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Less	23-11-2011 10:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 950975)

Question fer accywebbers? Has anyone seen any of "All these Polls" that substansiate what is being claimed? cos i would love to.

They are available to all, it's just a shame that 95% of the Hyndburn residents could not be bothered to go to kashmir to fill in the forms that are freely available in H.B.C.'s new justice for the borough's minority office* that they have opened there.

*Please note, this office has been opened with a grant from the National Lottery due to which certain restrictions on admittance have to be applied i.e. You can't come in paleface!

garinda

23-11-2011 10:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 950980)

I have to say that statement reminds me very much of "Custers Last Stand":rolleyes:

Reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Acrylic-bob

23-11-2011 10:58

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Compare and contrast the use of English and the manner of expression in the email with Graham's previous posts on this website and I think you will find a considerable difference in style. I suspect that there are a great many concerned labour voters across the country who have recieved a version of this email, all signed by their respective MP.

MargaretR

23-11-2011 11:01

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:eek: they've brainwashed him:eek:

If you don't consider that credible, google 'MK Ultra' :D

garinda

23-11-2011 11:08

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950990)

Yes, they've dropped the term 'don't give a toss', from the official party press release.

Pity.

At least it had a modicum of honesty about it, even if the figures accompanying it were way off the mark

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 11:11

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950973)

Didn't Graham Jones, rather patronisingly I thought, post on here recently that you were the voice of reason?

Well what you're saying sounds perfectly reasonable to a great many people.

Yes he did say that.

I do think it is reasonable for the electorate(who have not had a say in this matter since the mid 70's despite the many and varied changes to the original idea.....which to refresh those foggy memories.....was as trading partners...no mention of deep politicaland financial integration i.e. Brussels makes all the rules and we pay to follow them) to have a say in things.
It is the democratic way to do things.

Ah Silly me......! the EU wants nothing to do with democratic process....see the results for those countries who were not keen to ratify the Lisbon Treaty....they were sent back to vote again until they got the right answer......that is, the one that the EU bureaucrats like.

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 11:15

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950981)

Is a manifesto like when leaders make promises, before an election?

Like both Blair, and Brown did, promising a referendum on the E.U.?

That's the one...but it seems like thy are allowed to choose which bits they follow.
They say, what they think you want them to say, before an election.
Once elected, they can do pretty much what they like...usually the stuff that makes them the most money.
Cynical??? You bet!

garinda

23-11-2011 11:18

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 950995)

I do think it is reasonable for the electorate(who have not had a say in this matter since the mid 70's

People have never been allowed a say, if they want this country to be a member of the European Union.

The last referendum, in 1975, asked about continued membership of the Common Market.

A totally different entity, to the monster state, we're ruled by today.

Acrylic-bob

23-11-2011 11:23

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It is known as the democratic deficit. And in common with other EU related deficits, it is growing.

The peoples of Europe are sleepwalking into the very situation the EU was supposedly set up to avoid.

So who will be the next to have a government imposed on them from Brussels? Greece and Italy now have a government of EU placemen. Belgium hasn't had a government for 532 days. The Irish government twitches to every tug on the EU's apron strings. Who's next? Spain? Portugal? Hungary?

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 11:27

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yes I did say that the entity we joined is not the one we have today.....that we joined a Trading Organisationor at least that is how it was sold to the electorate of the time.
Not this huge ungainly politico-financial frankestein being that is now trying to rule the world...and failing very badly through lack of coherent leadership.

All the politicians in the major parties have their fingers in their ears and are saying 'La-la-la-la-la' as loud as they can, to drown out the voice of the people.

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 11:28

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 951000)

Hmmm, A-B that is a question I posed quite some time back.....it is worrying, but I can see it happening.

mobertol

23-11-2011 11:30

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 951000)

Wherever it's possible for there to be a right turn....?:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 11:39

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951002)

Hmmm, A-B that is a question I posed quite some time back.....it is worrying, but I can see it happening.

I have looked for the post in this thread, but I think it might be in one of the other threads where the EU have been discussed...and there have been a few of those.

garinda

23-11-2011 13:02

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951004)

I have looked for the post in this thread, but I think it might be in one of the other threads where the EU have been discussed...and there have been a few of those.

Yes, I'd hazard a guess that worries over Europe, means the issue pops up in about 95% of the threads on here.

Odd, that.

Almost if folks round here do 'give a toss'.

:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 13:03

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I had noticed that it was a very 'current' topic.

Margaret Pilkington

23-11-2011 13:03

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95%...as low as that huh?

garinda

23-11-2011 13:20

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Graham Jones - MP for Hyndburn - WinkBall

'Reflect the values of the British people.'

'The country's in a different place, from where political parties were before.'

'In touch with the ordinary people.'

Blah, blah, blah.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

accyman

23-11-2011 15:14

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i wont deny i will be bitterly dissapointed if the clown gets elected again.

i was concerned hynburns new council would be dammaged by association to him but it turns out they are doing a pretty good job of making sure they dont get re elected again without any help from our local MP .:rolleyes:

Hopefully UKIP will put a candidate up at election time to if anything increase the chances of getting rid of this so called peoples representitive

what a clown,I have never wanted to see the back of a politition so much since thatcher

mobertol

23-11-2011 15:49

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First time I've ever heard Graham Jones speak on the Winkball link - needs to practice impromptu interviews and have a few well tried battle-horses to hand. I get the impression he's still trying to work out where he stands (geographically) within the party; across, vertical, horizontal - says them all without actually taking a position on anything.

Doesn't even specify one particular policy which he thinks is important for building a better Britain - "All of it" is a real fudged answer...

Sorry Mr. Jones for me it's a 4 out of 10. 4 for not really answering a question, which is essential if you're going to be a politician, but you need to sound more convincing and like you know what you're talking about...:rolleyes:

Eric	23-11-2011 16:38

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951020)

Once you take out the jargon and the bs, there aint much left is there;)

jaysay

23-11-2011 17:43

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950981)

Is a manifesto like when leaders make promises, before an election?

Like both Blair, and Brown did, promising a referendum on the E.U.?

Well ya they are usually about half an inch thick A5 and full to the gunnels with promises they never intend to keep when elected, and that's both sides and a wedge for the lib/dems too;)

jaysay

23-11-2011 17:45

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950990)

IOO% spot on Bob, a template letter issued by Labour research department to be edited to suit;)

jaysay

23-11-2011 17:50

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 951050)

Once you take out the jargon and the bs, there ain't much left is there;)

Reminded me of one of them spoof interviews for you've been frame or candid camera;)

accyman

23-11-2011 17:55

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i think it took tony blair at least 2 weeks to break almost every single prommise he made prior to the election

in not joking either

its amazing that with our lots record for truth,decencey and keeping to tehir word any country dare sign a treaty with the UK

Neil	24-11-2011 09:53

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 950964)

I have received another e-mail from Graham Jones regarding the EU.....

The UK’s membership of the EU has brought a great many benefits to UK citizens, most notably in the area of workers’ rights. The TUPE, the Working Time Directive, guarantees of fair pay, paid holidays and maternity and paternity leave are all guaranteed by European law. Indeed, the EU protects us as consumers as well as workers; the reduction in the cost of mobile phone calls to other European countries was the result of decisions made in Europe......

Yours sincerely
Graham Jones

TUPE is almost a waste of time because it is to easy to get around.

The working time directive is another joke because my contact of employment also opts me out of the working time directive - the only dit you cant opt out of is the night working part.

As for guarantees of fair pay I have a little story - A local ish firm to here had its own employed staff running some equipment in one part of its plant and a contract labour firm running the packaged part of the plant. The employed staff were on better term, conditions and pay than the contract staff. Due to the equal pay thing the contract staff were now supposed to be on the same as the employed staff. What actually happened was the employed staff had 30% slashed off their wages so they matched the contract staff.

Its ok saying they should all be paid the same but some companies just can not afford what these regulations impose so they have to either cut wages or cut staff and use cheaper contract labour. The only people than win is the contact labour companies not the employees or employer.

cashman

24-11-2011 10:00

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I also know a localish firm did a similar thing, couple of years ago around half the staff were dismissed, most, not all (fer obvious reasons) were re-employed via n employment agency, i'll leave yeh to guess the rest.:rolleyes: but what neil n i say is complete crap,cos G.J. says "Many Benefits":rolleyes:

garinda

24-11-2011 10:03

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Thought I'd share this exciting news.

Though I do realise 95% of you won't 'give a toss' about it.

:rolleyes:

'BRITAIN poured a colossal £18.5billion into EU coffers last year - the equivalent of more than £50m a day.

The staggering figures – £730 for every British household over the 12 months – were revealed yesterday in the Government’s annual accounts.
They show that the UK’s gross contributions to the European Union juggernaut of excess climbed by 5.7 per cent between 2009 and 2010.'

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/285635

'Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows that if the UK continues its current trend of net migration – the difference between those arriving and those leaving – the population will reach 70 million by 2027 and 80 million by 2056.'

UK to become most populous EU nation if immigration not curbed

http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/e...e-animated.gif

Margaret Pilkington

24-11-2011 10:10

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And in 2 years time the Roumanians will be eligible to migrate all over the EU.
They won't want to go to France, they won't want to go to Germany...they won't want to go to Spain...not even Portugal....and Ireland...oh, do give over. Where do you think they will want to head for. Why? The good old UK of course.....give 'em a house...give 'em benefits...make 'em welcome.

GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW !!!!

cashman

24-11-2011 10:15

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But why can yeh not accept,were in the E.U. fer our benefit, its just were to thick to appreciate that fact.;)

Margaret Pilkington

24-11-2011 10:19

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Cashy are you calling me thick? or are you jsut repeating what GJ said? :)
I thought he said I was a 'sensible' poster(or words to that effect)....so does sensible mean 'thick' then?
I am ever so confused.:D

garinda

24-11-2011 10:19

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951252)

Margaret, if you're not careful you could risk losing your Graham Jones given tag of being 'the voice of reason', and could well be given the label of a Gillian Duffy style 'bigoted woman'.

;)

Margaret Pilkington

24-11-2011 10:21

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If someone out there gives me and the rest of the country a chance to vote on the issue .......then they can call me what they like. Just as long as they don't call me late for my tea.

cashman

24-11-2011 10:22

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951257)

No,its just me view on how were perceived.

garinda

24-11-2011 10:27

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951259)

If someone out there gives me and the rest of the country a chance to vote on the issue .......then they can call me what they like. Just as long as they don't call me late for my tea.

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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 940211)

Margaret, you have always been a firm but fair poster and I respect your viewpoint.

Margaret, just comfort yourself with the fact you have Graham Jones's respect.

Even if that respect doesn't quite stretch to giving you the right to have a say in your own future, and the fact that Graham Jones will never allow you the opportunity to vote in an E.U. referendum.

Margaret Pilkington

24-11-2011 10:27

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Cashy, we don't get to be our age without having a bit of nous......and anyone who thinks differently needs their bumps feeling.

Margaret Pilkington

24-11-2011 10:30

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951264)

Margaret, just comfort yourself with the fact you have Graham Jones's resspect.

Even if that respect doesn't quite stretch to giving you the right to have a say in your own future, and Graham Jones will never allow you the right to vote in an E.U. referendum.

Well, G having the respect of Graham Jones is all well and good....in theory he repsects me...or says he does, but he can't do or he would have allowed me a say in the future of Britain.......not just me... but the 95% who don't give a toss. I'm sure they would have liked some consideration too.

Ah, but silly me(again)if we had had a say it might have blown the 95% theory right out of the water. Politicians don't like to lose face do they?

garinda

24-11-2011 10:40

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951267)

True.

Empty rhetoric, talk of respect, and democracy, means sweet Fanny Adams, if those words aren't backed up with actions.

Hit politicans where it hurts most, at the ballot box.

If you believe it an important enough an issue for the future of this country, and you think you deserve your opinions should be counted, don't not vote, use your protest vote more proactively, give your vote to UKIP.

If enough people do, it might just sink in just how disenfranchised ordinary folks feel right now.

cashman

24-11-2011 10:41

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 951267)

Perhaps the fair poster n respect bit only apply when yeh agree wi him? its a funny owd world.:rolleyes:

MargaretR

24-11-2011 10:44

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'shopping link added by skimwords' is what you see when your mouse hovers over the red text in Gary's post. Clicking it opens a page at Amazon uk.
Has Roy devised a new way of getting revenue from this forum, or is it just that I never noticed this before?

Neil	24-11-2011 11:14

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 951275)

Yes, he added it a while ago as another way to try and make the site pay for itself

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy

I've added some new advertisers to try to earn a bit more from the site. In certain places text will be made into links which will earn the site money. Also any ebay links will also be converted to affiliate links for the site. So be aware that people aren't suddenly spamming links in their posts :D

Barrie Yates

24-11-2011 11:24

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So GJ wants our support to retain Hyndburn as a seat in the H of C - yet he could not support the wishes of a large percentage of his constituents (certainly amongst the members of Accyweb), when he voted against allowing a referendum.
Whilst I strongly support the retention of the Hyndburn seat I do not feel that I can support GJ in any way whatsoever.

Benipete

24-11-2011 12:44

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951271)

Hit politicans where it hurts most, at the ballot box.

Came very close with that one Gari.:D:D

garinda

24-11-2011 12:57

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 951296)

Came very close with that one Gari.:D:D

Ballot box seemed most fitting.

Balls would have been a bit pointless.

Most politicans ain't got any.

;):D

jaysay

24-11-2011 18:18

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951298)

Ballot box seemed most fitting.

Balls would have been a bit pointless.

Most politicans ain't got any.

;):D

Think your right Rindi, the only politician I can remember who had balls was Margaret Thatcher:D

cashman

24-11-2011 18:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 951441)

Think your right Rindi, the only politician I can remember who had balls was Margaret Thatcher:D

Can't argue wi that,shame she had no brains.:rolleyes:

jaysay

24-11-2011 18:29

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 951444)

Can't argue wi that,shame she had no brains.:rolleyes:

Considering what we've had since, doesn't say much for their chances in the brain department does it ;)

garinda

24-11-2011 18:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 951448)

Considering what we've had since, doesn't say much for their chances in the brain department does it ;)

Odd, really.

Your dislike of Blair.

When your beloved herself admits he was her heir apparent.

:rolleyes::D

Acrylic-bob

03-12-2011 15:39

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Funny that, in the light of his support for Europe and all things European, as being essential to the health and good governance of our Island home, a trawl through our MP's blog...

Graham Jones MP

reveals only one post regarding that fount of all that is good and wholesome (20 Oct 2011). Not exactly a ringing endorsment, wouldn't you say?

garinda

03-12-2011 15:45

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'The leader paints the anti EU brigade as extremists. In the Tory case probably true.'

Graham Jones MP: Editorial tonight's London Evening Standard critical of Europhobes on EU referendum

Which leader?

Is it that chum 'EdM', he sometimes posts about on here?

Acrylic-bob

03-12-2011 15:49

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Doesn't it all sound a bit, well, North Korean?

garinda

03-12-2011 16:01

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GrahamJones_MP Graham Jones MP

#eudebate #eu 83 Tory rebels. Whips said over 75 was a disaster. = Tory disaster.
24 Oct

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1...age_normal.jpg
GrahamJones_MP Graham Jones MP

If #EU is so fundamentally wrong, how come the Germans or the French or 24 other nations are not picking up on these follies?
24 Oct

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1...age_normal.jpg GrahamJones_MP Graham Jones MP

#davidnuttallmp Terrible opening speech arguing for a EU exit. No evidence, plenty of irrelevant metaphors and overblown rhetoric.
24 Oct

Is overblown rhetoric similar to empty rhetoric, Graham?

For example 'someone' publicly stating they had 'no problem with a referendum on E.U. membership, as it would settle the issue democratically', two weeks before voting to deny people that democratic right?

That sort of empty rhetoric?

:rolleyes:

cashman

03-12-2011 16:05

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Well he has to say something.:rolleyes: unlike the local labour party.

garinda

03-12-2011 16:06

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 953763)

Doesn't it all sound a bit, well, North Korean?

That's because you're an extremist, apparently.

;)

I don't know what label's given to a former Labour supporter, such as myself.

:rolleyes:

cashman

03-12-2011 16:08

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 953769)

That's because you're an extremist, apparently.

;)

I don't know what label's given to a former Labour supporter, such as myself.

:rolleyes:

Probably "Misguided"?:rolleyes:

garinda

03-12-2011 16:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 953770)

Probably "Misguided"?:rolleyes:

Well he'll certainly 'miss' me releasing things to the public, he was too afraid to be seen doing.

Hell will freeze over before that happens again.

;)

jaysay

04-12-2011 09:49

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 953769)

That's because you're an extremist, apparently.

;)

I don't know what label's given to a former Labour supporter, such as myself.

:rolleyes:

A red on top of the bed maybe:rolleyes::D

Acrylic-bob

04-12-2011 10:42

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 953769)

That's because you're an extremist, apparently.

;)

Oooh! I like that. I've never been an extremist before. Do I get to wear dark glasses and walk around with my shoulders hunched up and drop strange looking envelopes in the waste bins in parks. Wot fun!

jaysay

04-12-2011 10:47

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 953918)

That's restricted to MPs unfortunately Bob:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington

04-12-2011 10:54

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We already know what my label is.

I hate labels....unless they are on Jam.....tinned peas, baked beans.......you get the idea?

Being human, (and a woman) I am ever changing....depending on the moment, the mood and the hormones(or lack of them).

jaysay

04-12-2011 10:59

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 953925)

Ya somebody on here even called you a Tory Margaret:D

Acrylic-bob

04-12-2011 11:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 953922)

That's restricted to MPs unfortunately Bob:rolleyes:

That's right, go on, shatter my illusions. Here was I hoping at last that I had a chance of becoming seriously cool only to have my dreams of street cred cruelly whipped away from under my nose before I even got chance to get my white polo neck sweater out of the drawer. You can be so cruel, jay. I often wonder what I see in you.

jaysay

04-12-2011 17:52

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 953933)

The thing is Bob I'm a wise old owl and I've been round the block a time or two http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020661.gif

Less	04-12-2011 18:13

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 954008)

The thing is Bob I'm a wise old owl and I've been round the block a time or two http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020661.gif

I can agree with all of the above except for wise, although...

I am a little confused as to your reference to an owl, what on earth has any owl in their long period on this planet done that is so wrong that has them associated with a lapsed Tory?

Margaret Pilkington

04-12-2011 18:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 953929)

Ya somebody on here even called you a Tory Margaret:D

Yes, but what do they know about me? Really know, I mean.....absolutely diddly squat.
They just like to bandy names about...it makes them feel good.
I shouldn't spoil their fun should I ?

jaysay

04-12-2011 18:21

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 954017)

Thats why I'm wise Less;)

jaysay

04-12-2011 18:23

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 954020)

Yes, but what do they know about me? Really know, I mean.....absolutely diddly squat.
They just like to bandy names about...it makes them feel good.
I shouldn't spoil their fun should I ?

Think your right Margaret, its probably the only thing that brightens up the tedious monotonous little lives;)

garinda

18-12-2011 16:53

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 953767)

#eudebate #eu 83 Tory rebels. Whips said over 75 was a disaster. = Tory disaster.
24 Oct

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1...age_normal.jpg
GrahamJones_MP Graham Jones MP

Looks like you're wrong.

Again.

AFP: Tories get poll boost after EU spat

What percentage was your guesstimate, about the numbers who don't 'give a toss about Europe'?

:rolleyes:

jaysay

18-12-2011 17:46

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956758)

Looks like you're wrong.

Again.

AFP: Tories get poll boost after EU spat

What percentage was your guesstimate, about the numbers who don't 'give a toss about Europe'?

:rolleyes:

Beginning to think the MP tag is taking on an all new meaning, Muppet:rolleyes:

garinda

18-12-2011 18:05

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As well as the Conservatives increasing their support, and Labour losing their's, the poll shows that 59% of the electorate demand an E.U. referendum, against 25% who don't.

Couldn't find any reference to the apparent 95%, who 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

We're still waiting for Mr. Jones to reference where he plucked those figures from.

Guess we're in for a long wait.

Luckily we're patient, and can bide our time.

accyman

18-12-2011 18:10

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 956781)

Beginning to think the MP tag is taking on an all new meaning, Muppet:rolleyes:

Heres a few more for M.P

Megga Pratt

Millibands Puppet

Massive Pi**taker

Man'o People hahaha

Margaret Pilkington

18-12-2011 18:58

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Be careful what you say.......I'm an MP :D

Margaret Pilkington

18-12-2011 19:00

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956793)

And, like elephants......we never forget

Mancie

18-12-2011 19:49

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 956827)

And, like elephants......we never forget

But you don't vote..so although your opinion is always welcome it means nothing when shove comes to push.:confused:

Margaret Pilkington

18-12-2011 20:00

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

I didn't vote in the last election...I spoilt my paper....I did go to the polling booth.
You know the reasons why I didn't vote. I was totally disillusioned with all the political parties....and still am...despite you thinking that I am a tory supporter.

And while I didn't vote last time, it does not mean that I won't vote next time.........I was hoping that Graham Jones would be more aware of the needs of the town....I am told that he was a good councillor for his ward......had that promise been fulfilled, I may have voted for him next time there was an opportunity......not now!

garinda

18-12-2011 20:52

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 956835)

But you don't vote..so although your opinion is always welcome it means nothing when shove comes to push.:confused:

Who do you vote for in your little bit of south London, which has had Lib Dem Simon Hughes as the sitting M.P., since 1983?

Does your vote make a difference?

:rolleyes:

Mancie

18-12-2011 21:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956843)

Who do you vote for in your little bit of south London, which has had Lib Dem Simon Hughes as the sitting M.P., since 1983?

Does your vote make a difference?

:rolleyes:

No it does not make a difference...but does that mean I should not be bothered to vote?..it's not beyond reality that some time in the future the population of this country will not even have the option of a vote...if that happens all the talk of making a difference won't really matter ..will it?

cashman

18-12-2011 21:23

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 956848)

No yeh should vote if thats yer preference, but making a difference went out the window wi New Labour,thats fact,some just aint noticed yet.;)

garinda

18-12-2011 21:25

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 956848)

No it does not make a difference

Why?

Do you always vote Conservative?

:rolleyes::D

Margaret Pilkington

18-12-2011 21:26

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

In reality, it doesn't seem that voting does make a difference.....in the main on issues that really concern the electorate, the parties do not listen....they do what they think is best for us.

If voting truly did make a difference, then they would stop us from doing it.
The powers that be let us vote so that we think we can influence things.....to give an illusion of demovracy.
If there was democracy, we would have had a chance to vote on the fiasco that is the EU. The parties don't want us to vote, because they know what the outcome would most likely be.

garinda

18-12-2011 21:27

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 956849)

No yeh should vote if thats yer preference, but making a difference went out the window wi New Labour,thats fact,some just aint noticed yet.;)

Agreed.

New Pinky, or Perky Lite.

There both swine, with their noses in the same trough.

Margaret Pilkington

18-12-2011 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 956849)

No yeh should vote if thats yer preference, but making a difference went out the window wi New Labour,thats fact,some just aint noticed yet.;)

Hooray Cashy, someone else who has seen the light about the tricks that new Labour pulled.

cashman

18-12-2011 21:30

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 956854)

Hooray Cashy, someone else who has seen the light about the tricks that new Labour pulled.

Yeh would have to be totally blinkered or stupid not to have noticed.........but takes all sorts.:D

Mancie

18-12-2011 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 956849)

No yeh should vote if thats yer preference, but making a difference went out the window wi New Labour,thats fact,some just aint noticed yet.;)

The minimum wage made no difference?..tax credits make no difference?

cashman

18-12-2011 21:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 956857)

The minimum wage made no difference?..tax credits make no difference?

The concept was ok,what actually happened since not really.:rolleyes:

Mancie

18-12-2011 21:36

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

What happend since?

cashman

18-12-2011 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 956859)

What happend since?

Take yer blinkers off fer once.

Mancie

18-12-2011 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 956860)

Take yer blinkers off fer once.

No blinkers.. even if I had them I could see what's going on ..they do say that the older you get the more right wing you get.:)

garinda

18-12-2011 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 956862)

No blinkers.. even if I had them I could see what's going on ..they do say that the older you get the more right wing you get.:)

Who said that?

Marx?

Engles?

Stalin?

George Bernard Shaw?

Not Michael Foot?

Less	19-12-2011 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956867)

Who said that?

Marx?

Engles?

Stalin?

George Bernard Shaw?

Not Michael Foot?

The clue was in the top left corner of the post where it said Mancie, he only said,

"they do say"

To fit in with the trendy new speak of his political advisor groove.

jaysay

19-12-2011 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 956892)

The clue was in the top left corner of the post where it said Mancie, he only said,

"they do say"

To fit in with the trendy new speak of his political advisor groove.

Groove political advisor, now that is a frightening thought:eek::eek::eek:

accyman

19-12-2011 16:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 956854)

Hooray Cashy, someone else who has seen the light about the tricks that new Labour pulled.

within 2 weeks of tont blair winning his first election it was clear labour were no longer the party for teh people simply because within those 2 weeks he broke 3 prommises and by half way through the first year he had broke every single one of his electoral prommises.

At least when cameron said tough times were ahead he wasnt joking he just forgot to say only for the poorer folk

garinda

26-12-2011 23:43

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'The recent EU debate was somewhat a damp squib. All of the euro sceptic’s failed to address my concerns.'
Graham Jones MP: Sophology of EU membership.

Oh the irony.

With Mr. Jones failing to address the questions raised on here.

Mainly the reason why he publicly stated he had no problem with an E.U. referendum, mentioning it would settle the issue 'democratically', two short weeks before voting that his constituents be denied that democratic right.

'Instead the debate focused on Daily Mail led issues. Trivial issues that aroused the attention of 81 rightwing Tory backbenchers who failed to present a coherent argument focusing their attack exclusively against EU workers rights.'
Graham Jones MP: Sophology of EU membership.

Bless him.

Scratching away in his little Secret Squirrel diary, whoops, blog.

Away with the fairies, in the make believe land, where all those who'd like a referendum are right-wing Little Englanders.

No nasty questions to answer.

No scathing comments.

Must be such a comfort.

Similarly comforting, as knowing no matter how much support you've lost up here, you'll always have a friend in that bloke EdM.

Thanks for keeping the E.U. referendum newsworthy.

It won't be going away.

Though thanks for your help...this time.

cmonstanley

27-12-2011 00:45

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

just of interest why would we want to revoke the rights of workers:confused: there is only always one loser when so called right wing tories start to play their cards and that is the common worker who try and abide by the law,pay there taxes and keep the country afloat.why do they want to erode peoples rights,

garinda

27-12-2011 06:12

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 958376)

The rights of every Briton should be the concern of those democratically elected to represent us in Westminster.

Not by some faceless bureaucrat...in Brussels.

Some would argue that unions, created to protect workers' rights, had much more clout, prior to the U.K. joining the then Common Market, in 1973.

Acrylic-bob

27-12-2011 07:10

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Can I just make an intervention here regarding workers rights.

You can have all the rights and guarantees you like and you can blather on and on about protecting them till you are blue in the gob and the cows come home. But if there are no jobs because employers see employees and their rights as an expense rather than an asset, what use are they?

No reasonable, rational person would deny that the principle of a fair days pay for a fair days work is part of the social contract. The days of rapacious mill owners compelling wokers to slave for all the hours that God sent and paying them coppers for the privilege are long gone.

Get over it and move on! Please. Before we all die of boredom.

If you make it so complex and expensive to employ people then businesses will, of course, not employ people. They will move to jurisdictions where business can be conducted at a profit, which is the point of engaging in business, rather than as a branch of Social Services.

From the excesses of the Victorian Mill owners the pendulum of workers rights has swung to the opposite extreme today. What we need to find is some mutually acceptable middle ground.

If nobody minds, I won't be holding my breath while I wait.

jaysay

27-12-2011 09:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 958382)

First class post Bob:mosher:

Margaret Pilkington

27-12-2011 09:19

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

I second that John.

cmonstanley

27-12-2011 12:04

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

for example the tories want id of the tupe and nmw you are living in a dream world of dinasuar politics. what is wrong with having workers rights:confused::confused:

Boeing Guy

27-12-2011 12:13

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

What exactly is

Quote:

tories want id of the tupe and nmw you are living in a dream world of dinasuar politics.

Anyone?

Boeing Guy

27-12-2011 12:18

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

Ah got it, rid of the TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations2006) and National Minimum Wage.
Anything to back it up?

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