reasons to hate the tories

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Back on its arse, where the hell have you been for the last two years, we've never been of our arse

Maybe not in rude health but at least fighting to keep unemployment under control. The Armed Forces' death of 47,000 cuts yesterday was only the start, I fear.

My main concern in a political role has to be Hyndburn and the potential impacts of today worry me. Frontline services in the borough are already taking a beating yet the power-that-be are preserving the administration team at all costs and throwing money away on fruitless ventures such as promoting Wednesdays in the Market Hall.

We need a country that is working hard in actual jobs, not creating more non-jobs and middle men that don't really contribute anything.

Police, armed forces, the BBC, binmen - all suffering real cuts.

The flabby old bureaucratic machine that is the civil service will be able to state on paper that 25% reductions have been made with barely any effort. The sole purpose of it is to make the figures add up, all you do is stop classifying certain roles as civil servants and there you have it.

We're going to have to agree to differ on this because I cannot see much that is good in the Tory spending model, either nationally or locally.

[JCB]

Spending cuts seem to be part and parcel of our economic system .

In the late 1970s we had massive spending cuts , demanded by the IMF , under the Callaghan Labour government .

In the 1980s we had massive spending cuts under the Thatcher Conservative government .

Now we are going to have massive spending cuts under the Cameron/Clegg Con/Lib-Dem government .

History repeats itself , and will continue to do so because the Lab/Con/Lib-Dem establishment is wedded to the same economic system .

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

We need a country that is working hard in actual jobs, not creating more non-jobs and middle men that don't really contribute anything.

So why the hell did Blair and Brown create 800,000 civil servants, take a look at the Guardian Jobs page which is crammed with as you put it None-Jobs, We are now overrun by out-reach workers coordinators and other weird and wonder jobs thought up by Labour, probable using the ethos if they work for us they vote for us

[garinda]

Originally Posted by JCB

Spending cuts seem to be part and parcel of our economic system .

In the late 1970s we had massive spending cuts , demanded by the IMF , under the Callaghan Labour government .

In the 1980s we had massive spending cuts under the Thatcher Conservative government .

Now we are going to have massive spending cuts under the Cameron/Clegg Con/Lib-Dem government .

History repeats itself , and will continue to do so because the Lab/Con/Lib-Dem establishment is wedded to the same economic system .

Boom and bust.

Although we can't blame the last government for the subprime mortgage fiasco, and the resulting worldwide financial crash, although anyone with any sense could see that that lending stategy would end in tears, we can apportion blame on a government who, because they knew they'd lost the election, set out on a schorched earth spending policy. As was sadly examplified by Labour's out going Chief Secretary of the Treasury Liam Byrne's note, stating 'There's no money left'.

New Labour did make some historical change for the better, but when it came to economics they verged on the imbecilic.

If a household was run like the country's economy was managed by Labour, we'd now be pushing our worldly goods through the streets in an old pram.

Sadly the cuts are a bitter pill we'd better get used to swallowing.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

So why the hell did Blair and Brown create 800,000 civil servants, take a look at the Guardian Jobs page which is crammed with as you put it None-Jobs, We are now overrun by out-reach workers coordinators and other weird and wonder jobs thought up by Labour, probable using the ethos if they work for us they vote for us

I can't defend that because you're right and current governments should learn from the past in order to avoid the same mistakes but pointing the finger and saying 'Labour has forced this on us' won't make Osborne's pill any less bitter. Make decisions that are good for today instead of saying that the old landlord has made this necessary. All governments are guilty of saying the same thing but it is very lazy politics when that's the best answer you can come up with. Peter Britcliffe is guilty of the same rhetoric but it reduces credibility when the same party is in control at local, county and national levels.

That's getting off the point. To my mind, George Osborne is simply going about things in too harsh a way and in the wrong directions.

We'll see what today brings.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by garinda

Boom and bust.

Although we can't blame the last government for the subprime mortgage fiasco, and the resulting worldwide financial crash, although anyone with any sense could see that that lending stategy would end in tears, we can apportion blame on a government who, because they knew they'd lost the election, set out on a schorched earth spending policy. As was sadly examplified by Labour's out going Chief Secretary of the Treasury Liam Byrne's note, stating 'There's no money left'.

That's my fear for Hyndburn and no one is listening.

At the moment we have sufficient money which could be better spent.

Peter Britcliffe knows full well there is a reasonable possibility that he is in his final term as Leader of the Council and is writing cheques left, right and centre. I wouldn't be surprised if Baxenden gets a few well-publicised windfalls in The Observer in the new two or three weeks, just prior to the bye-election on 18th November...

Hyndburn is OK for now, but we won't be if this continues up until next May.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I can't defend that because you're right and current governments should learn from the past in order to avoid the same mistakes but pointing the finger and saying 'Labour has forced this on us' won't make Osborne's pill any less bitter. Make decisions that are good for today instead of saying that the old landlord has made this necessary. All governments are guilty of saying the same thing but it is very lazy politics when that's the best answer you can come up with. Peter Britcliffe is guilty of the same rhetoric but it reduces credibility when the same party is in control at local, county and national levels.

That's getting off the point. To my mind, George Osborne is simply going about things in too harsh a way and in the wrong directions.

We'll see what today brings.

Any direction must be better than we were left with, and you have to remember the outgoing Labour government, when it knew it was on its death bed started throw cash about like there was no tomorrow knowing full well what would happen, I wouldn't care but now they have put an utter concom it charge of their fiscal policies, you couldnt make it up if you tried,

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

That's my fear for Hyndburn and no one is listening.

At the moment we have sufficient money which could be better spent.

Peter Britcliffe knows full well there is a reasonable possibility that he is in his final term as Leader of the Council and is writing cheques left, right and centre. I wouldn't be surprised if Baxenden gets a few well-publicised windfalls in The Observer in the new two or three weeks, just prior to the bye-election on 18th November...

Hyndburn is OK for now, but we won't be if this continues up until next May.

There is a very worrying comparisson.

Happily we have the magical Singing, Ringing Tree, standing a' top of the Coppice.

Which happily has money growing off it's branches.

Thus no tax payers' money is being wasted on stupid, and daft schemes here in Hyndburn.

[garinda]

There is an upside to the draconian Tory cuts.

It makes me feel like a teenager again.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by garinda

There is a very worrying comparisson.

Happily we have the magical Singing, Ringing Tree, standing a' top of the Coppice.

Which happily has money growing off it's branches.

Thus no tax payers' money is being wasted on stupid, and daft schemes here in Hyndburn.

We're just investigating the costs of Martin-Platt-off-of-Coronation-Street and Kenny Baker for the Market Hall. From the looks of things several of the traders have closed today in an act of solidarity because it's dead.

After finding out what their takings were last Wednesday I'm not surprised, it is financial suicide to stay open.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

We're just investigating the costs of Martin-Platt-off-of-Coronation-Street and Kenny Baker for the Market Hall. From the looks of things several of the traders have closed today in an act of solidarity because it's dead.

After finding out what their takings were last Wednesday I'm not surprised, it is financial suicide to stay open.

Is the upstairs caf closed, in solidarity?

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by garinda

Is the upstairs caf closed, in solidarity?

Apparently not. The dust motes have to be given chance to settle somewhere.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Any direction must be better than we were left with, and you have to remember the outgoing Labour government, when it knew it was on its death bed started throw cash about like there was no tomorrow knowing full well what would happen, I wouldn't care but now they have put an utter concom it charge of their fiscal policies, you couldnt make it up if you tried,

I'm sorry to make the comparison with what's happening in Hyndburn, but....

Would you care to put up a case for the defence, preferably without referring to a Labour administration cocking things up? We had one year of 'power' in 2004 and balanced the books and yet now we're in debt again.

13 years of Labour rule, let's get that out of the way for starters. Now, what else?

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

Is the upstairs caf closed, in solidarity?

I'd heard this rumour, (while I was talking to myself in the bathroom), that the entrance to the café is under seige from protesting accywebbers demanding an apology for unfair use of the site.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Less

I'd heard this rumour, (while I was talking to myself in the bathroom), that the entrance to the café is under seige from protesting accywebbers demanding an apology for unfair use of the site.

Then they all want to get themselves a quick frothy coffee from Daddy's Little Soldier and calm down.