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garinda 27-12-2011 12:33

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 958469)
for example the tories want id of the tupe and nmw you are living in a dream world of dinasuar politics. what is wrong with having workers rights:confused::confused:

This thread asks if members if they think Graham Jones did the right thing, in voting against people having the right to vote in a referendum on E.U. membership.

Please keep your anti-Tory gibberish to one of your many other threads.

Margaret Pilkington 27-12-2011 12:54

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As A-B so succinctly put it, if there are no jobs for the workers because of the strangling of employers with EU red tape, then what use are workers rights if the jobs have gone overseas to countries who are not hindered by EU regulations?
C'mon clever clogs get your brain round that one.

Acrylic-bob 27-12-2011 13:25

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I don't think Labour Party Policy or Socialist Ideology ever had an answer for that one, Margaret.

I think the closest they ever got were the old Soviet era Five Year Plans, You know, where there were record harvests before they were even planted and tractor production was going through the roof while the economy was in tatters and the people were starving.

accyman 27-12-2011 14:14

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seen as most jobs are either part time or temporary agencey jobs these days pretty much most of the workforce work under different rules anyway and dont exactly have workers rights.

the only workers right i can think of off the top of my head is you have the right to put up with your rubbish boss or he will employ an immigrant at half the cost ;)

jaysay 27-12-2011 17:33

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 958470)
What exactly is

Anyone?

Exactly my thoughts too BG, if he was trying to make a point he missed the target by 25 feet:rolleyes:

jaysay 27-12-2011 17:36

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 958479)
As A-B so succinctly put it, if there are no jobs for the workers because of the strangling of employers with EU red tape, then what use are workers rights if the jobs have gone overseas to countries who are not hindered by EU regulations?
C'mon clever clogs get your brain round that one.

Brain, Margaret, your aiming a tad high there arn't you, even for C'Mon:rolleyes:

BERNADETTE 28-12-2011 00:45

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 958475)
This thread asks if members if they think Graham Jones did the right thing, in voting against people having the right to vote in a referendum on E.U. membership.

Please keep your anti-Tory gibberish to one of your many other threads.

And still even though Graham was on her tonight he chooses to ignore the thread:rolleyes: Theres a surprise for us all NOT:mad:

jaysay 28-12-2011 09:06

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 958596)
And still even though Graham was on her tonight he chooses to ignore the thread:rolleyes: Theres a surprise for us all NOT:mad:

Ya Bernie he waited well after midnight and made sure none of the people who give him a hard time were on line at the time, a political coward:mad:

Less 28-12-2011 09:59

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 958626)
Ya Bernie he waited well after midnight and made sure none of the people who give him a hard time were on line at the time, a political coward:mad:

How is anyone on here giving him a hard time?
He comes on when he wants a right any member has, then he ignores what has been said.
Perhaps more like a typical politician of any party than a,

political coward

jaysay 28-12-2011 10:34

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 958633)
How is anyone on here giving him a hard time?
He comes on when he wants a right any member has, then he ignores what has been said.
Perhaps more like a typical politician of any party than a,

political coward

Sorry Less have to disagree on this one, He is steering clear of answering questions that need answering, taking into consideration how he had USED this site for his OWN political ends in the past, but now is quite content to dodge the real issues, end of story

garinda 23-01-2012 12:37

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'Firuta Vasile, a Romanian immigrant and mother of four, smiles broadly as she holds out a copy of the Big Issue. And well she might, having just won a landmark court decision that entitles her to housing benefit for her £130,000 three-bedroom home on top of the £25,500-a-year state handouts she already gets.'

Firuta Vasile: The really Big Issue is bullying beggars who milk the welfare system | Mail Online

'Now she’s won — with legal aid, of course — the floodgates are open to other such cases.'

'...many will be appalled at the court’s decision and the fact that single mothers from countries such as Romania can simply arrive here and help themselves to £25,500 benefits.'

Many?

I wonder just how many of us are appalled at this madness, resulting from our E.U. membership?

Do we think it might be as high as 95%?

On no, can't be.

According to Graham Jones '95% of us don't give a toss about Europe'.

Gordon Booth 23-01-2012 15:29

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 964288)
'Firuta Vasile, a Romanian immigrant and mother of four, smiles broadly as she holds out a copy of the Big Issue. And well she might, having just won a landmark court decision that entitles her to housing benefit for her £130,000 three-bedroom home on top of the £25,500-a-year state handouts she already gets.'
other such cases.'

'...many will be appalled at the court’s decision and the fact that single

Let's be fair- she is self employed-just the sort of entapreneur this country needs!

mobertol 23-01-2012 15:48

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I am apalled at all these "benefit wangling" stories -there is something fundamentally wrong when people can enter a country, where they have never contributed to the economy, and settle with large families and milk the system.

I know that EU laws are to blame but i have the feeling that they are only being exploited this way in the UK because of the "soft" system. In Italy you are entitled to no benefits unless you've worked for 2 years consecutively, and I've never heard of any cases similar to these stories. As far as I'm concerned free-migration within the EU should be based on having a job to move to or some guarantee of economic independence -makes sense and would cut out these scroungers having a field day.

Gordon Booth 23-01-2012 16:38

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Interestingly someone(BBC,newspaper?) contacted the Romanian Embassy for a comment-the comment was 'These are not Romanians- they are Roma, no comment'.

It's not all the EUs fault, its the way our own PC brigade in Government, Civil Service and Local Government apply these rules.
As mobertol says, Italy doesn't allow it and the European Court doesn't jump on them.

Benipete 23-01-2012 19:32

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 964430)
Interestingly someone(BBC,newspaper?) contacted the Romanian Embassy for a comment-the comment was 'These are not Romanians- they are Roma, no comment'.

It's not all the EUs fault, its the way our own PC brigade in Government, Civil Service and Local Government apply these rules.
As mobertol says, Italy doesn't allow it and the European Court doesn't jump on them.

I'm pretty certain Spain doesn't allow It either in fact If you have nowhere to live and no means of supporting you're self you are out the door.

Margaret Pilkington 23-01-2012 21:47

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That is exactly as it should be.
We should tell them...No house, No job, No means of support....NO ENTRY.

garinda 23-01-2012 22:13

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 964631)
That is exactly as it should be.
We should tell them...No house, No job, No means of support....NO ENTRY.

You should take heed of what Bernard once posted.

'Think more like an Internationalist'.

You'll then be fully able to appreciate the many benefits Britain has, because of it's continued E.U. membership.

You'll soon join Graham Jones's 95% of the population who 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Think like one of Bernard's Internationalists, and you'll probably find yourself down at Dover, welcoming your international brothers and sisters with open arms.

You'll probably find yourself opening up your purse, and stuffing your money directly into their pockets.

Thus cutting out the middle man.

Remember.

You're not a mug, you're an Internationalist.

;)

Wynonie Harris 12-02-2012 15:03

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I see that Hyndburn's MP is once again making wise use of parliamentary time.

BBC News - Blackburn Rovers boss in fans 'smear campaign', claims MP

Banging on about football club that isn't even in his constituency!

Absolutely amazing! :mad:

lancsdave 12-02-2012 15:22

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 969889)
I see that Hyndburn's MP is once again making wise use of parliamentary time.

BBC News - Blackburn Rovers boss in fans 'smear campaign', claims MP

Banging on about football club that isn't even in his constituency!

Absolutely amazing! :mad:

Bit harsh, it affects at least a dozen people in Hyndburn :)

accyman 12-02-2012 18:10

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so blackburn rovers manager is supposedly launching a smear campaign against the fans and this needs addressing in parliament ?

i hope graham was addressing the issue of fans demanding keane be fired in parliament it has just as much merit to be addressed there lol

if teh rovers fans do manage to get keane out we could pick up some tips and get this clown out too hahaha

maxthecollie 12-02-2012 18:47

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Come on Graham BUCK UP!

garinda 12-02-2012 20:52

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No, he didn't.

Peoples Pledge - EU Referendum Campaign

jaysay 13-02-2012 08:34

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 969936)
Come on Graham BUCK UP!

What and lose his job in the Whips office, don't be silly

yerself 02-05-2012 10:07

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Something for the Honourable Member for Hyndburn to ponder. Rather than the 95% of Hyndburn's electorate who couldn't give a toss about Europe (according to Jonesy), it would seem the voters of Thurrock have a different opinion.

BBC News - Thurrock poll 'backs EU referendum'

Nearly 90% of those who voted in a public poll over Britain's membership of the EU have backed calls to stage a referendum, campaigners say.

jaysay 02-05-2012 10:10

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 988782)
Something for the Honourable Member for Hyndburn to ponder. Rather than the 95% of Hyndburn's electorate who couldn't give a toss about Europe (according to Jonesy), it would seem the voters of Thurrock have a different opinion.

BBC News - Thurrock poll 'backs EU referendum'

Nearly 90% of those who voted in a public poll over Britain's membership of the EU have backed calls to stage a referendum, campaigners say.

Makes a bit of a nonsense of his rant about 95% doesn't it yerself:rolleyes:

AccyChris 02-05-2012 10:21

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G Jones wouldnt know the right thing if it slapped him in the face ;)

AccyChris 02-05-2012 10:32

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Originally Posted by AccyChris (Post 988789)
G Jones wouldnt know the right thing if it slapped him in the face ;)

sorry i meant NO ;)

accyman 02-05-2012 13:23

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Originally Posted by AccyChris (Post 988791)
sorry i meant NO ;)

just remember to get it right when asked to vote for him ;)

i have ever thought my vote to be wasted until a few weeks after putting a tick next to his name.

not a mistake i wil repeat

AccyChris 02-05-2012 15:31

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 988827)
just remember to get it right when asked to vote for him ;)

i have ever thought my vote to be wasted until a few weeks after putting a tick next to his name.

not a mistake i wil repeat

when it comes to voting theres no misakes on my behalf ;)

garinda 02-05-2012 21:47

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 988782)
Something for the Honourable Member for Hyndburn to ponder. Rather than the 95% of Hyndburn's electorate who couldn't give a toss about Europe (according to Jonesy), it would seem the voters of Thurrock have a different opinion.

BBC News - Thurrock poll 'backs EU referendum'

Nearly 90% of those who voted in a public poll over Britain's membership of the EU have backed calls to stage a referendum, campaigners say.

Perhaps Graham's figure of '95% of local people not giving a toss about Europe', was arrived at after doing his own poll...in his constituency office.

Perhaps Merkel, the office cat, is secretly a Eurosceptic, and accounts for the dissenting 5%.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 03-05-2012 09:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 988991)
Perhaps Graham's figure of '95% of local people not giving a toss about Europe', was arrived at after doing his own poll...in his constituency office.

Perhaps Merkel, the office cat, is secretly a Eurosceptic, and accounts for the dissenting 5%.

:rolleyes:

There was me thinking the office cat was called Marx:rolleyes:

Barrie Yates 03-05-2012 11:30

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I notice that GJ and his Council acolytes seem to be staying well clear of coming on here. Prior to this time last year certain people were on here every single day, telling us what the Tory Council was doing wrong, now those self same people have hidden themselves away.
The Tories? what is the point of voting for them when they continually walk out of council meetings - I bet they still claim all their allowances though.
Oh for a decent alternative.

thefulltruth 03-05-2012 14:01

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Newbie on here, However thought i would let you know Graham Jones has just been arrested for intimidating proxy voters for conservative, Apparently they have been canvass people in the Barnfield area today and told proxy voters that what they were doing was illegal and that they would be arrested if they allowed proxy votes to go through, apparently the police have been called and Graham was arrested for intimidating voters and threatning them ..... not good for Labour shouldnt it be a fair vote, and one where your not bullying individuals

Ken Moss 03-05-2012 14:08

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Originally Posted by thefulltruth (Post 989096)
Newbie on here, However thought i would let you know Graham Jones has just been arrested for intimidating proxy voters for conservative, Apparently they have been canvass people in the Barnfield area today and told proxy voters that what they were doing was illegal and that they would be arrested if they allowed proxy votes to go through, apparently the police have been called and Graham was arrested for intimidating voters and threatning them ..... not good for Labour shouldnt it be a fair vote, and one where your not bullying individuals

The full truth?

Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.

thefulltruth 03-05-2012 14:11

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Well seeing as its just happened to my relation i think its a valid point, However Telegraph. Observer and the sun have been notified, phone them or the police and ask the question,

Ken Moss 03-05-2012 14:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 989061)
I notice that GJ and his Council acolytes seem to be staying well clear of coming on here. Prior to this time last year certain people were on here every single day, telling us what the Tory Council was doing wrong, now those self same people have hidden themselves away.
The Tories? what is the point of voting for them when they continually walk out of council meetings - I bet they still claim all their allowances though.
Oh for a decent alternative.

I've had my internet accounts hacked in the past week and have been deliberately offline but just couldn't resist today, just having a pie (ruins your appetite between canvasses) and reading the fascinating Conservative posts across Hyndburn.

A full breakdown of allowance claims can be found here:

Members' Allowances

MargaretR 03-05-2012 14:18

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I was once a proxy voter for my (now ex) partner who was a long distance lorry driver and was away from home weekdays.

He had to agree to the application made in writing long beforehand.

Maybe the proxy voting system is being misused - quite possible.

Now that postal voting is available, proxy voting isn't neccessary and should be abolished.

cashman 03-05-2012 14:18

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Ta fer that Ken, interesting to note the obnoxious one from ossy is claiming "TWICE" as much as the nearest one too him.:rolleyes: n 8 times as much as some.

Ken Moss 03-05-2012 14:47

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Originally Posted by thefulltruth (Post 989101)
Well seeing as its just happened to my relation i think its a valid point, However Telegraph. Observer and the sun have been notified, phone them or the police and ask the question,

So of all the things you thought to do today it was signing up to Accyweb and posting something negative regarding Labour in the hotly-contested seat of Barnfield? I have just spoken to Graham who is currently canvassing Oswaldtwistle and he has asked me to post this statement for him:

'There are some concerns in Barnfield, there are an unusually large number of proxy voters. No one from the Labour party can understand this. We do not know any of the proxy voters personally and no one with connection to the Labour party has been asked to cast a proxy vote. A lot of people in Woodnook would appear to be proxy voting and many do not seem to have ever voted previously and we are looking further into this. We have received a list of who is casting a proxy vote and it appears that a majority of proxy votes are being cast by Conservative councillors, Conservative candidates, wives, friends and neighbours of Conservative associates and people apparently connected in some way to the Conservative party or the Conservative candidates. Again, we are trying to get exact numbers on this. We have been informed by the Chief Executive of the Council that the Conservatives are making allegations about Barnfield but no one seems to be able to fully comprehend what is being stated. No one from the Labour party has been approached by the police and I have emailed the Chief Inspector expressing concerns, who responded immediately and has indicated that after the election he and his staff will follow up on the points raised.'

On a nicer note, Graham is getting stopped on virtually every door and a lot of people have stated how nice it is to see their MP on their doorstep.

Ken Moss 03-05-2012 14:49

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Originally Posted by thefulltruth (Post 989096)
Newbie on here, However thought i would let you know Graham Jones has just been arrested for intimidating proxy voters for conservative, Apparently they have been canvass people in the Barnfield area today and told proxy voters that what they were doing was illegal and that they would be arrested if they allowed proxy votes to go through, apparently the police have been called and Graham was arrested for intimidating voters and threatning them ..... not good for Labour shouldnt it be a fair vote, and one where your not bullying individuals

A copy of your post has now been saved for future reference.

Less 03-05-2012 14:51

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Originally Posted by thefulltruth (Post 989096)
Newbie on here, However thought i would let you know Graham Jones has just been arrested for intimidating proxy voters for conservative, Apparently they have been canvass people in the Barnfield area today and told proxy voters that what they were doing was illegal and that they would be arrested if they allowed proxy votes to go through, apparently the police have been called and Graham was arrested for intimidating voters and threatning them ..... not good for Labour shouldnt it be a fair vote, and one where your not bullying individuals

Well, I was about to condemn this post for it's lack of proof and suggest the poster gives us a link.

Then I find myself disgusted by the first post that follows it, Ken, you are worse than this poster, be ashamed, be very ashamed of your accusations.

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989098)
The full truth?

Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.


cashman 03-05-2012 14:55

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My best guess is we will never hear from Thefulltruth again.:rolleyes: suspect shes hit the road pmsl

Less 03-05-2012 15:09

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989111)
A copy of your post has now been saved for future reference.

I look forward to keeping a copy of your apology to the whole of AccyWeb, for future reference of course, tarring everyone with your own brand of bile, rather than argue with this newbie, I do hope what is claimed is wrong, but somehow, even if it is, I suspect you have done more harm with your attitude to the site and it's members, than if you had allowed us to answer without your outburst against the site.

Let me humbly apologise for listening to you in the past, I will rectify such mistakes in the future.

accyman 03-05-2012 16:27

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 989119)
I look forward to keeping a copy of your apology to the whole of AccyWeb, for future reference of course,

graham jones obviously hasnt authorised or passed on an appology yet hes probably too busy been welcomed on doorsteps in ossy even PB's hahahahaha :D

newsflash

we even let the jehovas have a few words were just nice like that

Ken Moss 03-05-2012 16:28

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989098)
Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.

I refer the honourable member Less to the 2010 General Election where half a dozen Conservative supporters and members turned up days before the vote and posted once or twice then disappeared forever.

How you managed to take that as a slur on yourself I don't know.

accyman 03-05-2012 16:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989098)
The full truth?

Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.


it may have read better if you had said

"Hmmm, I see that the Conservitive trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong."

i doubt accyweb as a site asks either party to join up with a fake username and cast slurs

Less 03-05-2012 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989098)
The full truth?

Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989138)
I refer the honourable member Less to the 2010 General Election where half a dozen Conservative supporters and members turned up days before the vote and posted once or twice then disappeared forever.

How you managed to take that as a slur on yourself I don't know.

I don't consider it a slur to myself but to the whole of AccringtonWeb and it's members that remember how you were never away from the site with your own version of the truth, yes, I actually believed you and the other Labour members that had been keen to use the freedom of these pages for your own campaigning.

You now seem to be the only one that now posts, and if what you post isn't something condescending as if suddenly you know all we know ****** all, it's rubbish like this:-
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989098)
The full truth?

Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.

As I have already stated if you hadn't been so quick to condemn the site, you may have seen the site condemning the guy that posted his unsubstantiated statement.

Anyone that claims to tell the full truth is like a loyal Labour member on here, not likely to be heard very often.

If AccyWeb has gone down as much in your opinion as the Labour Councillors that used to post have in ours, then I can understand your statement, perhaps we have outgrown you?

jaysay 03-05-2012 17:43

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From what I have heard Graham Jones hasn't been arrested as the original poster of this information said, but was questioned by the police last night, with further inquires to be made, mid you its been a little different at this election, we haven't had a daily rundown of political diatribe, which can only be good for Accyweb

maxthecollie 03-05-2012 17:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 989166)
From what I have heard Graham Jones hasn't been arrested as the original poster of this information said, but was questioned by the police last night, with further inquires to be made, mid you its been a little different at this election, we haven't had a daily rundown of political diatribe, which can only be good for Accyweb

That's what I heard John form our Tory Candidate.

mobertol 03-05-2012 17:51

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 989140)
perhaps we have outgrown you?

Very likely, Less.

Moss is notoriously slow growing (between 1-5 mm recorded growth annually);):D

jaysay 03-05-2012 18:06

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 989168)
That's what I heard John form our Tory Candidate.

Thats where I heard it too max

Barrie Yates 04-05-2012 10:37

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989138)
I refer the honourable member Less to the 2010 General Election where half a dozen Conservative supporters and members turned up days before the vote and posted once or twice then disappeared forever.

How you managed to take that as a slur on yourself I don't know.

It would be very interesting to compare the number of posts made by Ken before last year's election, to a similar period post that election. This comparison, if possible should include all the voiciferous politicians from all sides of the political spectrum:rolleyes:

MargaretR 04-05-2012 11:39

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 989398)
It would be very interesting to compare the number of posts made by Ken before last year's election, to a similar period post that election. This comparison, if possible should include all the voiciferous politicians from all sides of the political spectrum:rolleyes:

Please consider that after election he has more pressing demands on his time.

Margaret Pilkington 04-05-2012 11:49

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Also he told us that he had had his internet hacked into and has been deliberately offline for two weeks...unless you doubt the veracity of that statement.

Less 04-05-2012 12:04

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 989418)
Also he told us that he had had his internet hacked into and has been deliberately offline for two weeks...unless you doubt the veracity of that statement.

I don't doubt that his Internet was off, I just wonder why he chose to attack the site in the way he did.
Had he left it to the members, I'm sure one of us would have asked for proof of the post that caused him to attack us, rather than the poster.

Not to worry I'm sure he'll be back when he needs us.

Ken Moss 04-05-2012 12:25

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 989423)
I don't doubt that his Internet was off, I just wonder why he chose to attack the site in the way he did.
Had he left it to the members, I'm sure one of us would have asked for proof of the post that caused him to attack us, rather than the poster.

Not to worry I'm sure he'll be back when he needs us.

Less, without wanting to sound rude, how was my post an attack on Accyweb itself? Anyone can sign up at any time, it isn't any of the moderators' fault who joins or when plus I have stated several times in the past what a good forum it is.

Read my post again, climb down off the moral high ground and rein in the indignation a few degrees.

Less 04-05-2012 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989098)
The full truth?

Hmmm, I see that the Accyweb trait of throwing up new members at election time is still going strong.

As are 'interesting' Conservative stories.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 989428)
Less, without wanting to sound rude, how was my post an attack on Accyweb itself? Anyone can sign up at any time, it isn't any of the moderators' fault who joins or when plus I have stated several times in the past what a good forum it is.

Read my post again, climb down off the moral high ground and rein in the indignation a few degrees.

Read it placed it again for all to see,
Why should I take exception to it?
I took exception because although I didn't like the post that came before it, I couldn't understand your need to place the site in the same post.
Yes, anyone can sign up at any time and if AccringtonWeb has a 'trait', it is that the members do not blindly accept a post without some proof to back it up. You didn't give us the chance to put the post in it's rightful place, you associated it with AccyWeb.
Very poor advice, 'climb down off the moral high ground and rein in the indignation a few degrees'. It's almost as cheap a shot against me, as the post discussed was against the site.

accyman 04-05-2012 14:13

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
in all fairness to ken he said his internet accounts had been hacked which i assume to be his email,facebook etc and made a personal choice to not access teh internet i again assume until teh issue was sorted.I doubt he meant a hacker totally disabled his access to teh internet for weeks becase that would be ludricous and easily sorted out much faster

as for the upset over the attack on accyweb it did read to myself that it was a dig at accyweb and maybe could have been worded better as i said earlier.

both parties have used teh beneifits of this site to spout their speel the only difference is some put heir name to it and some dont

g jones 04-05-2012 17:44

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 989166)
From what I have heard Graham Jones hasn't been arrested as the original poster of this information said, but was questioned by the police last night, with further inquires to be made, mid you its been a little different at this election, we haven't had a daily rundown of political diatribe, which can only be good for Accyweb

Just to let you know none of this is true and neither is the post previous that refers to an 'alleged incident'. Interestingly I have not been arrested, questioned, approached or contacted by the Police on such a matter . I have seen facts and anecdotal evidence that have made me suspicious and I have forwarded what I have to the Police for them to decide. I have had a polite reply from the Chief Inspector.

jaysay 04-05-2012 17:47

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 989502)
Just to let you know none of this is true and neither is the post previous that refers to an 'alleged incident'. Interestingly I have not been arrested, questioned, approached or contacted by the Police on such a matter .

I have seen facts and anecdotal evidence that have made me suspicious and I have forwarded what I have to the Police for them to decide. I have had a polite reply from the Chief Inspector who also rang me personally.

Read my post, I actually said you hadn't been arrested, specsavers is very good

g jones 04-05-2012 19:06

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 989166)
..but was questioned by the police last night, with further inquires to be made,

Both these are wrong. I haven't been questioned and I have been told neither will I be.

jaysay 04-05-2012 19:15

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 989551)
Both these are wrong. I haven't been questioned and I have been told neither will I be.

We'll wait and see;)

g jones 04-05-2012 19:33

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Good luck to you and your associates in your efforts.

garinda 04-05-2012 19:56

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Lucky for some, that hypocrisy isn't an arrestable offence.

:rolleyes:

yerself 12-05-2012 11:13

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones
Interestingly I have not been arrested, questioned, approached or contacted by the Police on such a matter .

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay
From what I have heard Graham Jones hasn't been arrested as the original poster of this information said, but was questioned by the police last night, with further inquires to be made

Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones
Both these are wrong. I haven't been questioned and I have been told neither will I be.

From the 'Telegraph' website today:

"Police said they had also launched an investigation into claims constituency MP Graham Jones had intimidated voters."

Police investigate voting in Hyndburn (From Lancashire Telegraph)

jaysay 12-05-2012 13:35

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 991253)
From the 'Telegraph' website today:

"Police said they had also launched an investigation into claims constituency MP Graham Jones had intimidated voters."

Police investigate voting in Hyndburn (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Thanks for that yerself I'd missed that

g jones 12-05-2012 20:28

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
I'd make a genuine plea to people posting on this thread.

Please don't say anything that is on the edge of defamatory or defamatory, and therefore libellous. Voter fraud is very serious as is libel law. The latter is expensive and repeating an untruth does not mean your exempt or any less liable - even if said in a newspaper. It is down to the defamed as to whom they seek to pursue damages from.

In a serious matter such as this (or any matter anywhere), if it isn't a fact that you can defend in front of a barrister do not say it is sound advice.

Just to point out why people should be careful. 1. This is clearly not a normal run of the mill issue, it has national implications. 2. There is no anonymity in libel including the net. 3. I have volunteered a statement about canvassing in Woodnook and the Police do not want one. 4. I believe there is only a 3rd party allegation. i.e. someone whom actually did not see the crime they allege. 5. I also believe there are no witnesses to such an alleged crime (because quite frankly it doesn't take Inspector Clueso to work out it is all bogus).

Finally the LT. The Police neither confirmed or denied there was investigation into myself in their statement. We are looking very closely at libel law in this respect. The Accy Ob having looked at this and the wider case chose not to publish it because it was 'unethical' and there speaks an experienced editor not wishing to print something that may well be untrue.

It's the right of every British citizen including Hyndburn Conservatives to hold to account others who make defamatory comments that later prove to be untrue.

I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place.

Eric 12-05-2012 21:24

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
I'm confused here:confused: If you don't like what voters are saying, threaten them with litigation:confused: Wonderful attitude to take door to door at election time.:rolleyes:

g jones 12-05-2012 21:33

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 991326)
I'm confused here:confused: If you don't like what voters are saying, threaten them with litigation:confused: Wonderful attitude to take door to door at election time.:rolleyes:

It is neither legal nor ethical to say things that are untrue that damage the integrity of someone else. The law applies to everyone equally and fairly.

Eric 12-05-2012 21:50

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 991328)
It is neither legal nor ethical to say things that are untrue that damage the integrity of someone else. The law applies to everyone equally and fairly.

Unless it's question period, eh.:rolleyes: If my local NDP candidate made statements such as these, the Greens would be getting at least one more vote ... probably lots more. I have no doubt that folks over there are aware of the law ... but this is politics, not the law. If allegations are false, all well and good. But to threaten ... and however veiled it is, it's a threat ... give it a break.

DaveinGermany 12-05-2012 22:24

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From what I can gather the only person making any comment that may be construed as defamatory/libellous appears to be "TheFullTruth" as he/she is claiming these incidents happened to a relative of theirs. From out of nowhere they arrive, drop a bombshell then disappears back into the ether.

All other comments are highlighted as originating from other sources such as the local press & not the individual members who post. "warnings/advice" being uttered by Graham do seem to be a touch "intimidating" themselves & as such heighten peoples perspective of the earlier rumours.

Politics is a dirty little game at the best of times in my opinion & you should heed your own "wise words" Graham. Those being highlighted below as a reminder are your very own.

I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place.

accyman 12-05-2012 22:46

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 991328)
It is neither legal nor ethical to say things that are untrue that damage the integrity of someone else. The law applies to everyone equally and fairly.


if someone is worried about their integrity perhaps someone should have kept their word on the EU referendum and voted how he said he would.

seen this thread is about if you did the right thing or not over the EU referendum vote and not you been a victim of slander or whatever i thought i would drag this thread back on track

Eric 12-05-2012 23:56

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 991336)
From what I can gather the only person making any comment that may be construed as defamatory/libellous appears to be "TheFullTruth" as he/she is claiming these incidents happened to a relative of theirs. From out of nowhere they arrive, drop a bombshell then disappears back into the ether.

All other comments are highlighted as originating from other sources such as the local press & not the individual members who post. "warnings/advice" being uttered by Graham do seem to be a touch "intimidating" themselves & as such heighten peoples perspective of the earlier rumours.

Politics is a dirty little game at the best of times in my opinion & you should heed your own "wise words" Graham. Those being highlighted below as a reminder are your very own.

I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place.

Looks like buddy spends too much time with his lawyer, and not enough time listening to the concerns of his constituents.

Barrie Yates 13-05-2012 08:51

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Does lying to the public in general also come into the same category?

jaysay 13-05-2012 09:25

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Well at least he took the time to PM the threat of libel, which is more than he did on the vote on the European Union

Eric 14-05-2012 17:27

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 991370)
Does lying to the public in general also come into the same category?

Maybe not not exactly lying ... rather: "I always voted at my party's call, and I never thought of thinking for myself at all.";)

jaysay 14-05-2012 17:41

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 991667)
Maybe not not exactly lying ... rather: "I always voted at my party's call, and I never thought of thinking for myself at all.";)

Yoda Yoda Yoda:rolleyes::rolleyes:

maxthecollie 14-05-2012 17:47

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 991376)
Well at least he took the time to PM the threat of libel, which is more than he did on the vote on the European Union

Ditto

jaysay 14-05-2012 17:50

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 991671)
Ditto

Oh he loves you too then:rolleyes:You could just see it couldn't ya, My lud these two defendants in the dock Mr. Max the Collie and Mr Jaysay are guilty of spreading ear say on that infamous Accrington Web about my Client Mr Jones:D:D

Less 14-05-2012 18:19

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 991340)
Looks like buddy spends too much time with his lawyer, and not enough time listening to the concerns of his constituents.

I have a really witty retort for his veiled threat to we, the innocent members, unfortunately my Solicitor is still checking it for me and I can't ask my M.P.'s advice he's just not answering his 'phone, perhaps someone has upset him?
:D

Eric 14-05-2012 18:56

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 991690)
I have a really witty retort for his veiled threat to we, the innocent members, unfortunately my Solicitor is still checking it for me and I can't ask my M.P.'s advice he's just not answering his 'phone, perhaps someone has upset him?
:D

"Solicitor" ... love that term. Most Kingston solicitors hang out at the corner of Queen and Montreal ... our wonderful ladies of negotiable virtue.:rolleyes: All of them probably have more morals than your average politician, who has the morals of a vacuum cleaner. And that's the average.

Less 14-05-2012 19:14

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 991699)
"Solicitor" ... love that term. Most Kingston solicitors hang out at the corner of Queen and Montreal ... our wonderful ladies of negotiable virtue.:rolleyes: All of them probably have more morals than your average politician, who has the morals of a vacuum cleaner. And that's the average.

Well, the ladies of the night are the 'solicitor's' I was referring to (most trustworthy) always ready to give advice. They only screw you once

The legal sort I can't afford, they continue to screw you from the moment you give them your name, until you die and their performance is never as satisfying.

:o

Eric 14-05-2012 23:37

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 991703)
Well, the ladies of the night are the 'solicitor's' I was referring to (most trustworthy) always ready to give advice. They only screw you once

The legal sort I can't afford, they continue to screw you from the moment you give them your name, until you die and their performance is never as satisfying.

:o

When I consider how much my two divorces have cost:eek:, including legal costs, I think that I should have used the services of professionals earlier than I did. The young lady comes to your home or hotel room, drops her laundry etc ... and then you can go out and have fun with your friends.:theband: And, unlike politicians, they never renege on a deal. That gets us back on topic.;)

accyman 15-05-2012 01:02

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 991699)
"Solicitor" ... love that term. Most Kingston solicitors hang out at the corner of Queen and Montreal ... our wonderful ladies of negotiable virtue.:rolleyes: All of them probably have more morals than your average politician, who has the morals of a vacuum cleaner. And that's the average.

if you saw either type of solicitor you would end up geting screwed for money although i dont think your kind of solicitor accepts legal aid unless theres a cheri blair equivalent that does hard luck jobs.Hopefully beter looking mind :D

Eric 15-05-2012 03:02

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 991783)
if you saw either type of solicitor you would end up geting screwed for money although i dont think your kind of solicitor accepts legal aid unless theres a cheri blair equivalent that does hard luck jobs.Hopefully beter looking mind :D


For honesty and value for money, I'll take a whore before a politician anytime. If a working girl tells you it's going to cost a buck and a half ... that's what it costs. And Cheri ... I don't be thinking so ... she has a face that would stop a whole bunch of clocks ... Big Ben even:eek:

Here's an example: our tories told us in the last election campaign, that our new F-35 fighters would cost $10 billion. After the election, the Auditor General released documents showing that the cost is $15 billion ... a difference of $5 billion:eek: Now that's a hunk of change for the taxpayer to fork over. I think that politcians, when they go door to door, should hand out condoms ... if they are going to screw you anyway, you might as well be safe. No balloon, no party, eh:D

accyman 15-05-2012 05:46

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
they probably got the extra £5 billion from weighing in the navy's ships.Its ok changing back to teh plan of having jump jet type planes but what are they supposed to jump from?

DaveinGermany 15-05-2012 10:07

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 991788)
they probably got the extra £5 billion from weighing in the navy's ships.Its ok changing back to teh plan of having jump jet type planes but what are they supposed to jump from?

Of no concern mate, because the way things are going we won't need to defend anything as UK won't exist. We'll be a satellite of some major word conglomerate or other. :rolleyes: Mind you it'll also mean no politicos so not all bad, just some jobsworths to ensure our compliance with the directives, hang on a minute ...................... :eek:

jaysay 15-05-2012 10:20

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 991819)
Of no concern mate, because the way things are going we won't need to defend anything as UK won't exist. We'll be a satellite of some major word conglomerate or other. :rolleyes: Mind you it'll also mean no politicos so not all bad, just some jobsworths to ensure our compliance with the directives, hang on a minute ...................... :eek:

Come back Winston Smith all is forgiven:D

DaveinGermany 15-05-2012 11:31

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 991788)
Its ok changing back to teh plan of having jump jet type planes but what are they supposed to jump from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 991819)
Of no concern mate, because the way things are going we won't need to defend anything as UK won't exist. We'll be a satellite of some major word conglomerate or other. :rolleyes:

Either someones been rather foolish & not been concise enough with their wording or its started already "The European Union's naval force" :confused:

EU naval force carries out strikes on Somali pirates - World Politics - World - The Independent

accyman 15-05-2012 13:12

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
maybe cameron is taking tips from canada on how to build a navy ?

http://www.reallyghey.com/wp-content...nadas_Navy.jpg

Eric 15-05-2012 14:36

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 991819)
Of no concern mate, because the way things are going we won't need to defend anything as UK won't exist. We'll be a satellite of some major word conglomerate or other. :rolleyes: Mind you it'll also mean no politicos so not all bad, just some jobsworths to ensure our compliance with the directives, hang on a minute ...................... :eek:

Mmmm ... a "word conglomerate" ... under Jaysay's leadership:eek: ... my mind is boggling;)

DaveinGermany 15-05-2012 15:59

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 991894)
Mmmm ... a "word conglomerate" ... under Jaysay's leadership:eek: ... my mind is boggling;)

Yeeas, how old Jay will chuckle when he sees this. :o

jaysay 15-05-2012 17:49

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 991913)
Yes, how old Jay will chuckle when he sees this. :o

I would apart from the language, which ain't allowed on this site;)

garinda 16-05-2012 16:53

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
I think the answer to this question remains the same.

A big, fat NO!

Less 16-05-2012 16:59

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 992193)
I think the answer to this question remains the same.

A big, fat NO!

But, are you allowed to say that without a veiled threat of litigation coming your way?

(Even though he uses this thread, he who shall not be named hasn't answered your original question has he?).

Ken Moss 16-05-2012 17:00

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 992194)
But, are you allowed to say that without a veiled threat of litigation coming your way?

(Even though he uses this thread, he who shall not be named hasn't answered your original question has he?).

When has anyone been threatened with litigation?

garinda 16-05-2012 17:14

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 992196)
When has anyone been threatened with litigation?

What happened with the legal proceedings that were started against yourself?

When another local councillor claimed what you'd posted on here was lies.

Has that instance now been settled?

Less 16-05-2012 17:14

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 992194)
But, are you allowed to say that without a veiled threat of litigation coming your way?

(Even though he uses this thread, he who shall not be named hasn't answered your original question has he?).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Moss http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
When has anyone been threatened with litigation?



I mentioned a veiled threat, wish you could get, 'he who must not be named' to answer this thread as quick as you jumped on me.

No wonder I think a great deal less of you as each day passes.

Don't bother getting in touch with Lawyers, It isn't libel, it isn't slander, that is what I think, I take it even in your world I'm allowed to think?
:mad:

Ken Moss 16-05-2012 17:18

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 992199)
What happened with the legal proceedings that were started against yourself, when another local councillor claimed what you'd posted on here was lies?

Has the matter now been settled?

Yes, he got his money.

Then he got voted off the council.

Swings and roundabouts.

Ken Moss 16-05-2012 17:21

Re: Did Graham Jones do the right thing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 992200)
I mentioned a veiled threat, wish you could get, 'he who must not be named' to answer this thread as quick as you jumped on me.

No wonder I think a great deal less of you as each day passes.

Don't bother getting in touch with Lawyers, It isn't libel, it isn't slander, that is what I think, I take it even in your world I'm allowed to think?
:mad:

Unlike certain Conservative councillors, I have no intention of suing anyone for expressing an opinion.

I wish I could get my head around what it is you're actually trying to say, any chance of a reply in plain English?


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