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As stated previous, he should have declaired an interest and left the meeting, but you put it very well "one of his constituents" lol :alright:

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I live just around the corner from there and they have been working on there for a good few weeks. Makes me hope they don't get the permission, but somehow i think thats already been sorted. The power of the brown envelope strikes again.........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes:

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The planning lot at the Council appear to have no real power. Why are they not knocking on the site formans door and telling him to stop work as they have no planning permission to be working?

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Are any of our Councillor members on the planning committee?
If so maybe they can explain how a building delvelopment like this can start without planning permission and why it has not been shut down yet.

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So what will be a no then.

The Councillors are only on the committe though, we must have enforcement officers. Is it not there job to make sure this sort of thing does not happen?

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Don't think that is quite correct park, a councillor only has to declare an interest if he has involvement with the said application or with the applicant, can't see anything wrong with a constituent lobbying a councillor with regards to planning no more than contacting him/her with regards to say their dust bin not being emptied, so long as no sort of inducement is offered

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On looking at the pdf file of enforcements I noticed
18 Nab Lane, Oswaldtwistle. 149 R37.1/ 149
This is the former home of my son- his ex inlaws live there now.
How do I find out what was enforced?

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The Planning Department would tell you. I may still have the agenda for the meeting.Is it a recent meeting?

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Could well have been that the councillor was merely trying to move the application on by contacting the officer, on the behest of his constituent, after all that is what councillors are there for

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I don't know whether it was recent, nor do I have any date.
A large extension was under construction on the gable side at the time his (now ex) wife took off two years ago, leaving her parents in residence with him:eek:. An intolerable situation - he moved out - they stayed.
The divorce earlier this year signed his share in the property to his ex - the inlaws are still there.
Perhaps it is better that I don't know, since my son has now moved on to much greener pastures (wedding soon :D)

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Another new hat Margaret:D

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Bought recently on ebay -a designer fedora type - no silly feather things for me.

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Photo Please:D

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Interesting - thanks
Planning permission was granted for the extension - maybe the ex inlaws are tring to complete it in an unauthorised way - just glad that my son is rid of the problem.

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Can't just sort out how they number them Margaret.... think 37 is the week ... that would be w/c 19th Sept for 2010 .maybe 1 is the year and then a number for that year ? :confused:

Looks like you would have to apply if you wanted more details, however, a little more information is given when they come up at Planning Meetings:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...t_13-10-10.pdf

I have gone back to 2007 .. nothing there.

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There again, 149 appears to be some stables... so completely confused now ... :D

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa..._June_2010.pdf

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It isn't important that I find out - If the (ex)inlaws hear I am asking, it could stir a quietened hornets nest. If the facts aren't online I don't want to look further.
Thanks for the help in looking.

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I am not surprised kate, I think the members of the planning committee will be confused as well, the report is designed to confuse, hence no questions, a good way to work if you can get away with it. There are several questions I will be asking the "enforcement team" some of the details in the report are not correct :D
I think the only way to find out is to send the email with the enforcement details identified and wait for the "zipped" file to land in your inbox. ;)

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Still some proposed house building go on at least:

11/10/0516 Full: Erection of 8 No houses and associated 06/12/2010
parking

Hunts Yard Clayton Street
Great Harwood

Mr D Mason

Not sure where Hunts Yard is on Clayton Street ?

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Best Chippy in East Lancs that Park, well it was, ain't been in for years

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I am a little confused here, from the LET

Row over new Accrington housing estate (From Lancashire Telegraph)

It seems that planning permission has been granted but I found this

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...ember_2010.doc

What are Hyndburn thinking about, allowing houses to be built where there is a risk of flood :confused:
Anyone found any other information that may shed some light on all this.

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To be built by 'Keepmoat Housing' - how ironic :D

I once found a floodplain map on the web. The housing on the site of the old Threebrooks Mill is in/on one - so this wont be the first time.

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...at end of RoeGreave road Ossy.
My mum and dad worked in that mill - there was a mill lodge there too - fed by the adjacent Tinker Brook.

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Been houses on there for about ten years now Park,

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To be quite honest Park I don't really follow planning, I only know that there are quite a few new houses on the left at the end of Roe Greave Road which have been there for a long time now

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Those houses and flats went up about 7 years ago. I have lived where I am for 8yrs and I recall the noise made during the site preparation
Accrington BB5, UK - Google Maps

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Thought it was longer that that Margaret, but obviously not

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the old adelphi pub down town is being turned into a large 4 bedroom house, plans have already been submitted and approved - and they have already began to clear it out..
I know this as my sister has bought the house next door to it and they were told and shown plans of the pub/soon to be house...

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Indeed, GG and this was the approval, as I am sure your sister knows .. might be worth it for her to keep on eye on any deviations from the plans ;)

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/cu...0BB5%206PJ.pdf

We have discussed it on here somewhere .. can't find it though. :confused:

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Aye, especially when in 6 months time there is a sign unveiled outside the building reading 'Adelphi Curry, Kebab & Pizza Takeaway'.

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Sounds about right, time to move I think.

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They would have to apply for planning permission to change a dwelling into a commercial premises. As the building is in such a prominent place, I am sure that any change of use would be reported to the planning department.

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You can rest assured on that point.

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I thought the usual way was to just do and apply for retro permission with the Council enforcement officers doing little to stop them. Can't remember last time I read about someone being stopped building or being forced to return a building to how it was because they did not apply for planning permission first.

Please prove me wrong on this, it would be good to know people can't just do what they want. There are some post on this thread about houses being built that had not had planning approved first

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I wish, some people think they can do as they please, but again that depends on who you are, hows this for trying to get away with it

No permission for dome on Blackburn mosque (From Lancashire Telegraph)

The dome is fixed to a bulit up felt roof that covers a "tank room", me thinks building regs, structural calcs.need I go on :rolleyes:

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I know I think about things in simple terms but almost everything without planning permission that requires it should be put back to its original state before planning permission can be apllied for.

That would cost those who wish to break the rules money and stop them doing it. Retrospective permission should be very rare.

Any work carried out by professional builders without permission should lead to a big fine for the builder. They know the rules so should not build without permission.

Why can our Councils/Government not see things so simply?

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How true, I agree with every word, the planning enforcement system needs to be toughened up, with heavy fines for those that try to "get away with it"

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You should have put


"heavy fines"


in big bold letters, someone at HBC might see it and think it could be a way to make a few quid.

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Here's another classic case, the applicant wants to chop more trees down because they are to near his new houses, houses not built in the spot that had been originally planned. :rolleyes:


Bid to knock down trees at luxury Blackburn project rejected (From Lancashire Telegraph)

The comments below this article in the let make interesting reading

He should be forced to move the houses if they are built in the wrong place. If he can't read drawings to build them in the right place what else could he have done wrong. How far off the agreed site are they?

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This was the article in the LEC, GG re. advising change of use. Just spotted the comment by 'Manwell' ... eeew hek .. spooks... lol.

Plan to turn historic Accrington pub into family home (From Blackburn Citizen)

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Agree there should be some heavy fine put in place for people who ignore planning rules ... 'Ignorance of the law is no excuse' should be applied.

There are loads of enforcement notices every year for the committee to consider .. granted those who have overstepped the mark on their granted PP mostly.

Having to pull a building down on retrospective if not in line with regulations does happen on all types of buildings including signs, shop fronts, etc. Think it reasonable to accept if they have built it in accordance with Planning, but a slap in the pocket, with a heavy fine, would not go amiss. Would at least help to cover the cost to the council.

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But what if they are built it as it should be but not in the right place though? Should they have to pull in down again and rebuild in the right place if they wish?

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Only guessing like ... Park will probably know more, but I guess if it were on the same land, but just in a slightly different position which did not flout any planning rules would be OK. Does appear a bit suspicious though that maybe this builder thought that he would get permission to chop down the trees if he did this. Maybe that was his plan all along (whoops did I really say that !).

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If you scroll down on the comments, some jester ... SS11 .. has stated permission has been granted ! Was only submitted (retrospectively of course) on 12th January ... and no decisions yet as I can see. :rolleyes:

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I think you'll find that if retro planning permission is applied for, it has to adhere to the planning regs just like any other, to turn it down is not really wise, because if appealed to, I think the home secretary, (I'm not sure on this) it could cost the council a hell of a lot of money, maybe Bernard or Joan my be able to shed light on this as they are at the coal face as it were

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That's right, planning law applies whether it's retrospective or not.A planning authority can't turn down an application because it's retrospective. But a development that's been started without planning permission runs the risk of course of not complying with planning law. And then the developer could be told to knock it down.

Its the Planning Inspectorate that deals with appeals.

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Thanks Bernard, but I think I'm right in saying that if an appeal is upheld it could cost the council a lot of cash

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Of course it is not wise, that is what I was trying to say, as that would just be bloody minded on behalf of a council. If it fits all the rules, then they have to be reasonable and let it through .... although they still should be taught that PP has to be sought in the first place like everyone else.

It has to be something very special to reach the Secretary of State.

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It can, and the Council as lost appeals in the past. And as you say it can be an expensive job. You've got to have sound planning grounds for turning an application down.

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And of course that applies to ALL applications including retro

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I think the last retro planning application that i can remember being turned down was the garden on the garage roof of the Chippy on Catlow Hall Street Ossy, and that was quite a few years ago

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Oh dearest Jaysay, please don't have me looking for all the retrospective one's that have been turned down ... too hard a task.

They are usually very small as per your example you have submitted and even if they have stepped outside the rules, usually there is guidance to put it right.

You won't get many big builds doing this, so that is why you think they do not exist. If they did ... they know what the Planning rules are anyway.

Here is a little one from a recent meeting which is going to legal :

8. ENFORCEMENT NOTICES BEING PREPARED BY LEGAL
8.1

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Oh, is that what it is ..hahaha .. did wonder. Ironic.

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I Could just been a council officer just don't like estate agents:D:D

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I do think BwD will be require full structural calcs, not be surprised if they don't make them take it down :D

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You could be correct kate, it is a big site and "had" a lots of trees. This guy is also building his big office block adjacent to the new petrol station (his) across from JJB so may be he will get away with the slight miss calculation that took place in the setting out of the houses, been past the site, the houses are huge

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Have you had a good look at the enforcement notices kate, how many are served on householders, where the council know they will win, its all down to what it will cost the council if they loose, its just the same with appeals, mind don't think HBC has a very good record, they have lost a few of late ;)

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Think you may be correct ... allow for objections, etc.. :D

Did notice was constructed of fibre glass .. surprised me ... there again not a builder so is probably quite normal.

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I think most of these domes are constructed of fibre glass, but still a fairly large mass screwed/bolted to a built up felt flat roof probably with a decking of stramite board that is not designed to take that sort of load, think of the wind blowing against the dome, trying to rip it off its mountings......then again they may have used "wood screws" to fasten it down, designed to fly off in a strong wind to prevent damage to the roof of the "tank room" ;) please don't ask how I know it's the tank room roof :D

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See HBC are dragging theyre feet updating applications.

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Aye their festive break must continue in to Feb, no planning committee meetings until early Feb either, kate what you going to do to fill your time in, no applications.
On a brighter planning front there must be changes afoot on the website, just been talking to a friend that does planning application drawings, still uses the old drawing board. He has been told by planning that they will require all his drawings on CD, he asked why..........its for the website.
Think about that kate soon (lol) we will be able to look at the drawings attached to planning applications...........what progress :mosher:

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That'll keep us busy. Got a nod 12 months ago this was going to happen ... hope it does now.. :mosher:

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The information is recent like today, it will increase cost for the person wanting the drawings done, unless the drawings are done in Cad on the computer, then it's easy to pdf them. As you say it will be more interesting viewing the plans. BwD have had this facility on their site for a few years now. :cool:

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You two are planning junkies:D:D:D

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No, just like to know what is going on, there may be a planning application that affects our residential amenities :rolleyes:

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Its been updated, maybe they read my post yesterday lol.

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Thanks, will have a look :)

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Just some that may prove of public interest:

11/10/0510 Full: Erection of extension to Coppice 19/01/2011
Spectator Stand to provide catering and toilet facilities (139m2)

The Crown Ground Livingstone Road
Accrington
Accrington Stanley FC

11/11/0015 28 day prior notification: Demolition of 62 - 84 Portland Street 61 - 79 07/01/2011
dwellings and 66 - 88 Steiner Street 64 -
72 Frederick Street Accrington
Hyndburn Borough Council

11/11/0012 Full: Erection of 5 No dwellings following 23/12/2010
demolition of shops and flats currently on site

6 Within Grove Accrington
BB5 6HX
Contour Housing Group

And, of course, this controversial one:

11/10/0541 Full Major: Demolition of existing care home 14/12/2010
building and erection of part two-storey and C
part three-storey building comprising of 36
extra care apartments (Resubmission). (The
proposal falls within a Conservation Area.)

Hill Top,Manchester Road.
Baxenden



I Care Extra Care Ltd

I wonder why they stopped doing this ... found it really helpful when you could just look down a list:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...8.07.10_7_.pdf

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Have the Hill Top plans been ammended to include pitched roofs or are they as shown in Observer? :confused:

May be they have stopped the "search pages" because of the proposed alterations to the website :confused:

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Don't know about the detailed plans of Hill Top, Park ... only what is shown on the site. Will be interesting to see what objections will turn up from local residents this time. Not on the agenda for tomorrow's planning meeting.

Main one there is the Lonsdale Street development (ex Spring Hill Club) .. makes heavy reading if you want to look.

Thought that about the search pages myself, but from July ???

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Ah, so that was why they couldn't complete it for the 31st Dec deadline. It was down to the weather, unable to get to the postbox to submit the planning application due to snow :D

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They have already started in Lonsdale street, got the floor slabs down, must have had the nod from an officer, it would be good if the planning committee voted "no" that would be a laugh :D

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Yes, mentioned in the report for the meeting... LOL.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...n_02-02-11.pdf

What I do not quite understand is this bit :

(i) That delegated authority is given to the Chief Planning and Transportation Officer or
Development Control Manager to approve planning permission subject to a legal
agreement under Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act relating to the
payment of £15,549 for open space improvements in Accrington and Oswaldtwistle

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Thats called a bribe, in order for the development to proceed.

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Think that the facility for delegated authority has always been in place, if there is no objection to the application the Chief Planning Officer can approve, more power to the officers, open to comments such as Tealeaf's post :eek:

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Sounds like a fair enough explanation.

This is another explanation Section 106

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I know a fairy called nough, fairy-enough ;)

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This has got to be good news
£2.6 million for housing in Hyndburn (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Good news, but the money is not just for Woodnook as the Telegraph article states. Peel Ward was also part of the scheme. And there's a determination in Peel Ward, with both Councillors and Residents determined to get a fair share of that money.

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It is good news for Hyndburn not just Woodnook or Peel wards, it shows that there is money out there............to regenerate these bomb sites that are all round the borough.

Now this is practice from the dark ages
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...market/?ref=eb

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There are areas all over the Borough. But some areas have done a lot better than others when it comes to getting resources in the past. Areas like Woodnook and Peel have waited patiently for it's share.

The original bid incidentally for East Accrington was for 9million. Whilst the 2 million is to be welcomed, it's well short of what's needed to address the problems we've got in this part of the town

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I hope they do better at new build than the ones they are building on Blackburn road, the "new" houses are nearer to the road than the houses they knocked down, never seen anything like it, what were the planners thinking of. :mad:

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I keep asking the same question every time I'm driving past those houses on Blackburn Rd.

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Get all the scaffolding away and the houses occupied, cars parked in front of the houses windows full of dust from the road, they will be just the same as the houses on the same side near the willows lane junction.....a mess, Blackburn road car park extended :D

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Ah well, Jaysay, at least you won't have far to move (only joking, honest) :D

11/11/0023 Full Major: Erection of 22 bed private , 03/02/2011
hospital for the care and treatment of people with mental disorders, specialising in the treatment of dementia

Land at James Street
Oswaldtwistle
Accrington BB5 3LJ

Mr Afzal Hussain

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One never knows you may be right :D