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Perhaps it was a 'if you don't vote for a referendum, I won't vote for you again' type threat :rolleyes:

I love the way he plays with figures and then states that a 47% reduced to a 45% out vote is a 'dramatic' change.

I love the way he talks about a low turnout meaning that those that didn't vote aren't interested or want to stay in. Maybe we should apply that to voting in the last two local elections, which basically would mean we would still have a Conservative majority on the council.

I love the way he bangs on about saving local jobs without a shred of evidence to show that these jobs would have been lost if we pulled out.

I also love the way he paints Eurphobes as inflammatory without mentioning that Europhiles are just as inflammatory.

I also love the way he leaves the door open by saying that now is not the right time, so that they can include it in their next manifesto just in time for the next election.

Somehow I doubt that people will forget what Labour did, or trust them to keep their word next time.

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They will, its down to the party blinkers that many people wear.

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Please enlighten me, Which of the main 3 parties "Does" keep there word?:confused:

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Probably non of them 100%, I think they change their mind when then get in power and learn what is really going on. It's easy when your not in power to say what you would do to mend the world, once in power and all the facts are available reality sets in.

I also think some say what the voters want to hear just to get votes, like labour and the referendum but I would guess that did not stop you voting for them with your union head on.

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That old western statement is applicable with politicians Neil, white man he speak with forked tongue, for white man substitute politician;) think its called bending the truth;)

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Substitute Politician speak with Bent Forked Tongue.

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Well ya, probably accounts for all the spluttering;)

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Yeh guess wrong then.;)

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Did you have your's on few years ago, which prevented you voting for Gayle, because she happened to be standing for Labour?

:rolleyes:

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Though going back to an E.U. referendum, and Graham Jones letting the constituents down by voting against it, grassroots support for the right to have a say in a referendum seems to cover the whole political spectrum.

Even if this isn't mirrored by the parties themselves, which cover that spectrum.

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I don't believe you did not vote for Graham at the last national elections, its in your blood :p

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As a politician for most of your life you are an expert on the subject

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I vote for the person I think will be best for the area.

I have never had any party allegiance and I have never wanted to get into politics but have often been accused of it.

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Wrong Neil, i voted fer none cos none of ems worth a you know what.;) As Graham himself is well aware of my reasons.

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Are you telling fibs?

I remember at the time you said you voted for the person with the best breasts.

:D

You also said you couldn't vote Labour.

Even though you thought Gayle would have been a good councillor.

Though PB had just stopped smoking, and had put a bit of weight on, so did have a cracking rack on him at the time.

:D

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Never been an elected member of anything, so therefore never had to bend the truth really, anyway I've always said it as I see it, thats why I don't have much time for some people now:rolleyes:

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You always get mixed up with that one, it was you who was voting for bumps not me

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I never said you had been elected, I said you have been a politician most of your life.

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ya but when your not elected you have no say and are not responsible for making decisions;)

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I think that being 'involved' in politics is a bit different to being a politician.

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No, I'm like an old Nelly the elephant.

I never forget.

You made a joke about breasts, and also said you could never vote Labour.

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Yes, a maid who works in a brothel, isn't an actual whore.

She just helps them out when they're busy.

Isn't politics the second oldest profession in the world?

:rolleyes:

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My point entirely Margaret;)

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Its actually debatable which came first Rindi:D

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I'm watching this one with interest, we'll see how Mr Jones blog post holds water regarding the peoples pledge, now that there is cross party support in the Cheadle campaign.

He's already on shaky ground by branding Europhobes as inflammatory, because I see nothing inflammatory in the following blog from the Peoples Pledge founder.

People's Pledge: For every John Redwood, you need a Jon Cruddas | Total Politics

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'Lord Owen is the most senior political figure to back a referendum publicly.'

'He twice resigned from the Labour front bench over its opposition to the then European Economic Community and founded the rival Social Democratic Party.'

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Give us a vote on EU demands Lord Owen




Good to see at least one ex-Labour, pro-European minister, has finally realised that the we deserve a say, whether we want to be a part of a centralised governed state, that the European Union has become, and which is very far removed from the purely trade alliance, that we voted to join in the seventies.

Let's hope today's active politicans wake up and smell the café...before it's too late.

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Big fault wi Owen to me..............Hes goes the way the winds blowing.:rolleyes: even if i do agree wi him, regard him as a tosspot.

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Ya cashy ya stick your left leg in your left leg out, in out, in out, shake it all about:D

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'The Labour Party manifesto calls for a 100% elected House of Lords. However, the Labour Party also believes that before making such a huge change, there should be a referendum – only if the country votes through a referendum for Lords Reform should it go ahead.'

Graham Jones MP: Lords Reform should not go ahead just to appease the Liberal Democrats

Oh well, if those pulling the strings, say a referendum is the only answer, when there's momentous change planned, that's ok then.

I suppose a referendum would 'settle the issue democratically'.

Which Graham Jones posted on here would also be the case, in a referendum on E.U. membership.

Two short weeks prior to voting against us having that democratic right.

After all, the European Union has momentously changed, from when we voted in a referendum to join an economic trade alliance called the Common Market.

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Hey ... that Common Market thing wasn't a bad idea.:D I have neither the time nor the inclination to trace how it grew, or mutated into the EU though:confused: The mess that the EU is in will certainly affect economies world wide ... us too.:mad: If the Greeks pull out; and if you guys get the referendum you want and deserve, the whole thing will come apart ... good riddance too. There will be a lot of short term pain, no doubt; but the long term gain will more than make up for it. And the Hun will for a third time in a century lose out in attempt at dominating Europe:theband:

Obviously I have no love for Germany; but you gotta admire their resilience and tenacity:rolleyes: Maybe the Germans have been reading their Sun Tzu: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

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Even if the give us a referendum Eric doesn't mean they'll take any notice of it, they're like that politicians, they always know best:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Yes, John.......I'm sure that I read somewhere(one of the online newspapers) that even if we were offered the chance to vote on the EU, it would not be binding!
Where is the point in that eh? Appeasement...pandering to the electorate without actually doing anything positive on the results......unfortunately, that sounds about right.

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They'll do what they did with Ireland. They'll make us keep repeating the exercise until we come up with the "correct" result.

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Disagree, to repeat, yeh gotta get the exercise in the first place.:rolleyes:

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Not so sure about that. I reckon the rapid rate at which things are changing in Europe with the euro on the point of unravelling before our eyes, they might have to give us a referendum. But they'll fudge the question or ignore the result or do something to deny our wishes.

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You never know ... if it looks as if the EU is disintegrating (and it certainly looks that way) a referendum, without a fudged question, could be a good move for the government. Get the people's sanction for heading to the lifeboats. And then Cameron can say: "Sorry Angela, old girl, the great unwashed have spoken. Not much I can do about it, what. After all, democracy and all that. Have a nice day.":rolleyes:

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Good.

They'll just have to concentrate on the invasion along the eastern front.

They could all be singing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles in Ankara, by Christmas.

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Its like my Fathers said before he died, he always said we fought 2 world wars to stop the flaming Germans from ruling this country, now we're giving it to them on a plate, well in words something like that anyway:rolleyes:

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How many fathers had yeh?:D

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One but I have two fingers which I've got stuck in the air right now:thefinger:thefinger

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Peace to you too brother;)

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Granted:D

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Posted today...

It may be beneficial to hold a referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union at some point in the future

Graham Jones MP: It may be beneficial to hold a referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union at some point in the future

Perhaps that's the sound of Penny droppin' 'em we can hear.

Or even just his supporters, vanishing.

:rolleyes:

Let's not get too giddy though.

He came out with similar appeasing platitudes on here.

Two weeks before voting with his party, and against the people, and against a referendum.

Perhaps it won't be fully ok to have the right to vote in a referendum, until the man pulling his strings says so.

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So, in this mythical 'future' time, the British public will magically, and suddenly, have the brains to work out what they actually want?

What a load of pig swill.

This is about a principle.

Either people have the right to vote in a referendum on E.U. memebership, or they don't.

Time's irrelevant.

Though it does make a mockery of the rather weak argument given by some, that the situation is too complex for Joe Bloggs to understand.

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'The central point to take from it is that the debate around EU membership – which often descends into nationalism and emotional arguments –'

Graham Jones MP

Utter tripe.

It only became mildly heated when you unmasked yourself as a hypocrite.

Prattling on about a referendum settling this question democratically, shortly before voting against us being allowed one.

As for nationalism, I was busy fighting right-wing extremism when you were still in short pants...even though there's only a year between us.

So that's more crap.

(No need to thank me for helping to push your jazz mag doodlings, whoops, blog. I know you don't get many readers.)

;)

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Ya mean he has a blog:rolleyes:

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I'm thinking of applying for a job as Cameron's speech writer. As part of my application, I will submit the following sample of my work:

"Fellow Britons, thank you for allowing me into your homes. In the recent past we embarked on a journey with our European friends and allies. In our march from the dark valleys of war and destruction to the sunny uplands of peace and prosperity, we have united with them in creating a New Europe, one of co-operation in both the economic and political spheres.

Dark clouds are again gathering in the skies over Europe. These are not clouds of militarism and war, but of economic distress and uncertainty. Her Majesty's Government, supported by Her Loyal opposition, employing the mandate given to them by you, the voters, have worked tirelessly to promote the best interests of Great Britain. The time may soon be upon us when we have to act decisively to protect those interests. In co-operation with my colleague, Mr. Clegg, and with Mr. Milliband, I have instructed the Ministers of the Crown in charge of the relevant portfolios to work towards forming a commitee to consider how we should respond to the present crisis.

However, this is not the time for rash and precipitous action. But at some time in the future, probably after you have spoken in the next General Election, you, the great British public, may be asked to vote on our membership in the European Union. I know that some of you, perhaps as many as 5%, favour swift, decisive action based on a simple, and in the opinion of your representatives at Westminster, simplistic question. But, this is not the British way. We must not panic. We must remain calm as we watch events unfold.

I am aware that some few of you may be unhappy with this. To those few I say: There are regular flights leaving Heathrow for Canada and Australia. Have a nice day."

I know, it's a work in progress. But I've heard worse.;)

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Or put simply eric, If yeh don't like it Pish Off.;):D

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Well, if you remove the cliches and the bs, it does kinda mean that:D

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What are cliches:rolleyes: okay I'll get mi coat:D

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John, they are something you keep your lettuce under:D

Oh, no...sorry, those are cloches.

Shame you can't get transported these days for stealing a sheep!

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Wouldn't make any difference to me Margaret I don't like Lamb:D

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Neither do I John...it makes me really sick....but if I thought I would get transported for stealing one....I might be tempted(just to steal it - not to eat it).

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Well I glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like lamb, it makes me sick too:eek:

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I prefer lamb over beef. Some say it is too greasy, but not if you trim off all fat before cooking.

It has an added advantage -
....sheep eat grass and aren't raised in sheds eating recycled dead flesh, so it is only way I eat meat that isn't labelled 'organic'.

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Ya can do what ya want with lamb, it makes me retch just thinking about it:s_sick:

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Lamb makes me sick too.

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I could eat it, but it would come back double quick...lamb makes me throw up...salmon does the same...don't know what it is about it...and it doesn't matter how it is cooked......even the smell of it makes me feel queasy.

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Well I love lamb.

Commonwealth lamb, from New Zealand's lush pastures.

You can keep your European mutton, raised on dust.

:D

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Graham Jones's feeble attempts in his blog, to try and label those who are demanding a referendum as some right-wing nationalists, and Little Englanders, is yet more utter dross.

Personally I adore mainland European culture.

As part of my degree I studied there. I've worked there. I've travelled extensively in Europe. I planned to retire to the continent. My first love was from there. Hell, I even lost my virginity to a mainland European, whilst staying there, and more importantly, until recently I was a lifelong Labour supporter.

So that pathetic attempt to label people as bigoted extremists, certainly doesn't wash with me.

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To be honest I wouldn't waste my time reading a blog of any person that treats his constituents with utter contempt, I like the though of yourself and accyman right wing nationalist and little englanders, anybody heard if he's the Edinburgh Fringe this year;)

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Yes, it was never really going to stick, that label.

Unlike the one now super glued to a certain someone's forehead, proclaiming them a 'Hypocrite.'

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Can't understand why he even tried, silly and childish really

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Germany agrees to referendum over controversial EU banking union in move that increases pressure for British vote | Mail Online
I wonder if the will be a C change in thinking about Europe, now that the Germans are even saying no further integration will take place without the say so of the German people

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Dream on, not a hope in hell imho.

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I don't know.

Written the other week.

'It may be beneficial to hold a referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union at some point in the future.'

Graham Jones MP: It may be beneficial to hold a referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union at some point in the future

Perhaps the worm's turning.

Or more likely...squirming.

Seeing as it's support's dwindling, and we're now more than half-way through this political term, and there's now a very visible General Election on the horizon.

Expect yet even more empty rhetoric now, which will probably start coming thick and fast, as polling day draws nearer.

In order to hoodwink the electorate.

Not that many are going to be taken in, twice.

We all know a referendum would settle this question democratically.

Graham Jones told us that, on here.

Two weeks before voting that we shouldn't be allowed a vote in one.

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Take away hope cashy and we have nout left;)

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Ya but remember that he's been told to say that by Mr Ed, ya know he who shall be obeyed if you want a political career at Westminster:rolleyes:

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Finger on the pulse yet again Mr. Jones... on a day Barclays get their come uppance for the greedy southern traders screwing the figures so that a select few could make an absolute killing...

BBC News - Barclays fined for attempts to manipulate key bank rates

Our Graham decides to bleat on about a few traders doing the traditional cash in hand jobs.

MP Graham Jones in cash-in-hand tax dodge rap in wake of Jimmy Carr offshore furore (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Surely there are far more important things for an MP to do in the silly season than report a plumber or criticise many of his own voters for occasionally trying to get expensive repairs done a few quid cheaper.

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Shushhhhhh Guinness you'll be giving him a conscience;)

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Well sorry Mr Jones, but this is one of the most "Absurd" things i heard yet in nearly 65 yrs.

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epedemic

sure dosnt think much of his home folk does he

we are all to thick to vote on the EU and the majority of us are crooks

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He also said....'the irony is that those avoiding tax will be those that shout the loudest if they or their loved had to be denied expensive cancer treatment because of NHS cutbacks.'

And of course as we all know, ALL taxes go to the NHS and none whatsoever goes to feed the bottomless pit of European gravy train, unnecessary and unwanted foreign aid, Baroness Udin, the farce that is the Levenson enquiry and MP's expenses

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'...we should look in disdain.'

MP Graham Jones in cash-in-hand tax dodge rap in wake of Jimmy Carr offshore furore (From Lancashire Telegraph)



Oh we can do that look, really, really well.

We do it to hypocrites.

People who say one thing, then do another,

Such as saying a referendum would settle the question of E.U. membership democratically.

Shortly before voting to deny people that right.

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Or attempt to pay the interest on all the hospitals Labour built, using P.F.I.s,

They should have asked for something off for cash.

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In some Trusts PFI payments are taking up around 14% of their total budgets, due to Labours live today pay tomorrow policies:mad:

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Dodgy things dudgets , Jay! ;) :hothothot

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Thanks Di, don't know what your on about :rolleyes::D

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Well he might want to stay away from the subject of bank misdemeanours. After all, it was his lot that brought in "light touch" banking regulation, under the auspices of the oh-so-aptly named Ed Balls. :rolleyes:

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only yesterday it was disclosed that HMRC had not bothered to chase the interest on tax debts of large companies(like Vodafone)....so it beggars belief that GJ is wittering on about some little man dodging a few quid in tax(though, I'm not saying it is right).
It seems that the tax net is to catch all the little flies(like you and me) and big flies break right through it and pay nothing....legally.
Isn't it time that the government looked at all these tax evasion/avoidance schemes and closed the gaps? Maybe then, the finances of the country would be in a healthier state.

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Foreign students owe millions of pounds in unpaid student loans – yet only nine have been taken to court to recover the debts.

'Nearly half of all students from European Union countries, who can take advantage of subsidised student loans like British students, are failing to meet their repayments.'

Thousands of EU students owe £20 million in unpaid loans but just nine have been taken to court - Telegraph




You'd think any half-decent politican would be shouting about this outrageous situation.

As long as he wasn't a europhile internationalist M.P.

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If he were still alive I do believe dear old Kenneth Williams would be quipping "What do you expect after all they are all a load of "Barclays Bankers"!;):eek::D

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I have a theory that Barclays bankers are conspiring with others against the national interest - but few of you would believe me ;):rolleyes:

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Margaret I'll tell you a tale, A mate of mine had a pub and he went bust, the Rev and costumes were chasing him for £6k, he had an interview at the tax office and was called in and asked to take a seat. just as the interview was starting the phone rang, the TI said well take his rolls, take the plane as well, puts the phone down, my mate says and I thought I had problems, the guy says yes Mr Smith you are what we call a mere pain in the arse, I kid you not, that is true

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MargaretR, I have a theory that Barclays bankers are conspiring to get as rich as as possible as quickly as possible and to hell with what damage it does to the rest of us and the country.

So we agree! That's two of us to start with.

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No Margaret I don't believe you because its true, they ARE conspiring agains the national interest, its not a theory:rolleyes:

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Precicely! and until emails were leaked it was a theory.

Many theories evolve into tomorrows facts, so they should not be ridiculed and derided. They should be investigated.

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Margaret your still banging on about JFK, Dianna and the flaming moon landingsand they've all been done to death over years and years and years

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And you'd think any half-decent government would be doing something about it.;)

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Ah I see.. it's all yer bleedin labours fault.. can't say I noticed any changes made in the banking system that allowed illegal fixing of interest rates :confused:..Am I in some sort of different time zone or do we have a not so new government?.. and what are they going to do about it?

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Erm...to answer your question...Nothing!

Which is kinda the point of the whole thread... once anyone gets a little bit of power, regardless of party, they get a god complex, and totally ignore the electorate

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You would.

Just as I hope our own represenative in that government would be.

But alas, no.

Graham Jones.

Internationalist europhile M.P.

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Perhaps if you take off your blinkers for a minute, and look where Mickey Mouse's hands are pointing, you'll find out.

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I don't think so.. any local MP in opposition has very little power and it's fair to say Graham Jones has little support on Accy Web whatever the in's n out's are. but it sometimes seems a good distraction to this governments actions.

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But you don't have a representive in this government :)

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Calm down now.. if you are in a dark room just feel around for your pills..you'll feel better in the morning.:)

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Government - the organization, machinery, or agency through which a political unit exercises authority and performs functions and which is usually classified according to the distribution of power within it.


Perhaps you should be lobbying your own Liberal Democrat M.P., Simon Hughes, a politician from a party which forms this coalition, which has the ruling majority in parliament, about this outrageous abuse of British tax payers' money.

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And?.. your local MP has very little effect on the machinery of this government so he can shout, grovel, moan scream and cry about anything and it would make little difference.

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Oh dear.

The sun really is over the yardarm, isn't it?

You might have a hilariously theatrical christian name, but sadly not any talent apparently, for the comedic stage.

Don't give up your day job.

Every town needs a pish-soaked alkie.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...FYx2q3k9tuNfkw

I'm off now, before you start bandying the 'c-word' about again, and get yourself banned...once more.

Remember.

A moment on the lips, a lifetime sat in your own urine.

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Our own M.P. does waste his time doing all those things.

Bleating about scrap metal, Google, and now asking for a discount, for paying in cash.