The Tories

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Of course, it's the same one you've ignored all the time.

Do not blame the innocent and vulnerable claimants along with the guilty scroungers just because this is the easiest method to make it look like you are doing something.
Using propaganda to blame all the Countries hardships on this group of people isn't fair nor is it useful.
There are investigators to find the thieves without punishing the legitimate Citizens.

These investigations are always ongoing year in year out, the fact that over 8,000 people decided to throw the towel in and stop claiming when it was announced speaks volumes to just how many cheats are out there.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Are the british a race - or a nation?
It seems to me that we bend over backwards to accommodate the needs and wishes of other nations, but are reticent about looking out for our own people.

Whoever comes to these shores(it seems) gets looked after. Try going to any other country and expecting the same treatment. I think you would be left to fend for yourself...and many countries would just tell you to 'something off'.......you just wouldn't get past immigration control.

You deserve some green for that Margaret, but it won't let me, I have yet to understand why we need to send aid to India when they have their own space program, or most countries in that neck of the woods, most of um are here in Britain already, I've always said that to claim benefits people should first put into the pot for at least 5 years before they get anything at all, the same with health care too, you go to most countries without insurance and they ask for you credit card, why not here.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

They live, and send money back home......draw(generous) benefits for children in Poland....and this benefits not our economy, but theirs.

Not sure whether I've mentioned this before but this was going on in the sixties Margaret, I worked with a German Brickie when I was an happyrentice he had two kinds in Germany who he claimed for, but they never got the money, we were a soft touch even in those days

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the eu usa trade treaty to be signed in 2 months will mean you can buy healthcare from the us of a read into that.bye bye nhs.

Labour have been flogging that dead horse for over 30 years now give it a rest.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Certainly with you on this one Cashy - like you I have lived abroad and I have also worked in foreign climes for over 20 years - you either learn the language or pay for an interpreter - no multi-languge forms, and you don't get any of the social services/benefits that immigrants qualify for when they come here.

Spot on Barrie, Joan's son lives in Spain these bought two house in the last 10 years, he had to pay for people to interpret for him, he now speaks very fluent Spanish, in fact living where he does its the only language he speaks now, unless somebody from home comes over

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

These investigations are always ongoing year in year out, the fact that over 8,000 people decided to throw the towel in and stop claiming when it was announced speaks volumes to just how many cheats are out there.

I would think any real cheats, are still getting away with it, that figure of 8,000 that you bandy about could be because of 8,000 different reasons and not because they were cheats. I can't prove it one way or the other and neither can you, but I won't agree that a system that picks on the genuinely needy at the same time as supposedly targeting the cheats is the right way to go.

Nor do I think someone that has needed to be kept on benefits can be so selfish as to say that it's wrong to provide the same security they got to others that may be equally or even more needy.

What is it they say about evil triumphing when good men do nothing?

Well, there are a great many 'good' men willing to sacrifice others that deserve the same as they got.

Not to worry though, once a society stops looking after it's weak and hinting that they are the cause of the not so weak, having problems, it's not long before the powers extend the definitions of those they consider weak and useless.

Perhaps coming to a situation like yours at just the stroke of a pen?

[cmonstanley]

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online a bit of truth in there.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

I would think any real cheats, are still getting away with it, that figure of 8,000 that you bandy about could be because of 8,000 different reasons and not because they were cheats. I can't prove it one way or the other and neither can you, but I won't agree that a system that picks on the genuinely needy at the same time as supposedly targeting the cheats is the right way to go.

Nor do I think someone that has needed to be kept on benefits can be so selfish as to say that it's wrong to provide the same security they got to others that may be equally or even more needy.

What is it they say about evil triumphing when good men do nothing?

Well, there are a great many 'good' men willing to sacrifice others that deserve the same as they got.

Not to worry though, once a society stops looking after it's weak and hinting that they are the cause of the not so weak, having problems, it's not long before the powers extend the definitions of those they consider weak and useless.

Perhaps coming to a situation like yours at just the stroke of a pen?

I ask again how would you suggest we stop this benefit fraud, you only say what shouldn't be done, exactly what's been going on for years and allowed to escalate out of all proportions.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online a bit of truth in there.

The Daily Mail you've got a cheek

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The Daily Mail you've got a cheek

ha ha

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online a bit of truth in there.

Blah de, blah de, blah, and the last sentence of the report ?

'Clearly, however, all socially conservative people are not prejudiced, and all prejudiced persons are not conservative.'

Now go away & find something else to cut & paste.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

now its official Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial study - and conservative politics can lead people to be racist | Mail Online a bit of truth in there.

If left wingers were more intelligent surely they'd have become right wingers?

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I ask again how would you suggest we stop this benefit fraud, you only say what shouldn't be done, exactly what's been going on for years and allowed to escalate out of all proportions.

I ask how someone that's been on benefits for twenty years can deny that same care to anyone in a similar position, yet you still do.

There are investigators that investigate there should be no need to target all on benefit as if it's them that caused your problems, these folk are like you, powerless others made the decisions of how the system was set up.
If the system needs changing then it should be done humanely not by blaming all that are on benefits.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

I ask how someone that's been on benefits for twenty years can deny that same care to anyone in a similar position, yet you still do.

There are investigators that investigate there should be no need to target all on benefit as if it's them that caused your problems, these folk are like you, powerless others made the decisions of how the system was set up.
If the system needs changing then it should be done humanely not by blaming all that are on benefits.

I give up forget it you obvious think the status quo is fine carry on I won't be around long enough to bother about it

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I give up forget it you obvious think the status quo is fine carry on I won't be around long enough to bother about it

You won't give up, you will wait a few days then start all over again, yet you will still be blaming the wrong people.