to the next whether I'll be able to pull myself out of bed. Nevermind do anything so exciting as venturing past my own front door.

I really wish I was able to get out and about more, because that would mean I then had a right, to publicly spout off, about what I see as being right or wrong.

Until there's a cure for Parkinson's disease, I'll heed your kind, humane, and very understanding advice, and keep my opinions to myself, and will never again dare voice my opinion in public.

Yeah, right.

Dream on.



While you're here though, you ever so understanding, almost Saint like person, just pop over to this thread, and explain to your constituents as to why you posted on here that you didn't have a problem with an E.U. referendum, as it would settle the matter 'democratically', and two weeks later you voted against us all being allowed that 'democratic' right.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-59650.html

I hear there's talk amongst your constituents of gross hypocrisy, if there isn't a satisfactory explanation.

I'd pop over there, and settle that rather pressing problem, before trying to deal with the problem of people happy to say it as it is here. Such as me.

[garinda]

I think this is where how we were raised as children, compared to a some others, must come into play.

We were never constantly patted on the heads, and told we were good little boys.

Doing, or at least trying to do your best was just expected. A given. No need to heap praise on people's shoulders for that.

However, when we did do something wrong, we knew for sure that it would be brought to our attention, and we would have consequences to face for our actions.

Guess everyone wasn't lucky enough to have parents like my brother and myself.

Sadly.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by g jones

I am happy to post. In fact I suspect I write too much and post too much and some would prefer I was less engaging!

I have always said the same thing, people who comment on here are often absent at the meetings put on for them and don't see the 'other cavalry' (protestors against the porotestors)- just over the hill waiting to make the same criticisms about folks not listening and do it 'their way'.

It;s always gone on and always will do and we are all guilty of seeing things through our own prism. Anyone that says they are never guilty of it is somewhere between a hypocrite and a egotistical fool in my book.

You just have to learn to take the crap full square on.

I don't remember you issuing such provisos, about who has, and who hasn't the right to publicly speak out, when I was criticising policy decisions carried out when you were leader of the opposition, or rubbishing the opposition, whilst you were fighting Karen Buckley in the General Election.

Some, unkind souls, would try and paint that as perhaps being hypocritical.

Indeed I had, and still have them, many mesages of encouragement from yourself, Ken Moss, and even Clare Pritchard.

That's apart from the messages you sent me, with information you wanted publicly leaked, but were too afraid to do yourself.

Perhaps some would even say this calls into questions your judgement.

Choosing a 'right-wing', non-meeting attending, Little Englander, to do your dirty work.

I've got a feeling I'll probably not be doing it again.

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by garinda

As I said my own frustration is purely selfish.

As they happen to be the seats I've used more often than others, whilst shopping in Accrington. I sit there, when I've needed to, whilst someone else gets the rest of my shoping.

Every single person who posted in this thread thinks the decision is wrong.

All except two people I count as friends. A Labour councillor, and a Labour party activist.

Since no one has admitted which numpty is responsible for this decision, but oddly some seem a tad defensive, if the defenders do happen to know who authorised their removal, could you please inform the public, so we can contact them directly, asking that they are brought back?

Thanks.

i never said i was for it or against the benches being removed. I am neutral ... i can understand why they got rid of them but also why if they are breaking the law then why are there not police there to move them on ... or if its a council responsibility to move them on - wheres the council employee who can move them on? As according to whats been said the council and the police knew what was happening ... so why werent they there to sort it out.

I hardly ever walk round the front of the market hall .. if i have to i normally walk through the market hall and come out the front doors or go up the side of the market hall inbetween that and the townhall ... mainly because there isnt enough room to get past all the clothes rails and the seats for the hot food caravans there ... will say this though .. them pics were took on wednesday ..

[garinda]

...and Graham, don't try and comfort yourself, in the vain delusion that you have great public appeal, and massive personal support locally.

Word from the street...you don't.

Ignore us at your peril.

En masse the whole country turned against Labour at the last election.

Everyone sick and tired of all the sleaze, hypocrisy, and general disdain for the ordinary man and woman in the street your party now has. As was examplified by Gordon Brown's rudely arrogant dismissal of one working class Labour voter in Rochdale, Gillian Duffy.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Hyndburn is filled with Gillian Duffys.

Hard working folk who are worried about Europe, immigration, and paying tax on things like pensions, which they see the political elite fritter away on the most stupid causes.

So carry on, try and paint me as some right-wing bigot, and not a life long Labour voter. Ignore all the Gillian Duffys of Hyndburn.

Carry on.

Enjoy your moment in the limelight.

God knows you've done everything in your power to climb up there.

Enjoy.

Let's face it.

You're only our M.P. because you're not from friggin' Lytham St. Annes.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

i never said i was for it or against the benches being removed. I am neutral ... i can understand why they got rid of them but also why if they are breaking the law then why are there not police there to move them on ... or if its a council responsibility to move them on - wheres the council employee who can move them on? As according to whats been said the council and the police knew what was happening ... so why werent they there to sort it out.

I hardly ever walk round the front of the market hall .. if i have to i normally walk through the market hall and come out the front doors or go up the side of the market hall inbetween that and the townhall ... mainly because there isnt enough room to get past all the clothes rails and the seats for the hot food caravans there ... will say this though .. them pics were took on wednesday ..

...and as I said.

I've used them, and have genuinely appreciated them being there, on at least half a dozen ocasions.

I know you weren't being nasty.

You're not a nasty person.

I've admitted. I'm selfish. I miss them, and will shop in places where I feel more welcome until they're back.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by g jones

I am happy to post. In fact I suspect I write too much and post too much and some would prefer I was less engaging!

I have always said the same thing, people who comment on here are often absent at the meetings put on for them and don't see the 'other cavalry' (protestors against the porotestors)- just over the hill waiting to make the same criticisms about folks not listening and do it 'their way'.

It;s always gone on and always will do and we are all guilty of seeing things through our own prism. Anyone that says they are never guilty of it is somewhere between a hypocrite and a egotistical fool in my book.

You just have to learn to take the crap full square on.

Since you've decided to pop up here.

Rather oddly, as you are nothing to do with H.B.C. now.

However since you are still a County Councillor, as well as our M.P., perhaps you might answer this question, as you seem incapable of answering all our questions about the E.U. referendum, with your refusal to answer stance being seen by some as that of a hypocrite.

Are Lancashire County Council still funding openly racist organisations, such as the Lancashire Wide Network for Minority Ethnic Women, who advertise events that discriminate against anyone who is white?

If so why?

Surely racism is wrong, whoever the victim is?

Why isn't this condemned, or why aren't you fighting so they are facing prosecution, instead of being funded with our taxes?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ist-57146.html

Comments also welcome from any other of our 'Internationlist' politicans.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Its fine sending emails but why not post it on here

I am sure I have said this in the past when the other lot were in the big seat - AccyWeb is not HBC's official method of communication for responding to enquiries. If a Councillor wants to respond as Ken has been doing thats up to him but if you want to ask the Council a question then use the correct channels.

AccyWeb is good for Council bashing though

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

I am sure I have said this in the past when the other lot were in the big seat - AccyWeb is not HBC's official method of communication for responding to enquiries. If a Councillor wants to respond as Ken has been doing thats up to him but if you want to ask the Council a question then use the correct channels.

AccyWeb is good for Council bashing though

As I said earlier, people have grumbled at the actions of the ruling elite for centuries.

Accy Web is just the modern day equivalent of sitting in some snug, or chatting over the garden fence.

No one expects politicans to post replies defending their actions here, as this site is totally independent of any government body, as you say.

Politicans are as free to post here as anyone else. If they so wish.

Though no one's holding a gun to their head, forcing them to share their thoughts.

If they don't like it, they can do one.

Then can always carry on spouting off in their blogs, which few read, if they feel incapable of responding to any criticism of what they've said, or done.

Perhaps they should start their own politicans' forum.

In which they themselves can moan all day long, about how hard they all work, that no one trusts a word they say, and grumble that the electorate don't appreciate, and love them, quite as much as they'd like them to.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by garinda

No one expects politicans to post replies defending their actions here, as this site is totally independent of any government body, as you say.

Politicans are as free to post here as anyone else. If they so wish.

Though no one's holding a gun to their head, forcing them to share their thoughts.

It's up to them whether they post on here or not. After all, with the exception of "Whittaker" Tory councillors never post on here, as far as I'm aware.

However, when Labour were in opposition, we had councillors posting on here regularly telling us all about what the council were doing wrong. Now, they're in the hot seat, you very rarely hear a peep from them (with the exception, it has to be said, of Ken Moss).

So, if people notice that and draw their own conclusions, they can hardly complain about it. It certainly doesn't sit well with me.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps they should start their own politicans' forum.

In which they themselves can moan all day long, about how hard they all work, that no one trusts a word they say, and grumble that the electorate don't appreciate, and love them, quite as much as they'd like them to.

Indeed, if our local councillors hadn't wasted £591,000.00 of tax payers' money, and we still had a council run community website, politicans could have been calling all the shots.

Deciding who was allowed to say what, and censoring everything that didn't paint them in the best possible light.

Row flares over £591,000 spent on outdated website | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

Sadly we don't, as all that money only resulted in a now defunct website.

Happily we do have Accy Web.

Cheers Roy.

We salute you.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

It's up to them whether they post on here or not. After all, with the exception of "Whittaker" Tory councillors never post on here, as far as I'm aware.

However, when Labour were in opposition, we had councillors posting on here regularly telling us all about what the council were doing wrong. Now, they're in the hot seat, you very rarely hear a peep from them (with the exception, it has to be said, of Ken Moss).

So, if people notice that and draw their own conclusions, they can hardly complain about it. It certainly doesn't sit well with me.

Even odder, they actively encouraged criticism of the council, whilst in opposition.

It's sure all changed now.

Anyone unable to attend public meetings, such as the disabled, people working shifts, parents of small children, carers, the house bound etc, are now informed by our M.P. that they shouldn't really have the right to a voice anyway.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

It's up to them whether they post on here or not. After all, with the exception of "Whittaker" Tory councillors never post on here, as far as I'm aware.

However, when Labour were in opposition, we had councillors posting on here regularly telling us all about what the council were doing wrong. Now, they're in the hot seat, you very rarely hear a peep from them (with the exception, it has to be said, of Ken Moss).

So, if people notice that and draw their own conclusions, they can hardly complain about it. It certainly doesn't sit well with me.

Also, just like everyone else here, politicans are free to post using an anonymous username.

If they choose to post under their own names, or identify themselves as a politicans, that's their choice.

A choice made, we suspect to further their own political agendas, or to campaign, in order garner political support for themselves, or their own political party.

If politicans choose to post on here, and sup with the Devil, as well as using a long spoon, they really shouldn't whinge, and complain that the food's sometimes a bit too hot for their palate.






There's one good thing about the benches being removed from outside the Market Hall.

At least no one's going to get a wet arse today.

Jolly well done Clare.

[flashy]

we have to remember that councillors have lives aswell as being councillors, they do have day jobs and families and can't be expected to come on here everyday, it's not fair for them to be shot to pieces at every given opportunity Gary, no one can please everyone, ALL of the time, as you all well know i say what i mean constantly and i think this is all getting out of hand, you lot weren't happy with the last lot who where in power and it seems that you lot still aren't happy with the lot who are in power now, i don't know much about politics but i do know that the shizzle you are coming out with is coming across as a load of bollox and i think you have gone too far now, we have all had our own jobs to do in the past, how would you have felt to be constantly undermined in everything you did in that job? it's just not on and i think there should be an end to it before it is said that Accyweb is just a bullying forum, that wouldn't be fair on Roy and would make him look like a right fool, which isn't what this forum is about