Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 875118)

The treee has now gone along with the other lights which were around the pillars :)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 875146)

See poeople do read Accy Web:D

Originally Posted by Less (Post 875150)

Yes, but it would be easier for them if other poeople DIDN'T WRITE IN CODE.
:)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 875152)

Poeople, Less, are they a new breed on here:p:p:p:p:p

Originally Posted by Less (Post 875153)

You tell me, I copied and pasted that from YOUR post!
:rofl38::iloveyou::rofl38:

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 875118)

The treee has now gone along with the other lights which were around the pillars :)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 875146)

See poeople do read Accy Web:D

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 875222)

Yeah so i see..........its been replaced with 3 Shrubs!!!!:rolleyes:

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Less (Post 875153)

You tell me, I copied and pasted that from YOUR post!
:rofl38::iloveyou::rofl38:

Originally Posted by wadey (Post 875364)

Looked OK today

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 875373)

I would have been having a panic attack trying to get through the masses of shoppers ;):D

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 875375)

Obviously all in the Middle, admiring the Shrubbery Dave!!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 875376)

I best nip in tomorrow and have a look at this shrubbery. I think I'm missing out :D

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 875066)

I noticed the Christmas Tree is still up in the Market Hall...is this to be a permanent feature?:D

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 875439)

I hope they realise that leaving a christmas tree up after twelfth night is seen as a very unlucky omen.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 875439)

I hope they realise that leaving a christmas tree up after twelfth night is seen as a very unlucky omen.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 875472)

Not at all, Marg. Honest.

It'll be interesting to see just what answers we get at next week's full council regarding this. I have asked for a free vote, one from each trader, asking whether they want to continue six day trading beyond January 2011. If the Conservatives reject the vote then I think that might give us some cause to query just how many traders have said they're in favour of the wonderful idea.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 875526)

Kenneth I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 875556)

Cheers John.

To my mind, this is a simple case of right and wrong and we councillors should be listening to the people who actually know what they're doing and working with that information to improve the Market Hall. We've been told repeatedly by Cllr Haworth that the majority of traders are in favour of six day trading although I have to say that I find that more than a little unbelievable. However, if that is true then there is absolutely no reason why the Conservatives should be worried that the traders will vote against it.

I'm giving them a golden opportunity to prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 875439)

I hope they realise that leaving a christmas tree up after twelfth night is seen as a very unlucky omen.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 875639)

Yesterday the CEO of BP met President Putin in Moscow, about the new BP/Rosneft oil deal, and they still had a big Christmas tree all lit up in the background.

Not a good omen for a successful outcome.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 875639)

Yesterday the CEO of BP met President Putin in Moscow, about the new BP/Rosneft oil deal, and they still had a big Christmas tree all lit up in the background.

Not a good omen for a successful outcome.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 875647)

Think they use a different calendar and they celebrate the Nativity on 7th January?:confused:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

What ever happened to the picture of Lenin.

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 875656)

They took it down, he died a few years ago. Didn't you hear about it?;)

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 875649)

I noticed that, a bit bourgeois isn't it. What ever happened to the picture of Lenin.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 875662)

Wasn't he shot in New York, by someone wearing Jodie Foster's pantyhose, or am I on the wrong one?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 875654)

Still this was a week after their Christmas day.

:D

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 875798)

They may well celebrate Chistmas day on a date other than in the West, but I'm pretty sure they still have '12 days of Christmas' which by my maths puts that tree well within the period of their seasonal festivities.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 875845)

Whatever.


Either way, by the 15th January, that Russian tinsel 'n' assorted tat, should have been packed back in the Kremlin loft.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 875849)

Have a read of this:

New Year tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm quite sure the Russkies are more than happy to sit around their tree well into their new year, playing chess, drinking vodka and maybe watching a bit of culture on their TV - such as the latest offerings from the Bolshoi or the Kirov. Quite unlike the mental retards we all know in England who are happy to slump down on the settee with a six pack, while gormlessly cheering on the latest performing cabbage on the X Factor or whatever similar drivel on their latest ill-earned 42" Plasma set.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 875849)

I'm quite sure the Russkies are more than happy to sit around their tree well into their new year, playing chess, drinking vodka and maybe watching a bit of culture on their TV

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 876081)

these the signs? :D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 876096)

Notice they're also pushing the 'upstairs'.

:rolleyes:


You never see many people up there.

Too many stairs?

Too small a lift?

Too charming mine host, in the caff?

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 876097)

I've looked at those stairs leading to the upper floor, but never used them, just look at the construction, and how they are supported, glass panels at the side holding the treads in place, doesn't look safe to me, so I'm not going up them.
Retlaw

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 876282)

get the butchers to hang some skinned rabbits from their stalls...Lovely!

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 876282)

I must admit, I like the mock Victoriana signs. Maybe the theme should be extended further - sprinkle sawdust over the uncovered stone flags....get the butchers to hang some skinned rabbits from their stalls...maybe some pheasants too, well matured so that the maggots are falling out (which means they're just ready to eat). Best of all, maybe all the blokes could walk round the place smoking clay pipes. Lovely!

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 876567)

In contrast, Cllr Haworth gave a similar presentation with variant figures and the 'suggestion' that the majority of traders wanted 6 day trading. She conceded that 6 day trading wasn't working but 5-and-a-half days would now be pushed instead.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 876571)

Thank you for the information Ken.

Out of interest who abstained?

So what does 5 1/2 day trading mean, as in which are the 5 1/2 days the market will be open and when will it be closed?

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 876574)

5-and-a-half day trading means closing at 1pm on Wednesdays.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 876567)

I was accused of single-handedly causing all the friction in the Market Hall over 6-day trading and not letting it drop by continually mentioning it on my website, later revealed to be....Accyweb!

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 876589)

It sounds to me as if Councillor Haworth has judged the market traders mood correctly by pushing for 5 1/2 day opening as a sort of "half way house".

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 876590)

If they are so sure the market traders want 6 days why not allow the vote and put it to bed once and for all?

What will happen in May if Labour have the majority? Will they start to play with the opening times again I wonder?

This could go on for ever.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 876597)

The current controlling group is a bit more 'transmit' than 'receive' for my liking.

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 876608)

Blackburn have managed to alienate most market traders, they are due to move into The Mall in March and i was talking to one of the stallholders last week and he told me that NO ONE has actually signed anything yet to say they want a stall in the new market, they have a plan up on one of the walls that tells you where all the stalls are moving to but i can't see how this is possible, unless that is just where they have been allocated....we'll see hey, i know a number of stalls aren't being 'allowed' to go into The Mall and are having to cease trading, it's a total shambles

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 876567)

And here he is. To put everything in perspective, here is the exact wording of my motion last night:

This Council agrees as a matter of urgency to request that Cabinet hold a ballot of Market Hall Traders and that each business within Accrington Market Hall will be given one vote as to whether 6-day trading continues beyond January 2011 and that no members of Hyndburn Borough Council or its employees will be able to take part in the ballot. Ballot papers will need to be returned to the Market Hall Superintendent for a recorded vote at close of business on 31st January 2011 to be witnessed by one Conservative member, one Labour member and one Independent member. The details of the recorded vote will remain confidential and the outcome of the vote will be this Council’s recommendation to be implemented by Cabinet at its meeting on 8th February 2011.

A list of signatures from the Market Hall traders and their preferences regarding 6-day trading was handed to me just prior to the meeting and explicitly showed that 6 traders are firmly against 6 day trading, 5 are in favour of it, 16 would like it to be optional and 1 trader did not sign. This was copied to every councillor in the chamber although the Mayor withdrew it as evidence on the basis that it was not legally admissible following advice from the officers

In contrast, Cllr Hayworth gave a similar presentation with variant figures and the 'suggestion' that the majority of traders wanted 6 day trading. She conceded that 6 day trading wasn't working but 5-and-a-half days would now be pushed instead. I was accused of single-handedly causing all the friction in the Market Hall over 6-day trading and not letting it drop by continually mentioning it on my website, later revealed to be....Accyweb! Cllr Haworth asked the Labour group to stop going on about the Market Hall at council meetings and put the matter to bed.

My summing up was that I was trying to put it to bed in a democratic way, allowing the traders the unequivocal chance to say once and for all how they feel about 6 day trading officially and end the argument. I pointed out the similar situation brewing in Blackburn and that every councillor wants the Market Hall to succeed, not a £2.5m empty monument to council ignorance in 12 months' time. I did point out that a vote against the motion would be voting against a democratic vote for the traders but this went largely unheeded.

There were 14 votes in favour, 16 votes against and three abstentions.

Viva democracy in Hyndburn.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 876659)

Well Ken you can't get fairer than that really, like yourself I have said that was the only way forward, now its solely down to those it affects and no body else

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 773276)

Wow! Called in Market Hall today and got my first glimpse of our new posh upstairs bit. Take a look .....



Here is a bit of history for those overseas : -
Historic Accrington Markets - Accrington Market Hall Refurbishment Update

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 876779)

And there I was....thinking that sanity had prevailed at last.

I must have misread(or misunderstood) your post Ken.........I thought that the traders had given it the thumbs down(well, the majority of them anyway).

It was dead in there today.

I can see the day when the market hall is just a vast empty space where the ghosts of traders past congregate.

Still the council will be able to use it for storage I guess.......or maybe they will turn it into flats.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 876783)

Ken's copy of the list of signatures from the Market Hall traders was almost snatched out of his hand by Cllr Marlene Haworth, who rushed across the council chamber to try and grab hold of it. Luckily Ken managed to fight her off and did not give up his copy of the list, also all the Labour Group kept hold of their copies as well.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 876786)

Was she in authentic Victorian costume?

This could have hindered her speed, when attempting the twenty yard dash.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 876793)

No she wasn't in Victorian costume, but I think she might be practicing for the 100m at the 2012 Olympics, she certainly moved very quickly.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 876793)

No she wasn't in Victorian costume, but I think she might be practicing for the 100m at the 2012 Olympics, she certainly moved very quickly.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 876793)

No she wasn't in Victorian costume, but I think she might be practicing for the 100m at the 2012 Olympics, she certainly moved very quickly.

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 875066)

I noticed the Christmas Tree is still up in the Market Hall...is this to be a permanent feature?:D

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 877017)

but what would you rather have the christmas tree or the shrubs they've put there ...

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 877017)

but what would you rather have the christmas tree or the shrubs they've put there ...

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 878293)

Is 6-day opening dead then? Walked through there this afternoon and only saw 2 stalls open, Fruit and Veg and one other on the far side.
The town was very quiet, only place I saw anything approaching a crowd was outside the Post Office - a few drunks and a few more loud, foul mouthed yobs, and no sexism here.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 878298)

There's a vote on it Barrie, think votes by traders have to be in by last day of this month

Originally Posted by Less (Post 878321)

Strange, last I read from Economic Ken the traders vote idea had been pushed out of sight?

Have I missed a thread?
:confused:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 878383)

I've taken it as clear evidence of them not being entirely transparent with us.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 878392)

What do you mean by transparent?

They did not hide anything, just did not want to give them a vote.

I wish one of those involved would explain why as we only have one side of the debate to go on.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 878395)

I don't go for a 'smoke and mirrors' approach to running the borough
.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 878398)

I also think it shouldn't be run on Accy Web either:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 878398)

I also think it shouldn't be run on Accy Web either:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 878383)

No, you haven't. Economic Ken indeed....

Sorry Jaysay but I was defeated at council, there's no vote for the traders, much as I would have hoped for one. The Conservatives were so sure that the traders wanted 6-day trading that they refused to let them say so democratically.

I've taken it as clear evidence of them not being entirely transparent with us.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 878416)

Whats up now Jay? Too open for you?

Don't worry, accyweb is only a 'chat forum', the big mistakes are still being made down town.

:)

Tie a yellow ribbon on a pompous lapel.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 878421)

And will continue to do so, ain't seen a council yet that's perfect, especially if the last Labour run shambles was anything to go by:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 878398)

I also think it shouldn't be run on Accy Web either:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 878424)

We have (at least) two Conservative councillors, Britcliffe and Addison, who are active members of Accyweb.

One of whom has used this forum to discuss local political issues.

I'm sure most of the general public would like some balance, which would happen if they posted their thoughts on the discussion.