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" He brought a lot of people to the market and therefore a lot of money, " said Marlene Haworth . Both quotes from Accrington Observer , 29/10/10 . |
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The traders are financially crippled by the sixth day because no extra money is being spent in the market. |
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Bring back Fanny.
That would have got the crowds in. |
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Sean Wilson cost £2,500 to promote his own business for a day and Kenny Baker was a slightly more reasonable £350, although he might have been a bigger draw on Saturday morning when peple are actually off work and can find time to come see him.
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Anyway, after checking, although Fanny comes cheap, her and Johnnie are no longer available. :D |
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Ripped her skirt off everything, and handed out cheese straws. |
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Can't get cheesier than 1980s Doctor Who surely? |
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Baker's Cyst - NHS Choices If left to ferment. Cost? Price of a bag of flour. :D |
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I see Mr Gryle's up & about too ! :D |
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If Fanny was here she'd be weeping. Johnnie, would be there to wipe away those tears of joy. |
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It seems that a reappraisal is in order.
Cllr Haworth was quoted today as having spoken to 12 traders in the Market Hall, all of whom were in favour of Wednesday trading as they had seen their takings double from what they took on Mondays. If that's true then it seems I must eat my words but for some reason I remain skeptical. |
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If the powers that be manage to convince themselves that Wednesday trading works then it will be the toughest turd in the world for the stallholders that disagree. |
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Get her to ask one of the Market Hall's busiest stalls, Len's, and see what they say, or any of the butchers, or the biscuit man. Perhaps her twelve are all from upstairs. :rolleyes: |
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By the way, tell Cllr. Haworth by 'Len's' I mean it's Len's Cooked Meats stall. Just in case she hasn't heard of it, and might need to ask someone where to find them. |
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yes i will be in the market on thursday to have a talk to them.
Also on thursday come to the town hall and have a 2min silence at 11am with myself and irene then have a cup of tea or coffee in the mayor parlor hope to see you all yours malcolmp |
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i forgot about this .. on saturday afternoon i was walking through the market hall .. and there was about 20 people all sat down on the chairs at the bottom of the stairs .. and bloke standing there with boards saying .. Lancashires Criminal Past .. now i didnt see any pics of our longstanding accywebbers there :D:D:D.. so carried on walking .. but is this going to be a longstanding thing .. a talk in the market hall ... on a saturday afternoon .
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Thought the idea of the market hall was trade not trivia ?
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With their tremendous wealth of successful business experience behind them I'm sure they have a lot to teach us all, particularly any market trader harbouring under the archaic idea that the borough should continue the ridiculous charade of closing early on Wednesdays. Who do we think we are? |
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The only real trade that I have seen on the new opening days has been the ground floor cafes. I fear that if this present situation carries on then the Market is dead once Tesco open and start to push the price war with Asda:mad: |
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I share your opinion regarding Tesco and they are all widely regarded as instigating the death of the town market, no one is taken in by this. |
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Here is a wild question to throw in the pot
Does it matter if the Market Hall does close? If yes, why does it? |
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It wouldn't matter if Ossy closed.
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What are the things about shopping in Accrington that make it different from other towns? The Market hall,............er, I can't think of anything else. Take away the Market Hall and everyone will be doing their shopping in Asda and Tesco. Just like every other town in England. Or am I being over nostalgic? |
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The only snag with that line of thinking is that it was doing perfectly alright without a lot of interference from councillors. What we have here is less euthaniasia and more murder and the culprits will be right in the public eye. Of course if we hadn't had 13 years of Labour rule.....works every time, doesn't it? |
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I'll fight to the last to keep the Market Hall open in Accrington but with the councillors we have in control offering this kind of help I don't think I'm going to get the chance to be of any use to the traders before May at the earliest. It's a crying shame and a shining example of the massive egos we're up against. |
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It's the oldest market hall in Lancashire and it's been providing an excellent service to the town and its environs since 1869...until those on the council decided to start meddling. As Gynn says, it's one of the things that differentiates us from surrounding towns, who demolished their market halls in the mania of 60's redevelopment and must be bitterly regreting it now.
Despite the encroachment of superstores and other modern retailing concepts, there is still a place for the market in the 21st century, as Bury has undoubtedly proved. However, the idea of transforming the market hall into some sort of multi-media events centre is a waste of time - it's where people go to buy things, not listen to glorified buskers, fawn over Z-list celebrities and gawp at somebody's crochet work. :rolleyes: |
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As they have sacked the Oldham M.P. fer lying, can Marlene Haworth being a councilor, be sacked if she is discovered to be doing the same?:cool:
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You may not NEED a market but how boring without one, what's left in the town centre? As gynn said, if Bury can PACK a huge market, why can't Accrington? |
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I suspect that many of those visiting Bury are from Manchester and it's environs - Bury, is afterall, just a quick tram ride away. And lets face it - there are quite a few people from Hyndburn who take the short drive down there or just hop on the bus. I think the problem with Accy is it's relative size and it's inability to expand and reach a critical mass were it can be seen as a viable shopping destination.
It could possibly sell itself as a niche market but that usually involves the sale of higher priced goods and offhand I can't think of 'owt in which Accy could specialise in. We certainly don't want to go down the road of having a 7 day a week flea market. What is undoubtably the case is that the Market Hall itself needed to change. I remember several years ago going in there with a colonial mate of mine and he thought he's entered a time warp; his comment was - do you need a ration book to shop in here? It really was a mixture of 1950's hardboard tat and digusting coffee shops (one employee of which may have heard my friends comment because the liquid I was subsequently served with appeared to contain rat poison). What is also the case is that the restoration has been only a partial success while the management regime is now an absolute disaster. It really is time for a radical rethink on the market hall and the outside market and what they should be doing and how it should be done. |
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Well it certainly wouldn't matter to me If It closed but then neither would the Library.Civic Hall,Sports Center and every Fast Food Takeaway shop in Accrington.;)
On the other hand they are important to other people so I'll keep my gob shut.:D:D |
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I agree. It's what makes the town different from anywhere else in the country. Towns and cities with the same old boring generic high street stores. What Accrington has, is a truly stunning building, still fit for the purpose it was built for, well over a hundred years after it was constructed. Up until the refurbishment it was packed with busy stalls. I'm not blaming anyone, just commenting, that it seems emptier than it was before, for whatever reason. The wooly sculptures doesn't compensate for that. Again, just my opinion. People do shop in there. At the moment you could more or less buy everything you need to sustain a family for a week. If this remains the case, once the massive new Tesco opens, remains to be seen. Though many of the market traders fear it will be the end of their businesses. Is it important it remains a Market Hall? Yes. It makes Accrington different from other towns, it creates jobs, and it provides a place for people to do their shopping who'd prefer their money not to go into the pockets of the supermarket owners. In the future, towns will become like the old Victorian mill towns, where the only shop was also owned by the mill owner. Who basically had their workers over a barrel, as they had no choice where to spend their wages, other than paying it back to the already wealthy industrialst's shop till. The country will be carved up by the big boys. Each town having it's own one stop superstore, and Joe public will once again be over a barrel. Sadly the numpties who've allowed this to happen, will be long gone. |
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some may say nostalgia, i say a Market Hall gives a town center character, which may sadly be lost, if the numpties don't change views.:rolleyes:
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Accrington was never reliant on just one mill owner, or even just one trade, unlike some other places, so that can't be applicable to the logic or observation. |
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Thriving it may be, as was Accrington's until fairly recently, but it'll make him think Accrington's grand Victorian Market Hall is positively space age in comparisson. Your dear friend might have a queer turn. ;) |
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He's always to be seen in there. Crochet hook in hand. :D |
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If that is the case, why did you not challenge the statement? |
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All systems go for new Tesco - Accrington Observer Although Tesco failed to come up with the correct number of local jobs promised, they did stump up the million quid bung, whoops, the 'one million pound for regenerating Accrington town centre'. Was this figure, of a million punds, ever increased? Perhaps one of our councillors could inform us of the amount Tesco donated? |
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Your original reference was to that of the 'Truck' system, where factory owners paid their employees in tokens that could only be spent in the the factory shop. The first act partially outlawing this in 1725, followed by the major one in 1831 - that was under the reign of William IV. There were two subsequent acts in the 1880/90's but they were only clearing up odd bits. So when Victoria began her reign in 1837 there was little left of trucking; growing cotton towns - and other industrial towns throughout the UK - began to develop their market centres. Accy market hall and it's immeadiate market area is a classic example of this; lots of competing stall holders . Practically every other town in England was the same. I quote from you..'in the future, towns will become like the old Victorian mill towns, where the only shop was also owned by the mill owner. Who basically had their workers over a barrel, as they had no choice where to spend their wages, other than paying it back to the already wealthy industrialst's shop till' No doubt some mill owners will have owned shops in Accy and places like it but by Victoria's reign most people were paid in hard earned cash and were free to spend it as they wished - and that is why Accy town centre developed as it did. Garinda, you either need to take a chill pill or alternatively join the thread on floating lead coffins; whatever, please leave the history stuff to the experts. |
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Towns like Saltaire, Meltham, Bournville, Poundsbury, Port Sunlight, Copely, Akroydon and Creswell, etc., etc., all flourished at the height of the industrial revolution, under the reign of Victoria.
The workers were employed by the sole factory, paid rent to live in the houses owned by that one company, and shoped in the stores owned by that factory/mill owner. The result being, there was really very little choice of option. Anyway, Mr. Picky, we digress. Soon this country will be carved up, and each area will have it's own superstore. Result? No competition, and therefore no choice, and because there is no one else, no real value for money. Like it or not, most businesses in Accrington fear that by having a town centre superstore, such as Tesco, that it will adversely affect their trade, and could see them cease trading altogether. There is only so much money to go around. Superstores are fine, if they are out of town, and if people have so little time that they like doing all their shopping in one place, and all their money into the pockets of just one owner. |
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Good luck in the Accy Web quiz. God willing, with the right wind behind you, may you one day be lucky enough to win it. ;) :D |
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Who taught you that phrase, Plato, in his Academy? :rolleyes: |
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If you’ve never had the pleasure of reading “The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists” by Robert Tressell, here’s a succinct excerpt that explained more to me about how the world works than school ever did.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...k.html&h=fe5b9 Think you will find this explains what garinda is saying.:) |
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I've just read it; can't see 'owt about Accy Market Hall. Is it in another chapter; if so, what page?
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Maybe the point flew straight over your head.
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Then again, maybe it didn't....but I'm perplexed. What has pseudo-scientific, neo-Marxist claptrap got to do with the splendour of Accy's Victorian Hall, its history and its future?
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The workers in the places I named were paid in cash, and therefore did have some option of choice, as to where to spend that money. Though in reality, if you lived in Saltaire, working six days a week, you could always journey into Bradford to do your shoping, on your solitary day off. There wouldn't have been many places to spend that money. The Sabbath being a day when trading was forbidden. They say history always repeats itself. With the opening of the massive new Tesco store, it probablty will. ;) No councillors willing to share yet, just how much Tesco donated to council coffers? :rolleyes: How about how much the new road works and roundabout's cost? I know that falls under L.C.C., but any ideas? Can't be much change out of a million quid, considering the tiddly little roundabout on Haslingden Old Road cost £800,00.00. :rolleyes: |
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I know one nutter, plus another nutter, equals two fools having a party. ;) Many strings to my bow. A blessing; Being bestowed with so many gifts. Now toodle off back to plumbing the depths, in your Look and Learn of 1964 thread, this one's about the refurbishment of the Market Hall. ;) |
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Decimal Point/comma misplacement/missing/extra zero warning! If this had been Star Trek bulbs would have been exploding everywhere, How come even in the future Americans never fit fuses to anything? :) |
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Too many cards to count. Not having the time myself to waste on something so straightforward as mathematics. Boringly simple formulas, that an even simpler machine can do, or even a monkey. I'll leave that to you, Chee-Chee. ;) |
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Quite possibly soon to be empty market, an ex market where people used to shop till the traders were driven away.
Maybe a certain councillor has it earmarked for a place to display his medal and plaque collection. I think rindys point was the market was a metaphor for the downtrodden masses and tesco is the upper class mill, shop, house,everything you need to survive provider. Thats what i thought anyway. I could always take Jays view and just blame the last 13 years of labour rule. :hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::) |
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Happily for you I'm not the leader of the council! My mistake doesn't change millions into thousands though, it's just gibberish. Suprisingly it still reads illustratively, and conveys my point as to costs. It also serves as a reminder of not posting on Accy Web, whilst also attempting to scramble an egg. :D |
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With Tesco's wonga in the council's coffers, Tesco will emerge as victor. The losers will be the townsfolk of Accrington, who then have little choice as to where to shop. Short-sightedness is common to many politicans. The nature of having elections every few years, mean they very rarely look at the long term effects of their policy decisions. Especially when they can get their hands on a 'donation', in the here and now. |
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Surely not. :rofl38: I have been in. Twice in six years, and bought nowt, each time. :D |
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There's no doubt Tesco do bribes; forgetting the brown envelope stuff, I think I put a posting a few months ago on the Stanley section about Tesco's football summer schools in Lancashire in 2010; 4 of 'em in total, all located in areas where Tesco had previously got planning permission for store developments. One of 'em, of course, was the Sports Centre in Church. |
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It's easier to see as far as the next election, rather than thinking about the long term future. |
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Could it be that Tesco selected the sites for their soccer schools in areas where they were about to develop new stores, as a Google Page Ranking Exercise to get themselves popular with future customers? |
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Accy Webbers who are also councillors, just how much did Tesco donate to the coffer's for regenerating the town centre, as part of their planning application offer? Was it just the one million pounds? :rolleyes: |
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Ergo. I know you're history. You are the Missing Link. Goodbye. :ello: |
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Have just been in market hall n visited 3 stalls, asked em all what do ya think about this weds opening? none were complimentary, the best thing to a positive comment were one said, its a real pain in the arse, after 2-00 i won't get any customers at all, but i have to stay open until 4-30, its a poor do when yer can't decide how yer own business operates, but yer can't win wi the council.:( so marlene haworth musta spoke to 12 of the others, or did she?:rolleyes:
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She probably rigged the question and the votes. She should be on X factor.
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come on now...politicians(national or local) have been known to use poetic license......or as I would say...fiblets.
I don't believe what MH says, after all it is in her interests for the Market hall to be seen to be increasing Wednesday trade...she has a vested interest, as she is the cabinet minister(what a ridiculous title) for the place. |
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Three have put their head above the parapet in the Telegraph
"A number of traders backed the comments. Steve Hayman, of Slacks Butchers said, “Wednesday trade is definitely picking up and the trade is building nicely.” Lynn Hind of Matthews Cards and Hardware said: “We are glad we are giving it a try as we have been busy”. Andrew Lund of the Sweet Stall said: “We were in favour of the trial and we are finding trading decent, so far so good.”" |
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I have made very little comment on the Market Hall refurbishment because I hadn't seen it, but I have now, its a hell of a site better than it was the last time I went in and was quite busy really, but still think it should be up to the traders to say whether they want to open, on Wednesday, end of story
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Me and my Mum refuse to go in on a Wednesday as we feel that the traders should be able to decide not the councillors. Do they work 6 days a week and only have Sunday off is the question?? ;)
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Not many then...............heeheehee!!! :D
Still wont go in on a Wednesday though, many people wont Wednesday is prob thier washing and cleaning day!!! ;) |
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Wednesday's should be kept special. Sacred day, of the god Woden. Woden's day should be a day of rest, and worship. :D |
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I have to say that I had to google that to see what it meant!!!! :rofl38: Also dont forget that Jeremy Kyle is on in the morning................:p |
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Jeremy Kyle? Who is he,? |
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