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As A-B so succinctly put it, if there are no jobs for the workers because of the strangling of employers with EU red tape, then what use are workers rights if the jobs have gone overseas to countries who are not hindered by EU regulations?
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I don't think Labour Party Policy or Socialist Ideology ever had an answer for that one, Margaret.
I think the closest they ever got were the old Soviet era Five Year Plans, You know, where there were record harvests before they were even planted and tractor production was going through the roof while the economy was in tatters and the people were starving. |
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seen as most jobs are either part time or temporary agencey jobs these days pretty much most of the workforce work under different rules anyway and dont exactly have workers rights.
the only workers right i can think of off the top of my head is you have the right to put up with your rubbish boss or he will employ an immigrant at half the cost ;) |
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He comes on when he wants a right any member has, then he ignores what has been said. Perhaps more like a typical politician of any party than a, political coward |
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'Firuta Vasile, a Romanian immigrant and mother of four, smiles broadly as she holds out a copy of the Big Issue. And well she might, having just won a landmark court decision that entitles her to housing benefit for her £130,000 three-bedroom home on top of the £25,500-a-year state handouts she already gets.'
Firuta Vasile: The really Big Issue is bullying beggars who milk the welfare system | Mail Online 'Now she’s won — with legal aid, of course — the floodgates are open to other such cases.' '...many will be appalled at the court’s decision and the fact that single mothers from countries such as Romania can simply arrive here and help themselves to £25,500 benefits.' Many? I wonder just how many of us are appalled at this madness, resulting from our E.U. membership? Do we think it might be as high as 95%? On no, can't be. According to Graham Jones '95% of us don't give a toss about Europe'. |
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I am apalled at all these "benefit wangling" stories -there is something fundamentally wrong when people can enter a country, where they have never contributed to the economy, and settle with large families and milk the system.
I know that EU laws are to blame but i have the feeling that they are only being exploited this way in the UK because of the "soft" system. In Italy you are entitled to no benefits unless you've worked for 2 years consecutively, and I've never heard of any cases similar to these stories. As far as I'm concerned free-migration within the EU should be based on having a job to move to or some guarantee of economic independence -makes sense and would cut out these scroungers having a field day. |
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Interestingly someone(BBC,newspaper?) contacted the Romanian Embassy for a comment-the comment was 'These are not Romanians- they are Roma, no comment'.
It's not all the EUs fault, its the way our own PC brigade in Government, Civil Service and Local Government apply these rules. As mobertol says, Italy doesn't allow it and the European Court doesn't jump on them. |
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That is exactly as it should be.
We should tell them...No house, No job, No means of support....NO ENTRY. |
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'Think more like an Internationalist'. You'll then be fully able to appreciate the many benefits Britain has, because of it's continued E.U. membership. You'll soon join Graham Jones's 95% of the population who 'don't give a toss about Europe'. Think like one of Bernard's Internationalists, and you'll probably find yourself down at Dover, welcoming your international brothers and sisters with open arms. You'll probably find yourself opening up your purse, and stuffing your money directly into their pockets. Thus cutting out the middle man. Remember. You're not a mug, you're an Internationalist. ;) |
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I see that Hyndburn's MP is once again making wise use of parliamentary time.
BBC News - Blackburn Rovers boss in fans 'smear campaign', claims MP Banging on about football club that isn't even in his constituency! Absolutely amazing! :mad: |
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so blackburn rovers manager is supposedly launching a smear campaign against the fans and this needs addressing in parliament ?
i hope graham was addressing the issue of fans demanding keane be fired in parliament it has just as much merit to be addressed there lol if teh rovers fans do manage to get keane out we could pick up some tips and get this clown out too hahaha |
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Come on Graham BUCK UP!
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Something for the Honourable Member for Hyndburn to ponder. Rather than the 95% of Hyndburn's electorate who couldn't give a toss about Europe (according to Jonesy), it would seem the voters of Thurrock have a different opinion.
BBC News - Thurrock poll 'backs EU referendum' Nearly 90% of those who voted in a public poll over Britain's membership of the EU have backed calls to stage a referendum, campaigners say. |
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G Jones wouldnt know the right thing if it slapped him in the face ;)
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i have ever thought my vote to be wasted until a few weeks after putting a tick next to his name. not a mistake i wil repeat |
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Perhaps Merkel, the office cat, is secretly a Eurosceptic, and accounts for the dissenting 5%. :rolleyes: |
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I notice that GJ and his Council acolytes seem to be staying well clear of coming on here. Prior to this time last year certain people were on here every single day, telling us what the Tory Council was doing wrong, now those self same people have hidden themselves away.
The Tories? what is the point of voting for them when they continually walk out of council meetings - I bet they still claim all their allowances though. Oh for a decent alternative. |
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Newbie on here, However thought i would let you know Graham Jones has just been arrested for intimidating proxy voters for conservative, Apparently they have been canvass people in the Barnfield area today and told proxy voters that what they were doing was illegal and that they would be arrested if they allowed proxy votes to go through, apparently the police have been called and Graham was arrested for intimidating voters and threatning them ..... not good for Labour shouldnt it be a fair vote, and one where your not bullying individuals
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Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong. As are 'interesting' Conservative stories. |
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Well seeing as its just happened to my relation i think its a valid point, However Telegraph. Observer and the sun have been notified, phone them or the police and ask the question,
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A full breakdown of allowance claims can be found here: Members' Allowances |
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I was once a proxy voter for my (now ex) partner who was a long distance lorry driver and was away from home weekdays.
He had to agree to the application made in writing long beforehand. Maybe the proxy voting system is being misused - quite possible. Now that postal voting is available, proxy voting isn't neccessary and should be abolished. |
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Ta fer that Ken, interesting to note the obnoxious one from ossy is claiming "TWICE" as much as the nearest one too him.:rolleyes: n 8 times as much as some.
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'There are some concerns in Barnfield, there are an unusually large number of proxy voters. No one from the Labour party can understand this. We do not know any of the proxy voters personally and no one with connection to the Labour party has been asked to cast a proxy vote. A lot of people in Woodnook would appear to be proxy voting and many do not seem to have ever voted previously and we are looking further into this. We have received a list of who is casting a proxy vote and it appears that a majority of proxy votes are being cast by Conservative councillors, Conservative candidates, wives, friends and neighbours of Conservative associates and people apparently connected in some way to the Conservative party or the Conservative candidates. Again, we are trying to get exact numbers on this. We have been informed by the Chief Executive of the Council that the Conservatives are making allegations about Barnfield but no one seems to be able to fully comprehend what is being stated. No one from the Labour party has been approached by the police and I have emailed the Chief Inspector expressing concerns, who responded immediately and has indicated that after the election he and his staff will follow up on the points raised.' On a nicer note, Graham is getting stopped on virtually every door and a lot of people have stated how nice it is to see their MP on their doorstep. |
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Then I find myself disgusted by the first post that follows it, Ken, you are worse than this poster, be ashamed, be very ashamed of your accusations. Quote:
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My best guess is we will never hear from Thefulltruth again.:rolleyes: suspect shes hit the road pmsl
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Let me humbly apologise for listening to you in the past, I will rectify such mistakes in the future. |
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newsflash we even let the jehovas have a few words were just nice like that |
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How you managed to take that as a slur on yourself I don't know. |
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it may have read better if you had said "Hmmm, I see that the Conservitive trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong." i doubt accyweb as a site asks either party to join up with a fake username and cast slurs |
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Anyone that claims to tell the full truth is like a loyal Labour member on here, not likely to be heard very often. If AccyWeb has gone down as much in your opinion as the Labour Councillors that used to post have in ours, then I can understand your statement, perhaps we have outgrown you? |
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From what I have heard Graham Jones hasn't been arrested as the original poster of this information said, but was questioned by the police last night, with further inquires to be made, mid you its been a little different at this election, we haven't had a daily rundown of political diatribe, which can only be good for Accyweb
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Moss is notoriously slow growing (between 1-5 mm recorded growth annually);):D |
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Also he told us that he had had his internet hacked into and has been deliberately offline for two weeks...unless you doubt the veracity of that statement.
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Had he left it to the members, I'm sure one of us would have asked for proof of the post that caused him to attack us, rather than the poster. Not to worry I'm sure he'll be back when he needs us. |
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Read my post again, climb down off the moral high ground and rein in the indignation a few degrees. |
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Why should I take exception to it? I took exception because although I didn't like the post that came before it, I couldn't understand your need to place the site in the same post. Yes, anyone can sign up at any time and if AccringtonWeb has a 'trait', it is that the members do not blindly accept a post without some proof to back it up. You didn't give us the chance to put the post in it's rightful place, you associated it with AccyWeb. Very poor advice, 'climb down off the moral high ground and rein in the indignation a few degrees'. It's almost as cheap a shot against me, as the post discussed was against the site. |
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in all fairness to ken he said his internet accounts had been hacked which i assume to be his email,facebook etc and made a personal choice to not access teh internet i again assume until teh issue was sorted.I doubt he meant a hacker totally disabled his access to teh internet for weeks becase that would be ludricous and easily sorted out much faster
as for the upset over the attack on accyweb it did read to myself that it was a dig at accyweb and maybe could have been worded better as i said earlier. both parties have used teh beneifits of this site to spout their speel the only difference is some put heir name to it and some dont |
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Good luck to you and your associates in your efforts.
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Lucky for some, that hypocrisy isn't an arrestable offence.
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"Police said they had also launched an investigation into claims constituency MP Graham Jones had intimidated voters." Police investigate voting in Hyndburn (From Lancashire Telegraph) |
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I'd make a genuine plea to people posting on this thread.
Please don't say anything that is on the edge of defamatory or defamatory, and therefore libellous. Voter fraud is very serious as is libel law. The latter is expensive and repeating an untruth does not mean your exempt or any less liable - even if said in a newspaper. It is down to the defamed as to whom they seek to pursue damages from. In a serious matter such as this (or any matter anywhere), if it isn't a fact that you can defend in front of a barrister do not say it is sound advice. Just to point out why people should be careful. 1. This is clearly not a normal run of the mill issue, it has national implications. 2. There is no anonymity in libel including the net. 3. I have volunteered a statement about canvassing in Woodnook and the Police do not want one. 4. I believe there is only a 3rd party allegation. i.e. someone whom actually did not see the crime they allege. 5. I also believe there are no witnesses to such an alleged crime (because quite frankly it doesn't take Inspector Clueso to work out it is all bogus). Finally the LT. The Police neither confirmed or denied there was investigation into myself in their statement. We are looking very closely at libel law in this respect. The Accy Ob having looked at this and the wider case chose not to publish it because it was 'unethical' and there speaks an experienced editor not wishing to print something that may well be untrue. It's the right of every British citizen including Hyndburn Conservatives to hold to account others who make defamatory comments that later prove to be untrue. I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place. |
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I'm confused here:confused: If you don't like what voters are saying, threaten them with litigation:confused: Wonderful attitude to take door to door at election time.:rolleyes:
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From what I can gather the only person making any comment that may be construed as defamatory/libellous appears to be "TheFullTruth" as he/she is claiming these incidents happened to a relative of theirs. From out of nowhere they arrive, drop a bombshell then disappears back into the ether.
All other comments are highlighted as originating from other sources such as the local press & not the individual members who post. "warnings/advice" being uttered by Graham do seem to be a touch "intimidating" themselves & as such heighten peoples perspective of the earlier rumours. Politics is a dirty little game at the best of times in my opinion & you should heed your own "wise words" Graham. Those being highlighted below as a reminder are your very own. I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place. |
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if someone is worried about their integrity perhaps someone should have kept their word on the EU referendum and voted how he said he would. seen this thread is about if you did the right thing or not over the EU referendum vote and not you been a victim of slander or whatever i thought i would drag this thread back on track |
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Does lying to the public in general also come into the same category?
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Well at least he took the time to PM the threat of libel, which is more than he did on the vote on the European Union
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The legal sort I can't afford, they continue to screw you from the moment you give them your name, until you die and their performance is never as satisfying. :o |
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For honesty and value for money, I'll take a whore before a politician anytime. If a working girl tells you it's going to cost a buck and a half ... that's what it costs. And Cheri ... I don't be thinking so ... she has a face that would stop a whole bunch of clocks ... Big Ben even:eek: Here's an example: our tories told us in the last election campaign, that our new F-35 fighters would cost $10 billion. After the election, the Auditor General released documents showing that the cost is $15 billion ... a difference of $5 billion:eek: Now that's a hunk of change for the taxpayer to fork over. I think that politcians, when they go door to door, should hand out condoms ... if they are going to screw you anyway, you might as well be safe. No balloon, no party, eh:D |
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they probably got the extra £5 billion from weighing in the navy's ships.Its ok changing back to teh plan of having jump jet type planes but what are they supposed to jump from?
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EU naval force carries out strikes on Somali pirates - World Politics - World - The Independent |
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maybe cameron is taking tips from canada on how to build a navy ?
http://www.reallyghey.com/wp-content...nadas_Navy.jpg |
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I think the answer to this question remains the same.
A big, fat NO! |
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(Even though he uses this thread, he who shall not be named hasn't answered your original question has he?). |
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When another local councillor claimed what you'd posted on here was lies. Has that instance now been settled? |
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Originally Posted by Ken Moss http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif When has anyone been threatened with litigation? I mentioned a veiled threat, wish you could get, 'he who must not be named' to answer this thread as quick as you jumped on me. No wonder I think a great deal less of you as each day passes. Don't bother getting in touch with Lawyers, It isn't libel, it isn't slander, that is what I think, I take it even in your world I'm allowed to think? :mad: |
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Then he got voted off the council. Swings and roundabouts. |
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I wish I could get my head around what it is you're actually trying to say, any chance of a reply in plain English? |
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