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Seems like he's talking a lot of sense to me, whichever side of the political fence you sit

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Pointless.

You rendered any reasoned debate invalid, when you voted that people don't have a right to vote in a referendum, and decide for themselves whether they want European Union membership, or not.

I'll ask again.

Why did you clearly state on this forum just over two weeks ago, that you have no problem with a referendum, mentioning democracy in that same post, then vote against it, denying people that democratic right?

We'll keep asking this, until you supply a satisfactory answer, regarding this contradiction.

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Rindi its like a senior Labour councillor once said to me, "we have no choice we're told how we have to vote" when I asked him why after supporting a Tory proposal at full council, he voted against it http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/000204AB.gif


Baa Baa Baa Baa Baa

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If you want to blindly carry on arguing your pro-E.U. argument, though I fear you're whistling in the wind, as the polls on here show you're in a tiny minority, there are plenty of of threads for you to do that in.

This thread is about whether people think it right that you voted against allowing them a referendum on E.U. membership, which earlier this month you stated you had no problem with, before hypocritically voting against giving people that democratic right.

Please try and keep to the subject of this thread.

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Although there were 19 Labour M.P.'s with the balls to put their constituents' democratic rights, before their own personal agendas.

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I'll keep rubbing my crystal-ball!

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Think Clegg is very foolish because if there was a snap election the Lib/dems would be wiped out

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That wouldn't be a bad thing. Reckon UKIP would increase their vote dramatically if the two major parties don't wake up to what the bulk of the electorate want. Be interesting to see what Cameron will do over the next few months, moreso as he seems to be losing popularity with the female voters.

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Doubt it cos Hitlers dead.:D

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When did that happen:eek:couldn't have been very recent or Groove would have started a thread on it;)

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Wynonie, what's that song the Ultras belt out when you've just scored, and retook the lead?

Something about it being all quiet in the other end, and them only bothering to sing when they're winning?

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I've never mentioned this before(although I was nearly sure) how would former MP Ken Hargreaves have voted with regards to this referendum, would he have represented the wishes of the electorate or would he have toed the party line.

Well I have just had a conversation with Ken and asked what he would have done in similar circumstances, without a shadow of a doubt he would have voted FOR the referendum, mind you I would have expected that anyway, as Ken was only ever interested in the people of Hyndburn and not his own political career, or party dogma, its just a pity others don't take the same stance

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On this issue, when it comes to what's democratically the right thing to do, you're either for the people, or you're against them.

Especially so, when at 70% nationally, the vastly greater majority of people, want the right to vote in an E.U. referendum.

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Oh yes, that's right, it's on the tip of my tongue. Graham and Bernard are both regulars at the Crown, maybe they can remind us? ;)

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Spoke to three lifelong Labour voters this afternoon.

Well, more accurately, three ex-Labour voters.

Utterly furious at what's happened, and how out of touch they feel the party now are, when it comes to answering the needs of the ordinary men, and women of Britain.

A lost vote here.

A lost vote there.

Soon mounts up.

Though I don't suppose that matters to some.

If you're both deaf, and blind, to the public feeling of the majority of Hyndburn residents.

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Just a guess, but I've got a strange feeling that unless there's a satisfactory explanation, as to why Graham publicy states one thing, then does another, that there's enough life in this thread to rival the longevity of 'Living off the fat of the land', or the 'Britcliffe Monthly' calendar thread.

:rolleyes:

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Or you could always start another specially dedicated;)

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Nah, I hate waste, and excess.

Never make a good politican.

Why have two, when one will work perfectly well?

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Have a heart, just think how Graham would feel being tagged onto the tail ends of a Britcliffe Thread :D:D

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No, I was saying I have a feeling this thread might have a simlarly long and active life as those others I mentioned.

Certainly up to three and a half years.

Nae bother.

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Oh I see longevity, to rival those threads, in might reach the heady heights of Video Jukebox, and today I met, threads:rolleyes::D

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Interesting how straightforward an issue this is seen as, and how it's being reported througout the world.

In countries with no hidden agenda.

'Back in 1975 people voted to join a Common Market. Since then it has developed without ever having had another referendum on what is now the European Union with its own national anthem, its own flag and its own parliament. European rules and regulations intrude into ever more areas of British life.'

'Polls suggest MPs calling for a referendum enjoy strong public support. A ComRes survey for ITV’s News at Ten found 68 per cent support the idea of a national vote on whether or not the UK should remain a member of the EU.'

The Canadian National Newspaper: Crisis inside European Colonial Union: Britain out?

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Thats funny our MP said it would be neck and neck:rolleyes:

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Most polls are showing there's about 70% of the public who believe there's a need for a referendum to decide this issue.

Except in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Not sure about there.

Perhaps a politican might come on and tell us.

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Is that another name for Westminster Rindi;)

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I suppose that it was always an unrealistic expectation to believe that Graham would vote in any other way than the way his party dictated. As others more sage than I have observed, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Can you really imagine Graham giving up the enormous amounts of fun to be had by being a whip? Can you imagine him having the temerity to say to the party "Fine, deselect me if you wish, my constituents come first". Call me a cynic, but I can't.

I cannot begin to hazard a guess why the Government and the opposition are united in wishing to keep the people of this once proud country bound to the autocratic dictat of a faceless, unaccountable, unelected bureaucracy. Can it be that, like the gracious Lords Kinnock, Mandelson, Patton and Ashton (Yes, I know she's a woman) they all seek a first class ticket for the Euro Gravy train in their personal political hereafter? Well, good luck to them. But I have the feeling that they had better be quick about making their reservations because it is begining to look as though that particular train is going to come off the rails in spectacular fashion a good deal sooner than anyone expected.

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For anyone interested, I voted "no" in Rindys Poll and "out" in 1975. But then you probably all guessed that.

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Poor unworldly Graham, opens his keyboard and puts his size nine right in it.....

(26-10-2011, 07:47. post No. 101 "Today's EU question: how would you vote? ")
"I raise my concerns with Ed and his team particulalry(sic) on the issue he has raised, migrant labour. It is far more effective to be inside the tent looking out and than outside the tent looking in. A foolish hero for (a) day, irrelevant thereafter."

So spare us the burning martyr bit Graham and the evasion and equivocation. The fact is you sold us out. The people you were born and brought up among, who placed their trust in you to represent their views in Parliament, because they thought that you were a decent guy who had their interests at heart, you sold us out to the ohh so 'principled' and decidedly 'un-shabby' Ed Milliband. Dear God! I wonder what your price was? Hope you made sure you got it in writing. I also wonder if your new best mate will put himself out to find you another seat after the next election? You know what they say, Graham; never trust the word of a politician.

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We don't now Bob

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In a word 'No'....he didn't make the right choice.....what is more, I think that someday he might regret his choice.

The politicians would like us all to believe that we cannot survive if we left the EU(scare tactics).......that jobs would be lost. Speak to the people at Bombardier in Derby and see what they think.......being part of that great trading market didn't do much for their jobs.

And as for that toady Nick Clegg and his tirade against those who think we should pull out of the EU.......he was an MEP so he is banned from doing anything other than promoting the EU in a positive light...regardless of what he really thinks of it. Anyway, I guess when his time in British politics comes to a close he will be looking to jump on the lucrative gravy train that is the EU.

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Seems the cats got his tongue.:D been online tonight.

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He wouldn't do that would he Margaret, politicians don't do that,:confused:do they:rolleyes:

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Probably took another look at the straw poll, and then went for a drink to drown his sorrows;):rolleyes::D

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Ignore questions or not, it's not going away.

At least until there's a satisfactory answer.

As to why Graham publicly stated on here, that he had no problem with a referendum, as it would 'settle the issue democratically', then two weeks later voted against it, and denied us this right.

I'm sure this is of no great concern to him.

Even though, as the poll shows, it is to his constituents.

He might even be laughing about it, whilst quaffing champagne, at some swanky London do, with the party elite.

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Ya and sod the real elite, the local electorate

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Is this Jonesy looking for a bench outside Accrington Market Hall?:rolleyes:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6...eople+vote.jpg

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I noticed that 46 people voted Yet there are 136 posts here, I know some are repeat posts but 46would hardley represent a true opinion of the people.
It's the same in elections, if more people became active and voted we would have a government that we deserved, and you can take that either way.

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True, but it does give a clear picture, across a broad spectum of people, of public opinion in the little, micro world that is Accy Web.

Put it this way.

If I was Graham Jones, I'd sleep much easier knowing 41 people, or 89%, of the people gave me their backing.

Rather than a lowly, pitiful 5.

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Which when you take away his own vote, and the few, from the blindly faithful party loyalists, it brings that support down to virtually, a big, fat, zero.

A relatively small sample.

But I know having the support of which vote would fill me with more confidence.

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Hope it's decent stuff -to take away the bitter taste...:rolleyes:

“They put gall in my food and gave me vinegar for my thirst”.;):D

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'Go on Ed, I will have another little black pudding.'

'You're spoiling me, thanks.'

'Olives?'

'Oh right, what am I like?'

'No, it's all great up there.'

'Bit damp, but that's the north for you.'

'Not like here, it's really toasty.'

'I haven't worn my vest once in London, not once.'

'Europe? No.'

'Most people in Hyndburn haven't a clue where it is.'

'Probably think it's a new pound shop.'

'They certainly don't have any worries about it, that's for sure.'

'No, everytime I'm forced to go back all I ever hear from the old constituents is them moaning on about Google's unfair world domination of the search engine market place, and all about their sleepless nights worrying about copper theft.'

'That's all really.'

'Yes, I'd love a top up, ta ever so.'

'You really are spoiling me, you little tinker.'

'You'll have me squiffy, on my back, legs akimbo!'

'Oh there is a fat-arsed, disabled nut job, always moaning on and on, that he's nowhere to sit, when out shopping with his mummy.'

'We just pass him on to the old council, saying there's not a great deal I can do about that.'

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When a person does not meet your expectations - don't blame them -
consider whether you may have expected too much

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Wise words.

You're right.

Perhaps I expect the same kind of integrity that I saw growing up.

Thank you Margaret.

I'll go and have my tea now.

:D

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the only way to send a clear message is to slam the door in his face when he canvases next election time and simply dont vote for him and remember that anything he says or prommises will probably change 10 days later.

I for one will no longer vote labor while graham jones is standing.I could forgive a sordid affair or even a bit of expense fiddleing but spitting in the face of the people of his own home town is unforgivable.

His actions have proven to me that democracey is only available to us mere mortals when they decide we can have it which is every 5 years and when election night is over they know they can sit back and do as they please for another 5 years:rolleyes:

never mind only 1 vote down but i do hope it catches on .

ps:

dont get excited torys i aint voting for you or libs either i would rather use the voting slip to wipe my ... well you get the drift :)

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I can remember my Granny often saying "you can't expect much where there isn't much to start with" Which seems to echo your quote Margaret. But the truly sad thing is that Graham actually is a decent, honest and trustworthy bloke. And as such, in many ways, represents the most admirable traits of the people of our borough. Or at least he did until he had his head turned by the fratricidal Milliband who, it will be remembered, not only stabbed his own brother in the back, but also had to be publicly shamed into marrying the mother of his child. What a role model.

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This is an excerpt from 'The All-Party UK Politicians Year Book 2012', just published. From chapter 1:

....political decisions fall into 4 categories:

a) Right decisions (rarely made)

b) Wrong decisions (usually made)

c) Hidden decisions (no one knows who made it and why)

d) U turns (in which politicians promise one thing and do the opposite).....







.....

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Ha! So "Bench-gate" falls into b) and c) possibly to become d) at some un-specified moment in the future....:rolleyes::D;)

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Afternoon tea in Westminster.

"Two lumps and a sponge finger!" (From the 2 Ronnies -The Worm that turned!)

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Totally agree.

I think he is.

I thought he'd be a great representative in Westminster, for the people of Hyndburn.

That's probably the real reason I'm so very disappointed.

I'll never agree with his pro-continuing E.U. membership stance, but I'd respect his view.

What I'm unable to forgive is that he publicly stated he had no problem with a 'democratic' solution to this issue, via a referendum, and then two weeks voted against giving us that right.

Even though there was ample evidence, both locally, and nationally, that people are desperate to have their opinions counted in a referendum, regarding our future relationship with the European Union.

A s I've said, I think this is such a vitally important issue for our country, I will never again vote for anyone, or any political party who doesn't actively campaign that we are allowed a say in our future, in an in/out referendum.

No matter what happens over the changes re: the Boundary Commission, I can never again give my vote to Graham.

Personally, that saddens me.

But because of this vitally important issue, you're either with the people.

Or you're against them.

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Again, agree.

For Miliband to say their relationship didn't need a piece of paper to prove it was committed, and shortly afterwards cave in, in the hope of currying public favour, shows personal weakness.

It certainly doesn't exhibit an assured self-confidence, or indeed that he thinks the publics' intelligence is all that bright.

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But he still loves his Bro deeply:rolleyes:

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Yeah, just like Cain loved Abel.

http://www.smilie-harvester.de/smili...d/stabbing.gif


:rolleyes:

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simple- they already know what THEY want to happen and they also know that the people want the exact opposite, therefore the only solution is to block the referendum

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UM didn't Geoffrey Archer write a book about them:rolleyes:

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I prefer Steinbeck .... more subtle ... Archer couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag.;)

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Thats not what his bank manager says;)

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Well , I learn something new about myself each day :gooddog:

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See what Accy Web does for you JCB:rolleyes::D

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I know Jaysay . Seems nobody loves me . :(

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Oh I don't know JCB its a long time since you collected red, its now all green:D

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OOoh! Now, well, Stop the press my deario's.

THIS MIGHT CHANGE THINGS A BIT>>>>>

You know how the delightful Mr Salmond of the Scottish National Party insists that within the next four years he will bring before the Scottish Parliament a Bill for a referendum on Independence for Scotland. And how the PC worthies are all bleating about how we must maintain the Union at all costs?

Well it seems that, if the referendum returns a majority in favour of independence, then at the point of dissolution of the Union each country, England and Scotland, will have to renegotiate their membership of the EU, because it will be impossible to determine which country, England or Scotland, would be the lawfull successor to the former United Kingdom and its Treaties.

An Independent Scotland has my vote! (or at least it would if I had one, but as I am English and not Scottish I am hardly likley to be invited to that particular bunfight)

Still, where there is life there is hope.

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'Och aye, the noo!'

http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emo...tland-1646.gif

'It's all for nothing if you don't have freedom!'

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It sounds all lovely and 16th century-ish.

Will we be able to execute traitors again?

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Ohh, if only, if only. No wonder the mandarins in Whitehall are not too keen on Mr Salmond and his referendum. Can you imagine the amount of work they would be landed with, in having to renegotiate every treaty signed and still effective over the last three hundred years.

Frau Doktor Merkel was right the other day when she indicated that the alternative to saving the euro and the eu was potential conflict. But as with most euro pols. she is months behind the curve. Change, conflict driven or otherwise is on its way and cannot be stopped. It will make no difference how much money is thrown down the gaping maw of the banking system. As Omar Khayyam put it in the eleventh century:

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it. "

And the words that the moving finger wrote...
" j' accuse! "

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Watch 'n' weep.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post945823

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Absolutely right. Europe is being governed by a committee......a pretty poor one at that, because the only people who seem to be getting a say in things are France and Germany.
If I were Silvio Berlusconi I would be very worried......the Franco-German dagger is pointing in his direction. How long will it be before all the PM's in the EU countries are replaced by people who are sanctioned by Sarkozy And Merkel? Puppets who will dance to the tune played by these two?

I cannot understand why the French and German people want to keep on dipping their hands into their pockets to support a system which is so obviously flawed.....throwing money at the situation is never going to work.
Europe/ the EU/ the single currency should be disbanded.

And as for the cry 'it is too difficult to get out of the EU'.......why? Angela Merkel was talking about throwing Greece out of the EU and the single currency if they carried out their plans for a referendum.....so, so much for it being difficult.
What can we do to get thrown out?

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Possibly as a little 'hors d'oeuvres' some of you may wish to read this:

Greek wage cuts teach grim lesson

It's no wonder the Chinese were not prepared to bailout the Eurozone when you have nonsense like this. But - bailout aside - we as UK taxpayers are continuing to pay for this, simply on the basis that Greece is the second largest net recipient of EU money. They were the largest until a couple of years ago when Poland took the crown. I've no doubt there are now similar horror stories there.

Still, you never know, when Greece finally goes belly up some of these drivers might come over here to work the Todmorden Curve line, with a little hardship sweetner thrown in. No doubt GJ will be fully supportive of this measure

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No doubt what so ever T it will EdMils edict to all his storm troopers;)

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You're so unhip.

Simply every cosmopolitan cool dude knows it's 'EdM'.

Tut.

:rolleyes:

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Sorry;)

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It seems like Silvio Berlusconi is going to be forced to resign.(something t hat I felt would happen)
He has been something of a clown, but it is a great worry that Frau Merkel and Monsieur Sarkozy will want someone in his place who will fulfill the aims of the pernicious EU.......they will choose(perhaps covertly) who is suitable to run Italy rather than the italian people. Yet another blow to democracy.

So Graham, do you still think you made the right choice?

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Er..yes he does.

The argu...whoops, reasoned debate has been continuing on Facebook.

'Britain desperately needs the E.U.'

'Britons don't need no democratic referendum, no matter what I said previously.'

Get the picture?

Sure you do.

Still no need for you to sign up Marg.

Same old, same old.

:mad:

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well i suppose if we loose hyndburn as a constituency one small blessing will be 1 less vote against the people of this country having a say in things and one MP less that thinks he is above everyone else and thinks he has the right to over rule the majority :rolleyes:


cant wait to see how he tries to spin his way out of this

wether or not we are better off in the EU it isnt up to him or his pals to decide.The decision to stay or leave the EU shoudl be made by the people of this country not a few self centered idiots who think they know whats best for us

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As i very rarely go on Facebook, i assume that quite a few of his respondants aint from Hyndburn? Thats fine he aint gotta convince them.:rolleyes: so long as graham bears in mind, its a damn site easier going up,than coming back down.:rolleyes:

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wont answer on here because the poll shows he is wasting his breath ;)

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I know but he keeps looking.;)

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Ya he's playing peek-a-boo cashy:D

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He's trying to convince himself that the public (vis his constituents) like himself care little for this issue as seen in every opinion pole about it. It seems that in the two weeks since this discussion began the EuroSkeptics have lost the argument and to a degree lost his support by the lack of a credible alternative and then switching from empirical argument to personal criticism...
Taken from his own pubblished words from the Facebook exchange with Garinda. His profile is open for anyone to see.

What really saddens me is his conviction that people didn't vote for him personally at the last election but instead voted for a manifesto .. in my experience people vote with their hearts as well as their heads AND above all for the person who they think will represent them best, not for a party machine. I wonder how many of the electorate actually sat down and read every dotted "i" and crossed "t" of the party manifesto's?

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Though Graham did end his last message, in our little exchange, by saying he is 'appreciative of my support'.

:confused::eek:


I'd hate to think just how relentlessly badgering and angry I'd be, if I no longer supported him.

:rolleyes::D

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The people of Hyndburn did vote for Graham, the person.......because he had a very good reputation for hard work and listening to the electorate of his ward. Of working for the people who put him where he is in politics

They did not vote for the Labour party manifesto....and Graham if you think they did, you are deluding yourself. The electorate was sick of the Labour party, their lying, double dealing tactics....which is why they were ousted from power.

I am pretty sure those who voted for him in the general election trusted his reputation to be carried over into the work he was planning to do at Westminster.
How very disappointed they must be to see their views and opinions disregarded in a cavalier fashion.

How sad they must be to realise that we have as our representative in Westminster, someone who is no different from the lot that were thrown out, as being unfit for purpose.

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I did.

I voted for Graham Jones, the man.

People were so sick of the last Labour government, as all the pre-election polls showed. I thought our seat was ripe for anyone to come along and win it.

I pursuaded friends and family members, disillusioned Labour voters, to vote for him.

On the same day, for the only time in my life, I voted Conservative, knowing in my ward Cllr. Brtitcliffe's return is already guaranteed.

I did that so I could come on here on election day, and perhaps encourage people to vote for the person, not the party, as I said I'd done, in the hope Graham Jones would become our new M.P., and he'd do us proud.

Putting my cross next to a Conservative candidate's name, I half expected to be struck down with a bolt of lightning.

No way did I expect anything as horrific as what actually has happened.

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Love him or hate him, PB he might not have been the flavour of the month as leader, but he has never let the people who voted for him down

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Well John, I have to say he was a ruddy awful leader of the council....he may not have let his ward down, but he made up for it with what he did(or didn't do for the town).

I am all out of patience with all politicians...every colour, every persuasion. To me they are lower than snake oil salesmen.

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(Lower than snake oil salesmen). Its a classic that one Margaret.

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Ward councillor, can't be faulted.

Council Leader?

Search through my old threads.

Think I may have found one, or two faults, that I may have pointed out.

Though of course that's all in the past, now some are trying to label me as some right-wing, Little Englander.

:rolleyes::D

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Congratulations Bernard, you win a coconut, your first post on the thread:rolleyes:

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You're bad.

:D

Really hope I'm well tomorrow.

Wendy's promised me more high drama than an Wagner opera, more laughs than a Whitehall farce, more tears and tantrums than an Elton John fly-on-the-wall documentary.

I'm hoping to be so moved, as to give a standing ovation when the curtain comes down.

;):D

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I know little or nothing of Graham's career as a politician - but can understand that it's easy to be fooled by the bright lights of the capital. What counts at the end of the day is personal integrity and understanding that you are only in the position you are in thanks to the people who voted for you.

On his profile he looks to be a nice person - we can all make mistakes the important thing is to learn from them...

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Glad you like it Bernard! As they say, the old ones are the best.

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Thought you'd already withdrawn your support definitively...?! Or was that just my impression Garinda...;):)

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Personally I was disgusted, no matter what his own, or his party's stance is on E.U. membership, when he posted on here that he had no problem with a referendum, mentioning democracy, then voted against it.

The spark that made that disgust turn into a nuclear explosion, was the fact that literally minutes after the vote result was announced in the Commons, Graham was on Twitter, smugly tweeting that the result was a 'Tory disaster'.

No mention how, because of how he chose to vote, and despite what he said, the result was a disaster for everyone.

A disaster for democracy.

A disater for Britain.

A disaster for the constituents of Hyndburns' rights.

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I don't say one thing, and then do another.

I posted before the vote in the Commons, that I will never again for a politican, or party, that doesn't actively promote the need for an E.U. referendum.

I won't.

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Perhaps not so much a disaster as a wake up call ...time for people of integrity who have the common man in mind...

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My mis-understanding G, you did say:

"I'd hate to think just how relentlessly badgering and angry I'd be, if I no longer supported him"

I sometimes read things wrongly...mea-culpa!:D

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As I've said, I think he is a good man.

He 'could' have been a good, representative, local M.P...for Hyndburn.

I honestly don't think he actually realises just how alienated from, and disgusted by, ordinary people are with Labour, after Blair/Brown.

He won Hyndburn.

It was most certainly not the Labour ticket, that came attatched to him, that secured the victory.

We hoped that attatchment was stronger to the people, than the party.

We now sadly know it isn't.

:mad:

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I understand how disappointed you are - he could still be a good representative for Hyndburn (or Accy and district as I prefer to think of it).

Turn the other cheek -give someone another chance...

Or give 'em a kick up where it hurts most and look for a replacement... hard choice?

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I'm not sure about the Wagner opera. We certainly get the tantrums from time to time. Wendy exaggerates just a touch.

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Some lessons are hard to learn -we live in hope...!

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Graham apparently 'appreciates my support', he said yesterday.

Perhaps by 'support' he means he's planning I end up in some concrete foundations, supporting a car park, somewhere.

:eek::rolleyes::D

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Perhaps he means for fund-raising events -are you good at making cakes or doing crochet mats for example?