Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up? - Page 51

Margaret Pilkington · 16-08-2014, 19:30

And it appears that the police did not leak this news to the press, but it was an allegation taken to the police by news media.

MargaretR · 17-08-2014, 00:13

Exaro news
ExaroNews: Investigative journalism and analysis | ExaroNews
have been investigating child abuse and appealing for victims to contact them if they do not trust the police.

They do proper investigative journalism that the other news media no longer do.

Margaret Pilkington · 17-08-2014, 09:40

Thank you for that link Margaret.
That is going on my bookmarks for future reference.

Accyexplorer · 17-08-2014, 10:48

I had to try and explain to my "Ma" today why these "accusers" have waited so long to come forward as she didn't really get it.
The fear and feelings of not being believed is enough to put most abuse victims off coming forward and talking about their experience (especially if they've tried before).
I can only imagine the difficulty,fears etc of being abused (especially by a 'VIP') and trying to find the strength to stand up and say yes they abused me (even more so if your the first in the case of multiple victims).

Anyhow,It will be interesting to see what unfolds. I'm quite surprised that he's (allegedly) coming back to the UK though,but then again,I suppose he'd look even more suspicious if he didn't.
He has houses in many places, Portugal seems a popular destination for many at the top...

.....Anywhere near the McCann "abduction" I wonder? Hmmm

Margaret Pilkington · 17-08-2014, 11:01

I think it is difficult for those who have not had experience with the victims of abuse to understand the way they(the victims) perceive their part in the events.
In many cases they feel that they were to blame in some way.......but it is embarrassment and humiliation and the fear of not being believed that causes victims to stay silent....and the telling of the event is to relive it and the horrors that were in it.

Those who do come forward have doubt cast upon their claims because there can be no actual forensic evidence because of the historical nature of the allegations.

Accyexplorer · 17-08-2014, 15:34

Re cliff, I wonder if he'll be stripped of his knighthood if he's found guilty of these (alleged) crimes?
I also wonder if he'll be 'wired for sound' during his interview

Margaret Pilkington · 17-08-2014, 16:28

I think it is a bit premature to be speculating on such things.
He has not been interviewed or charged and must be presumed to be innocent until the due process of law has run its course and a judgement is made.

davebtelford · 17-08-2014, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

He has not been interviewed or charged .

If Cliff returns to the UK to answer the allegations I will eat both my hats!

Margaret Pilkington · 17-08-2014, 17:03

If he doesn't, then many people will presume from these actions that he has something to answer for.

Accyexplorer · 17-08-2014, 17:55

Maybe the yewtree investigators read accyweb

I mention in post #24 in the thread below that maybe they should concentrate their efforts on the singers still alive

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...h-54757-2.html

accyman · 19-08-2014, 14:52

the value of signed cliff richard collectables is pretty much hanging in the balance right now

i bet theres a few nervous collectors out there

Accyexplorer · 19-08-2014, 15:18

Just read about Cilla Black coming out in support for cliff (their going to need a Lara Lara evidence). The majority of folk are saying its a witch hunt and that he's innocent

Whatever the evidence, I doubt his loyal fans will believe it, I think his fan base is bigger than Rolf's and possibly JavaScript's too.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-08-2014, 17:43

He is innocent until proved otherwise.
Trial by media does not count in legal circles.

Accyexplorer · 19-08-2014, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

He is innocent until proved otherwise.
Trial by media does not count in legal circles.

The media is only just catching up and printing the online rumours that have been around for donkeys M, he's guilty in my eyes......I'm not in any legal circles so it does count

Less · 19-08-2014, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

The media is only just catching up and printing the online rumours that have been around for donkeys M, he's guilty in my eyes......I'm not in any legal circles so it does count

Two things,
1/ might I suggest you refrain from calling Margaret 'M'? IF, you value your life of course.
2/ just because you can decide someone is guilty without any solid evidence being placed before you does not make that person guilty.

As you have said above, these are rumours, rumours are not valid in any legal system.