Pakdasht justice? - Page 5

g78 · 17-03-2005, 17:48

But can answering death with death truly be justified ?

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Originally Posted by MichiganRed

The answer to your quandry is rather simple. Punishment is established to place a value, if you will, on the crime. For example, if you wish to exceed the speed limit, it will cost you "X" amount of money. Capital punishment simply takes the value with which you hold your own existence and places it on those around you. If you do not want to lose your life, you will not take mine.

garinda · 17-03-2005, 17:53

Oh l forgot homophobic, regarding theatre comments about lesbos in another thread.

Sticks and stones.....
l might quite like the pain.

Less · 17-03-2005, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I believe we should hang a bleeding- heart do-gooder alongside whoever is the guilty party, on the basis that if society is to blame (as they claim) then they can pay the price , too.

Didn't the Romans have a system where-by if you defended some-one that is guilty of a crime then you could suffer the same punishment? (Introduce that one & there will soon be a lot less application forms for legal aid going in).

MichiganRed · 17-03-2005, 17:57

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Originally Posted by g78

But can answering death with death truly be justified ?

In my opinion, yes. For any punishment to be effective, it must be severe enough to be a deterrent to the crime. If we, as members of the "civilized" world, are going to pride ourselves in the high regard with which we hold the sanctity of human life and the rights inherent to that life we must make the price for destroying that life so terrible that no one would willingly and carelessly do so.

Acrylic-bob · 17-03-2005, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Less

Didn't the Romans have a system where-by if you defended some-one that is guilty of a crime then you could suffer the same punishment?.

Not sure about that Less, but I do know that prosecutors who lost a case were branded on the forehead for being false accusors.

Less · 17-03-2005, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Not sure about that Less, but I do know that prosecutors who lost a case were branded on the forehead for being false accusors.

I know they also had a system where if you gave false evidence then the punishment was castration. I believe that is where the term testify comes from (you swore to tell the truth on the family jewels rather than to a God).

Acrylic-bob · 17-03-2005, 18:22

Etymology: 14c: from Latin testificari, from testis witness.

-pixie · 17-03-2005, 19:55

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Originally Posted by MichiganRed

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In my opinion, yes. For any punishment to be effective, it must be severe enough to be a deterrent to the crime. If we, as members of the "civilized" world, are going to pride ourselves in the high regard with which we hold the sanctity of human life and the rights inherent to that life we must make the price for destroying that life so terrible that no one would willingly and carelessly do so.

I fully agree. If you are willing to break societys "rules" and take a life, then you have no place and no rights in that society. If you want to be treated like a civilised human being, then you must act like one.

lindsay ormerod · 17-03-2005, 21:02

I personally think that Michigan Red put it so succintly that there needs to be no further debate on this.Wouldn't it be great if those in power actually saw this!

chav1 · 17-03-2005, 21:14

the way i see it the only thing stopping a pervert raping a child is the fear of having to be locked in a prison with cable tv , free food and councilors who tell them it wasnt their fault but societys

now that would scare the crap out of me life would be unbareable ime surprised people dare commit crimes when faced with such severe punishment

removal-man · 17-03-2005, 21:27

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Originally Posted by -pixie

Grisly end for a pervert

Flogged ... killer lashed 100 times
FULL NEWS INDEX
A SERIAL killer is flogged before being hanged in front of a cheering crowd of 3,000 Iranians yesterday.

Mohammad Bijeh raped and murdered 21 people, mainly boys.

He evaded cops for two years because he targeted kids of illegal Afghan refugees, too afraid to report them missing.

Bijeh was lashed 100 times before the brother of a victim stabbed him in the back.

The mum of another slapped Bijeh before putting the noose around his neck. He was then hanged in Pakdasht’s main square.

Barbaric...yes - but at least he's no danger to anyone else now. I just found this so unbelievable, especially when you comapre with our softly softly approach in the UK.
What do others think?

it wont catch on in the arndale.

Alice · 18-03-2005, 13:47

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Originally Posted by g78

But can answering death with death truly be justified ?

Ghandi said "An eye for an eye makes us all blind"

I'd like to suggest a middle ground though. Those found guilty could be given a life/death sentence with a maximum time (say 3yrs) in which to make their appeals. After that the sentence is carried out - no questions. This would be carried out in private with no public audience.

Also I would limit amount they could get for legal aid. If they wanted more they'd have to get some "bleeding heart liberal" to back them.

vorlon24 · 18-03-2005, 13:49

Would they have to wear the advertising in court, much like today's sports people?

Acrylic-bob · 18-03-2005, 13:52

I disagree there Alice, I think Justice should not only be done, but be seen to be done, otherwise you lessen it's deterrent effect.

I do agree with a limit on the time and funding allowed for appeals though.

Less · 18-03-2005, 13:55

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Originally Posted by vorlon24

Would they have to wear the advertising in court, much like today's sports people?

Knowing my luck I would end up sponsored by a tobacco company & have something along the lines of this added:-

Remember smoking & murder can seriously shorten your life!