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JCB 23-09-2010 18:24
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According to tomorrow's Obserever , traders are threatening a mass exodus of the market hall over six-day trading .

JCB 23-09-2010 18:45
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Also Cllr Haworth is teaching her grandmother to suck eggs .

She tells the businesses to use the market hall's new Enterprise Hub . She says : " That is what they are there for , to give advice to the small one-man business . If they will just go that extra mile I am sure they will succeed . The only way to help develop the economy in Accrington and the country is for businesses to expand , take people off the unemployment lists and try new things ".

Clearly her eggs come from cloud-cuckoo-land .

cashman 23-09-2010 18:46
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 847081)
According to tomorrow's Obserever , traders are threatening a mass exodus of the market hall over six-day trading .
well if britcliffe won't entertain discussion until december, its hardly surprising.:rolleyes: i hope they can afford to do it, perhaps then andrew will hold his hand up instead of meaningless waffle.:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 23-09-2010 20:25
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I hope they follow through with their threats.......it would leave the council with runny yolk all over their daft faces.

Why don't they reduce the rents of the stalls for the three month trial period of six day trading...this would lift some of the financial burden from the stall holders(though it would still cost them in their own personal free time)....it would give the stall holders the sense that there was a little bit of compromise.

I can see the Market hall being a permanent venue for music and arty farty things the way things are going....and that won't bring the money in.

shillelagh 23-09-2010 20:42
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anyone seen this weeks accy observer ... on page 3 is an advert for the market hall .. saying now open wednesdays from 4th october .... and celeb chef aldo zilli will be giving cooking demos in the market hall on wednesday 6th october .. times 10.30 - 11.15am, 12.30 - 1.15pm and 3.00 -3.45pm and also there will be entertainers and musicians in the market hall on wednesday 6th and saturday 9th october .. though face painting will be available on the saturday only .. and ongoing entertainment in the market hall on saturdays up to christmas .. also sean wilson will be offering tastings of his cheeses and talking cheese on saturday 9th october

Retlaw 23-09-2010 22:19
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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 843874)
Finally, today, I found the plaque :-

As someone mentioned earlier, the market hall NEVER closed (was a bit awkward at times, but never closed).
I hope there's room for another plaque
Closed by Tesco.
??-??-????

When that new Tesco opens in Eagle St, how many people do you think will be in Accy Market Hall on that day, or in the days after.

Retlaw.

Ken Moss 24-09-2010 07:14
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 847132)
I hope they follow through with their threats.......it would leave the council with runny yolk all over their daft faces.

Why don't they reduce the rents of the stalls for the three month trial period of six day trading...this would lift some of the financial burden from the stall holders(though it would still cost them in their own personal free time)....it would give the stall holders the sense that there was a little bit of compromise.

I can see the Market hall being a permanent venue for music and arty farty things the way things are going....and that won't bring the money in.
Perhaps the Labour councillors, market traders and public haven't been shouting loud enough at the council? It hasn't really been publicised that people are against it, has it.....? I cannot believe that all the Conservative councillors are staunchly in favour of it either, which only reinforces the rumour about Britcliffe's rather dictatorial style with his members.

A series of questions was asked at last week's Cabinet meeting and we received the replies yesterday, although several are fudged and I am surprised by such a 'smoke and mirrors' approach, particularly with things which are likely to be sticking points anyway such as the flooring (already completed apparently) and the true cost of Quarterbridge.

I fear that whoever is in control of Hyndburn Borough Council next May will be left with an empty monument. We're really dealing with the vision of two people here, Cllrs Britcliffe and Haworth. Whilst in principle I applaud their endeavours, this stubborn refusal to accept defeat and listen to your critics will be the downfall not only of the Market Hall but also themselves.

The only real losers here are the traders themselves and the public, just the people who do the actual voting....

Ken Moss 24-09-2010 07:19
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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 847140)
anyone seen this weeks accy observer ... on page 3 is an advert for the market hall .. saying now open wednesdays from 4th october .... and celeb chef aldo zilli will be giving cooking demos in the market hall on wednesday 6th october .. times 10.30 - 11.15am, 12.30 - 1.15pm and 3.00 -3.45pm and also there will be entertainers and musicians in the market hall on wednesday 6th and saturday 9th october .. though face painting will be available on the saturday only .. and ongoing entertainment in the market hall on saturdays up to christmas .. also sean wilson will be offering tastings of his cheeses and talking cheese on saturday 9th october
I'm not entirely sure how much this is all costing either, although at least they are having a go at pulling people in.

The problem is that the traders are still having to find the money to pay collossal rents and hire extra staff and almost every one of them wants more investment in the days when the market is already open rather than extra days. I personally would drop the rents and fill every stall in there rather than trying to squeeze even more out of the successful ones.

It's common sense, but when has that ever been the overriding trait of those in power?

Margaret Pilkington 24-09-2010 08:05
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Well Ken, there are other losers in this too.......the revenue which would be forthcoming from a successful market hall would be lost, and the deaf councillors who have flown in the face of considered and knowledgable opinion, will look totally daft for not recognising what is staring them in the mush.

It is not too late to save the place....but it would take a climbdown from the uncompromising stance of the councillors railroading this through.
Why don't they make it optional for the traders to open if they feel that trade will stand it? Still, that is a simple solution, and I don't reckon they are into looking at the simplest ideas.

Less 24-09-2010 08:06
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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 847140)
anyone seen this weeks accy observer ... on page 3 is an advert for the market hall .. saying now open wednesdays from 4th october ....
I don't know who wrote that but, it is impossible to have the market hall open on Wednesdays from the 4th of October because the 4th is a Monday.
They can start on Wednesday the 6th of October if they wish because that is a Wednesday.

Or are they expecting people to start queuing on Monday the 4th in preperation for Glorious Wednesday?
:confused:

accysimon 24-09-2010 08:19
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 847184)
I don't know who wrote that but, it is impossible to have the market hall open on Wednesdays from the 4th of October because the 4th is a Monday.
They can start on Wednesday the 6th of October if they wish because that is a Wednesday.

Or are they expecting people to start queuing on Monday the 4th in preperation for Glorious Wednesday?
:confused:

Nice one Less...I will refrain from any political comment for once.

Mick 24-09-2010 08:22
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Less she meant wednesday the 4th October 2017

Tealeaf 24-09-2010 13:41
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There are a couple of points that I have not yet seen raised on this issue of 6 day opening:

1) Historically, most towns grew around their markets which were granted by Royal Charter; these charters - often going back to the 12th or 13th centuries - specified on which days markets were to be held in the town (usually, two or three times a week). My questions therefore are a) Does Accy hold an historic Charter? b) When was it granted? and c) what conditions are there pertaining to the holding of the market? It may well be that by forcing traders to open 6 days a week, the council is in violation of it's charter and action as such may be illegal under ancient statute.

This is one for Retlaw, I think so come in Walter & lets have your thoughts.

b) While i am certainly no lover of the EU, anyone in business is fully aware of the mass of employment legislation originating in Brussels. Employment Protection covers not just employees, but the self-employed as well. This legislation covers the amount of time anyone can legally work without a break and as such it seems to me that by forcing many of these self-employed market stall holders to work 6 days through they will be in violation of EU law.

I'm not a lawyer or an HR guy but maybe someone who knows more about this can comment.

cashman 24-09-2010 13:47
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 847252)
There are a couple of points that I have not yet seen raised on this issue of 6 day opening:

1) Historically, most towns grew around their markets which were granted by Royal Charter; these charters - often going back to the 12th or 13th centuries - specified on which days markets were to be held in the town (usually, two or three times a week). My questions therefore are a) Does Accy hold an historic Charter? b) When was it granted? and c) what conditions are there pertaining to the holding of the market? It may well be that by forcing traders to open 6 days a week, the council is in violation of it's charter and action as such may be illegal under ancient statute.

This is one for Retlaw, I think so come in Walter & lets have your thoughts.

b) While i am certainly no lover of the EU, anyone in business is fully aware of the mass of employment legislation originating in Brussels. Employment Protection covers not just employees, but the self-employed as well. This legislation covers the amount of time anyone can legally work without a break and as such it seems to me that by forcing many of these self-employed market stall holders to work 6 days through they will be in violation of EU law.

I'm not a lawyer or an HR guy but maybe someone who knows more about this can comment.
methinks this could be a mine our Ken could go digging? nowt to lose, much to gain.;)

Tealeaf 24-09-2010 13:55
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I certainly think that on the latter point, it would be unwise of the council to go ahead with it's 3 month trial 6 day opening without fully checking their possible liabilities under law.

cashman 24-09-2010 14:01
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 847254)
I certainly think that on the latter point, it would be unwise of the council to go ahead with it's 3 month trial 6 day opening without fully checking their possible liabilities under law.
well to be truthful, i hope they do, in it turns out well............all in the best possible taste.:D but then T, putting P.B. n wise don't go in the same sentence.:D

gynn 24-09-2010 14:07
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According to the Observer -

"Councillor Pam Barton, whose family runs a stall in the market, said: "......... most of them are one-man stalls and they cannot afford to employ people."

In response Councillor Haworth said these businesses should make use of the market hall's new Enterprise Hub."

So, presumably, any single operator who fancies a day off, or needs to nip to the loo, can just hand the keys to the till over to a complete stranger.

Problem solved!

shillelagh 24-09-2010 14:08
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have a read of this ... theres no mention of a charter .. but it comes under the duchy of lancaster ...i know haslingden has a market charter granted in the 1600s .... but dont know if accrington has one ...

Townships - Old and New Accrington | British History Online

Margaret Pilkington 24-09-2010 16:00
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why are the market tenents being asked to sign an agreement ahead of the 3 month trial period?

Councillor Haworth obviously doesn not understand the logistics of being a sole trader(and very much sounds like she doesn't want to understand/see their point of view)........and it doesn't matter how much committment she feels these traders should give to the market hall, in the end it all comes down to economics. The traders are in there to make a living.

Councillor Haworth says she feels that after working with the market traders for something like 5 years, she feels they should have developed some trust in her.

And why should the market traders trust Councillor Haworth when they feel she is (on behalf of the council) railroading through a decision in which there was no meaningful consultation.

Personally, I don't want entertainment, or demonstrations of cheese making, cookery, macrame.

What I want is a market hall that has items that I want to buy.
I don't think Tesco will be putting on entertainment to bring in the shoppers, they will rely on goods that prove to be good value for money....and that is what the market hall should be about.

Margaret Pilkington 24-09-2010 16:05
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 847182)
. I personally would drop the rents and fill every stall in there rather than trying to squeeze even more out of the successful ones.

It's common sense, but when has that ever been the overriding trait of those in power?

That is exactly what should be happening.......the market hall should be full of stalls, as it was before they started messing around with it......this would return the vibrancy and the uniqueness of the place and it would make a visit far more interesting.

At the moment it is a half empty place that looks half finished.

Less 24-09-2010 16:26
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 847282)

At the moment it is a half empty place that looks half finished.
Feeling a little bit down today Margaret?

Shouldn't it have a more positive note and read:-

HALF FULL.
:rolleyes:

andrewb 24-09-2010 16:36
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 847182)
I personally would drop the rents and fill every stall in there rather than trying to squeeze even more out of the successful ones.
Cannot disagree with you there! With the current economic climate and spending reductions to come the council should be trying to reduce rent for traders.

Margaret Pilkington 24-09-2010 16:45
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 847285)
Feeling a little bit down today Margaret?

Shouldn't it have a more positive note and read:-

HALF FULL.
:rolleyes:
No Less, it is definitely half empty......and lacking in atmosphere.

I'm just telling it like it is.

Ken Moss 25-09-2010 07:09
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 847286)
Cannot disagree with you there! With the current economic climate and spending reductions to come the council should be trying to reduce rent for traders.
Thank you, it really is the only way forward now.

Tesco is going to hammer the market in terms of new custom. I also foresee all sorts of traffic problems when it finally opens unless some drastic restructuring to the road system is implemented.

Ken Moss 25-09-2010 07:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 847252)
There are a couple of points that I have not yet seen raised on this issue of 6 day opening:

1) Historically, most towns grew around their markets which were granted by Royal Charter; these charters - often going back to the 12th or 13th centuries - specified on which days markets were to be held in the town (usually, two or three times a week). My questions therefore are a) Does Accy hold an historic Charter? b) When was it granted? and c) what conditions are there pertaining to the holding of the market? It may well be that by forcing traders to open 6 days a week, the council is in violation of it's charter and action as such may be illegal under ancient statute.

This is one for Retlaw, I think so come in Walter & lets have your thoughts.

b) While i am certainly no lover of the EU, anyone in business is fully aware of the mass of employment legislation originating in Brussels. Employment Protection covers not just employees, but the self-employed as well. This legislation covers the amount of time anyone can legally work without a break and as such it seems to me that by forcing many of these self-employed market stall holders to work 6 days through they will be in violation of EU law.

I'm not a lawyer or an HR guy but maybe someone who knows more about this can comment.
The legal team at HBC is headed by a very thorough woman who advises all councillors on every decision taken, it seems incredibly unlikely that anything would have slipped past her.

European working time directives allow a 48 hour week (with certain exclusions up to 60 hours, I think) and 6 x 8 hour days would fall within that remit. Stallholders will learn how to hold their bladders for 8 hours and forego refreshment breaks, in fact market traders will probably thrive on it, especially in winter months when the cold weather buggers up your plumbing.

Those mithering sods who insist on such luxuries will simply have to hire more staff and support the Market Hall in the same way that Cllr Haworth is doing.

Tealeaf 25-09-2010 08:40
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 847386)
European working time directives allow a 48 hour week (with certain exclusions up to 60 hours, I think) and 6 x 8 hour days would fall within that remit. Stallholders will learn how to hold their bladders for 8 hours and forego refreshment breaks, in fact market traders will probably thrive on it, especially in winter months when the cold weather buggers up your plumbing.
It wasn't the 48 hour week I was primarily thinking of, but the 5.6 week/28 day minimum statutory holiday. How will this fit in to 6 day a week opening for 3 months or maybe permanently?

gynn 25-09-2010 08:44
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The Council's solicitor is very professional and you can be confident that she will have researched the legislation and not let the Council do anything in breach of the law or EU directives.

BERNADETTE 25-09-2010 11:05
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 847385)
Thank you, it really is the only way forward now.

Tesco is going to hammer the market in terms of new custom. I also foresee all sorts of traffic problems when it finally opens unless some drastic restructuring to the road system is implemented.
The traffic round that area is already horrendous so god help us when the Tesco traffic starts in earnest:(

Ken Moss 25-09-2010 12:59
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 847397)
It wasn't the 48 hour week I was primarily thinking of, but the 5.6 week/28 day minimum statutory holiday. How will this fit in to 6 day a week opening for 3 months or maybe permanently?
I'm sure Cllr Haworth has taken this into consideration......

The legal team will advise them on any action that they have decided to take and it is only for three months at the moment and so is perfectly legal.

Permanently may prove more problematic and it is inevitable that they will find this out when they try to ram it through in February. I cannot for one moment see Cllrs Britcliffe and Haworth backing down over this as it will be the ultimate admission of failure. Any sane person would listen to the screams of protest from the borough and admit that a rethink is perhaps necessary but not these two.

Mind you, even Britcliffe is feeling the heat as he is seemingly absolving responsibility for the Market Hall on the grounds of a personal interest, something which hasn't really interfered with his own publicity campaign up until now.

lindsay ormerod 25-09-2010 15:20
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Been in the market hall today in search of the veggie/ health food stall that used to be in there, it's obviously done one, along with all the punters. Handy if you want to learn to crochet though as that was todays pointless craft lesson being taught to some very uninterested bods.
Now can one of you crochet me up some mung beans?;)

garinda 26-09-2010 23:15
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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 847491)
Handy if you want to learn to crochet though as that was todays pointless craft lesson being taught to some very uninterested bods.
Now can one of you crochet me up some mung beans?;)
She's apparently the silly knit in residence, who's apparently there for three months.

Funded by the silly nits we have in charge.

Art in the community, or a nibble fingered biddy, taking up space vacated by former market traders.

Take your crochet needle, and pick which one you think is a more suitable description.

Tealeaf 27-09-2010 15:46
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I'm surprised this exercise has got past Health & Safety; just think of all those sharp knitting needles flying around the place. What happens if someone gets injured? Who picks up the bill? The ratepayers? The stallholders?

dam 27-09-2010 16:50
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Been in there today although i dont usually go in even though ive lived in accrington for 20 years. I thought the buiding is beautiful and what stalls are there ( which isnt many, the rent/lease must be a fortune )have some great products.

Retlaw 27-09-2010 17:20
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 847385)
Thank you, it really is the only way forward now.

Tesco is going to hammer the market in terms of new custom. I also foresee all sorts of traffic problems when it finally opens unless some drastic restructuring to the road system is implemented.
Why don't all the market traders pick say next Monday, and don't turn up to open their stalls what could britcliffes mafia do about it, and if its covered by some clause in their contracts, just hang a sign up "Closed due to Sickness"

Retlaw.

walkinman221 27-09-2010 17:41
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I think only reason they want this six day week is because of certain people who run the cafe upstairs want it and daddy says he can make it so.

cashman 27-09-2010 17:57
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 847960)
I think only reason they want this six day week is because of certain people who run the cafe upstairs want it and daddy says he can make it so.
think ya may be wrong wi that, from what they said they don't want it, had to sign a 6 day lease wi being new traders.:confused:

walkinman221 27-09-2010 17:59
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 847967)
think ya may be wrong wi that, from what they said they don't want it, had to sign a 6 day lease wi being new traders.:confused:
just sayin what i got told off one of the butchers in there he says its all down to mr b

Margaret Pilkington 27-09-2010 18:16
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Hm, just goes to show that you shouldn't believe all you are told.

Margaret Pilkington 27-09-2010 18:19
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also See post number 8 of Coffeebeanz in Market Hall thread.....and all will become clearer.

cashman 27-09-2010 18:24
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 847969)
just sayin what i got told off one of the butchers in there he says its all down to mr b
it does look that way no question, cos of who they are, but they say no.:confused: by the way, if it does all go tits up, its down to him no question, just not the traders.

walkinman221 27-09-2010 18:43
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 847979)
it does look that way no question, cos of who they are, but they say no.:confused: by the way, if it does all go tits up, its down to him no question, just not the traders.
100% correct with that ,cause at the end of the day most of the established traders have been there long enough and made a living without our peerless leaders help havnt they.

Less 28-09-2010 12:55
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Just had quick look around, very spacious, if they put anymore stalls in it will ruin the accoustics.

SPUGGIE J 28-09-2010 13:09
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 848121)
Just had quick look around, very spacious, if they put anymore stalls in it will ruin the accoustics.
You sending UKCowboy down to have a concert just in case?

cashman 28-09-2010 13:16
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Just popped in fer crocheting lesson, not a soul to be seen, just a sign. :D

Margaret Pilkington 28-09-2010 15:24
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I can teach you to do that Cashy......it isn't difficult.

Less 28-09-2010 15:56
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 848146)
I can teach you to do that Cashy......it isn't difficult.
Strange isn't it no doubt money has been found from the 'we have to tighten our belts', budget to pay for this useless demonstration, but for some reason anything practical, (which could mean a profit to the Market), always seems too expensive?
Why not ignore the arty farty and be practical.
So far as I can see the traders want to have a place they can trade, we want a place that doesn't just have loyalty from locals but attracts people from far and wide.
What do we get?
A tomb stone to Britcliffe, there's plenty of stone, to bury him under when the doors are finally closed.

Tealeaf 28-09-2010 16:49
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848127)
Just popped in fer crocheting lesson, not a soul to be seen, just a sign. :D
You should have taken over the show and started giving crotcheting lessons yourself.

Benipete 28-09-2010 19:36
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848127)
Just popped in fer crocheting lesson, not a soul to be seen, just a sign. :D
Do you think we are being stitched up.:D

Called in today, thought it was great - only market I have been in and not spent anything.:rolleyes:

garinda 29-09-2010 07:32
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Yesterday some of the stall holders said they are sooooooo looking forward to next week's grand reopening.

:rolleyes:

Though as Atarah said earlier, it never closed, so technically can't be 'reopened'.

Though I suppose it reads better on the headstone.

Whoops.

Brass plaque.

:rolleyes:

JCB 29-09-2010 09:37
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 848362)
Yesterday some of the stall holders said they are sooooooo looking forward to next week's grand reopening.

:rolleyes:
I thought we'd had it . Is there a date on the brass plaque ?

cashman 29-09-2010 09:41
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 848405)
I thought we'd had it . Is there a date on the brass plaque ?
yeh had a sneck yesterday, it says june 2010 can't remember date, cos i missed the Grand Opening.:rolleyes::D

Benipete 29-09-2010 09:48
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848127)
Just popped in fer crocheting lesson, not a soul to be seen, just a sign. :D
I'm hanging back for the fog knitting and soot juggling demo's.:hehetable

Less 29-09-2010 10:00
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 848413)
I'm hanging back for the fog knitting and soot juggling demo's.:hehetable
You'll never get to see them they will be hidden from view by some political smoke screen.
http://chestofbooks.com/science/pyro...oke-screen.jpg

JCB 29-09-2010 10:02
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848407)
yeh had a sneck yesterday, it says june 2010 can't remember date, cos i missed the Grand Opening.:rolleyes::D
I'm getting confused here , which isn't difficult for me .

Garinda speaks sbout the grand opening next week , or is he referring to some other opening of something that never shut ?

gynn 29-09-2010 10:25
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Possibly the most successful market in Lancashire is Fleetwood. Interesting to note the following that I came across -

"New opening hours for Fleetwood Market

Following consultation with customers and traders, Fleetwood Market will now open four days a week all year round from 1 October.

The increase in winter trading days follows a successful trial of Thursday opening in the run up to Christmas for the past three years. The move will meet increased demand and remove any confusion for the hundreds of thousands of shoppers who visit this gem each year, as trading days have previously been different in winter and summer.

Now the market will be open Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays, 9am to 4.30pm, regardless of the season.

While other markets are struggling and facing closure, Fleetwood Market is bucking the trend. Despite the effects of the recession and temporary loss of trams to the town, there is still a waiting list for stalls on the inside market and a planning application will shortly be submitted to create additional permanent stalls on the outside market."

What is so special about Accy Market that it has to open 6 days?

Less 29-09-2010 10:35
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 848429)

What is so special about Accy Market that it has to open 6 days?
Because just like God our esteemed leader rests on the seventh day, otherwise he would move it to the maximum of working days.
:D

garinda 29-09-2010 11:08
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I'm getting confused here , which isn't difficult for me .

Garinda speaks sbout the grand opening next week , or is he referring to some other opening of something that never shut ?
It is rather confusing, as the official press release in July said it had already happened, as well as saying this...

'Accrington Market Hall trades Monday – Saturday, except Wednesday'
http://www.quarterbridge.co.uk/asset.../Acc_Press.pdf

Perhaps they're dusting off their muffs, and having a re-re-opening, and a celebration of the return of Victorian values, in which the traders will have to now work every hour God sends.

Less 29-09-2010 11:10
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 848435)
Perhaps they're dusting off their muffs, and having a re-re-opening, and a celebration of the return of Victorian values, in which the traders will have to now work every hour God sends.
Could it just be another chance of a photo shoot with the Obbo's favourite model?
:)

cashman 29-09-2010 12:58
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Just been down n was told the grand opening is next week, reckon "That" would be a good day fer the traders to protest????;):D would look very well in the Observer methinks.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Retlaw 29-09-2010 14:43
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848450)
Just been down n was told the grand opening is next week, reckon "That" would be a good day fer the traders to protest????;):D would look very well in the Observer methinks.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:
Some one would realy have a red face, if none of the market stalls was open for business. Nows their opportunity.

Retlaw

Benipete 29-09-2010 14:55
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I ventured into town today,the plan was to get a book from the library and read it in the market where it's quite.:)

Library was shut.Oh well one door opens as they say!:rolleyes::D

Less 29-09-2010 15:17
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 848467)
I ventured into town today,the plan was to get a book from the library and read it in the market where it's quite.:)

Library was shut.Oh well one door opens as they say!:rolleyes::D
I can understand why you would want to read it in the Market hall, much quieter than having the constant click of the keyboard that the library has from those computer keyboards!

cashman 29-09-2010 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 848463)
Some one would realy have a red face, if none of the market stalls was open for business. Nows their opportunity.

Retlaw
True Retlaw, but far be it from me to cast the first stone................Just the BIGGEST.:D

MargaretR 29-09-2010 16:26
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Now that his 'grand opening' might be sabotaged, what's the betting it will be postponed?
.................................................. ..............until December

JCB 29-09-2010 18:21
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 848482)
Now that his 'grand opening' might be sabotaged, what's the betting it will be postponed?
.................................................. ..............until December
It'll give them time to make another brass plaque .

Ken Moss 30-09-2010 05:55
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 848429)
Possibly the most successful market in Lancashire is Fleetwood. What is so special about Accy Market that it has to open 6 days?
Nothing, but Cllrs Britcliffe and Haworth have never heard the expression 'less is more'.

Mind you, come the next administration I probably won't be saying that as there'll be enough brass plaques to weigh in across the borough to pay for a community centre in Rishton.

Come on Peter, there's an envelope to open in Springhill this morning, get minting those plaques!

JCB 30-09-2010 18:40
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The new cafe upstairs gets a good write-up in tomorrow's Observer .

cashman 30-09-2010 18:43
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 848750)
The new cafe upstairs gets a good write-up in tomorrow's Observer .
I wonder why?:D

walkinman221 30-09-2010 18:46
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it must just be good, honest

cashman 30-09-2010 18:49
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 848753)
it must just be good, honest
oh to be honest ive heard its ok, take more notice of real people than any old crap the observer print.;)

walkinman221 30-09-2010 18:52
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true, proof of the pudding and all that

DaveinGermany 30-09-2010 19:02
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 848750)
The new cafe upstairs gets a good write-up in tomorrow's Observer .
Well someone has to speak up for him as he's not actually been overly involved on here since he burst onto the scene middle of this month. :do-one:

Bonnyboy 30-09-2010 22:03
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As of Wednesday next week the outdoor market will be running 7 days a week (in various formats) I can only assume that the Market Hall traders will be told/asked to follow suit before long. A few late night openings on the run up to Christmas might be pencilled in, just to add to the tension. That’s just me speculating tho.

Porters/cleaners have still not been officially told of the Wednesday trading which will obviously alter their duties and responsibilities. Let’s hope there is actually someone there who knows that the doors have to be opened and stalls set up.

Splendid time for the Market manager to go on holiday :rolleyes:

cashman 30-09-2010 22:13
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hes happen coming wi me, i'm away next weds.:D

Bonnyboy 30-09-2010 22:16
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848794)
hes happen coming wi me, i'm away next weds.:D
He's a she ;) You might have some explaining to do to the good lady cashy :D

garinda 01-10-2010 07:30
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848756)
oh to be honest ive heard its ok, take more notice of real people than any old crap the observer print.;)
There's a flyer, presumably paid for, in every copy of this week's Observer.

Advertising next week's grand spectacle, and announcing the times that little bald bloke, off Benny Hill, will be doing cookery demonstrations in the Market Hall.

Perhaps it was just coincidence, that the review, and the flyer, appeared in the same week's copy.

:rolleyes:

MargaretR 01-10-2010 07:37
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I don't normally subscribe to evil thoughts :D
...but don't you just wish that this event will be a sabotaged fiasco?

Margaret Pilkington 01-10-2010 08:22
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Margaret......in a word 'YES'.......is there anyone on here who has access to the electrical fuse box? and would be willing to 'pull the plug' for the lights and the sound system? Only joking! :D

Mick 01-10-2010 08:27
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I don't think it will need help it will be a fiasco without any sabotaged
if a certain person is going to be there:D

MargaretR 01-10-2010 08:45
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I think his speech will be devoted to awarding all 'credit' for the venture to Cllr Marlene (Patsy) Haworth.:rolleyes:


(PS I lived with a narcissist for 8 years and know how they think/plan/manoeuvre)

JCB 01-10-2010 19:20
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In this long saga of the Market Hall Refurbishment where have the Opposition Party on the Council been ?

If the problems have been so bad I would have expected them to raise the Town Hall roof .

If there haven't been Council meetings surely there are other ways of making their voices heard , and I don't mean by going on Accy Web ,which is not a suitable platform from which to address concerns to all the people of Hyndburn . Hopefully , as more people get involved with the internet , in the future it will be .

cashman 01-10-2010 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 848756)
oh to be honest ive heard its ok, take more notice of real people than any old crap the observer print.;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeebeanz (Post 848954)
Well lets just hope that Wednesdays are successful, if not then it will go back to 5 days in 3 months. Once again, I am not responsible for 6 day openings. I signed up to a 6 day lease myself. I really hope people on here will stop rather unfairly slandering me & my business based purely on who my father is.
The observer review was mostly positive which me & the team at Coffee Beanz are actually very proud of & it shows our hard work seems to be paying off. However, before suggesting it was in some way biased please note that there are a couple of negatives so if it was in fact biased, i would have preferred no negatives at all. lol.
If nobody really pays any attention to this then it will be my last post. There is no point fighting a losing battle on here, especially when it seems most of you have already made your judgements about me before meeting me, or even knowing me. So I hope this makes a difference.
yer talking crap where are "most" thats made there minds up,? i have criticized yer old man frequently n if ya took the trouble to digest the posts i and a few others aint made false judgements, perhaps yer gettin a bit paranoid? yer not used to peoples humour on here yet, but running away won't do ya any good IMHO. hope yer business is successful.

JCB 01-10-2010 19:42
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Originally Posted by coffeebeanz (Post 848954)
There is no point fighting a losing battle on here
I disagree , coffeebeanz .

If you believe that what you say is right , don't give up if you feel you are losing the battle .

Think of all the causes that have been fought for against the odds , but were won in the end :-

The Battle of Britain .
The abolition of slavery .
Votes for women .
Civil Rights in America .
The downfall of the Soviet Empire .
The end of Apartheid.

cashman 01-10-2010 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JCB (Post 848961)

I disagree , coffeebeanz .

If you believe that what you say is right , don't give up if you feel you are losing the battle .

Think of all the causes that have been fought for against the odds , but were won in the end :-

The Battle of Britain .
The abolition of slavery .
Votes for women .
Civil Rights in America .
The downfall of the Soviet Empire .
The end of Apartheid.
see someone else wi same point of view as me.

Margaret Pilkington 01-10-2010 20:05
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And me...for what that is worth.
I don't think there is anything to be gained by running away.
I too, wish you success with your business, and congratulate you on the positive reviews in the Observer.

I just wish that the powers that be, had left it up to the individual stall holders as to whether they open on a Wednesday or not....and if this was not possible, then there should have been some financial incentive(such as a reduction in reents for the time the trial is on going) offered to induce them into opening on a Wednesday.

CoffeeBeanz, I hope you stay around.

flashy 01-10-2010 20:09
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Coffeefella, stick around even if it's only to prove people wrong

steeljack 01-10-2010 20:18
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[quote=JCB;848961]
Quote:



Think of all the causes that have been fought for against the odds , but were won in the end :-

The Battle of Britain .
The abolition of slavery .
Votes for women .
Civil Rights in America .
The downfall of the Soviet Empire .
The end of Apartheid.
The Battle of Britain .......... OK will agree with you on this, though some would say it just delayed a "United Europe" by 50 years
The abolition of slavery ....... importation of low cost labour /loss of decent paying jobs for native population. Introduction of compulsory 6 day working week for Market hall traders
Votes for women ........ Margaret Thatcher, Harriet Harman
Civil Rights in America ......... Barrack Hussien Obama
The downfall of the Soviet Empire .......rampant increase of crime in Western Europe,
The end of Apartheid.........murder/crime rates in South Africa have increased by 1000% , Mugabe in Rhodesia/Zimbabwee , Mass exodus of educated productive professionals

Think you could have found better examples ;) :D :D

Alan Varrechia 01-10-2010 21:44
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Don't know if anyone will agree with this. 6 day trial period will last right over christmas, which i reckon will be busy in most places therefore trial period deemed to be a success, bring 6 day opening all the time.
Just my opinion. what does everyone else think.

cashman 01-10-2010 21:49
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would hope ya right alan, i doubt very much if 6 days in accy will be successful, any time of the year.:)

Alan Varrechia 01-10-2010 22:02
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I just don't think they have picked any old three months. Be it 3/4/5 or 7 day opening the build up to christmas is bound to be busy, so when they look at the averages it will seem really good and bingo 6 days. It seems to me that the place is doomed, and it's such a pity, all because of one mans megolomania.

cashman 01-10-2010 22:06
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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 848994)
I just don't think they have picked any old three months. Be it 3/4/5 or 7 day opening the build up to christmas is bound to be busy, so when they look at the averages it will seem really good and bingo 6 days. It seems to me that the place is doomed, and it's such a pity, all because of one mans megolomania.
Oh i agree wi that, if 6 days were to remain, its the end of what used to be a damn good market hall.IMHO.

Ken Moss 02-10-2010 00:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JCB (Post 848956)
In this long saga of the Market Hall Refurbishment where have the Opposition Party on the Council been ?

If the problems have been so bad I would have expected them to raise the Town Hall roof .

If there haven't been Council meetings surely there are other ways of making their voices heard , and I don't mean by going on Accy Web ,which is not a suitable platform from which to address concerns to all the people of Hyndburn . Hopefully , as more people get involved with the internet , in the future it will be .
Well done on missing the front page of The Observer for the past two weeks, the various letters pages of the Lancashire Telegraph and all the online protests.

There's a big difference between making yourself heard and having the power to change foolhardy decisions. The ego at risk in this equation has now made such a rod for himself that he cannot possibly back down in February over 6 day trading.

garinda 02-10-2010 07:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeebeanz (Post 848954)
Well lets just hope that Wednesdays are successful, if not then it will go back to 5 days in 3 months.
Although 'forced' to sign a contract, stating you'd open six days per week, do we take from that post that you do fully support the change?

The rumours, from those downstairs traders, unhappy at being forced to open against their will, seem to have some credence then.

garinda 02-10-2010 07:37
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Originally Posted by coffeebeanz (Post 848954)
I really hope people on here will stop rather unfairly slandering me & my business
Care to illustrate that rather outlandish claim with any examples?

cashman 02-10-2010 09:12
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Originally Posted by coffeebeanz (Post 848954)
Well lets just hope that Wednesdays are successful, if not then it will go back to 5 days in 3 months.
oh good. please illustrate where this has been said,? am sure the long time traders are not aware this is the case, from what ive been told it will be reviewed in 3 months, a world of difference. this could be good tidings, even fer those who have made this 6 day week.

Less 02-10-2010 09:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeebeanz (Post 848954)
Well lets just hope that Wednesdays are successful, if not then it will go back to 5 days in 3 months. Once again, I am not responsible for 6 day openings. I signed up to a 6 day lease myself. I really hope people on here will stop rather unfairly slandering me & my business based purely on who my father is.
The observer review was mostly positive which me & the team at Coffee Beanz are actually very proud of & it shows our hard work seems to be paying off. However, before suggesting it was in some way biased please note that there are a couple of negatives so if it was in fact biased, i would have preferred no negatives at all. lol.
If nobody really pays any attention to this then it will be my last post. There is no point fighting a losing battle on here, especially when it seems most of you have already made your judgements about me before meeting me, or even knowing me. So I hope this makes a difference.
Congratulations on your first post outside of your 'advertising thread',
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...all-54903.html
what a shame that it has the threat of being your last, you haven't given us much of a chance have you?
I've just re-read that thread and I thought the majority of posts were from well wishers. May I also take this chance to wish you luck with your venture.

As for references to your Father, try not to let it effect you too much in judging us, I for one don't intend to let it affect me in judging you, that will depend on how well you do in your posts on here, though looking at the above, I would say that they can only improve.:)

Once more I will wish you well both with your new Business and your new membership here on accyweb, may they both grow equal to the efforts you put in to them.;)

JCB 02-10-2010 09:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 849010)
Well done on missing the front page of The Observer for the past two weeks, the various letters pages of the Lancashire Telegraph and all the online protests.
.
Accrington Observer front page 17/9/10 : No mention of the market .

Accrington Observer front page 24/9 10 : An article on a possible traders' boycott .No mention of Opposition activity until page 4 , when Pam Barton speaks out , and we are told that the Labour group has called for a rethink .

Accrington Observer front page 1/10/10 : No mention of the market .

Ken Moss 02-10-2010 10:46
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 849056)
Accrington Observer front page 17/9/10 : No mention of the market .

Accrington Observer front page 24/9 10 : An article on a possible traders' boycott .No mention of Opposition activity until page 4 , when Pam Barton speaks out , and we are told that the Labour group has called for a rethink .

Accrington Observer front page 1/10/10 : No mention of the market .
My mistake, it was the 10th September and 24th September editions. Since Peter Britcliffe somehow manages to get his own quotes in almost every story in that august weekly publication I'd say that the chances for a balanced report are very slim.

However, anyone with half an eye on the Market Hall ball would be aware that the Labour and Independent councillors are unanimously against six-day trading. It is not going to work. You may have chosen to be unaware of our stance but all the stallholders know that we are on their side and are fighting their cause from within HBC. At the end of the day those are the people who really count in this pitiful situation.

I'll be investigating how much the advertising leaflet cost and it also seems a huge coincidence that his son's coffee stall gets a glowing review in the same edition that is trying to quash stories of the Market Hall failing. I don't wish ill fortune of Coffeebeanz, but there has been a maximum of two customers sitting there every time I have been in the Market Hall compared with packed seats in the two cafes immediately below.

Six days will not solve that, I'm afraid.

JCB 02-10-2010 11:29
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 849070)
My mistake, it was the 10th September and 24th September editions.

However, anyone with half an eye on the Market Hall ball would be aware that the Labour and Independent councillors are unanimously against six-day trading.
.
No problem with mistaken dates . I forget the day of the week many a time .

But Observer 24/9/20 page 4 says that Cllr David Mason of the Independents in Hyndburn group said that the six-day trading "experiment" was worthwhile and argued that the town centre must start competing .

lancsdave 02-10-2010 11:36
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 849084)
But Observer 24/9/20 page 4 says that Cllr David Mason of the Independents in Hyndburn group said that the six-day trading "experiment" was worthwhile and argued that the town centre must start competing .
Which business in the town centre does he run ?


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